posted July 11, 2014 08:07 PM            

Synastry wise with the guy I am dating:
His Nofretete conjunct my Amenhotep under 3
My Nefertiti quincunx His Amenhotep/Akhenaten 1
My Nofretete trine his Echnaton/Eros exact
My Amenhotep square his Nefertiti 2
My Akehenaten/Echnaton quintile his Nefertiti exact

My Eros/Psyche/Asc sextile his Nofretete
My Nefertiti opp His Sun/Psyche 1
His Echnaton quincunx my Moon 1

My Valentine conjunct his Echnaton
His Valentine sq my Nofretete

posted July 11, 2014 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by ilunatique:

About the past life in Egypt and Leo... Every sign shows a specific location of incarnation. A planet in that sign is a landmark - an incarnation in that place. Thanks to the degrees/minutes/seconds you can calculate the period of time (age/year) when you incarnated there. Its a very complicated calculation but I got my years . Based on what planet you have there and its aspects, you can find out if it was a rather troubled incarnation - see bad aspects, etc.
The first astrology book I found next to me and I know that it has the location based on signs:

ARIES : Prehistoric Africa, Germany, Antique Rome, Japan, Palestine, Arabia, hebrew tribes

[b]TAURUS : Babylon (+scorpio), old Egypt (+Leo and Scorpio) (4000-2000 before christ)!!!! - so any of you fellas with planet placements in Taurus/Leo/Scorpio, it can show a past life in the old Egypt - remembering my DNA in scorpio conjunct all those egyptian asteroids... hmm , Persia (+Scorpio), Katai (old china), Turkey (+Sagittarius)

GEMINI: Middle age France, Great Britain, Germany, USA, Canada (+Cancer), Belgium

CANCER: Africa, Algeria, China (+Libra), Scotland, Mexic-aztecs, maya etc. (+scorpio), hebrew communities (+scorpio), matriarchal civilizations like amazons (+Virgo), Mu or Lemuria (+Capricorn), Mongolia, old civilization of the Gobi desert, Pacific islands - Especially the easter island (+capricorn), Gaul.

LEO: Regal france, Italy, vikings (+pisces), Guyana, constructors of the pyramids, old mayans (+Scorpio), Romania before 1859

VIRGO: Brazil, Switzerland, in the axis with pisces we have incarnations in the era of pisces from Christ until our ages, existence in which the person defended the catholic church, or incarnations in which the person lived for a particular religion, India, USA, or he attended any crusade for a religious ideal

LIBRA: Republican france, Poland, Antique Greece (+Libra), some italian - artistic cities like Venice or Florence, Austria, South USA before the secession war, Australia (+Capricorn)

SCORPIO: Egypt (+Pisces), Lapland (+Capricorn), Tibet, Arab countries (+Sag), oriental incarnations.

SAGITTARIUS: Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Spain (+Taurus), Malta, Morocco, incarnations filled with travelling, adventures

CAPRICORN: England (+Aries), India, Philippines (+Cancer), incarnations in countries with a lot of mountains - Himalaya or the Andes

AQUARIUS: Atlantida (+Leo forming the axis of incarnations in this place), Scandinavia, Russia (+Scorpio), incarnations in the slavic breed (+scorpio), incarnations meanwhile revolutions - France or USA revolutions (+Leo in the axis), Romania

PISCES: Haiti, Senegal, incarnations at the beginning of the christian era in the middle ages, incarnations on islands (+cancer)

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WOW I am blown away by your response. Thank you for sharing all this with me!

I have moon in pisces in the 4th house which rules my 8th house in cancer and I was born in the dominican republic which shares an Island with Haiti.

Also I have DNA conjunct exact Saturn in scorpio and I have venus in leo at 23 degrees and mars in leo at 24 degrees, I also have karma in leo at 23 degrees. I have visited france and italy and had a dream of italy the other day actually. My venus/karma in the 9th inconjuncts my moon in pisces in the 4th so based on your information that would land me at a past life as a viking and old egypt bc of the scorpio and leo combo. Both my ex and my husband have leo and scorpio combo and I highly suspect I have a past life with them from egypt with both that I am working out karma from in this life specially considering my most significant past life dream is from Egypt.

I know my era is ancient egypt bc in the dream I dreamt of something similar to this:

I suspect my era is from Nefartiti. Can you help me calculate what era I am from???

Add: My ex has sun in scorpio and NN in Leo

posted July 12, 2014 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by ilunatique:
Tomorrow (in like 16 hours) - i dont know how time works here)), i'll analyze the chart of a very very close friend of mine which i know that is obsessed with egypt and horses (like me). First time she saw me and we were just strangers she legit jumped on me and was very attracted to my vibe I believe we have some past lifes together (i think her NN from leo is conjunct mine or her scorpio moon might trigger my cluster of DNA and egyptian asteroids from my MC). Knowing that she's quite the big egypt fan i find this quite interesting to try.
Then i'll also do a synastry with a karmic soulmate, which i obviously had past lifes with. His NN from scorpio might hit my cluster and his saturn from leo.. Hmm!
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Amelia, can i see your planets exact degree/minute/second? I want to calculate your incarnating years because it might help you out in your search

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That would be greatly appreciated. Its funny because this whole week my husband and I have been talking about Egypt and black horses...What is your knowledge on this?

