posted March 14, 2015 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
What's your Vorpal sword?

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posted March 14, 2015 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
One of my new concerns with MK-Ultra effects is what it does to the next incarnation's immediate past life recall.

Lets say N number of Alters have been traumatically induced, can the recalling person identify what was the alter and what was genuine? Would recalling a programmed Alter download the programming into the present and throw Kundalini off-balance?

Imagine the child of a couple who have MK-Ultra and Monarch Programming. Or for that matter any cult programming.

A recall into genetic memory would itself be traumatic.

This is why nobody should jump into past life regression, and why Astrology would be a safer mode of understanding.

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SO much of this resonates, iQ. It's almost like there are missing pieces here in regards to the 'story' that came to me at my first Nodal Return, following the spontaneous regression.

Would you mind going into more detail? How would you know if you had a lifeline involving such programming impacting this one? I've always found it curious how my Guardian suddenly, post 2012, became practically obsessed with 'healing humanity from the negative effects of mass programming'.

No, I'm not kidding.

What boggled my mind was how much that seems a perfectly logical objective for one if they essentially had such a lifeline dealing with mass programming.

posted March 20, 2015 09:04 AM            

Also.. 292929 is at 7 Taurus in my chart.. I know I have another asteroid there that I think may have been significant, I just can't remember which EXACT asteroid..

Wait.. I just realized.. My Draconic Jupiter is at 7 Degrees Taurus.. The odd thing about that is this.. I have Kaali(going along with those conjunctions I mentioned in my last post) Sextile Jupiter.

My draconic Chiron is at 14 Aquarius.. which would be Conjunct my Natal Jabberwock(which, once again, is conjunct Kaali and Parvati)..

posted March 20, 2015 09:34 AM            

Also, just realized.. My south node would be 5 degrees Taurus. Which, would be 2 degrees away from 292929(so that would be opposite my north node.. Depending on the allowed orbs).. My south node would also be conjunct my Draconic Moon at 4 degrees Taurus.

131313 conjunct Lucifer.

posted March 20, 2015 09:52 PM            

Slowly over time, I've been given strange insight into the likelihood that such a group of individuals -- organisation, agency -- some collaboration of people -- is operating in this capacity. Recently, post 2012, they started 'revealing' themselves as being connected to what I've come to know as Jabberwocky. Took me a VERY long time to put this together; almost because I didn't want to. But now I'm reaching a point where something is going on. Clearly.

My own JABBERWOCK is conjunct my PLUTO, 0º. My Guardian has it exactly conjunct HUNT in his natal.

posted March 23, 2015 06:48 PM            

This is why... I find this kind of topic, very complicated.
As I always say, to 'comprehend' certain things you have to be free of many pre-conceptions first.
And I tried to make it clear and said it again and again... but well, once again is not bad I guess, it must be part of my 'own karma' after all, so, I accept the task with pleasure, it doesn't really bother me

Sorry for not responding earlier , but it's been a very busy month for me (kind of difficult to explain) because, well, since christmas all Gyms are full here.
Perú is absolutely full of tourists and foreign people, and Christmas starts the Summer season here, crazy.
So, Sun shines more than ever and whoever who wants to stay or be fit is taking the pilates classes we offer. As obvious, most visitors want/need an instructor that at least speaks a couple of Languages beside English... and well... that would be... pretty much the best explanation for my duty here.

And since it is not my intention to live here forever.
~ I'm promoting Sports nutrition supplements too

lol

So, I have 2 jobs now.

Hubby and me are quite broke lol
After this crazy travel and... we are planning to leave. We (and friends) need to get some money in order to finally go back.

~ Quite a crazy story eh

posted March 23, 2015 10:03 PM            

Hi!

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Originally posted by Keela:
292929 2.05 Lib with IC, Orpheus, Ubasti, Bastian, Cardinal, Priestley, Humboldt, etc. And the supergalactic centre, obviously.

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Well, I'm going to give you just "clues" of what I see there. Sadly, I won't be able to comment about all the objects you listed.
Because I don't want to get more confused than I already am right now -
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• IC 2.05 Lib conj Ubasti.

Big possibily of presence of feline genes in your lineage or your immeadiate family. // Possibility of family members being interested in Joy, fun and entertaiment. Perhaps tangible objects that are Source of "Fun" are important for them.

