posted October 01, 2014 02:02 AM            

I'm friends with a guy who's nessus is conjunct his mars(exact) square his neptune(by 3 degrees).

His Mars/Nessus also trines my venus (orb 1) and My sun conjunct his nessus (orb 1).

He has suffered a lot of abuse in his life and i was wondering if his above placements show potential abusive tendencies?

In the Draconic chart,His nessus/mars square my venus.IQ said this can indicate over possessiveness/obssessiveness and i've noticed signs of obssessiveness in him but only a little.

What i find interesting is that his draconic mars/nessus is conjunct my draconic pluto/valentine and all this is square my draconic venus and conjunct the Composite(geo) sun (orb 1).

I really like him.So any advice would be appreciate.Should i continue being his friend and more or should i keep my distance?

If the charts are needed let me know and i'll post them.

posted October 01, 2014 07:28 AM            

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posted October 01, 2014 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Friendship will not be a problem, however he needs to psychologically release the imprints from his abuse experiences through serious meditation/forgiveness work. Else, he can be triggered into playing the abuse out on his sexual partner should the relationship not work out.

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Thank you IQ for the reply.

May i ask a few more questions?

1-What about the draconic aspects between us.Does it mean anything?

2-Which aspects of his would indicate that when triggered he might take out the abuse on his sexual partner.

posted October 01, 2014 04:08 PM            

Do you think there's anything to the fact that --

my NESSUS is conjunct his DEJANIRA (0º)
his NESSUS squares my ASCENDANT (0º) and VENUS (2º)
his nNESSUS is conjunct my drDEJANIRA (1º)

We have a surprisingly strong NESSUS/DEJA pattern in both natal and Draco synastry.

posted October 01, 2014 04:15 PM            

I've recently begun evaluating the differences in drive expression in asexual spectrum. In large part, I've noticed that the only time in which we've had actual sex was when he was expressing his repressed anger drive; in other words, taking the sublimated rage and transmuting it to sexual energy.

I'm not entirely sure how my NESSUS operates natally, as it's a big mixed bag: conjunct CERES (2º), SCHRODINGER (1º), and NYMPHE (1º). I just presume it's my work as a therapist and healer.

But is that, do you think, part of the interrelationship from his nNESSUS to my drDEJA, which is operating via my nNESSUS to his nDEJA? Ultimately, his nNESSUS is what becomes activated -- with my drDEJA.

My nDEJA isn't free from aspects, either. It's conjunct his drASC, 0º.

posted October 01, 2014 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Aurora_girl1990:
2-Which aspects of his would indicate that when triggered he might take out the abuse on his sexual partner.

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His drMARS/NESSUS square your drVENUS.

Pay closest attention to the fact that your Draco square has become a Tropical trine. This is hardly coincidence. You're given the opportunity to channel this energy in a constructive rather than destructive fashion.

Your nSUN conjunct his nNESSUS is more a pattern, I think, regarding you rather than him. Through him, you have the chance to confront issues surrounding abuse, obsession, revenge, and other Nessus themes.

I ended up discussing quite a bit about NESSUS over here, as he's prominent in my synastry -- both Draconic and Tropical. You might want to pop over and have a look. It also would help with understanding the roots to whatever karmic pattern you have active and with which you're seeking resolution.

And to an extent, everything is karma. We simply have some which require a greater effort, or are a larger obstacle and become a bigger focus -- than others.

How, what, and why can be seen as echoed patterns in each natal which then resonate in synastry.

posted October 03, 2014 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
His drMARS/NESSUS square your drVENUS.

Pay closest attention to the fact that your Draco square has become a Tropical trine. This is hardly coincidence. You're given the opportunity to channel this energy in a constructive rather than destructive fashion.

Your nSUN conjunct his nNESSUS is more a pattern, I think, regarding you rather than him. Through him, you have the chance to confront issues surrounding abuse, obsession, revenge, and other Nessus themes.

