posted September 15, 2014 04:16 PM            

Thank you for your extense and kind response. It was very useful.
I have to say that I'd like to remark some points, just in case.
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• All of those questions I've written before should be asked: From yourself ==> To yourself.
( I should have said it!, Apologies )
Because it's only your decition about what to do or which way things should be done. It wasn't my intention to give you, pre-conceptions. If I wasn't clear enough, forgive me.

• For what I'm readig. I'm not sure if I totally failed or I clicked.

• As you know, when a person shares same Sun and same ASC, the differences with paternal figure shouldn't be too many.

• But that's when asteroids as the 'father-son' ones play the role. Especially if both asteroids have a 'different charge (polarity). But again, I'm not making any affirmation about who's right or wrong.
The answer is in yourself.

• But I have to say I find a certain affinity with your point of view, instead of your father's.
It's a very special case, just as your are.

• Thanks for your honesty.

• I didn't say 29º Aqua and Sag are for the Hopi culture, just 29º Libra.

-How do I know about this. Well, to tell that I'd have to make such an extense writting. And I don't think it's really necessary to do it again, despite the fact Today is Monday and I don't have plenty of time.

• Ethnic groups are very important from what I've learned. Activities as 'grounding, visualization and astrology(also astronomy)' are always present in them. They just have a different name.

• All I've got to say for now.
I'd like to give response for other aspects posted in this thread. But I'm asking myself if I really have time to do so.
I'm broke and sadly I have to earn more of the 'False God' again, to start a new travel.

- This world is very enslaving, you know...
Even when you are not literally one.

posted September 16, 2014 07:55 AM              

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Ms Ceridwen, are you experienced with Heliocentric charts?

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Just a tiny little bit, still in the process of figuring them out myself.

Well, Blashke likened them to the Christ Consciousness and Higher Self saying that only the good aspects count, or every aspect somehow transforms to the highest level.

Might be true, but I don´t think this works like a magic wand.

It seems most astrologers agree on it being a chart of the "spirit", as that is what the Sun represents.

However what is being defined as "spirit" can be very different for everyone, especially in esoteric groups.

As of now I tentatively see it as this:

The Sun represents what "is" in our chart, it is our essence, our motor. The problem is we can`t quite grasp that meaning. All the othr planets "do" something, Venus loves and attracts, Mars desires and fights, Saturn constricts, Jupiter expands, Uranus shakes up, Mercury communicates, even Moon does something, mainly reflecting the light of the sun.

But the sun itself?
It just simply "is". How to put that into words?
I can`t really.

Well, as I see it is a bit like the image of a lamp.
The Sun and consequently the heliocentric chart is the light that is shining through the lampshade, which is the geocentric perspective. Possibly the geocentric is also the dimension that gives the energy of the heliocentric, that pure essential energy permeating everything, a shape, a way to manifest, of course according to the geocentric.
But even if it seems to modify the expression of the helio in terms of the geo, the heliocentric is still there shining through from our core.

An example:
My helio Mars is in Scorpio, my geo Mars is in Sagittarius.

My Mars expresses itself more or less in SAgittarian ways, opinionated, for sure, but usually rather open and tolerant, but don`t get mistaken, underneath it, at the core of that Mars, is a steely determination that might not be that obvious when you just see the geo perspective.

Another view to see it is this, in our geo chart we look from the perspective of earth, while we are still a part of earth, so our perception is shaped by our earthly experiences naturally. We are part of the system.

However, if we cast a chart from the helio perspective, thta changes.
We are of course still located on earth, as individual people, but the chart is from the perspective of the Sun, so the location of observer (Sun) and observed (Earth) is no longer the same, hence it is like someone views us from outside our earthly confinements/ system. Maybe even more objectively.

I know Erlewine wrote a lot about it, too. He calls it the Dharma chart.

Anyway, now I do think that strong patterns in the helio chart will be very significant, like they are in the geo chart, but would not interprete them as neccessarily a bad thing, just dynamic. in the case of the Grand cross stable dynamic.