( As I see natal charts as a whole and not as many individual points. If I'm right about the reading, more "similar clues" should be in you, like your ASC and your DNA ).

• 2.05 Lib IC conj Super Galactic Center.

Another clue related to what I said above.

- Nostalgic feeling may be present, because what the subject in question find comfortable as a place of origin (context/"people"/behavior/places) may not be experimented in the current incarnation or unleast until your 40's, 50's.
- Another reason of Nostalgia might be because your immediate family (IC) may not be perceived as having a "SGC" nature.

- Putting all together.

• IC 2.05 Lib conj Ubasti, Cardinal, Priestley and SGC.

Chances that your lineage has been related to Solar Deities, feline Gods from Egypt. Religious activities related to them.
Lineage/immdiate family with a strong Solar Plexus, wich means a good Health.
( If such qualities had been inherited to you, the clues should be in your ASC and DNA ).

But IC is in Libra... Hmmm...
Health may be found in activities such as Dancing, music, partying, Joy and entertainment, in other words. Socializing is very important for the native to experience health and happiness.

292929 in IC

So far... I can say very few things.
This is a karmic placement of course. Somehow related to fame and secretism. Aristocracy, karmic debts in family. Probably coming from long ago.

IC is a context, a bloodline, a lineage, a nation, family members... it's not really about you, but perhaps a big part of what has been inherited in you. Hence, what you feel as comfortable.

...Depending of what this 292929 is and represents in you.
You'll have to trust your abillity to discern about what has been good and what has been bad in your relatives.

But
Hey!, Even if 292929 points at the same, It's still in BETA! just don't overthink about it.
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I'll be back with the real theories I have about these asteroids.
- Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow... the time I find more 'Ice Breaker Mints' ( my favorites! )

~ To get my mind clear and be ready to dive into the unknown again...
~ Bye

posted March 24, 2015 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
Without intention to sound pretentious,
I'm pretty confident about my Good-Judgement skills, I think I can easily spot the virtues and limitations of some people.

lol

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Really? I'd say you're surprisingly lacking in that area. But, no further personal comment. I don't wish to continue your ad hominem attacks.

As to TISIPHONE, I've studied it extensively since 2013, and have developed a strong grasp of it. That was hard won, however, through my own research and reviewing that of others.

Your usage of it seemed curious. I enquired, given I couldn't see how it was helping you with your particular asteroid investigations. Hence, why I was asking how you're using it. In order to learn.

Can't believe you couldn't reason that. Very straightforward to me.

posted March 24, 2015 03:05 AM            

If you're finding connexions in this vein, I need to know. I've seen plenty of other applications, relating to its traditional or more conventional application. In this respect? It never occurred to me. I can't see why it even should. Such subprojects do not typically involve homicide, but mass manipulation.

posted March 24, 2015 04:09 AM            

11-11-11, Hmmm.

'Hmm', indeed, iQ. Maybe it's just the numerical vibration of 11, but it resonated with me in regards to Twin Flame research. So, I had to take a look. What I found might end up further supporting the Guardian theory.

My Twin's and Guardian's, respectively:

07º TAU 33 R
09º TAU 31

I find that a bit staggering, to be honest. These men were born seventeen years apart. A 2º orb conjunction ain't bad!

Mine, on the other hand? 17º GEM 50. And it stationed. As Ceri says, 'LOOK AT ME!' Oh, indeed, I am looking.

I find it especially curious that it's conjunct his VALENTINE-MADHATTER (1º) REQUIEM-ANTEROS-MELETE (0º) and loosely my PSYCHE (3º).

But what are the odds, I wonder, that my Guardian and Twin would both have 111111 conjunct at 2º?

Either it's evidence of the 'programming' in both, or 111111 might have a different denotation.

Moving on to ...

13 x 13 x 13 is the alleged Matrix or Cube for creating "Altered States".

If so, that's unsurprising, given my 131313 is conjunct my Twin's 292929 (2º). Can't say what I'd make it of it, yet. (And I'll get more thoroughly into the 292929 aspects later.)

My 131313, on the other hand, is conjunct my dSUN (3º) and dPLUTO-dJABBERWOCK (1º) and my Guardian's dSUN (1º).