I ended up discussing quite a bit about NESSUS over here, as he's prominent in my synastry -- both Draconic and Tropical. You might want to pop over and have a look. It also would help with understanding the roots to whatever karmic pattern you have active and with which you're seeking resolution.

And to an extent, everything is karma. We simply have some which require a greater effort, or are a larger obstacle and become a bigger focus -- than others.

How, what, and why can be seen as echoed patterns in each natal which then resonate in synastry.

The thread I've linked will help better illustrate that principle, too.

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Thank you for your reply Aubyanne

I have taken a look at the thread but i still have questions.

I noticed in the composite chart(geo) Kaali is conjunct nessus (1) opposite dejanira(2).

Do you know what this might mean?

To further make a point composite dejanira is conjunct my natal vertex(1).

posted October 03, 2014 10:26 PM            

So, really, you've got a 2º DEJA-NESSUS opposite in the composite, with cDEJA on your nVERTEX? Oh, boy. Yes, that's a karmic pattern. It ALL depends upon how the energy is handled and channelled. Not to mention, how well both of you manage power. I'd look at how nPLUTO is positioned to gain better insight into that, as well as nNESSUS.

Again, nNESSUS conjunct your nSUN brings those themes to 'light', so to speak, so that they can be confronted, in most cases.

But it absolutely doesn't have to be doom and gloom! But it CAN'T just be avoided or shoved under the rug, or avoided again. That'll just create more karma.

Do you feel as if your fears are based in present conditions -- or echoing from the past? You might simply be keying into a past betrayal or serious hurt. It doesn't have to be repeated. It CAN be healed. You just both have to be aware and dedicated to honesty and love. Corny as that sounds, it's the ONLY way to end a cycle of violence.

posted October 04, 2014 01:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Don't ask me about KAALI unlike you want straight-up guesswork; I'd hate to steer you wrong, and iQ has a much more complete concept of that one.

So, really, you've got a 2º DEJA-NESSUS opposite in the composite, with cDEJA on your nVERTEX? Oh, boy. Yes, that's a karmic pattern. It ALL depends upon how the energy is handled and channelled. Not to mention, how well both of you manage power. I'd look at how nPLUTO is positioned to gain better insight into that, as well as nNESSUS.

Again, nNESSUS conjunct your nSUN brings those themes to 'light', so to speak, so that they can be confronted, in most cases.

But it absolutely doesn't have to be doom and gloom! But it CAN'T just be avoided or shoved under the rug, or avoided again. That'll just create more karma.

Do you feel as if your fears are based in present conditions -- or echoing from the past? You might simply be keying into a past betrayal or serious hurt. It doesn't have to be repeated. It CAN be healed. You just both have to be aware and dedicated to honesty and love. Corny as that sounds, it's the ONLY way to end a cycle of violence.

Trust me. I've been there. Across multiple timelines!

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Thank you for letting me know about Kaali.It's okay.

And yes when i noticed that cDejanira is conjunct my natal vertex i figured it was a sign.Wasn't sure what to make of it so thanks for the intepretations.

Do you have any idea as to how i am going to confront those themes?What's the best way so to speak to confront it?

And about my fear,i can't really tell.It was very odd really because he's quite caring in this relationship.No signs of abuse of any sort and it was only in the begining that i felt that way.The fear has faded currently so i'd have to say probably some echo from the past.But i can't be sure.

Well the odd part is we have:
-uranus conjunct uranus(1)
-Neptune conjunct Neptune(1)
-Pluto conjunct pluto(1)

But he's 1.5 years younger than me,which makes it interesting.

As to how nPluto is position is my chart:
-It is square venus,
-Square north node,
-Square amor.

In his chart,npluto is:
-It is square his moon(if birth time is accurate),
-Semi-sextile his nessus/mars conjunction,
-Sextile his north node(3),
-Sextile his neptune(4)

In my chart nNessus is:
-Opposite my sun,
-Square lust,
-Square jupiter,
-Trine my moon.

In his chart,nNessus is :
-Conjunct his mars,
-Square his neptune(3),
-Square his north node(2).
-He has neptune conjunct north node natally as well.