Here is my chart:

posted July 12, 2014 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
I believe this was my Era as well with my:
Amenhotep conjunct my Sun/Jupiter
Akhenaten/Echnaton conjunct my IC/South node
Akhenaten/Echnaton conjunct Mercury

Synastry wise with the guy I am dating:
His Nofretete conjunct my Amenhotep under 3
My Nefertiti quincunx His Amenhotep/Akhenaten 1
My Nofretete trine his Echnaton/Eros exact
My Amenhotep square his Nefertiti 2
My Akehenaten/Echnaton quintile his Nefertiti exact

My Eros/Psyche/Asc sextile his Nofretete
My Nefertiti opp His Sun/Psyche 1
His Echnaton quincunx my Moon 1

My Valentine conjunct his Echnaton
His Valentine sq my Nofretete

His Amenhotep trine my Saturn
My Nefertiti trine his Saturn exact
His Nofretete conjunct my Jupiter
His Nofretete oppose my Saturn
His Nefertiti sq Saturn 2

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This one specially got my attention:

posted July 12, 2014 12:41 PM            

Here we go, from your first incarnations to your most recent ones

23 51' 45'' Venus in Leo was at 1163 before Christ
24 47' 13'' Mars in Leo was at 1107 before Christ.

It's obvious you can't have an incarnation so fast one after another in the same place, right? A conjunction is actually one single incarnation in which you have, perhaps, used both of the energies of the planets in the conjunction. By looking at the aspects you could find out or at least use your intuition and sense what you have done that time. I think I have a chart with what kind of incarnation you had - princess/soldier etc based on the planets somewhere. I have a similar close conjunction with Mars and Neptune and I have probably been a psychic around the 1845-1847 but I also have Uranus at 1855 all before christ . The planets could also be a stage in which your spirit has evolved in that kind of energy.

Anyways, back to your incarnations. I'll add Juno too because she's in Taurus, sign of Egypt. Juno could also be classified as a sort of lover incarnation.

5 24' 42' Juno in Taurus was at 23347 before Christ.

23 51' 45'' Venus in Leo was at 1163 before Christ
24 47' 13'' Mars in Leo was at 1107 before Christ.

17 13' 19'' Mercury in Virgo was at 24 before Christ

28 05' 04'' Sun in Virgo was at 359 after Christ.

28 13' 36'' Pluto in Libra was 1080 after Christ.
02 39' 00'' Saturn in Scorpio was 1154 after Christ.

5 14' 45'' Jupiter in Sagittarius was at 1547 after Christ.
5 41' 36'' Uranus in Sagittarius was at 1551 after Christ.

26 30' 40'' Neptune in Sagittarius was at 1699 after Christ.

21 4' 41'' Moon in Pisces was at 1940 after Christ (very close????, that's rare).

I also found the types of incarnations for every planet.

Moon - important women, queens (female leaders in general) etc
Mercury - intellectuals, thinkers, scientists, authors, mystics, magicians, alchemists etc
Venus - artists, musicians, poets, actors, lovers , courtesans etc
Mars - heroes, conquerors, warriors, explorers, tyrants, athletes, soldiers, etc
Jupiter - prophets, founders and leaders of religion, philosophers, psychologists, doctors etc
Saturn - mathematicians, thinkers, inventors, scientists, bankers etc
Uranus - intuitives, inventive scientists, revolutionaries, eccentrics etc
Neptune - mystics, mediums, romantics, idealists, dreamers etc
Pluto - warriors, dictators, violent leaders, criminals, politicians etc

posted July 12, 2014 02:10 PM            

Your description said originally " old Egypt (+Leo and Scorpio) (4000-2000 before christ)" but the figures you gave don't fall under this.

How do you reconcile the different eras is my question? Do you average it out? How could juno oppose saturn and each have complete different eras?

posted July 12, 2014 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Since karma conjuncts exact my venus and by one orb my mars I suppose the karma I have revolves around the 1100s BC but then there is juno opposite saturn conjunct DNA which confuses me bc juno you say is around 23,000 BC and saturn is After christ and then venus/mars are around 1100 BC so how do we put all this together? Are they all correct or do you have to get a median of sorts between all 4??.

Your description said originally " old Egypt (+Leo and Scorpio) (4000-2000 before christ)" but the figures you gave don't fall under this.

How do you reconcile the different eras is my question? Do you average it out? How could juno oppose saturn and each have complete different eras?

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I'll show you how the system works because I was not the one to build it so I don't have much of an idea on how it manages to turn out with these years, really.

Though I know that all the incarnations start in Aries and they're the oldest - the first, then by degrees you keep getting closer and closer to the birth of Christ. Aries/taurus/gemini/cancer/leo are ALWAYS BC. Virgo is the age when Christ was born. Looking in my degree chart, after 18 degrees virgo you incarnated after Christ. Then with every degree, you keep getting closer and closer to the this age we're now in. Hence Libra, Scorpio, Sagg, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces are after christ. This is why you see the big difference between an incarnation in the first ages of Taurus - in your case Juno at 23347 BC and a way older incarnation of Saturn in Scorpio was 1154 after Christ for example.

I personally have 25 51' 44' jupiter in aries at 28443 BC and my 12 01' 05' Saturn is at 20323 BC. You can see how you get closer and closer to the birth of Christ with every degree.

You have 5 24' 42' Juno in Taurus at 23347 BC. The difference from my saturn and your Juno in Taurus is quite obvious but they're still close.

Now, for the system. You can try it out yourself and see that you get the same calculus for any planet.
I have this huge chart with years for every degree.