As to 121212, it's conjunct my dMOON (2º), but out of orb of my Guardian's nSUN (4º). It is, however, conjunct his 131313 (3º).

Could 11-11-11 point to the actual Programming Cube, beyond which the Person can Deprogram [12 x 12 x 12] and then attain Self Mastery [13 x 13 x 13] ?

I'm fascinated by the potentiality of 121212 representing the principle of 'deprogramming', as it's something with which my Guardian has become increasingly obsessive.

His 121212 is 3º LIB 18, conjunct my SATURN (1º), JUNO (1º) and ALMA (0º).

My 121212 is parallel his SUN and VALENTINE.

So, okay, the one I'm not quite sure about is 292929. Nonetheless, it's definitely aspecting.

292929 is conjunct my Guardian's natal ARIES stellium in a big way; very tightly. Conjunct his MOON-NABOKOV (1º) and NYMPHE (1º), which in turn is conjunct my sidereal CHIRON (2º) and PREY (2º) and his sidereal TISIPHONE (0º) and my dMADHATTER (0º).

That's definitely telling; I'm just not sure what. But it squares my sidereal NODES (0º) so is clearly of importance to me.

What are we theorising that 292929 represents? Is it being seen as a 'marker' of some form of programming?

292929 is also conjunct my Twin's CHIRON (3º).

Definitely interested to hear everyone's thoughts here as we explore this topic with more depth. Needless to say, 'they hit'.

posted March 24, 2015 07:07 AM            

In my natal: (Dr. will denote Draconic chart contacts, though house is in regards to my Natal)
111111 2001 VO84 (14° Lib 39' 53")
Conjunct
- Pluto (14° Lib 52' 18" | House 10)
- 12477 Haiku (15° Lib 2' 14" | House 10)
- 7088 Ishtar (15° Lib 45' 30" | House 10)
- 5239 Reiki (15° Lib 53' 18" | House 10)
Opposition
- Dr. 2938 Hopi (13° Ari 51' 11" | House 4)
- Dr. 13897 Vesuvius (14° Ari 23' 52" | House 4)
- 136199 Eris (14° Ari 35' 16" Rx | House 4)
- Dr. Mars (15° Ari 11' 25" | House 4)
- Dr. 37471 Popocatepetl (15° Ari 23' 41" | House 4)
- Dr. 5535 Annefrank (15° Ari 32' 54" | House 4)
Square
- Dr. Ceres (13° Can 1' 50" Rx | House 8)
- 7066 Nessus (13° Can 28' 49" | House 8)
- 3053 Dresden (14° Can 31' 36" | House 8)
- Dr. 37117 Narcissus (14° Can 35' 15" Rx | House 8)
- Dr. 2200 Pasadena (14° Can 36' 30" SD | House 8)
- 8690 Swindle (14° Can 37' 10" | House 8)
- 9770 Discovery (14° Can 59' 51" | House 8)
- 33154 Talent (14° Cap 46' 3" Rx | House 2)
- Dr. 194982 Furia (15° Cap 17' 36" | House 2)
- Dr. 8275 Inca (15° Cap 24' 3" | House 2)
Trine
- Dr. 22260 Ur (13° Gem 12' 27" | House 7)
- 16110 Paganetti (14° Gem 4' 1" | House 7)
- 14959 TRIUMF (14° Gem 5' 2" | House 7)
- 1981 Midas (14° Gem 40' 6" | House 7)
- 129 Antigone (14° Gem 54' 11" | House 7)
- 1348 Michel (15° Gem 6' 15" | House 7)
- Dr. 2250 Stalingrad (15° Gem 14' 46" | House 7)
- Dr. Vesta (15° Gem 35' 56" | House 7)
- 1260 Walhalla (16° Gem 3' 50" | House 7)
- 5001 EMP (13° Aqu 20' 2" Rx | House 3)
- 542 Susanna (13° Aqu 56' 25" Rx | House 3)
- Dr. 4581 Asclepius (14° Aqu 9' 50" | House 3)
- 708 Raphaela (14° Aqu 59' 9" Rx | House 3)
- Dr. 212 Medea (15° Aqu 30' 24" | House 3)
- 829 Academia (15° Aqu 49' 41" Rx | House 3)
Sextile
- 10183 Ampere (14° Leo 18' 43" | House 9)
- 45298 Williamon (14° Leo 21' 48" | House 9)
- 600 Musa (14° Leo 21' 58" | House 9)
- 916 America (14° Leo 24' 12" | House 9)
- 5790 Nagasaki (15° Leo 6' 0" | House 9)
- Dr. 2677 Joan (15° Leo 20' 54" Rx | House 9)
- 8237 Constable (15° Leo 30' 23" | House 9)
- Dr. 1915 Quetzalcoatl (15° Leo 43' 18" Rx | House 9)
- Dr. 1419 Danzig (13° Sag 46' 46" | House 1)
- 8558 Hack (14° Sag 13' 11" | House 1)
- Neptune (15° Sag 33' 3" SD | House 1)
- Dr. 20000 Varuna (15° Sag 49' 56" | House 1)
- 121212 1999 RP5 (15° Sag 57' 26" | House 1)
Quincunx (and by extension, what this apexes as a Yod)
- Dr. 608 Adolfine (13° Tau 18' 21" | House 5)
- Dr. 28978 Ixion (13° Tau 46' 19" | House 6)
- Dr. 4034 Vishnu (14° Tau 5' 0" | House 6)
- Dr. 2174 Asmodeus (14° Tau 17' 36" | House 6)
- Dr. 222222 2000 FK15 (14° Tau 24' 35" | House 6)
- Dr. 2031 BAM (14° Tau 50' 43" | House 6)
- Dr. 2247 Hiroshima (15° Tau 30' 8" | House 6)
- Dr. Uranus (15° Tau 46' 22" | House 6)
- Dr. 29198 Weathers (13° Pis 45' 4" | House 3)
- Dr. 1157 Arabia (14° Pis 2' 1" | House 3)
- 2818 Juvenalis (14° Pis 2' 35" Rx | House 3)
- Dr. 11249 Etna (15° Pis 33' 7" | House 3)
- Dr. 3152 Jones (15° Pis 44' 40" | House 3)
So... just the fact it conjuncts my Pluto and closely squares Nessus is enough to give me pause. The draconic and natal asteroids that would seem to Yod my 111111 ... seem a little incendiary. I should also note that my Pluto is in a stellium with Mars (12° Lib 12' 41") and Venus (16° Lib 14' 1") as well, that and my Draconic chart is effectively a 3 or so degree opposition to my Natal.