If you have anything to add about the above aspects,please do so.Thank you very much.I'm still new at this and trying to figure it out.

posted October 04, 2014 05:03 AM            

For example, he has JUPITER there, which is 9H, and the chartruler! That's a helluva spot for a skipped step. Needless to say, I dug into it rather feverishly. Wonder of wonders, it's the antiscia of my nURANUS, tightly conjunct my MOON (1°) and also square my NODES; 3H, and 6R. While it's on the other side of the axis that revealed how the skipped step came to be, the resonance was clear.

Where we failed each other had to do with principles, orthodoxy versus unconventionality, and deeply-held beliefs -- almost with a religious fervour.

It's no mystery the contrascia ends up prominently mirroring the karmic theme of the tropical in the Draconic: CHIRON=TISIPHONE/HADES.

Whenever a pattern repeats and replicates itself cross-system, it's very active and significant.

To shorten a long and complex story, he and I have endured a karmic cycle of violence spanning lifetimes, timelines -- however you want to define time and incarnated soul experiences. And one thing seemed pretty certain in most cases: we didn't survive it. Often, it was something I did for which his belief system (JUPITER) would not stand. He was so deeply entrenched in them, too, I've often felt he felt that he had no choice (as oddly shown by his adopting a nDEJANIRA conjunct my nNESSUS, while his nNESSUS is conjunct my drDEJANIRA; not surprising given how much this life has become about karmic consolidation, clearing of negativity and blockages, and healing with unconditional love.

In our Dracos, where it's his nNESSUS conjunct my drDEJA, that's where we also have his drCHIRON on my drTISIPHONE -- but not drHADES.

Now it's my nCHIRON, that's conjunct his nTISIPHONE/HADES, in his 6H -- and my 9H.

See the pattern? See how it switched? It's an oddly mutual pain. My soul was practically screaming in agony and confusion over how, and why, and what happened. Things I didn't know; events which have been lost to the mists of time, obscuring any great detail. A story evolving over fifteen years, literally, in pieces; fits and starts.

CHIRON is the wound that will not heal, which paradoxically becomes the wounded healer -- with understanding and love. It can shed incredible light upon our wounds in general; incredibly so if linked to the NODES, and I'm becoming an advocate of it having a karmic relevance. Where our soul is unhealed and in need of repairing karmic trauma.

Seeing his drCHIRON conjunct my drTISIPHONE, mirrored in the reverse, on my SNODE, was just ... so illuminating. Flabbergasting. In that moment, I felt his pain. Rather than silently scream in righteous indignation, begging to know why, and how, HOW, he could do that to me -- I was able to understand the unspeakable pain it caused him, too.

And there's his nVENUS-KARMA, opposite 2°, conjunct my NNODE; square his 12H nNEPTUNE, exactly, which is conjunct my nMOON. 12H / MOON overlays are rough; a lot gets dredged from the psyche. His VENUS-KARMA and JUPITER are in mine; my MARS-MOON-URA in his.

Coincidence they're the way our skipped steps are connected in synastry via the mirror degrees? Oh, hardly.

As if that wasn't enough, my nPHOLUS sits right on his nCHIRON. But his nPHOLUS is smack on his drCHIRON and my drTISIPHONE.

Talk about coming into this thing with a built-in mechanism for confrontation!

And the one way the drCHIRON/TISPHONE mirror is linked in an astounding way?

1° conjunct cAMOR, on the MP of his nPHOLUS and my nSNODE. Wow!

Of course, it doesn't negate the nCHIRON=nTISIPHONE/HADES we chose for the present. (And do I even need mention my drLACHESIS and his drATROPOS being conjunct the drCHIRON/TISIPHONE-cAMOR? Probably not!)

After all, it's my CHIRON! ... And his TISIPHONE! ... HADES! Ouch.

Now, the following is going to get a bit more personal than I typically do here. Bear with me; it feels relevant.