You can see at 17 degrees virgo that it has a special symbol from my language : î after which means înainte (before Christ). Then you have at 18 degrees the year 10d which is după after Christ. so 10 after christ.

The tricky thing now... which I haven't managed to find out how it works quite well myself - i have a special Microsoft Xcel document chart which does the whole thing for a more exact year calculation.

For example you will want to calculate your 5 24' 42' Juno in Taurus.

You look in the anterior chart with the degrees and search for 5 degrees Taurus.
5 degrees taurus is associated with the year - 23545 BC.
You could say that you incarnated around that time, YES. - BUT IT'S NOT AN EXACT DEGREE IN YOUR CHART AND YOU WANT TO CALCULATE THE EXACT YEAR YOU INCARNATED, BY ADDING THE 24 MINUTE AND 42 SECOND YOU HAVE.

Here is the trickster, I use my xcel document here.
you have to look at 6 degrees Taurus (the next degree after you latest) and look for the year. 6 degrees taurus is 23059 BC.

You do the difference : 6 degrees - 5 degrees. You get the number 486.
Now you look at your minutes and seconds: 24 minutes and 42 seconds : 24.42 and somehow add them... I don't know how it works from here.
Here are some examples from my document

Like in your example: You put the incarnating year of your 5 degree Juno, then under you put the year of the next degree - 6. The program will automatically do the difference: 486. Then next to the difference you have to put your minutes and seconds - 24.42 and the system will automatically come up with the exact year of incarnation of your Juno at 5 24' 42'' degrees in Taurus - 23347 BC.

If you want, I can send you the document through email so you could test it out.

posted July 13, 2014 04:04 PM            

Akhenaton 17 01 Cancer cj Sun 16 02 and Mercury 18 04 Cancer
Sextiles ASC 17 59 Virgo and Saturn 19 50 Taurus
Squares Amor 16 22 Aries

Amenhotep 15 16 taurus op POF 13 34
Trine Tutenchamun 14 57 Virgo
Square Aten 16 08 leo
Sextiles Sun 16 02 cancer and Pallas 14 25 Pisces

Echnaton 8 27 cap op Giza 10 33 cancer
Square Chiron 10 21 Aries
Trine Alma 8 25 taurus and Vesta 8 56 Virgo

Nefertiti 12 05 Sag op Ramsey 10 42 Gemini
Square Moon 11 37 Virgo
Trine Anubis 10 44 Aries
Sextiles my name 13 39 Libra and Aigyptos 11 35 cap

posted July 13, 2014 04:37 PM            

Him to me...
Akhenaton 3 23 Scorpio
Opposes Parvati 4 28 Taurus
Sextiles SN 3 41 Virgo
Sextiles agapenor 3 50 Cap
qc karma 3 12 Gemini
Square Spirit 2 17 Leo
Semi-sextile Uranus 4 58 Libra

Echnaton 27 21 Virgo cj Pluto 24 58 Virgo
Sextile Neptune 28 24 Scorpio

Amenhotep 19 06 Pisces
Cj DSC 17 59 Pisces
Trine Sun 16 02 Cancer/Mercury 18 04 cancer
Sextile Saturn 19 50 Taurus

Nofretete 0 19 cap cj Valentine 0 38 Cap

Me to him...
Amenhotep 15 16 Taurus
Op Ptah 16 04 Scorp and Sphinx 13 37 Scorp
Trine Amor 14 09 Virgo and Mars 12 55 Virgo

Akhenaton 17 01 Cancer
Square Ramsey 19 10 Aries
Trine Ptah 16 04 Scorp
Sextiles my name 18 29, Akashi 18 35, BML 18 50 Virgo

Echnaton 8 27 Cap
Trine Jupiter 10 15 Virgo and Chiron 9 25 Taurus
Square Osiris 7 13 Aries, destinn 7 58 Libra, Moon 10 44 Aries, Horus 7 10 Libra
Sextile Aten 9 26 Scorpio, Giza 9 41 Pisces, Lust 9 07 Scorp, Angel 8 44 Scorpio
qc Isis 7 59 Gemini

Nofretete 16 12 Aqua
Op Wisdom 17 33 Leo
Square Ptah 16 04 Scorp

Some of our other Egyptian aspects, using only conjunctions and oppositions...

Osiris 7 13 Aries op Isis 8 47 Libra
Horus 7 10 Libra cj Isis 8 47 Libra
Destinn 7 58 Libra cj isis 8 47 Libra
Sekhmet 11 05 Aqua cj Ptah 9 36 Ptah
Sekhmet 11 05 Aqua cj Lust 9 33 Aqua
Hathor 21 pisces cj Sphinx 21 27 pisces
Kleopatra 12 43 Cap cj Aigyptos 11 35 cap
Aten 9 26 Scorpio op Alma 8 25 Taurus
Amor 14 09 Virgo cj Tutenchamun 14 57 Virgo
Alma 1 29 Cancer op Kleopatra 0 24 Cap
Pluto 21 31 Libra cj osiris 23 56 Libra
Moon 10 44 Aries op Isis 8 47 Libra
Moon 10 44 Aries cj Anubis 10 44 Aries (this is a t-square with Giza 10 33 Cancer and Aigyptos 11 35 Cap)
Mars 12 55 Virgo cj Tutenchamun 14 57 Virgo
Imhotep 24 27 Leo cj Venus 25 33 Leo
Imhotep 24 27 leo cj BML 23 43 Leo
Giza 9 41 Pisces op Moon 11 37 Virgo
Nephthys 23 08 Aqua op BML 23 43 Leo
Nephthys 23 08 Aqua op DNA 23 30 Leo
Giza 9 41 pisces cj Angel 9 48 pisces

posted July 13, 2014 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
Wow!, you have the Sun CONJ Horus aspect.
You are the 2nd person I've found (in LL) with that conj. (Well, I haven't been very active here, I guess there are more around).
And the 3rd if I count the dude who has the ASC/Horus conjunction.