I do not have a Grand Cross, but I do have a T-square of

Earth on 26 Gemini
Mercury on 23 Sagittarius
Jupiter on 22 Pisces

This mix of Earth-Mercury-Jupiter, esp. the latter two certainly fits my personality, my interests, the way I operate at least on a mental-spiritual level quite well.

posted September 16, 2014 09:28 AM              

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

You can bow now

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posted September 16, 2014 12:02 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Echnaton conjunct Moon
sextile Akhenaten 0
Nefertiti conjunct Jupiter
sextile Amenhotep
You can bow now

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why would a queen bow?

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LOL hahaha

posted September 16, 2014 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
btw speaking of egyptian asteroids and the helio chart, this is mine:

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posted September 16, 2014 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Echnaton conjunct Moon
sextile Akhenaten 0
Nefertiti conjunct Jupiter
sextile Amenhotep

You can bow now

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*Bows saluting*
Thanks for taking part in this thread, and for sharing some aspects!.

posted September 16, 2014 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen
Another view to see it is this, in our geo chart we look from the perspective of earth, while we are still a part of earth, so our perception is shaped by our earthly experiences naturally. We are part of the system.

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I agree, sensible point of view and it has helped me to re-affirm many of the opinions I have about Heliocentric charts:

• In Geocentric charts, is the Sun which "travels" around Earth.
• In this condition the Star is binded to a Human incarnation.

• Notice that I changed the word Sun by Star, because for human incarnations, the majority of times "this star" is called Sun. It has a name, a name given by a Human Mind.

When we Incarnate, we adopt a new name and become a 'Sun', a Sun sign.

Akhenaten
Nefertiti
Barack Hussein Obama
Elizabeth Rosamond Taylor
Mark Freuder Knopfler

- And stop being a Star for a while.

But what is TRUTH is something totally different.

STAR: 3412 = 10 = 1
AURA: 1621 = 10 = 1
SPIRIT: 381214 = 19 = 1
DNA: 451 = 10 = 1
MAN: 415 = 10 = 1

When a Star adopts a new name, it becomes a Sun or a Betelgeuse, it has an ego.
Just like a Human Incarnation.

We were the ones who named the Stars.
Is our kind who gives name to ourselves.

It's our human condition who does this, but a Human Condition is not what is real.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen
But the sun itself?
It just simply "is". How to put that into words?
I can`t really.
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However, if we cast a chart from the helio perspective, that changes.
We are of course still located on earth, as individual people, but the chart is from the perspective of the Star.

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~ Maybe the puzzle is being solved.

posted September 17, 2014 01:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Anyway, now I do think that strong patterns in the helio chart will be very significant, like they are in the geo chart, but would not interprete them as neccessarily a bad thing, just dynamic. in the case of the Grand cross stable dynamic.

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I think so, or at least something very similar.

As you know, in heliocentric charts we don't have Ascendant, Nodes or Houses.
Geometry is predominant.

GEOMETRY : 35745421 = 31 = 13
HIGHER SELF: 5135523538 = 31 = 13

With a distortioned dynamic, even a beautiful Geometry may turn into an inharmonic one.
Interesting, because this word you just said equals 1 too, just as Aura, Spirit or DNA.

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
An example:
My helio Mars is in:

I do not have a Grand Cross, but I do have a T-square of:

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At this point, the reason why I asked about Heliocentric charts is certainly suspicious. I knew that to explain things better you'll have to give at least a simple example.
To present my Apologies, I have a present for you

Q. 18121974
A. 33

Who is 18121974?
Answer: 6571318121974 = 55 = 10 = 1

Not necessary to reduce 33 to 24 or 6.
It's very clear what your karma(s) are
Puting your chart aside (and also trying to forget about it), you are quite different Ms, I don't even know do I... somehow got this feeling, taking in count our Ascendants exactly squares each other's, this is very strange for me
33, it fits you well I'd say.
Well, I'm gonna leave that just there.
I think the most interesting thing about your Helio, It's that you still retain aspects to many Fixed-Stars, which leaves me a bit confused about myself, but I guess I'll talk about later.

