posted September 09, 2014 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
So in terms of twin flames. Are you saying that it is indicated by a conjunction between Isis and Osiris?

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And this is why I REALLY try not to SAY what the markers are. It's just not THAT cut-and-dried.

In some, we've seen an EROS conjunct PSYCHE, 0º-1º.
In others, an ISIS conjunct OSIRIS, up to 3º.

It's really about the composite chart. We have a better chance of defining a SET of Twins than Twins. WHICH BOTHERS ME. As it REALLY is an individual soul journey!

The most 'telling' I've seen thus far is a conjunction of ALMA with JUNO, up to 2º. While I didn't identify this, I did note how much it smack of the heralded 'Twin Flame journey'.

ALL of my soul missions tend to have something to do with what are commonly thought to be 'Twin Flame' journeys. That's what got me on board this whole thing. When I couldn't deny what I was seeing in my own chart, along with combining information and resources and analyses I've been collecting since my youth -- it all just fell together too elegantly.

My final assumption being, if you are, you already know it. Now, accepting it ... that's a horse of a different colour.

But the long and short is, I would never say THIS mythical pairing indicates THIS in a chart. I'd say it's a MARKER. And if we see a theme, and the whole thing starts shouting, 'HEY!' -- then we've got something. But not before that moment.

posted September 09, 2014 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I'm pretty sure neither of them will tell you: "I'm a graduate soul". It contradicts the definition of a "graduate soul". A major characteristic of evolved souls is MODESTY (even if they know they're a bit ahead).

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posted September 09, 2014 06:28 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I'm pretty sure neither of them will tell you: "I'm a graduate soul". It contradicts the definition of a "graduate soul". A major characteristic of evolved souls is MODESTY (even if they know they're a bit ahead).

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I'm not understanding where all of this is coming from. Never have I once said that they weren't modest. I clearly said that graduate souls don't see themselves as more special than others. Reread my post. And if even if they were graduate souls. It woudnt be arrogant for them to claim it if they knew it. That's not arrogance, that's honesty. I'm pretty sure most graduate souls aren't even aware that they are grad souls anyway..

posted September 09, 2014 06:30 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
And this is why I REALLY try not to SAY what the markers are. It's just not THAT cut-and-dried.

In some, we've seen an EROS conjunct PSYCHE, 0º-1º.
In others, an ISIS conjunct OSIRIS, up to 3º.

It's really about the composite chart. We have a better chance of defining a SET of Twins than Twins. WHICH BOTHERS ME. As it REALLY is an individual soul journey!

The most 'telling' I've seen thus far is a conjunction of ALMA with JUNO, up to 2º. While I didn't identify this, I did note how much it smack of the heralded 'Twin Flame journey'.

ALL of my soul missions tend to have something to do with what are commonly thought to be 'Twin Flame' journeys. That's what got me on board this whole thing. When I couldn't deny what I was seeing in my own chart, along with combining information and resources and analyses I've been collecting since my youth -- it all just fell together [b]too elegantly.

My final assumption being, if you are, you already know it. Now, accepting it ... that's a horse of a different colour.

But the long and short is, I would never say THIS mythical pairing indicates THIS in a chart. I'd say it's a MARKER. And if we see a theme, and the whole thing starts shouting, 'HEY!' -- then we've got something. But not before that moment.

And that moment is ... kinda rare.[/B]

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posted September 09, 2014 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Well, it's obviously perfectly alright for anyone to believe whatever they want to; however, it would be rather nice (or: "spiritually advanced") if everyone stayed alert to the fact that nobody has appointed anyone on this earth the final arbiter of such absolute truths, and that many things proclaimed as "truths" by various esoteric groups are really only theories. I, for instance, happen not to subscribe to the particular belief system you mentioned, not that it matters at all; but then I believe very few things I have not personally seen :shrugs:

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Hm.

Note to self: interjection of levity: status: failure.

For me, it's been a wild and crazy journey, to the centre of my soul. I'm naturally sceptical -- I used to be a debunker! -- and yet, there are certain things which just came through so clearly for me ... I had to at LEAST consider them.

I deem no one 'final arbiter' of anything, but I DO feel there are certain individuals who have been somewhat 'placed' into the lives of graduate souls and what-not in order to at least help them get where they ought to be going.

My question is, why isn't EVERYONE trying to 'live like a graduate soul' ? Or love EVERYONE 'like a Twin Flame' ? THAT's what I DON'T get, fundamentally.

posted September 09, 2014 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Everybody loving everyobody is not going to happen here, deal with it

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Har-tee-har-har ... har.