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posted July 13, 2014 11:23 PM            

From what book was this? I vaguely recall the theory back in the '90s. It was useful until I gained a different understanding of time. For me, at least, most of my incarnations have been concurrent or extraterrestrial.

posted July 13, 2014 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by ilunatique:
It's obvious you can't have an incarnation so fast one after another in the same place, right?

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Ah, see, that's where the theory fell flat for me as well. It was becoming obvious that many incarnations were overlapping, or occurring simultaneously.

I've yet to find a system which accounts for the nonlinear nature of time. But the chart you've posted is useful in terms of contemplating which sorts of incarnations we've had. I just discovered a long time ago it's not that cut-and-dried; like you, I wanted an ordered system.

posted July 14, 2014 08:15 AM            

Moon with asteroids Amenhotep, Tutankhamun and Selket

Lol, i think it's a bit far to say anyone born when a planet was aligned with an asteroid named after an Egyptian Deity had a past life in egypt ?

Do you understand ancient Egypt much?

Psychologically and Spiritually the asteroids to seem to give the characteristics and physical features of the deity they are named after, which is very interesting it would be cool to know how rocks floating through space do this haha

posted July 14, 2014 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Luna,

From what book was this? I vaguely recall the theory back in the '90s. It was useful until I gained a different understanding of time. For me, at least, most of my incarnations have been concurrent or extraterrestrial.

But I recall liking a similar theory when I was your age. (Or roughly; it was around 1995.)

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posted September 13, 2014 10:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Akhenaten 8.9'35" Leo, a degree 17' or so from 6.53'21" ASC.

Echnaton 27.35 Gemini sextile the Leo Tutenchamun-Sun.

Tutenchamun is Cazimi so Akhenaten the father with the ASC gets interesting sooner or later, anyway.

29.15' Libra Uranus sext Sun, Aquarius DC...

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As this conjunction has an orb smaller than 1º, I'd take this aspect as relevant. Tutankhamun (aka Tutanchamun) had a very peculiar life. He wasn't born as Tutankhamun, He was named TutankhATEN which means living image of Aten . Hence, he was meant to follow the path of his father and to follow his will, but he didn't and changed his name to TatankhAMUN. He succumbed to external pressure because he was very young or maybe He decided to follow the worship to Amun on his own, we don't know. But the truth is that this is the typical story that tell us about father and son, and for 'X' reason the son rejects the will of his father.

As this father-son pattern is certainly present in your natal, you should ask yourself how many things do you share in common with your father and in which context, as this is a very complex-philosophical question, you should be very careful.

Are you becoming like your father? or Do you follow your own will? or, Are you predisponed to follow the will of external influences?

Many questions about believings, religion, spiritualism and also the seek of TRUTH are present in those who have prominent influence of Akhenaten/Tutankhamun - Aten/Amun in their natals. Which path is rigth and which one is wrong? Such complex questions, in these cases is better to learn from the past and also from the experience.
As you can see, many people here have been kind enough to share their charts and It's easy to notice some very positive karmic rewards.

~ I have to say this topic looks like a mutable party

Ok, some of these charts are somehow supporting my theory about ATEN/AMUN, because it looks like in fact, worshippers of ATEN have earned some 'little gifts' as reward from that period of time. But easy, what I'm saying it's not a fact, its just a small percentaje of the truth that may increase or not.

A couple of days I posted something more about this theory here, in While the Soul Slumbers.

But I'd want to keep things even more simple than what I've already posted there, because It's very delicate to make such affirmations.

*AMUN give us a 7
*SUN give us a 5
*ATEN give us a 6
*and MONOTHEISM give us a 9
(Here, monotheism doesn't mean 'I want YOU to worship ONLY MY god', because chaldean doesn't deal with mundane passions. In this case the word monotheism just as number 9, takes a more universal meaning. And if we try to cheat and instead of monotheism we ask monotheIST we get the same result, a number 9).

As simple as that.

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Originally posted by Keela:
29.15' Libra Uranus sext Sun, Aquarius DC...

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That's also one of the degrees of the Hopi and other 'ethnic groups', along with 29º Aqua and 29º Sag.
So, if you eventually read this, Keela. You may tell us how much are you involved in Hopi culture and the other 'guardian groups'.

~ I hope this is useful.

posted September 13, 2014 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Awwww

I love, that image!

BTW my asteroid KARMA is on 16.01 Gemini conjunct Rigel by 0°28 in my chart.

I even have the constellation of Orion on my start page at facebook, just because as long as I can remember I was looking up at the sky around my birthday and there would be those 3 stars (the belt) and the other ones as well, especially RIgel, and I felt, I don´t know, safe, protected. It was an odd feeling, but it gave me a sense of home and rightness.

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Oh and I cannot see the exact degree of your Sun in the chart, picture is a bit small or just packed with objects (or maybe I'm just getting a case of short-sightedness). In any case, I think it's very close if not exact to 21º, the other option is that your Sun is exactly over 25-26º.