May as well as check 292929 in my case and...
292929 2006 VO69 (1° Tau 48' 10")
Conjunct
- 228029 MANIAC (0° Tau 20' 31" | House 5)
- 118230 Sado (0° Tau 54' 16" | House 5)
- 2606 Odessa (1° Tau 15' 3" Rx | House 5)
- Dr. 2101 Adonis (1° Tau 42' 17" | House 5)
- 19521 Chaos (1° Tau 50' 0" Rx | House 5)
- Dr. 1912 Anubis (2° Tau 20' 56" | House 5)
- Dr. 5457 Queen's (2° Tau 22' 17" | House 5)
- Dr. 3325 TARDIS (2° Tau 34' 20" | House 5)
Opposition
- Dr. 1924 Horus (0° Sco 38' 57" | House 11)
- 875 Nymphe (1° Sco 25' 18" | House 11)
- 5381 Sekhmet (1° Sco 31' 57" | House 11)
- 1785 Wurm (2° Sco 33' 29" | House 11)
Square
- Dr. 3562 Ignatius (0° Leo 22' 47" Rx | House 8)
- Dr. 9781 Jubjubbird (0° Leo 26' 49" Rx | House 8)
- 3915 Fukushima (0° Leo 31' 25" | House 8)
- Dr. 886 Washingtonia (0° Leo 48' 3" Rx | House 8)
- Dr. 63163 Jerusalem (1° Leo 20' 4" Rx | House 8)
- 2254 Requiem (1° Leo 57' 28" | House 8)
- 37530 Dancingangel (2° Leo 18' 52" | House 8)
- Dr. 203 Pompeja (2° Leo 36' 17" Rx | House 8)
- 5 Astraea (3° Leo 8' 16" | House 8)
- Dr. Jupiter (0° Aqu 28' 40" | House 2)
- Dr. 774 Armor (0° Aqu 57' 27" | House 2)
- Dr. 27719 Fast (2° Aqu 11' 15" | House 2)
- Dr. 90482 Orcus (2° Aqu 16' 22" | House 2)
- 1724 Vladimir (3° Aqu 14' 15" Rx | House 2)
Trine
- 55555 DNA (0° Vir 28' 7" | House 9)
- 9305 Hazard (0° Vir 35' 24" | House 9)
- 3908 Nyx (1° Vir 24' 58" | House 9)
- 8000 Isaac Newton (2° Vir 7' 5" | House 9)
- Dr. 2857 NOT (0° Cap 41' 15" | House 1)
- Dr. 4092 Tyr (0° Cap 49' 48" | House 1)
- Dr. 4862 Loke (1° Cap 53' 32" | House 1)
- Dr. 21485 Ash (2° Cap 33' 32" | House 1)
Sextile
- Dr. 2601 Bologna (1° Can 8' 21" | House 7)
- Dr. 2046 Leningrad (1° Can 14' 39" | House 7)
- 4386 Lust (1° Can 18' 56" | House 7)
- 279 Thule (1° Can 44' 34" | House 7)
- 1120 Cannonia (2° Can 9' 9" | House 7)
- 78577 JPL (3° Can 3' 52" | House 7)
- 5352 Fujita (3° Can 11' 32" | House 7)
- Dr. 4464 Vulcano (0° Pis 49' 47" | House 3)
- 1027 Aesculapia (2° Pis 20' 16" Rx | House 3)
- Dr. Sun (3° Pis 14' 15" | House 3)
Quincunx (checking for Yod again)
- 443 Photographica (0° Lib 52' 14" | House 10)
- Dr. 2807 Karl Marx (1° Lib 16' 31" Rx | House 10)
- 19730 Machiavelli (1° Lib 59' 21" | House 10)
- 130 Elektra (2° Lib 24' 1" | House 10)
- 4946 Askalaphus (2° Lib 56' 35" | House 10)
- Dr. 999999 2004 XR190 (0° Sag 53' 54" | House 12)
- Dr. 10866 Peru (1° Sag 5' 47" | House 12)
- Dr. 32726 Chromios (1° Sag 44' 30" | House 12)
- Dr. 2629 Rudra (2° Sag 31' 20" | House 12)
- Dr. 149 Medusa (2° Sag 42' 18" | House 12)
- Dr. 6564 Asher (2° Sag 50' 8" | House 12)
- Dr. 6583 Destinn (3° Sag 8' 52" | House 12)