How about a Soulmate? May be that I'm just used to being flooded with them, it's not hard to approach things as 'what karma needs to be cleared here?' or 'what lessons am I supposed to be learning?'.

posted September 09, 2014 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
If I want this to be my last incarnation in this dimension, does that mean I'm a graduate soul?

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Hang on, Cappy, I've misplaced my magic wand ...

posted September 09, 2014 06:52 PM            

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How about a Soulmate? May be that I'm just used to being flooded with them, it's not hard to approach things as 'what karma needs to be cleared here?' or 'what lessons am I supposed to be learning?'.

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posted September 09, 2014 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I think it's more that certain folks are incarnating in certain crops in order to achieve certain things a la their zeitgeist. And, really, it's ISIS-OSIRIS that's the BIG clue, but I've certainly noticed that those with EROS and PSYCHE conjunct have a very influential Soulmate relationship in which karma must be cleared.

Does that mean ONLY them? Of course not. But it certainly does seem to be a strong enough marker which can narrow it down. For example, I've had nothing but Soulmate relationships. But that might be the Twin thing; I'm not sure.

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I think mythical pairs in tight opposition or parallel/contraparallel in the natal are just as potent.

There are many mythological pairs, so any one of them can indicate a person prone to significant, fateful encounters. PSYCHE-EROS is popular because EROS can sometimes race through the sky. ORPHEUS-EURYDIKE too, for the same reason. In fact, in my chart, ORPHEUS is blazing fast at the same speed as the SUN.

posted September 09, 2014 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Ok. I'm just curious because I want to learn that's all. I don't believe it's that simple either. I'm just interested in the subject

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It's definitely fascinating.

For me, it was such a 'moment'.

Ceri et al had been discussing techniques and jazz on my Twin Flame Astrology thread (from January of this year) and were theorising that Twins would have one of the mythic pairings in conjunction, or even just in aspect: EROS and PSYCHE, ISIS and OSIRIS, KAALI and RUDRA, SIVA and PARVATI.

This was shortly after Valentine's Day; that unbelievably intense Full Moon on ATLANTIS-REGULUS. Good God! Talk about a bizarre longing you can't place. I found myself staring up at the stars ]and crying for at least three consecutive nights. And watching 'Contact' again, because -- it's brilliant. Anyhow.

I already knew we had EROS trine PSYCHE, 3º. I plugged in the rest and got: ISIS conjunct OSIRIS, 0º30, with near conjunctions of both RUDRA and KAALI (5º) and SIVA and PARVATI (4º).

And even though they're not technically conjunct, they ARE parallel.

ALL OF THEM.

THAT ... seemed rare to me. iQ confirmed this, along with pointing out the other details which -- hoocha-hoocha-hoocha -- Twin Flame.

(That's an Eddie Izzard reference, by the way. I try to keep it light ... or light enough.)

I hadn't REALLY been asking for it -- but I became curious. I started wondering: what're the odds I'd meet this guy online after a powerful dream with whom I'd decide is THE one who's to write this story with me, which would turn out to be ABOUT Twin Flames -- just with fictional jargon I'd invented which was all SF rather than 'technical terminology'. And the telepathy. And the astral travel. And the 'observing multiple timelines' and having 'different outcomes' depending upon where we were and what was going on ... and the WEIRD events ...

So, eventually, I had to ask the question. Actually, I don't remember what the question was that I asked. Hang on.

Huh. Yeah, I just described the gist of the story featured in the project; asking if that resonated with him in terms of the Twin Flame research he's done. In short, was I unconsciously intuiting the story of the Twin Flames? I'd been told by other sources that I was -- which shocked me at the time. Had to take about a year to process what that might've meant.

Instead, he responded with: I'M a Twin Flame -- likely a Star Seed, definitely former Atlantean Royalty, (yeah, that one wasn't a shocker) with the story being evidential of 6 Twin Flame pairs in my Oversoul, of which there should be 13 total.

And this:

'Here all past life experiences and lessons are being customized for this specific incarnation, to get the taste of Multi-Dimensionality on a Physical Plane.'

For some reason, that resonated like a gong to me -- and still does. It hit on EVERY possible level; there wasn't even a moment of, 'wait, what?' The usual sceptical filtre was just stripped away. I KNEW it was true.

Astounding, to have an experience like that. And it summarised EVERYTHING I'd felt or experienced in my life. Suddenly, it all came together so beautifully, so elegantly, and CLICKED.