The feeling you described, to me is beyond the word interesting, and I'll tell you why. ( Hmmm... I think I can write a HUGE wall of text about this...)
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( A big Parentheses here / maybe it's even a bit off-topic )

Some months ago, here in LL. I remember there was an active user named 'Taineberry'. This user indirectly taught me something very important: The relevance of non-solid celestial objects in the natal chart.
If we ask about 'what a non-solid celestial object is' the answer may be a bit obvious: Nebulas - And since that day, I've been researching dozens of charts about them. Especially M57 - aka Messier 57, the Ring Nebula (Lyra)(20º Capricorn), also M45, NGC 6514, M42, etc.
The user named Taineberry has offered A LOT to the Reference Library, sadly I guess that person is no longer an active user so, It looks like we can't thank him/her for the extense labor.

But certainly, I have to say that I respectfully disagree with some of Taineberry's points in the reference thread. Because, along the topic the user expounded:

1)Messier 57 has 'special significance for ALL Starseeds and Cosmic Wanderers and many other entities'
2) "The reason why this beautiful nebula is so special is because it is the physical remnants of a super nova explosion of the Lyran homeland which, in galactic myth, WAS the original location for ALL Humanoid Races before it was destroyed" - "An inevitable diaspora ocurred to new planets such as those civilizations located in the Pleiades, Andromeda, Casseopia, Sirius amongst many others".

Like if Lyran Nebula was the only possible origin for ANY other Humanoid Race.
Notice that statement nº 2 starts with a "In galactic myth" which I find it dogmatic and also indoctrinative. Hence, UNNECESSARY IN A REFERENCE THREAD, IF those statements were in any other forum section, I wouldn't say anything. Sadly, I can't agree with any dogmatic statement even if it comes from a helpful person.

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To continue with my wall-texting, I'm going to write about another very interesting celestial object and some things I've found so far about it, I mean: Messier 42.

~ Messier 42 is no other than:

Ensis, Orion's Sword - The Great Orion Nebula
21º42' Gemini

( And it's waaaaaayyyyyyyyy more beautiful than Lyran Ring )
( Hahah! *cough* *cough* LOL!
Haha! ok!, that was unnecessary too, I don't really mean it. )

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~ Almost 2 years have passed since I left Düsseldorf holding hands with hubby. Since then, things have been crazy and very adventurous.
I visited Armenia for a couple of months, but then we left and arrived here so, 'here' we are, in Cuzco - Peru.
But, "what does a French girl, rised in Düsseldorf have to do in Peru'? I don't buy it"

Sometimes I think about it too... but yeah, I'm here, teaching Pilates and stuff.
Well, what can I say? I learned a lot of things here, and it's been fun. I can't deny it.

~ Here, ATEN is called INTI
~ Main deity here was Viracocha.
~ Many people here theorizes Viracocha and Amun are the same being.
~ Another group of people believes Viracocha is Enki from the Sumerian mythology.
~ A reduced number of people believes Viracocha is Yahweh, Allah or Jehovah.
~ He came out of the Sea, floating in a shinning disc brighter than a thousand Suns (????)
~ In some period of time, worshippers of Viracocha rivalized worshippers of INTI.
~ Both, INTI and Viracocha have number 2! in chaldean numerology (???????)
~ This is one of the few countries where you can find the Last-Name "Vega", also lots of names have "L","Y". Sometimes you don't even need Lexxigraming to read "Vega,Lyra" in their names. (Taineberry would find this interesting)

Important:

~ Lots of Shamans here, they deal with elementals with much respect, many of these Shamans have highly strong code morals.
~ Almost all of them, know what an "Astral Map" is (they don't call it natal chart)
~ Shamans told me they can "see" Viracocha and describe it as a extremely pale being. (My theory is that they use the word 'see' when they mean visualization practices).
~ Shamans think their race has been tricked twice by pale "gods", first time by Viracocha, a second time by Spaniards who called themselves gods.
~ In 'the beginning of time', their race DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO LIE, OR WHAT A LIE IS (???????), that's why they got tricked according to them.

Even more relevant:

~ 70-80% (24 I visited so far) of Shamans have intense aspects in 15º,20º Capricorn - 21º Gemini - 29º Leo, trines and squares to Atlantis.
~ Strange behavior in some natives, some of them are very small 1.60m - 5.3ft but with white skin (???) They keep watching at orion's belt during night for about 1-2 hours.
~ I asked one of them, Why do you keep watching those three stars at night?:
Answer: He has family and close friends but still feels lonely, stars give peace and joy. This little Friend has Draconic Sun at 21º42' - Orion Nebula

~ A tanned and very tall native was watching the the Orion belt [28/08/14]. I asked why again.
Answer: She feels she doesn't exists and wants to be remembered. (?????)
Venus and Alma conjunct fixed star Bellatrix (gamma Orioni) very close to M42.

~ Large group, Non-natives but common people, some of them even wealthy (white race), but still keep watching the orion belt for some minutes.
Answer: "It looks beautiful" - and again, "it gives peace".

Notable aspects, ASC, Sun, Aura and DNA close to 21º42' Gemini,Orion Nebula or GC (if not conjunct), none of them had SGC or GA aspects.
Small percentaje, prominent Regulus/Vega.
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This pretty much may explain the feelings described by Ceridwen, (or maybe not).
Ethereal feelings = not necessarily fixed stars = nebulas = non-solid celestial objects(???)

~ In any case, the task continues!

posted September 13, 2014 11:47 PM            

Not my style to talk about others, while hidding behind a monitor. So I'm gonna leave one here.
- I often use 3%,5% orbfacts, it's because I like number 3 and 5 (lol), but orb 15% looks quite nice!