This one also seems... esoteric and volcanic, especially with the sextile to Thule. NASA over the years (see JPL) has been implicated in some of the conspiracy theories and rituals.

To my knowledge I have not been subjected to nor participated in such experimentation as Monarch/MK-ULTRA. I'll have to reflect on what I've found at a later time though, heavily overdue for bedtime.

posted March 24, 2015 09:13 AM            

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posted March 24, 2015 02:51 PM              

That aside when I first started reading this thread it kind of scared me too until I remembered that these type of things only happen because people let fear in. I think that its really sad that people are mind controlled but the truth is all beings on earth have a heart flame whether they recognize it or not and the key is to speak into the heart flame of all of humanity to make it awaken and take over and let love prevail so that these things may end.

posted March 24, 2015 05:18 PM            

Hi!
~ Found some mints! *Yum!*

( ~ Could GemBird solve the Mess She just occasioned? Hmm well, let's see )
- First, I'll try to "face" a big part of a negative and deceiving dogma. The kind of dogma that enslaves people with irrational fear. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the real key of freedom lies in the conscience of those who have to decide (or want to decide) and not in myself. Because I've already decided and my labor is just like a sender's (Mercury), nothing more but nothing less also.

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Originally posted by Keela:
Venus, under 2 degrees from 8 Virgo Kaali conj Swindle, oh noes, all conjunct or near enough ominous Thuban as well. However will I survive?

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Lol !

- I'll try to be brief here.
Did you know that in Sideral Astrology (also known as Vedic astrology) the Super Galactic Center is at 7 Virgo?