Regulus.
But especially Sirius and Antares. Their influence is like printed on your Geometry.

From what I'm seeing in your Heliocentric, I feel happy because I wasn't wrong about my first statement in this thread.
Each time, my % of truth about it increases.

Theory says - When Akhenaten, Nefertiti, Giza and all the other Egyptian asteroids are highly aspected. Is because somehow Sirius is aspected too, in this case Saturn falls almost exactly over Sirius.
For me, their influence in you is not just part of the current incarnation.

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• I'm afraid I can't offer much info about Egyptian asteroids in my Helio.
~ Because it almost doesn't have patterns or aspects. Everything is Packed. (??) It's a bundle chart.

~ There are no T-Squares, No Crosses or Grand Trines. That's why I almost never saved Heliocentric charts of myself.

• My relation with Fixed Stars like Rigel, Aldebaran, Sirius, Procyon, Thuban is completely gone. Which means, most presence of Egyptian asteroids is gone too. Only a few remain.

On the other hand.
- As logic Uranus and Neptune haven't changed so much, but also Moon stays in a non-physical point.
- So, these "points" are heavily aspected.

~ Is this the reason why I never felt a need of belonging? And also why I've been always traveling even since I was a baby?
~ Is this the reason why I still feel the need of keep moving or meeting new places?
~ Why am I no binded to any solid-distant star in my Helio, while in my current natal I'm binded to 4-5?
Where 5th would be Procyon

(...)
I hope to know some day, but
As I believe this is one of my last post in LL, I don't think It's really necessary to discuss about me.
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• In any case, I think it's my turn to share my own Helio chart.
As I said, most of egyptians are gonne, because the influence of Orion and Sirius is gone too.
But other asteroids have take more relevance.

_ I hope you find it useful.

If I find a more "funny chart" I'll post it as a farewell.
Sadly, it may be off-topic.

~ Thanks for your kind responses, Ceridwen.
It's was my pleasure to have shared a bit of info with you.

posted September 17, 2014 10:55 AM            

I couldn't fit this:
Geo Tropic Amenhotep in cancer at 0 59
Geo Tropic Aphrodite in cancer at 0 52
Draco Moon in capricorn at 1 35

Amenhotep trines my GT Saturn/DNA which rules my second and falls in the 11th.

posted September 17, 2014 07:17 PM            

I noticed something quite interesting in this chart.
Echnaton is conjunct Nemesis in the 22th degree of Virgo.
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Nemesis alone in that degree, acts as a symbol of Defience.
Because 22 of Virgo has the sabian, "The Royal Coat of Arms".
And in this case, I think there are 2 possible options.

Option 1.
Nemesis acts as an indicator of defiance about what Echnaton represents, not what it is. (I think already commented about this before in this post).
Because this conjunction it's not in a house related to the past, as 12th, 8th, etc.

Option 2
Nemesis is telling us that I fact, in a certain period of time you defied an egyptian pharao, if not akhenaten and - Why am I making such an affirmation?, well, I have some astrologic 'coincidences'.
Here they are:

~ A big part of your subconscious and also a part of your feelings have been inherited from your immeadiate family. Because Moon is in the 4th house, conj the IC angle.
~ Lord of 4th house falls in your 1st house, what you represent, of course.
~ This 1st House of yours has the South Node in it too.
~ This South Node sightly squares Nemesis and Echnaton.

* There's a considerable Gran Cross formed by:
1) South node
2) Symbol for the Royal Coat of Arms, but also Nefertiti and Lord of 10th - both have this sabian: A Volcanic Eruption, long-repressed contents of the subconscious. And it's keyword is EXPLOSION.
2.1 This 17th of Virgo is oppositing Moon and South Node, pretty much descriptive.
3) Moon in the 4th (heritage and Linaje)
4) North Node, the task you have to reach

All of this 'coincidences' lead me to this:

~ At least in 1 period of time, not only you. Your whole linaje defied the King (or should I say the Pharaoh?). But even if it clearly says names as: Echnaton and Nefertiti, I don't dare to confirm it. But it's possible.