I can't find the chart with the Akhenaten/Aten related asteroids!! Sorry!! It must be somewhere in this hard drive, but as soon as I find it, I'll edit this post.
I already have enough charts about myself to make more.
( The problem is to find them )

posted September 14, 2014 05:47 AM            

-echnaton is directly opposite Osiris/karma conjunction,
-Amenhotep is conjunct Saturn/imhotep/samadhi square my Atlantis/Giza conjunction to GC and is exactly in opposition to chiron/Nefertiti/spirit/DNA conjunction.

And I have akhenaton on Regulus conjunct Arabia and some others.

posted September 14, 2014 06:56 AM              

What do they suggest?

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posted September 14, 2014 11:00 AM            

I adored Nefertiti when in school and even daydreamed about being her!

Re the Sirius connection I have it conj Mars and Isis. Havent looked up Horus or the Pharaohs to see the connections yet but I do know Horus it's not conj my Sun from past searches (cant remember where he is tho)

posted September 14, 2014 03:00 PM              

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
Oh and I cannot see the exact degree of your Sun in the chart, picture is a bit small or just packed with objects (or maybe I'm just getting a case of short-sightedness). In any case, I think it's very close if not exact to 21º, the other option is that your Sun is exactly over 25-26º.

The feeling you described, to me is beyond the word interesting, and I'll tell you why. ( Hmmm... I think I can write a HUGE wall of text about this...)
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( A big Parentheses here / maybe it's even a bit off-topic )

Some months ago, here in LL. I remember there was an active user named 'Taineberry'. This user indirectly taught me something very important: The relevance of non-solid celestial objects in the natal chart.
If we ask about 'what a non-solid celestial object is' the answer may be a bit obvious: Nebulas - And since that day, I've been researching dozens of charts about them. Especially M57 - aka Messier 57, the Ring Nebula (Lyra)(20º Capricorn), also M45, NGC 6514, M42, etc.
The user named Taineberry has offered A LOT to the Reference Library, sadly I guess that person is no longer an active user so, It looks like we can't thank him/her for the extense labor.

But certainly, I have to say that [b]I respectfully disagree with some of Taineberry's points in the reference thread. Because, along the topic the user expounded:

1)Messier 57 has 'special significance for ALL Starseeds and Cosmic Wanderers and many other entities'
2) "The reason why this beautiful nebula is so special is because it is the physical remnants of a super nova explosion of the Lyran homeland which, in galactic myth, WAS the original location for ALL Humanoid Races before it was destroyed" - "An inevitable diaspora ocurred to new planets such as those civilizations located in the Pleiades, Andromeda, Casseopia, Sirius amongst many others".

Like if Lyran Nebula was the only possible origin for ANY other Humanoid Race.
Notice that statement nº 2 starts with a "In galactic myth" which I find it dogmatic and also indoctrinative. Hence, UNNECESSARY IN A REFERENCE THREAD, IF those statements were in any other forum section, I wouldn't say anything. Sadly, I can't agree with any dogmatic statement even if it comes from a helpful person.

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To continue with my wall-texting, I'm going to write about another very interesting celestial object and some things I've found so far about it, I mean: Messier 42.

~ Messier 42 is no other than:

Ensis, Orion's Sword - The Great Orion Nebula
21º42' Gemini

( And it's waaaaaayyyyyyyyy more beautiful than Lyran Ring )
( Hahah! *cough* *cough* LOL!
Haha! ok!, that was unnecessary too, I don't really mean it. )

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~ Almost 2 years have passed since I left Düsseldorf holding hands with hubby. Since then, things have been crazy and very adventurous.
I visited Armenia for a couple of months, but then we left and arrived here so, 'here' we are, in Cuzco - Peru.
But, "what does a French girl, rised in Düsseldorf have to do in Peru'? I don't buy it"

Sometimes I think about it too... but yeah, I'm here, teaching Pilates and stuff.
Well, what can I say? I learned a lot of things here, and it's been fun. I can't deny it.

~ Here, ATEN is called INTI
~ Main deity here was Viracocha.
~ Many people here theorizes Viracocha and Amun are the same being.
~ Another group of people believes Viracocha is Enki from the Sumerian mythology.
~ A reduced number of people believes Viracocha is Yahweh, Allah or Jehovah.
~ He came out of the Sea, floating in a shinning disc brighter than a thousand Suns (????)
~ In some period of time, worshippers of Viracocha rivalized worshippers of INTI.
~ Both, INTI and Viracocha have number 2! in chaldean numerology (???????)
~ This is one of the few countries where you can find the Last-Name "Vega", also lots of names have "L","Y". Sometimes you don't even need Lexxigraming to read "Vega,Lyra" in their names. (Taineberry would find this interesting)

Important:

~ Lots of Shamans here, they deal with elementals with much respect, many of these Shamans have highly strong code morals.
~ Almost all of them, know what an "Astral Map" is (they don't call it natal chart)
~ Shamans told me they can "see" Viracocha and describe it as a extremely pale being. (My theory is that they use the word 'see' when they mean visualization practices).
~ Shamans think their race has been tricked twice by pale "gods", first time by Viracocha, a second time by Spaniards who called themselves gods.
~ In 'the beginning of time', their race DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO LIE, OR WHAT A LIE IS (???????), that's why they got tricked according to them.

