posted August 26, 2014 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by cosmolove89:
Thanks, guys!

I guess it's left me wondering before because I have its paired asteroid exactly conjunct my Sun (Nessus) at 27 degrees Virgo. So, for the both to have such exact conjunctions, I thought maybe there was some kind of positive manifestation to come of the two.

P.S. And no, lol, I am not an abuser. But I have had much contact with abusers, including an ex-husband. I know I've seen you post before Ami that Nessus conjunct any personal planet makes the individual an abuser, but this is not true in my case. Maybe I am in denial, who knows. But...I seem to also meet many who aren't abusers with Nessus conjunct their Sun like myself, even my current astrological teacher.

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In a women's chart nessus conjunct sun can indicate father was abusive or that she attracts man who want to abuse her.

posted August 26, 2014 11:55 AM            

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posted August 26, 2014 03:48 PM            

cosmolove, take a look at the sabian symbols of the degrees you mentioned:

nessus conjunct sun
2-3 deg Sagittarius
Two Men Playing Chess

dejanira conjunct ascendant
27-28 deg Virgo
A Baldheaded Man Who Has Seized Power

i think there is probably a power play theme in your life that will play out in personal relationships.

i'm assuming you are young, not yet saturn return, because of "89" in your name, so this is a good time to be aware.

sometimes in intimate relationships sexual abuse can be subtle, an unconscious play of power of one over another, and boundaries can seem fine, all in the name of love/sex/pleasure, but then later on, feelings come into play that heighten the victim-abuser dynamic. i'm not saying you are designated to be an abuser, or a victim, but this dynamic shows up prominently in your chart for awareness to be brought in.

posted August 26, 2014 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
NO asteroid or even pair of asteroids will dominate your chart, cosmo...other factors will modify and alter the expression. IQ mentions positive implications of Nessus and Dejanira is an complex character too.

She may have been the victim of Nessus' advances, and of his trickery...but she also was the victim of her own possessiveness/jealousy...and in trying to control Hercules' ability to be attracted to others, she poisoned him (accidentally)...and thus Hercules was HER victim.

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I like your description of the story. It kind of opens my eyes to the dynamic in a different way. If looking at these characters as the same person, it reminds me of how selfishness and selflessness go hand in hand. To be selfish, means you are at least true to your primitive need to survive. But with selflessness, it's easy to fall victim to martyr behavior... "I do so much for this person, I love this person so much, but he can't do this for me? I'm not his world?" As if our good deeds when made in the name of love, have anything to do with reward. In the name of "love," she rapes Hercules of life...making them probably more alike than they realized. Raping one sexually or raping ones soul with possessive attitudes, which is really all that better? Rape is rape. Nessus in a way, is the martyr to rape...he did her dirty work for her.

Before I came onto this thread last night, I'd pulled a tarot card to meditate on and it happened to be the 6 of Swords. I found it disappointing. I'd pulled it in hopes of figuring out why I have so many men from my past on my doorstep...Ghosts reappearing. It's very in my face to where I can't ignore this odd trend. I figured it was T-Saturn and Mars transiting my 12th house. I didn't mean to even make the night about Nessus, but I saw other articles had been started and dedicated to Nessus recently on here. I read them, and the depiction of Nessus in positive light, is a "ferryman," guiding and transforming souls. How strange...considering the 6 of Swords mirrors this very picture! It's as though I am being drawn to Nessus with reason. T-Nessus is conjunct my True Node, I also didn't realize this till after. Another article renders it the wounded Eros. Which, all of last month, my attention was on Eros and the story involving him and Psyche because these very men resurfacing, have their Psyche conjunct my Eros exact or their Psyche is conjunct my own Psyche exact. It seems as though this New Moon in Virgo is redirecting my attention from the pair Psyche and Eros (path to Eros), to now Nessus and Eros. Currently, I have T-Saturn/Mars are conjunct my natal Eros; T-Psyche conjunct my Psyche. It's all so synchronistic.

posted August 26, 2014 08:55 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
I think Nessus has to do more with sexual abuse than abuse in general.

cosmolove, take a look at the sabian symbols of the degrees you mentioned:

nessus conjunct sun
2-3 deg Sagittarius
Two Men Playing Chess

dejanira conjunct ascendant
27-28 deg Virgo
A Baldheaded Man Who Has Seized Power

i think there is probably a power play theme in your life that will play out in personal relationships.

i'm assuming you are young, not yet saturn return, because of "89" in your name, so this is a good time to be aware.

sometimes in intimate relationships sexual abuse can be subtle, an unconscious play of power of one over another, and boundaries can seem fine, all in the name of love/sex/pleasure, but then later on, feelings come into play that heighten the victim-abuser dynamic. i'm not saying you are designated to be an abuser, or a victim, but this dynamic shows up prominently in your chart for awareness to be brought in.

everyone's perception is different of each situation. just be aware. power-boundaries-force-self control-- all may be a theme for awareness in your life. you will have to dig deep, so that you do not unconsciously allow this to become prominent for you, especially when others touch these points in your chart to activate them. i may be way off, but i would recommend awareness in any case, that's all.