Wich means another clue in your natal, related to the very 'special connection' I already mentioned
Because your Venus conj Kaali will be also in conjunction with the Sideral Super Galactic Center.

posted March 24, 2015 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
oh noes,
Thuban as well.
Thuban as well.
Thuban as well.
Thuban as well.
Thuban as well.
Thuban as well.

However will I survive?

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• I will edit soon.

posted March 24, 2015 09:18 PM            

when it comes to Fixed Stars, I'm quite surprised about the accuracy of very ancient Astrologers as Ptolomy.

This is a small Fragment from Robson I just got from this web. constellationsofwords.com
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Influences: According to Ptolemy the bright stars are like Saturn and Mars. Draco gives an artistic and emotional but somber nature, a penetrating and analytical mind, much travel and many friends but danger of robbery and of accidental poisoning. It was said by the Ancients that when a comet was here poison was scattered over the world. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Mem and the 13th Tarot Trump "Death." [Robson*, p.43.]
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Wacky...

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When rising, Thuban indicates prospectors of gold and silver or those who are ministers of money (this might include accountants, clerical workers, cashiers etc. nowadays). [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.6.]
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• Well, to be honest. I think this is all the Copy-Paste that will be neened for Thuban.

* ~ Now, what I've noticed.

Sometimes, people worries or at least have doubts or questions about certain Stars they've got in the exact Degree of their Ascendant.

So, technically when Thuban is Rising, it will give a materialistic nature to the native in question. With a tendence to accumulate and accumulate their Gold like if it was their most beloved treasure. A greedy nature. Let's remember that in many celtic/norse/scandinavian/Greek myths, Dragons are assigned to protect huge material Treasures.
In this case, it should be, my nature. Because it's my rising star.
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• As some folks may have noticed, my relationship with money, It's quite 'peculiar'... because... I should be the worst Virgo Rising ever lol.
I almost can't tolerate strict and routine activities and there's no way I'm going to become a workalcoholic just to gain something material.
Being in charge of a Huge corporation, Having a huge house and an awesome car to mock other females or anyone else was never my Karma, I believe it is not in my nature... ( Well, Enjoying a trip in a boat could be nice lol - But only because the experience it has to offer... ) well I'm describing just how my mind operates.

And the money I get, literally disappears in my hands. Because for me it's very important to Rock on and Fly to live Free.

Without resting importance to Books and academic stuff. For me it's way more important to experience things on my own, to learn from the people I meet, and that's exactly the nature that has led me to visit as many places as possible. And money, represents the 'annoying' factor that is needed to move from place to place.
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• Anyone who has a certain Star in their rising sign, should also remember that They are more than just a Star. And it will hardly decide your destiny, your actions or one-self nature.

I'd say I'm quite an example of that.
Because... it looks like in the moment I was born "A big part" (not all, if you read again what Robson wrote about Thuban) of this (α Draconi Star Got "Trolled" by my OverSoul, who probably decided to give me a lot of the Gemini-Sagittarius Axis (and a Nice 9th House). Very clever OverSoul, in my opinion.

posted March 24, 2015 09:36 PM            

~ Does Thuban have a harmful Nature(?)
Is Thuban a Menacing Star(?)
If it is, against what kind of nature its Hostility shall Manifest(?)
Well, It's an Alpha Star. The Alpha star of the Draco Constellation.
Then, it shouldn't be very benevolent toward Human/Mammalian energies. (at least in theory(?) )

Where to begin?
• Looking at Event Charts ?
• Looking at People's Charts?
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All these questions were on my head, until I realized that it would be kind of pointless to analyze every year when Sun transits by Thuban. Because I'm trying to find clues about and specific Star and not something like a specific Sabian Symbol.
After being a bit confused, I knew that first I should be very calm. Then I asked for help and I could see things in a more clear way.

~ The conjunction of Atlantis with Thuban was what I was looking for.

It was the best place to begin to analyze Thuban.
Because it will tell me about the nature of the people that have a direct connection between Atlantis and Thuban.

• There are classic placements for Atlantis.
Such as the Great Attractor, the SGC, Sirius or Vega.

~ *But what about Atlantis conj Thuban?