Even more relevant:

~ 70-80% (24 I visited so far) of Shamans have intense aspects in 15º,20º Capricorn - 21º Gemini - 29º Leo, trines and squares to Atlantis.
~ Strange behavior in some natives, some of them are very small 1.60m - 5.3ft but with white skin (???) They keep watching at orion's belt during night for about 1-2 hours.
~ I asked one of them, Why do you keep watching those three stars at night?:
Answer: He has family and close friends but still feels lonely, stars give peace and joy. This little Friend has Draconic Sun at 21º42' - Orion Nebula

~ A tanned and very tall native was watching the the Orion belt [28/08/14]. I asked why again.
Answer: She feels she doesn't exists and wants to be remembered. (?????)
Venus and Alma conjunct fixed star Bellatrix (gamma Orioni) very close to M42.

~ Large group, Non-natives but common people, some of them even wealthy (white race), but still keep watching the orion belt for some minutes.
Answer: "It looks beautiful" - and again, "it gives peace".

Notable aspects, ASC, Sun, Aura and DNA close to 21º42' Gemini,Orion Nebula or GC (if not conjunct), none of them had SGC or GA aspects.
Small percentaje, prominent Regulus/Vega.
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This pretty much may explain the feelings described by Ceridwen, (or maybe not).
Ethereal feelings = not necessarily fixed stars = nebulas = non-solid celestial objects(???)

~ In any case, the task continues!

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that is VERY interesting.

And funnily I was looking up Ensis just last week, stumbled over it for the first time, though of course I had the bigger stars memorized.

my Sun is on 25.56 Sagittarius btw.
I do not have any planet on 21 Gemini.

however my helio KARMA is on 20.20 Gemini, near to 21 Gemini.
And as I said tropical KARMA is on 16 Gemini, on RIGEL.

posted September 14, 2014 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
"Originally posted by Keela:
Akhenaten 8.9'35" Leo, a degree 17' or so from 6.53'21" ASC."

I think I got a bit lost, my friend. Apologies. But if I'm not wrong:
- You have Sun conj Tutanchamun and ASC conj Akhenaten. Right?
If so, here's some info that may interest you.
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As this conjunction has an orb smaller than 1º, I'd take this aspect as relevant. Tutankhamun (aka Tutanchamun) had a very peculiar life. He wasn't born as Tutankhamun, He was named TutankhATEN which means living image of Aten . Hence, he was meant to follow the path of his father and to follow his will, but he didn't and changed his name to TutankhAMUN. He succumbed to external pressure because he was very young or maybe He decided to follow the worship to Amun on his own, we don't know. But the truth is that this is the typical story that tell us about father and son, and for 'X' reason the son rejects the will of his father.

As this father-son pattern is certainly present in your natal, you should ask yourself how many things do you share in common with your father and in which context, as this is a very complex-philosophical question, you should be very careful.

Are you becoming like your father? or Do you follow your own will? or, Are you predisponed to follow the will of external influences?

Many questions about believings, religion, spiritualism and also the seek of TRUTH are present in those who have prominent influence of Akhenaten/Tutankhamun - Aten/Amun in their natals. Which path is right and which one is wrong? Such complex questions, in these cases is better to learn from the past and also from the experience.
...It's easy to notice some very positive karmic rewards.

"Originally posted by Keela:
29.15' Libra Uranus sext Sun, Aquarius DC..."

Special mention to that one, what a 'coincidence'...
Uranus deals with many philoshophical ideas about universal brotherhood, alien disclosure and the lack of materialism, It's an humanistic nature.
And it's fallen in one of the most philosophical degrees if not the most, as sabian says

That's also one of the degrees of the Hopi and other 'ethnic groups', along with 29º Aqua and 29º Sag.
So, if you eventually read this, Keela. You may tell us how much are you involved in Hopi culture and the other 'guardian groups'.

~ I hope this is useful.

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Bleugh discussing the actual out there paternal person. I'd gladly say I have nothing in common with him, but he had more share in whatever my intellectual capabilities (perhaps even some interests) were with his at least reading the newspaper and more or less keeping up with things. Also the fact that he got a telescope at some stage (for what I don't quite know, since he never seemed interested in astronomy when I was young) and appreciated some articles in the science-focused magazine I ferried over when I was working in magazine sales. So I can't deny that he wouldn't have whatever interest in something of merit.

It's more that we're either too similar to get along or that there are other sorts of clashes for us to particularly get along. And by similar I mean by personality, or my not accepting his word as some sort of a law even when outwardly complying to whatever orders given when living in the same house back in the day. You can tell me all sorts of things and I can seemingly comply, but it doesn't mean I'm actually doing anything I'm told to when not watched directly and thus having to because of fear of punishment or whatever. I get back to doing things the way I want to the moment the direct threat isn't over my head or neck, however you want to put it.

So whether you want to put that effect down to my personal chart having Akhenaten-Tutenchamun or actual synastry between a double Leo and what I think was a quadruple Aries with a Sun square his ASC-Mars-Saturn in Cancer, that's your thing. Your questions of becoming like a person seen as a materialist with zero scope for anything whatsoever spiritual (all the way to his at the funeral of the mother of the family saying he didn't believe there was anything other than sky "up there") are aimed at the wrong person and seem a mile off, that is. There is a time and a place for someone to spout their atheist or materialist beliefs, or lack of any, and a funeral is definitely not one, instead of being in extremely bad taste and causing wrinkled noses and something toward disgust at my end.