THEN he asked for my chart details. It was almost from the experiences I'd mentioned, alone -- the dreams, the story, the strange events -- he already knew. He just wanted to confirm it via the astrology. He was curious about my then producing partner's data, too, as he'd created the story with me, and it was him with whom I'd had so many of the bizarre experiences: time 'glitches', telepathy, astral travel, and so on.

Then, a few weeks later, there it was in the first line:

' ... indicate that you are both Twin Flames.'

I verified, actually -- did he mean we are BOTH Twin Flames, who have encountered each other for work to do here and ... we each have different Twins?

Nope. Nooooope, nope, nope. Aaaand, nope.

In fact, iQ was extremely generous in putting up with me the first few months following the analysis. I was constantly testing, throwing wrenches into the machinery. Running away. He'd gently tell me that I can't, and I really shouldn't try. I needed that. Someone to say, 'Auby, this is what it is. Something is way bigger than you are, and you have to learn to operate within ITS greater framework.' Otherwise, I kept raging against it all. Debunking. Disproving. Desperate to try and find ANYTHING to derail it, but his work was solid. So much so that I ended up just deciding I wanted to learn how he developed such elegant methodology.

I started to ... believe.

To accept. To understand. To reorient and reroute and operate differently. And no, I STILL haven't told him.

... But I'm sure he knows. After all, he called me 'his soulmate', once upon a time, which he meant in the popular sense of the word. Which, for him, is incredible.

And it's no less true now than it was then. We keep finding our way back to each other. I keep loving him -- in my way -- unconditionally, as the best friend he could have, while he (hopefully) learns to love himself. And here comes his first Saturn Return. Ooooh, boy.

Speaking of ... something must be in the air for me to go down [i]that[/]i particular memory lane. I keep it all so close to the vest.

posted September 09, 2014 07:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
BTW, I never said I do not believe in Twin Souls - intellectually speaking I guess I'm agnostic towards the concept, but emotionally and intuitively I know I am with mine.

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Really? See, that's fascinating to me, because I think the concept of a 'Twin Flame relationship' has become so muddled with everything everyone's saying about The Truth Of It All (which drives me crazy as well) that those who are actually living them are becoming lost in the shuffle.

And no worries on missing my 'humour'.

This resonates with me, too:

'One very renowned Jnana Yoga classic pronounced that there were four classes of pupils, and proscribed a different training regime for each accordingly. At the end, the text says: No matter on which tier of the ladder you actually think you are, you should always assume to be on the lowest one and practice accordingly. Now THAT resonated with me a lot.'

If I found out tomorrow, unquestioningly, there's no such thought or potential of a Guardian Soulmate, I'd hardly love mine any less. I certainly wouldn't feel as if we don't have the karma we do, or haven't had to clear the things we have. It would change neither the experience -- nor my perception of it.

And, frankly, if I were to suddenly learn, absolutely, that my Twin is not my Twin -- first off, I'd be SO RELIEVED. But I'd also have to then call a HUNDRED other things into question: but this? And that? And then this thing? But that thing? But if this isn't that, then what about all of THIS?

It's not as simple for me as the astrology. The astrology really was the confirmation of an entire paradigm I already knew was in operation. I just couldn't fully grok it -- and I REALLY couldn't accept it.

posted September 09, 2014 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Venus is soon to transit my vertex so we'll see what random, short, fated thing will take place. I already met someone the other day..

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posted September 09, 2014 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Well, on this we can certainly agree!

Good night for now, it's very late here and I'm almost sure my daughter will wake me up early.

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They do that.

posted September 09, 2014 09:33 PM              

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Originally posted by ail221:
I have this aspect Eros conjunct Psyche but in the 12th/1st and Taurus. I have found it's difficult for me to connect to partners, I am always searching for more depth because something just feels missing.

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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted September 09, 2014 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
I recall IQ mention if you have either Eros/Psyche or Isis/Osiris conjunct in your natal chart you are destined to find a true love soul mate in this lifetime, not necessarily a twin flame but true love.

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I'm as old as the hills, and have had several "true love soulmates" in this lifetime. As has my current love.

We both have Eros trine Psyche (wide) and Isis conjunct Osiris in our natals, which ends up as a 2 degree Eros/Psyche trine and a 0 degree Isis/Osiris conjunction in Composite.

I have no idea how we will turn out; been together about a year after re-meeting after 20+ years, but it ain't easy (this relationship, or our previous ones).

posted September 09, 2014 11:52 PM            

Not everyone is here this time to have an "ascension" experience and many are MEANT to have more nuts and bolts lives...not that those lives can't be crammed with wonderful experiences but they are basically not concerned with a Beyond.