On the other hand, there are NO big karmic debts related to this Grand Cross, because.

. Saturn is not in high-tension aspects with Lord of 4th
. Saturn is not aspecting 22th, 17th Virgo or both Nodes

But you have Karma inconjunct Moon.
Which means you'll have to deal with that 'special part of feelings in you', inherited from your immeaditae family (4th H)
What are exaclty those kind of feelings and subconscious beliefs? The answer is in yourself.

Another aspect that confirm this, and may help you actually, is this one.
You've earned Sun conjunct Horus.
Let's remember that Horus equals 5 just as Sun. Horus = 57263 = 23 = 5
And this conjunction is in an almost perfect square with "Lord of 4th House".

Some of the questions that should be asked are: What's the reason for the presence of this Grand Cross I previously mentioned?, What's the reason for Nemesis in the Royal Coat of Arms?
Was your linaje in the right choice about defying the Pharaoh / King ? or it was wrong? - Just as I replied to Keela. These questions are meant to be asked From Yourself --> To Yourself.

Once you find the answer, you'll realize something very interesting, that it doesn't really matter, no greatly. Because no Saturn, only karma is making a quincunx with Moon in 4th.
Once you reach your North Node, this Grand Cross will certainly disappear, gradually.

It's advisable to reach not only 19th, but 18th and 20th too to completely clear the tension between your linaje and the 22th Virgo, Royal Coat of Arms and the 17th.

~ I hope this is useful.
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I found a funny helio chart as promised.
Which means It's time to say Adios
It has Memoria, one of my favorites! ( along with Veritas ) - and Poseidon who's the 'other Neptune'.
http://s29.postimg.org/cq7lr66pz/birdie3333.gif

Apologies about the excess of arithmancy or chaldean, but I just can't help it... lol
I feel like starting a long trip, but I guess that eventually I may leave some eggs in the nest.
Ok!, I guess it's just about work-out time!

~ Good-bye & Good Luck!

posted September 17, 2014 08:53 PM            

I think the chart I posted ties in with my Egyptian dream that I mentioned in the original post:

EGYPTIAN PAST LIFE DREAM:
I had a very vivid past life Egyptian dream many years ago and I was royalty or something along those lines. I was a woman and I was been carried by servants in a sort of litter but not like what you see in wikipedia as those look more sophisticated, the one in my dream was different and made of natural materials. I was going to visit my lover and once I was in the room with him I was observing everything from a third person perspective from the top corner, my spirit was floating it seemed while observing. I couldn't be with this person and we were discussing running way. The dream ended in my hometown, I was with multitude of people at a cross road waiting for an elephant to pass by.

I was sneaking around in secret with my lover and I was royalty. Its possible that in my attempt to run away with my lover my husband ordered he was killed and I got killed as well on purpose or accidentally or committed suicide right after.

-hypothetical cupido in scorpio squaring nessus/hylonome in Leo in the 8th

-chiron/hades/paradise inconjunct saturn on one side and asteroid cupido in the other

-Chart ruler Jupiter which also rules my 12th house is at the apex with uranus and inconjuncts isis on one side and JUNO on the other and notice how JUNO sesquisquares nofretete, my MC, Echnaton and nemesis and that ruler of my 7th,10th and Sun is mercury retro..

Wait wait wait I was going to say that this could mean that my husband was my enemy and probably brother and I defied him by attempting to run away with my lover which ended badly...

BUT there is another possibility...

I am thinking that since my parents have the following aspects below and you keep brining up family lineage karma that Nofretete and Echnaton conjunct MC can represent my parents in a past life who were royalty and they could have ordered the death of my lover which maybe lead to me committing suicide after:

My parents have a double whammy Nerfetiti and Akhenaten.

Mom Akhenaten Scorpio at 0 degrees
Dad Nefertiti Scorpio at 1 degrees

This synastry aspect they have conjuncts my saturn in scorpio/dna/tyche at 2 degrees. Ex has draco moon in scorpio at 1 deg and husband has Karma in scorpio 0 and mercury in scorpio at 1 with eros in scorpio at 3 33. Me and my ex have a huge potent stellium in the 12th and me and my husband in the 8th.