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Just now seeing this, but this is right on!! If you read my post I just made, you'll see why. Thank you for posting the sabian symbols. I didn't realize these existed. You wrote it opposite, it's Nessus and Sun at 27 degrees Virgo. But regardless, these two symbols are the ones mentioned. I like that you gave me an additional visual to ponder.

But yes...I'm noticing these men from my past (ghosts) coming into the picture and some of them are very upfront about the fact they want sex, only sex. Others, seem more sneaky or stalkerish, like they are just looking to own me or something as their own.

I have Venus/Pluto/Cupid/Eros/Sapphos all in Scorpio in my 12th house. I personally, do not feel like I use sex as a way to gain power. There is no denying I have perhaps a higher drive than most, which does make even the most crass of invites at times inviting. But, afterward, it's like a shift occurs and I feel it for what it is...almost an allowance of sexual derogatory behavior and I feel awful that I allowed this raping of my soul. Because in the end, it feels like rape or deceit. But I have gotten better at realizing this behavior is hurtful for me. I have turned the coin around too though, wondering when men have felt they were raped by me as well if there is guilt present afterwards, i.e. they suddenly feel like a rapist or sociopath since I am such a nice person.

posted February 20, 2015 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think about Astrology all day long if you haven't noticed I am the bearer of the second worse asteroid for childhood abuse--Dejanira(Number 157), the Victim Asteroid, conjunct the Child( Number 4580) Asteroid. The worst asteroid for childhood abuse is Dejanira conjunct the Moon. In all cases of Dejanira conjunct the Moon thatI have seen, there has been severe childhood abuse, usually sexual. If the conjunction is exact, it will be magnified. If it is wide, it will be lessened. Degrees are very important in these situations and every degree counts.

I have contemplated my own situation as one meditating on one's naval. I have learned that people have their own time table when dealing with abuse. The person cannot be rushed. Rebuking them for their tardiness does nothing but to produce increased shame, of which they have more than enough. This brings me to the subject of my article. Was I fated to be abused? If my mother had died, would I have escaped abuse? Would someone else have come to fill the void?

I have one of the best charts I have seen. I have many gifts but I have an exact conjunction of the Child Asteroid with Dejanira, the Victim Asteroid. It seems as if God gave me what I could handle and not a smidgeon more and I could barely handle this, so that was good. However, I do not want to get too far afield of our topic. Is abuse fated?

I think it is. I have come to this conclusion after years of mulling on the question. Surrender does not come when one's ways are working. It comes when one's ways have deserted him and he will either change or die. When one reaches this nadir, the proudest among men( and we are ALL proud) will, often, surrender. I think the hard asteroids propel one to surrender. In this light, the abuse asteroid may have been more of a blessing than a curse

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Quoting for distortion of truth. Just in case Faith needs evidence.

posted February 22, 2015 04:18 PM            

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posted February 23, 2015 12:45 AM            

The quotes I posted in your thread of things you said in the past were absolutely vile, by far nastier than anything I have ever said in my life. They reflect a scenario of the abused becoming the abuser, and you are not as innocent as you always try to manipulate others to think. Take accountability for what you say and do instead of blaming others and playing the victim. What happened to you was decades ago, either you can break the cycle by becoming more aware of your behaviors, or sadly you can repeat it. You can continue to email people all day to get them to say things to try and rile me up, but I do not care. It will not work on me because you want a reaction, and I refuse to feed into your drama you desperately crave for love and validation. This the last thing I have to say on this matter, and I suggest you do the same.

Faith: ignore her manipulative tactics- wanting to be friends, saying that we don't have lives, blaming us for her own behavior, etc.

posted February 23, 2015 06:41 AM            

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posted February 23, 2015 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I wrote a new article explaining my error.

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Did you publish it though?

posted February 23, 2015 11:09 AM            

http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/asteroid-child-conjunct-asteroid-dejanira/

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posted February 23, 2015 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Glad you actually did it.

It's not silly when you threaten me.

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You said"I LIE all the time" which is libel. I checked with a lawyer, so I could sue you but it is too much trouble

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posted February 23, 2015 11:25 AM            

Which I can prove.

posted February 23, 2015 11:36 AM            

You, instead, want to keep doing silly fighting, so I won't offer to help you again, not that you asked me.

I tried to be helpful and reach out.

I have many, many people who appreciate me.

I will spend my time with them.

Bye Faith.

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posted February 23, 2015 07:14 PM            

What would Dejanira/Moon/Child be?

posted February 23, 2015 07:19 PM            

First of all, you have to look at degree. Every degree is crucial with asteroids.

The Moon is deeper than the Child asteroid, which is like a mini moon, from what I have seen in charts.

For example, Child aspects can substitute, in a sense, for Moon aspects.

However, the Moon is much more integral to the person than the Child asteroid, so Moon conjunct Dejanira is worse.

Then Child/Nessus and then Child/Deja imo

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posted March 02, 2015 06:44 AM            

Just only thoses two aspect .

posted March 02, 2015 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyKitty:
If someone has his Nessus trine my Dejarina ( in Air signs , 1 degree) . His Nessus conjunct my Auro exact orb.

Just only thoses two aspect .

Will he abused me?

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IMO, the Aura would be the biggest culprit and I would watch it. Yes xx

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