• If the Subject in question has a Menacing/Harmful Nature toward Atlantis. Or has Heavy Karmic Debts against Lyran/Atlantean or Mammalian Beings.
This conjunction Should (in Theory) carry very peculiar "Aspects and Placements".
By checking this conjunction out, a BIG part of the Energy of Fixed Star Thuban will be exposed. Ms Vivian Robson would approve.

• As I said, a nice place to start to Dig.
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~ So, I started in 1900, but will post since 70's

• Conjunction occurred between July, 27th and 31th - 1970

No suspicious aspects as Venus Square Kaali, Actually Atlantis and Thuban Both Trine Kaali. Wich is in Taurus.
Many more Mammalian placements.

Conjunction occurred between June, 19th and 27th - 1977

Difficult to label as Negative/Harmful or Draconian.
There's a Taurus Stellium. Taurus again... hmmm...

• Conjunction occurred between September 26th and October, 1st - 1983

Looks a bit scaled
Because Kaali is right at 19, Scorpio. The Serpentis Degree (I will comment a bit about that later, but iQ's input would be better. Well, if it isn't already posted somewhere. )
What doesn't really match is that there's a conjunction of Venus and Mars with Regulus.
Between Such days there's a Cancer Moon or a 1st Decan Leo Moon.
SN in 18, Saggitarius
but not even as an agressive/harmful person.

• Conjunction occurred between August 27th and September, 1st - 1990

Not very Scaled lol. And also not harmful at all.
Natal lacks harsh aspects. Actually, it has 5% of harsh aspects.
Very interesting aspects tough.
- Because such days Sun, Thuban and Atlantis conjunct.
- Sun conj Lust ( But insanely well aspected )
- Sun/Lust Trine Neptune Exact and Moon in some days.
- Kaali conj SGC
- Mars conj Vesta trine Moon. Not even very agressive.

• Conjunction occurred between July 27th and August, 1st - 1997

Very suspicious, but not sure what to think. Since it's a Leo Sun.
As Atlantis conjuncts Thuban... these aspects are also present:

- Sun conj Adonis and Conj Kaali. Classic Vampiric Aspect.
- This conj Adonis/Sun/Kaali Square Karma in Scorpio. Not looking very good so far.
- Mars Squares a Siva retro.
- Neptune is the Focal point of a T-Square. It Squares Chiron and Vesta. Highly Suspicious.
- July 31th, and August 1st have Mars Square Moon. Agressive Aspect.

• Next Conjunction Starts June 22th and ends in June, 27th more or less.

Doesn't look Draconian/Vampiric or just Harmful - Conjuntion starts (June 22th) with:
- A huge Cancer Stellium - Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Mars and even Kama.
- Kama conj Mercury. Cancer
- Moon conj Regulus only in Jun 22th, then it's Virgo.
There's only one suspicious Aspect. But it's formed by Venus. Not sure what to think.
- Venus Rx conj Kaali is the Focal Point of a T-Square. Gemini.
- It Squares Isis in Virgo. Exact.
- Squares Lust in Pisces. Exact

• Finally, last Conjunction Starts June 27th September. Ends around October, 1st - 2010

Looks like the chart of an Aristocrat.
- Exact conjunction of Venus and Mars. Scorpio - Trine a Cancer Moon
- NN in the Sabian of YHWH . 7th Cap.
- Venus/Mars Quincunx Karma in Gemini
- Venus/Mars Square a retrograde Kaali in Aqua.
- More Tension for those Squares because:
- Conjunction of Venus/Mars also is conj Eros and Siva.
Not sure what to think about this last one.
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Well, it was my first research about Thuban. I've done it long ago. I should have added some Reptile objects as Vipera, Drago or objects as Asmodeus. But if I would have done so, perhaps I should look into comparisons Draco-Tropical.
Or even check out the Heliocentrics.
Too many objects, too many chart types and so little time... Hmmp!... pity.

Well, but...
To put it very simple.
In most of the cases (70%), I don't see a Harmful/Vampiric or Negative Nature. They seem nice.
The rest 30%, some of them look a bit scaled, wich is not bad.
Hmmm... now that I remember, I was a bit dissappointed with this research. Because I didn't really find "hateful/harmful" intentions against Atlanteans/mammalians in general. But it was deffinitely not the kind of Topic that you would ask about in some forum.