I can see why a quadruple Aries might have strong ideas or a will, clashing with others or not, and I can see why a person with their Mars-Saturn on the Cancer Ascendant would lean toward materialism and thinking that working hard is the best thing ever ("Don't you want a car like that?" not being a question that I really gave a s**t about, but something I was asked in teens already). More or less. It doesn't mean that I particularly want anything to do with either side if able to avoid it.

So if you're implying that I need to be very careful to not become like him, given the circumstances my reaction gets a little hostile. Same for my doing what the world does on the whole, my rarely having done the "done thing" or walked the path that most people seem to have. Whatever people think of the movie League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I always appreciated Captain Nemo's "I walk a different path" quote from it.

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I'm aware of the Sabian for my Uranus, yes, and have asteroid Philosophia conjunct Kaali at 8 Virgo, should you subscribe to IQ's ideas about Kaali emphasizing an influence of anything it touches. I also have asteroid Plato at 29 Libra with Uranus, and Descartes conjunct DNA at 5 Scorpio. I think my Socrates was at 3 Cancer, my East Point at 2.36 Cancer (square MC, of course), or then at 5 Cancer conjunct Grandprism, I forget just now. I know I had quite a few philosophers in significant spots.

IQ at one stage pointed out that my 28 Taurus Hopi is conjunct the Pleiades, where the Hopi people say they come from. My SN is 26.09 Tau so it's a bit wide from that. Hopi is also square my Sun and inconjunct Uranus. At the same time IQ also noted I have asteroid China conj my Ascendant (8 Leo like Akhenaten) and Laotse at 7 Virgo under 30' from my Venus, suggesting something about spiritual purposes or missions, I forget what now.

Yes, that's Venus/Laotse/Kaali-Philosophia between 6.57-8 something Virgo. There is loads else as well, but if Laotse adds to philosophical sides, pointing that out.

Through the Sedona-thread I discovered I have asteroid Sedona at 26 Sag conj the Galactic centre. "Apache Station" at 28 Aries conj Chiron, trine Sun; Navajo at 16 Libra. Ute at 1 Libra from what I recall, so that ones conjuncts the SGC and my IC in turn.

Where did you read or hear that 29 Libra, Sag and Aqua are degrees of the Hopi? I would have thought 29 Taurus more so with the Pleiades.

What groups or people do you mean with the "guardian groups" mention? Other Native American tribes, or other native people anywhere, or something else?

I come from a country where people are still said to retain more of a connection to nature than in many other places, and back in the 1800s the Native Americans apparently found my nation's immigrants somewhat noteworthy or different from the others because we/they weren't afraid to go in the woods or the forests like other white people. People from my country were used to picking berries and mushrooms or hunting and the sort. Of course this is what we hear in this country, so I'm not sure if there's a bit of idealism mixed in at this end this century now.

I'm pretty much a city-dweller, but that is what runs in the blood or comes with the country. We had shamans or wise men (and women) here back in the day, saunas instead of sweatlodges, this and that, but I knew nothing about the Hopi until in my adult years. The main astrological contact in any major spot might be asteroid Aotearoa on my Sun, if the Maori name for New Zealand qualifies me for some influence on that side. I wouldn't know since I don't live on that side of the world either.

I come from old land, sure, living in one of the earlier places that surfaced after the Ice Age, I guess, and the "blood" or lineage can be traced in this region to the 1600s, but that's nothing in the long view really. I gather that most people here don't much think about whether the land is old or not, or of the Iron Age or Viking age 1000-year-old burial place of a hill nearby, but then I don't know if awareness of such things makes me one thing or another either. 400 years, a thousand years or the ten thousand years from the Ice Age, not sure it makes much difference, but no, most people don't think about how old the region is either. They certainly don't think about what (=the long dead) they're walking on when on the hill that was used for burials back those thousand years ago, or that it was sacred or hallow ground to some locals at least at some stage.

I don't know how immediately useful your comments are now, but I'll let them brew and see what else you say of this, so maybe something clicks later.

If I'm involved in "guardian groups" or with the Hopi, I don't consciously know about it. So, what are some of the guardian groups you mention?

Editing to add that however yes, also know that the Sabians for at least my SN and Saturn tie to the Native American theme likewise. The antiscion of my Ascendant also has a Native theme, but it's only the antiscia instead of the actual one.

SN, 26-27 deg Taurus
An Old Indian Woman Selling The Artifacts Of Her Tribe To Passerby

Saturn, 27-28 deg Cancer
An Indian Girl Introduces Her White Lover To Her Assembled Tribe

posted September 15, 2014 04:15 PM            

Thank you, everything seems more clear to me now.
Rigel's direct transcription from Egyptian texts is "Toe-star".
But we know it as Rigel, which comes from Arabic: Riǧl Ǧawza al-Yusra, “Left foot of the Central one.”
Both meanings tell us about a foot-star that leads the way for new journeys (or new ways of thinking?), it fits it well I'd say.
As you know, sabian for 16º Gem is an Activist symbol.
When the previous one is a symbol about debate and objetivity.
I think is not necessary to make this reply more extense mentioning Ptolomy or Robson.
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I think I may need your help/advice now

Ms Ceridwen, are you experienced with Heliocentric charts?
I'm asking you about this because some people here in Peru have strange Helios. In some cases, the Heliocentric has a Grand Cross(major planets) but the natal only has a couple of Squares. A very similar but opposite case is when I see very nice natal charts. But the Helio is way more afflicted.
- Do you have any meaning, fact or theory about this?

Thank you.