Like you, I have no reason to be so fearful and certain of horrible betrayal -- reacting from a karmic place. He's given me no such justification, and actively wrecks any credibility I might have in being so afraid!

Ours is the first sexual relationship either of us have had for awhile. For me, about 4 years. For him? Nearly two decades. So we've both been battling many fears in this.

And ... I've had what I can only describe as flashbacks; like spontaneous 'other life' recalls. Not of a pleasing nature, either. Things I DON'T want to remember. And certainly not when so intimately involved! But it's as if we can't hide from each other energetically in that circumstance; we can't hide any other way very effectively, either.

Of course, I've not mentioned this. But it did cause me to detach, rather than bond more deeply. I knew that couldn't continue. Not when we were starting to make real headway.

So I did a strange thing. Whenever these odd images would start flashing in my 'very long term memory', we'll say, I held fast to him; hung on with all my might. Forced my attention to stay with him, here, in the present. It's a bizarre, decidedly disconcerting thing; I was escaping trauma I'd endured from him in some elsewhere or other time -- by literally clinging to him in the present. By bringing myself in greater proximity to him here and now -- on every level -- by holding on to him so tightly, as if to feel protected and safe, I was fleeing from the previous betrayals, violence, and tragedy.

It just happens to be the same soul; the same energy.

By making that decision, however -- that I was going to love the man he is here and now, to allow myself to trust him, to be what we'd failed to achieve -- I was beginning to embark upon the path to transmutation and transformation. Healing.

It wasn't five minutes later that conversation somehow emerged about how we were both mutually so grateful to BE here, now, to have this chance. And all we've done to get here. Now, and then, here, there, and everywhere in between.

He said that he feels that this, being together, is a reward. That we're somehow being rewarded for 'finally doing the right thing at the right time.'

I thought that odd. I said, 'when do you mean?' as I really couldn't pinpoint what he meant. That's when this man, in his learned science and yet, just as much educated spirituality, who cannot quite allow himself to accept the possibility of reincarnation or karma or past lives, looked right at me and said:

'In another life.'

As a kind of crowning glory, we have two odd aspects in our natals. His exact conjunction of MADHATTER and VALENTINE, and mine of ALICE with AMOR.

It's the final touch on the karmic theme, you might say. Finally doing the right thing at the right time: loving each other, unconditionally -- and completely.

posted October 04, 2014 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
So, nPLUTO is tightly square your NODES, by, say, no more than 5°? If so, that's significant. A skipped step. Anything which hits that point (or opposes it) in synastry will show what we failed to complete on a karmic level in terms of that relationship.

For example, he has JUPITER there, which is 9H, and the chartruler! That's a helluva spot for a skipped step. Needless to say, I dug into it rather feverishly. Wonder of wonders, it's the antiscia of my nURANUS, tightly conjunct my MOON (1°) and also square my NODES; 3H, and 6R. While it's on the other side of the axis that revealed how the skipped step came to be, the resonance was clear.

Where we failed each other had to do with principles, orthodoxy versus unconventionality, and deeply-held beliefs -- almost with a religious fervour.

It's no mystery the contrascia ends up prominently mirroring the karmic theme of the tropical in the Draconic: CHIRON=TISIPHONE/HADES.

Whenever a pattern repeats and replicates itself cross-system, it's very active and significant.

To shorten a long and complex story, he and I have endured a karmic cycle of violence spanning lifetimes, timelines -- however you want to define time and incarnated soul experiences. And one thing seemed pretty certain in most cases: we didn't survive it. Often, it was something I did for which his belief system (JUPITER) would not stand. He was so deeply entrenched in them, too, I've often felt he felt that he had no choice (as oddly shown by his adopting a nDEJANIRA conjunct my nNESSUS, while his nNESSUS is conjunct my drDEJANIRA; not surprising given how much this life has become about karmic consolidation, clearing of negativity and blockages, and healing with unconditional love.

In our Dracos, where it's his nNESSUS conjunct my drDEJA, that's where we also have his drCHIRON on my drTISIPHONE -- but not drHADES.