One of my big mistakes, it's that I assume everything is clear, nothing is scary. Everyone is self-sufficient, no one is insecure. Everyone is open to new Ideas (oh my, my biggest mistake. I've had incredible confrontation(s)?, disruptive conflicts with Fundamentalists lol )

But, it has not been in vain I guess.
I learn prudence. AND perhaps some folks want to hear what I have to say... even if they have to wait, because I'm a bit slow to tell things sometimes... maybe because I rarely have enough time.

~ I'm kind of a ... restless girl...
And no, I don't mean a workalcoholic behavior.

posted March 25, 2015 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
( ~ Could GemBird solve the Mess She just occasioned? Hmm well, let's see )
- First, I'll try to "face" a big part of a negative and deceiving dogma. The kind of dogma that enslaves people with irrational fear. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the real key of freedom lies in the conscience of those who have to decide (or want to decide) and not in myself. Because I've already decided and my labor is just like a sender's (Mercury), nothing more but nothing less also.

Lol !

- I'll try to be brief here.
Did you know that in Sideral Astrology (also known as Vedic astrology) the Super Galactic Center is at 7 Virgo?

Which means another clue in your natal, related to the very 'special connection' I already mentioned
Because your Venus conj Kaali will be also in conjunction with the Sidereal Super Galactic Center.

As per Swindle...
~ Bah ! Just, Forget it for now

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Yes, I know the Sidereal thing. Some say not to mix them, but anyway. I take the Venus-things with a grain of salt because I also have Laotse at 7 Virgo under 30' conjunct Venus, so it's basically a "You're just not listing or finding enough things yet if you only see the 'negative' ones". Laotse, Goto, Ask (first man in Norse myths as I recall?), Tyr and I forget what at 7 Virgo, between 6's Venus&co and 8 Virgo's Kaali, Philosophia & co.

While the much touted Sirius doesn't do much at my end as far as can tell, and the only Royal stars figuring are Regulus and Neptune on Antares as I recall, I doubt I mind some amorous hits on fixed stars. Even if it's Thuban with Venus, there's also Valentine on the Great Attractor and Lust-Ariadne-Sedona on GC. A thing for the alien? ;P (Sidereal Valentine at 19.57 Scorpio, sid. ASC 12.29 Cancer near natal Sirius & sid. IC 8.11 Virgo, so as said, I do these things one way or another.)

Coincidentally, glancing at the Regulus-thread, just thought that mine was at 29.29 degrees, too, if I remember correctly. More of the same.

I'll get to the earlier above when I can. My Thuban mention or "eyeroll" was more so at it getting listed in relation to Reptilian things (home planet talk) and some people freaking out at anything to do with all that. If dreamlife is anything to go by, have in a dream long ago (20+ years ago) seen "'all' the evil in the world" or such "pure" concentrated evil that anyone having "felt" something like that would know that if you're in any way sane or not damaged or whatever, there's no way you'd do anything other than run from it or otherwise not want anything such around. Evil is hideous. And it was dormant in the dream, so had it not been so it would have been worse still. Pretty much no way anyone would opt for anything "evil" if having "felt" how anything such feels. And yes, it was inside/under a pyramid in the dream.

I quite like villainous figures in fiction (and roll my eyes over the choices of good guys all too often), but I can't recall any dreams whatsoever where I or whatever character or figure I was in the dream doing anything other than being on the side of "good". Whatever the odds against, it's "built-in" or not something you have a choice about, in those cases. Even if given a supposed choice or whoever trying to tempt your figure over because of whatever rational reason, like the odds being against the good side, all that. There isn't any inner choice since "There are some things you don't do".

Guess the point is I'm not particularly impressed with scaremongering when it comes to supposed meanings of asteroids or other things in charts, or fussed about what other people claim something means if it's not what I'm doing. IQ elaborated on the Swindle & co. when I pointed out that it's rarely one asteroid only with planets for one meaning only, but since some things get a bad wrap whatever the case, it's easy to use as one example. With Fox&Nike cunning victories supposedly follow either way, so I'm set? Unfortunately I just have little nature for swindles so "winning" through something like that is out or beneath what I'd take. To be honest, I'm also not of the opinion that it'd screw up whatever "future lives" if something did go "wrong" this lifetime, since in my view it doesn't go or work like that.