In addition my parents have:

Mom Nerfetiti Aqua 14 degrees
Dad Akhenaten Aqua 13 degrees

My parents are very spiritual and religious (speaking in tongues, heavy into healing and the holy spirit); my dad even had a spiritual experience that confirmed he should marry my mom (he was not religious back then) and I am his only biological daughter and happen to have Horus conjunct Sun exact. I am average and by no means special but it shows the spiritual theme in their life as a couple this double whammy and my horus conjunct Sun since I came from very spiritual parents is not a coincidence.

I do defy their religion and beliefs; I respect it and let them be but I am not with them, I broke away from it in my early 20s from that path. I favored intellectual freedom, astrology and other kinds of spirituality. I felt their religion limited my intellectual freedom too much and was based on lies and illusions.

ADD:

My husband's Nofretete squares exact his Echnaton by 00 03.

My husband's Draco Nofretete in the 10th conjuncts almost exact my nemesis and Echnaton in the 10th.

My ex Draco Queen's asteroid in the 7th conjuncts exact by seconds his Geo Tropic Sun in the 3rd and my GT psyche. His draco King conjunct DC conjuncts my GT Saturn/DNA in the 11th and his GT mercury. My husband's draco king conjuncts his GT mercury and my Saturn/DNA as well.

posted September 30, 2014 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Echnaton conjunct Moon
sextile Akhenaten 0
Nefertiti conjunct Jupiter
sextile Amenhotep
You can bow now

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Sun conjunct Akhenaten
Amenhotep conjunct IC
Draconic Nefertiti conjunct natal Jupiter
Draconic Sun-Moon is conjunct natal Spirit-Echnaton

posted October 10, 2014 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
Wow!, you have the Sun CONJ Horus aspect.
You are the 2nd person I've found (in LL) with that conj. (Well, I haven't been very active here, I guess there are more around).
And the 3rd if I count the dude who has the ASC/Horus conjunction.

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*So, could you please be kind enough to give me a hand with my own research ?
1. Is that Horus retro or direct?
2. Is Horus aspecting Neptune and/or Saturn?
3. Have you ever felt like an enlightened person? Have you ever in your life felt like you were wiser than most people?
4. Are you the kind of person that does everything to find the 'Truth'? (This is important - Sun CONJ Horus + Mercury retro)
5.Do you think your percentaje of "Truth" about Life/Knowledge is HIGHER that most people?
5.5. How do you feel if you watch closely this symbol?

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Scared - annoyed - calm - confident - intimidated or do you feel nothing at all?

Thank you!

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P.S. How interesting...
I always meet with "egyptian energies" when Sun is transiting by one of the Fixed Stars from the Orion constellation.
Today, it's transiting by my beloved Rigel.

Oh! Rigel, I love you, don't ever leave me!

[b]lol

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posted October 27, 2014 02:58 PM            

I just want to add some archeological input.
things you that are made known about ankhetaten.

first he is an enigma in that his name or image do not appear before he becomes king.amonhptep3 is his father but but this is never mentioned or shown in any of amonhoteps aritfats or stella.

posted April 03, 2018 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
OMG!!!

LOL

My parents have a double whammy Nerfetiti and Akhenaten.

Mom Akhenaten Scorpio at 0 degrees
Dad Nefertiti Scorpio at 1 degrees

This synastry aspect they have conjuncts my saturn in scorpio at 2 degrees.

In addition they have:

Mom Nerfetiti Aqua 14 degrees
Dad Akhenaten Aqua 13 degrees

This synastry aspect conjuncts my mom's venus at 12 degrees.

My mom is super super religious but both of my parents are actively involved in church.