Now it's my nCHIRON, that's conjunct his nTISIPHONE/HADES, in his 6H -- and my 9H.

See the pattern? See how it switched? It's an oddly mutual pain. My soul was practically screaming in agony and confusion over how, and why, and what happened. Things I didn't know; events which have been lost to the mists of time, obscuring any great detail. A story evolving over fifteen years, literally, in pieces; fits and starts.

CHIRON is the wound that will not heal, which paradoxically becomes the wounded healer -- with understanding and love. It can shed incredible light upon our wounds in general; incredibly so if linked to the NODES, and I'm becoming an advocate of it having a karmic relevance. Where our soul is unhealed and in need of repairing karmic trauma.

Seeing his drCHIRON conjunct my drTISIPHONE, mirrored in the reverse, on my SNODE, was just ... so illuminating. Flabbergasting. In that moment, I felt his pain. Rather than silently scream in righteous indignation, begging to know why, and how, HOW, he could do that to me -- I was able to understand the unspeakable pain it caused him, too.

And there's his nVENUS-KARMA, opposite 2°, conjunct my NNODE; square his 12H nNEPTUNE, exactly, which is conjunct my nMOON. 12H / MOON overlays are rough; a lot gets dredged from the psyche. His VENUS-KARMA and JUPITER are in mine; my MARS-MOON-URA in his.

Coincidence they're the way our skipped steps are connected in synastry via the mirror degrees? Oh, hardly.

As if that wasn't enough, my nPHOLUS sits right on his nCHIRON. But his nPHOLUS is smack on his drCHIRON and my drTISIPHONE.

Talk about coming into this thing with a built-in mechanism for confrontation!

And the one way the drCHIRON/TISPHONE mirror is linked in an astounding way?

1° conjunct cAMOR, on the MP of his nPHOLUS and my nSNODE. Wow!

Of course, it doesn't negate the nCHIRON=nTISIPHONE/HADES we chose for the present. (And do I even need mention my drLACHESIS and his drATROPOS being conjunct the drCHIRON/TISIPHONE-cAMOR? Probably not!)

After all, it's my CHIRON! ... And his TISIPHONE! ... HADES! Ouch.

Now, the following is going to get a bit more personal than I typically do here. Bear with me; it feels relevant.

Like you, I have no reason to be so fearful and certain of horrible betrayal -- reacting from a karmic place. He's given me no such justification, and actively wrecks any credibility I might have in being so afraid!

Ours is the first sexual relationship either of us have had for awhile. For me, about 4 years. For him? Nearly two decades. So we've both been battling many fears in this.

And ... I've had what I can only describe as flashbacks; like spontaneous 'other life' recalls. Not of a pleasing nature, either. Things I DON'T want to remember. And certainly not when so intimately involved! But it's as if we can't hide from each other energetically in that circumstance; we can't hide any other way very effectively, either.

Of course, I've not mentioned this. But it did cause me to detach, rather than bond more deeply. I knew that couldn't continue. Not when we were starting to make real headway.

So I did a strange thing. Whenever these odd images would start flashing in my 'very long term memory', we'll say, I held fast to him; hung on with all my might. Forced my attention to stay with him, here, in the present. It's a bizarre, decidedly disconcerting thing; I was escaping trauma I'd endured from him in some elsewhere or other time -- by literally clinging to him in the present. By bringing myself in greater proximity to him here and now -- on every level -- by holding on to him so tightly, as if to feel protected and safe, I was fleeing from the previous betrayals, violence, and tragedy.

It just happens to be the same soul; the same energy.

By making that decision, however -- that I was going to love the man he is here and now, to allow myself to trust him, to be what we'd failed to achieve -- I was beginning to embark upon the path to transmutation and transformation. Healing.

It wasn't five minutes later that conversation somehow emerged about how we were both mutually so grateful to BE here, now, to have this chance. And all we've done to get here. Now, and then, here, there, and everywhere in between.

He said that he feels that this, being together, is a reward. That we're somehow being rewarded for 'finally doing the right thing at the right time.'

