posted August 24, 2014 05:14 PM            

I have contemplated my own situation as one meditating on one's naval. I have learned that people have their own time table when dealing with abuse. The person cannot be rushed. Rebuking them for their tardiness does nothing but to produce increased shame, of which they have more than enough. This brings me to the subject of my article. Was I fated to be abused? If my mother had died, would I have escaped abuse? Would someone else have come to fill the void?

I have one of the best charts I have seen. I have many gifts but I have an exact conjunction of the Child Asteroid with Dejanira, the Victim Asteroid. It seems as if God gave me what I could handle and not a smidgeon more and I could barely handle this, so that was good. However, I do not want to get too far afield of our topic. Is abuse fated?

I think it is. I have come to this conclusion after years of mulling on the question. Surrender does not come when one's ways are working. It comes when one's ways have deserted him and he will either change or die. When one reaches this nadir, the proudest among men( and we are ALL proud) will, often, surrender. I think the hard asteroids propel one to surrender. In this light, the abuse asteroid may have been more of a blessing than a curse.

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posted August 24, 2014 08:48 PM            

I have a client who was abused as a child and she has Dejanira square sun by 5 orbs applying and Dejanira trine Saturn by 3 orbs applying.

Another client reports she was not abused as a child but was raped as an adult and she has Dejanira conjunct Child by 4 orbs applying but no childhood abuse and Nessus/mars/dejanira stellium and was abused as an adult. Her mars conjuncts nessus under 3 orbs and her mars conjuncts dejanira under three orbs.

Perhaps 4 orbs bt child and dejanira puts you in situations were abuse could have happened but it doesn’t actually end up happening..

The only instance I can remember as a child that could have lead to abuse was for a brief period when my neighborhood administration hired a new pool staff and my interactions with him were inappropriate; he would talk about cutting himself and had a knife on him and talked about my mother in a way that made me worry about her, he was trying to intimidate me and I eventually just avoided him in general and stopped going to the pool completely and I remember standing up for my mother; I felt I needed to protect her..Soon one of the neighbors heard one of our conversations and contacted me to inquire about him, if he had done anything and said she was going to fire him and to reach her if anything happens. After he was fired I resumed going to the pool.

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posted August 25, 2014 02:06 AM            

I'm curious how you all feel about the fact Dejanira is conjunct my rising exact (Sagittarius 2 degrees). What do you think this might imply?

posted August 25, 2014 10:54 AM            

For all of us, the past has already been expressed. But how do we experience it now? How do we experience the memory of it now? Do we really need to understand it or explain it? Perhaps, but only if that information or understanding will empower us to help ourselves or others.

Ami, we all know that 1 conjunction does not make us who we are. Take a look at aspects to this conjunction for clues as to how this could have been avoided. Or was there an unconscious urge for you to bring this into manifestation unavoidably? Perhaps your chart shows this and may be why it occurred. There is no shame in this. There is always a gift in every experience.

Some charts will show a way out, and a choice has to be made to take it. Some will not but awareness will change how that experience plays out, or what experiences are to follow. Even with astrology fate is not definitive.

Everyone has some sort of balance in their charts, a theme, an underlying experience or mission. Look at your chart as a whole entity instead of chopping it into pieces. And see how it relates to others. Astrology is really a science of relationships, mathematically speaking. If you understand another person's life experience, fate, you will understand your own experience better in relation to them.

So, yes, astrology indicates our fate, but we have free will choice as to how our fate is experienced. It's not a matter of changing our fate or eliminating our fate, it's a matter of choosing and manifesting.

posted August 25, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by cosmolove89:
Lol, I recognize you from the Facebook groups.

I'm curious how you all feel about the fact Dejanira is conjunct my rising exact (Sagittarius 2 degrees). What do you think this might imply?

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Me, lol. Yea, I am in many of them

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posted August 25, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Any asteroid within 2 degrees conjunct an ascendant will most likely be a major theme in one's life. It does not mean it has to manifest in a negative way, but it will be important to you, especially when activated in relationship to another person or event that touches this point in your chart.

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Great explanation, PS!

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posted August 25, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Fate is not set in stone. Charts can be interpreted many ways, especially when they are misread lol. I removed my post so as to avoid embarrassing anyone but the total brush off of facts is as usual very irritating.

Would love to see your mother's chart, Ami.

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Originally posted by Catalina:
But "abuse asteroids" can manifest in many many ways like all points in our charts. In fact in any given life they can manifest in myriad ways as we grow and absorb the "lessons" they bring (and as the chart progresses shows quite a lot the manner and timing of those morphings)

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posted August 25, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Fate is not set in stone. Charts can be interpreted many ways, especially when they are misread lol. I removed my post so as to avoid embarrassing anyone but the total brush off of facts is as usual very irritating.

Would love to see your mother's chart, Ami.

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Too good to be true, your being nice

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posted August 25, 2014 07:57 PM            

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posted August 25, 2014 08:27 PM            

Well you said it helped you and I'm glad if it did. It was for your benefit so I took it down when you'd read it. If you want to discuss it here I'm fine with that. It would be fascinating to see your mother's birthdata.

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posted August 25, 2014 11:42 PM            

I guess it's left me wondering before because I have its paired asteroid exactly conjunct my Sun (Nessus) at 27 degrees Virgo. So, for the both to have such exact conjunctions, I thought maybe there was some kind of positive manifestation to come of the two.

posted August 25, 2014 11:47 PM            

Oh! And opposite PALLAS, 1°. 8H.

I was the victim of a 'Cruel Intentions'-style plot in my latter high school years. Really, really crushed me. My first love manipulated by my best friend and his on / off snake of a girlfriend who I could never truly trust.

He finally came clean about the whole thing suddenly when I contacted him on a screen name he didn't recognise years later. Fancied himself 'a director of human relationships'. He's always battled psychopathy. We had some really crazy times.

posted August 26, 2014 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by cosmolove89:
Thanks, guys!

I guess it's left me wondering before because I have its paired asteroid exactly conjunct my Sun (Nessus) at 27 degrees Virgo. So, for the both to have such exact conjunctions, I thought maybe there was some kind of positive manifestation to come of the two.

P.S. And no, lol, I am not an abuser. But I have had much contact with abusers, including an ex-husband. I know I've seen you post before Ami that Nessus conjunct any personal planet makes the individual an abuser, but this is not true in my case. Maybe I am in denial, who knows. But...I seem to also meet many who aren't abusers with Nessus conjunct their Sun like myself, even my current astrological teacher.

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You have to look at the whole chart, my Friend.

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posted August 26, 2014 07:47 AM            

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