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They also have Nefertiti conjunct Akhenaten and Chiron in their Composite Chart.

posted April 08, 2018 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:

I find it interesting that Neferititi's death is unknown:

Nefertiti was the wife of Pharaoh Amenhotep IV, who later changed his name to Akhenaton, and mother-in-law to Pharaoh Tutankhamun. Her name means "beautiful" or "perfect", but her parentage is uncertain and nothing is known of her childhood. Some experts believe that she was a daughter of Pharaoh Ay and his wife Tey, while others argue that her mother was an Asian princess, Tadukhipa from Mitanni (Syria). She and her husband worshiped the god Aton -- as did all of Egypt, by decree -- but Nefertiti herself also seems to have been considered a living goddess of fertility. She played a prominent role in royal and religious life, which suggests that she was more a queen or co-ruler than merely one of the Pharaoh's wives.

Akhenaton and Nefertiti ruled for about a dozen years, and then, in 1336 BC, the fourteenth year of his reign, she vanished. There is no further mention of her in any historical record, so it is presumed Akhenaton ordered that her name never be mentioned again. It is unclear whether her disappearance indicates her death, or whether she assumed a new identity, fled the kingdom, or simply fell out of favor with the Pharaoh. One theory is that she became Pharaoh herself after Akhenaton's death. Her tomb and presumably mummified body were never found, although there has been some speculation that a damaged mummy found in a nondescript tomb in 2003 may be her.

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hi amelia28

you might try to get hold of a copy of Oedipus and Akhnaton-myth and history. it goes into the lives of aknhnaton and Nefertiti.
it seems that Nefertiti was displaced in the 12th year of akhnatons reign when his mother Queen tiye move to akhnetaton from thebes. she took power and the duties as royal wife and Nefertiti was "banished " to the north part of the city.
the confusion of her reigning after akhnaton death comes because akhnatons son smenkhkare co-reigned with a akhnaton for about a year before akhnaton disappeared or was deposed. smenkhkare took the name of nefernefruaten for part of his nomen. this had been part of nerfertiti's before she "disappeared.

J.D.S. pendlebury in his book tell el arman metioned that in the 1880's legends had it that a group of beudoins were seen coming out of the eastern desert with a golden sarcophagus. golden works with nefertiti's name appeared in the markets of cairo but whether they were real or fraud ever determined.
the eastern desert was where akhnaton had their tomb built. all other tombs were built within the confides of the city akhet-aton

when they were still in thebes, akhnaton built the largest temple to amon that was ever obstructed. I was about mile long ad 1/4 mile wide..... inside the only image that was Nefertiti...".beauty forever and ever"

posted April 16, 2018 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
hi amelia28

you might try to get hold of a copy of Oedipus and Akhnaton-myth and history. it goes into the lives of aknhnaton and Nefertiti.
it seems that Nefertiti was displaced in the 12th year of akhnatons reign when his mother Queen tiye move to akhnetaton from thebes. she took power and the duties as royal wife and Nefertiti was "banished " to the north part of the city.
the confusion of her reigning after akhnaton death comes because akhnatons son smenkhkare co-reigned with a akhnaton for about a year before akhnaton disappeared or was deposed. smenkhkare took the name of nefernefruaten for part of his nomen. this had been part of nerfertiti's before she "disappeared.

J.D.S. pendlebury in his book tell el arman metioned that in the 1880's legends had it that a group of beudoins were seen coming out of the eastern desert with a golden sarcophagus. golden works with nefertiti's name appeared in the markets of cairo but whether they were real or fraud ever determined.
the eastern desert was where akhnaton had their tomb built. all other tombs were built within the confides of the city akhet-aton

when they were still in thebes, akhnaton built the largest temple to amon that was ever obstructed. I was about mile long ad 1/4 mile wide..... inside the only image that was Nefertiti...".beauty forever and ever"

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I inhale the sweet breeze that comes from thy mouth,I contemplate thy beauty every day. it's my desire to hear thy lovely voice like the north wind's whiff. Love will rejuvenate my limbs.
Give me thy hands that hold thy soul,i shall embrace and live by it.Call me by name again, again, forever,and never will it sound without response,my beloved brother-thou being with me for eterntiy

Poem from Queen Meritaten to her deceased husband/brother, King Smenkhkare