I thought that odd. I said, 'when do you mean?' as I really couldn't pinpoint what he meant. That's when this man, in his learned science and yet, just as much educated spirituality, who cannot quite allow himself to accept the possibility of reincarnation or karma or past lives, looked right at me and said:

'In another life.'

As a kind of crowning glory, we have two odd aspects in our natals. His exact conjunction of MADHATTER and VALENTINE, and mine of ALICE with AMOR.

It's the final touch on the karmic theme, you might say. Finally doing the right thing at the right time: loving each other, unconditionally -- and completely.

It can be done.

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Yes nPluto does square my nodes in an orb of 2 degrees.Well his own nPluto conjunct my nPluto(1),his nNorth node sextile my nPluto(2),and his nMoon square my nPluto(1)(but his birth time is uncertain.It's what he told me but it's not confirm).His nMars/Nessus conjunction also semi-sextile my nPluto(exact).

What do you make of that?

And thank you for the explanation especially the part about holding onto the present,onto who he is now rather than who he was/might have been in another life.It dug up some odd fears which i cannot explain,but it also comfort me because it gave me a way to handle the fears.So thank you for that

posted October 04, 2014 02:20 PM            

So how can I not try the best I can?

So it's definitely curious that you have the outers in 1° conjunction, given you're 1.5 years apart. I'd say that it's useful to look at how each of your PLUTOs might be involved -- as yours is the skipped step.

posted October 06, 2014 06:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I thought that might ease your mind a little. I'm glad it has. I wasn't going to lose the one opportunity I have to end this cycle of violence by being afraid and letting some weird transdimensional PTSD cramp my style. That's why I chose a different way. Oh, I still have problems and fears and concerns. But ... what can you do? He's learnt so much. He could be the most frightening individual with Hannibal Lecter-calibre psychological manipulation -- but he has such powerful ethics that he absolutely refuses to lie, manipulate or control. How can I not have tremendous respect for that? He's worked SO hard to become such a noble, principled person who's now been able to adjust his principles and values to improve HIS life, rather than abide by society's values.

So how can I not try the best I can?

So it's definitely curious that you have the outers in 1° conjunction, given you're 1.5 years apart. I'd say that it's useful to look at how each of your PLUTOs might be involved -- as yours is the skipped step.

I don't tend to do much with soft aspects regarding karmic debts and soul contacts. It seems the hard ones are the ones we should be paying the closest attention to -- those and the patterns that are created.

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Thank you very much for sharing you story with me Aubyanne.It really helps.I should do the best i can given the facts of this relationship and not whether there exist potential hurts in the past or not.

I'm glad things are working out for you and him.

well his pluto would square my venus(orb 3),and my pluto would square his moon(orb 1-if his birth time is correct.)

In addition to that,my neptune would square his mars(orb 3),just as his own neptune square his mars (orb 3),not to mention a square between his north node and my neptune(orb 1),as it is reflected in his chart with his own neptune square his north node (orb 1)

Any ideas?I'm kinda worried because i asked in another thread and Ami said that the relationship might become abusive because of the Nessus opposite Dejanira in the composite.

Thank you very much for your time in answering my queries.

posted October 06, 2014 01:13 PM            

Her Dejanera squares his Saturn + north node.

Both Dejanera's square each other

In composite:
Dejanera conjuncts Neptune both square sun
Nessus conjunct Saturn square Pluto

I just have a bad feeling, there are lots of good aspects. I just don't know how these negative ones will play out.

Any input would be appreciated!

posted October 11, 2014 06:20 AM            

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Originally posted by LuckyStar:
Any info on synastry nessus (man) opposite sun + neptune (woman)?

Her Dejanera squares his Saturn + north node.

Both Dejanera's square each other

In composite:
Dejanera conjuncts Neptune both square sun
Nessus conjunct Saturn square Pluto

I just have a bad feeling, there are lots of good aspects. I just don't know how these negative ones will play out.

Any input would be appreciated!

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