posted June 07, 2015 09:41 PM            

Calling all psych experts...
Schizophrenia is a medical term with varying characteristics. I'm not a medical professional and cannot make a diagnosis, but I was told of someone who may have paranoid schizophrenia. They definitely have emotional issues which come and go with intensity. They are more severe during the full Moon, and are triggered by the moon cycles.

So curiously I took a look at the birth chart for clues.
Could paranoid schizophrenia in particular be shown in a natal chart via asteroid Maniac and Moon Exact conjunct? The conjunction is in Scorpio 6H.
It makes a square 2 degrees to asteroid Karma in Gem 3H.

posted June 07, 2015 09:50 PM            

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posted June 07, 2015 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Asteroid MANIAC (228029)

Calling all psych experts...
Schizophrenia is a medical term with varying characteristics. I'm not a medical professional and cannot make a diagnosis, but I was told of someone who may have paranoid schizophrenia. They definitely have emotional issues which come and go with intensity. They are more severe during the full Moon, and are triggered by the moon cycles.

So curiously I took a look at the birth chart for clues.
Could paranoid schizophrenia in particular be shown in a natal chart via asteroid Maniac and Moon Exact conjunct? The conjunction is in Scorpio 6H.
It makes a square 2 degrees to asteroid Karma in Gem 3H.

The Moon basically stands alone in this chart, no valid major planetary aspects. Although it does make a valid sextile to NN in Cap 8H. Thanks in advance for any comments.

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I would say yes, for sure. Check out the asteroid Madhatter, too. I don't have the number right now.

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posted June 08, 2015 07:09 AM            

What can I say, it writes songs!

When I am inspired it can feel like a manic episode. Probably if I were to be assessed during a period of writing, I would meet the criteria for mania, however, it is just with creative endeavours, as per the house.

posted June 08, 2015 08:43 AM            

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posted June 08, 2015 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Whenever a planet is conjunct sun I suggest you see it Heliocentrically

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posted June 08, 2015 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
Asteroid MANIAC (228029)

Calling all psych experts...
Schizophrenia is a medical term with varying characteristics. I'm not a medical professional and cannot make a diagnosis, but I was told of someone who may have paranoid schizophrenia. They definitely have emotional issues which come and go with intensity. They are more severe during the full Moon, and are triggered by the moon cycles.

So curiously I took a look at the birth chart for clues.
Could paranoid schizophrenia in particular be shown in a natal chart via asteroid Maniac and Moon Exact conjunct? The conjunction is in Scorpio 6H.
It makes a square 2 degrees to asteroid Karma in Gem 3H.

The Moon basically stands alone in this chart, no valid major planetary aspects. Although it does make a valid sextile to NN in Cap 8H. Thanks in advance for any comments.

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I'm not actually sure that we could see schizophrenia with asteroid MANIAC. As mania isn't necessarily core to schizophrenia. Schizophrenia appears to be somewhat of a spectrum of delusional symptoms.

posted June 08, 2015 12:36 PM            

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posted June 08, 2015 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Astrology is 1000's of years old. Psych, as a field, is very new. I trust Astrology much, much more.

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Modern psychology is, yes.

posted June 08, 2015 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Yes, but you don't need a whole chart just look at truenode.com
Whenever the sun is conjunct an asteroid in geocentric then it is also conjunct in helio, or rather it is conjunct or opposite the earth or at its node.
This makes that asteroid more important. It you have 3-4 asteroids conjunct sun you should look at there fixed HELIOCENTRIC nodes and if you have another body conjunct node of any that that is the stronger one.
6583,1181,3811 add 228029 to list

[URL=http://www.true-node.com/eph1/?inputNumber=6583%2C3811%2C1181&day=1&month=6&year=2015&time=00%3A00%3A00&zone=GMT+0&interval_num=1&interval=day&lines=1&calendar=Gregorian&zodia c=Tro]http://www.true-node.com/eph1/?inputNumber=6583%2C3811%2C1181&day=1&month=6&year=2015&time=00%3A00%3A00&zone=GMT+0&interval_num=1&interval=day&lines=1&calendar=Gregorian&zodi ac=Tro[/URL] pical&origin=Heliocentric&lighttime=Apparent&clock=Universal+Time&zodsec=D%B0M&longitude=on&nnode=on&perihelion=on&.submit=Get+Ephemeris

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I have others conjunct SUN, but these are the only ones within 3 degrees.

OK. Not sure if I done this right.
I entered birth data, selected "helio" and "show north node" and this is what it gave:

DESTINN NNode: 16'Aqu
KARMA NNode: 9'Pis
LILITH NNode: 21'Sag
MANIAC NNode: 4'Scor

So, I have:

SUN 21'Aqu (5' from DESTINN NN)
NEPTUNE 26'Sag (5' from LILITH NN)
JUPITER 10' Scor (6' from MANIAC)

Orbs seem a bit wide.

Am I doing this correctly?

posted June 08, 2015 02:09 PM            

Of the sample, (arguably small) bipolar I, bipolar II (cyclothymia) and the 'pure mania' subset of bipolar I.

I'm more inclined to agree with athenegoddess' findings supporting synastric involvement, where one acts irrationally in regards to another. Akin to a PLUTO/URANUS=MERC sort of energy.

posted June 08, 2015 02:22 PM            

I have the dual-conjunction with my twin ray, though widely (3º) of APHRODITE and MANIAC.

We drove each other crazy. Our attraction was (and oddly remains) off the charts, but we refuse to have a relationship. Nine years, and we can't even work together anymore. Say we'll take phone calls, and we don't. Go through periods of 'radio silence' on Facebook. Some days, I swear his mother and I communicate more than he and I do.

Yet, somehow, we ALWAYS manage to see each other, if either are going through the other's city. Always.

I do feel MANIAC may be valid here. We're both schizoid, and yet, the lengths we went to -- ohhh, the drama! -- all in the pursuit of trying to love each other. And failing miserably. He went from being laid back about everything to literally inventing women with whom he was sleeping to make me jealous -- and, well, eventually admitting it was a ruse.

I, of equally flat affect -- almost Vulcan or Borg in my approach, left some very emotional voicemails at the top of my voice. He called me crazy. I called him -- other things. In the end, we both realised a crucial point:

We drive each other crazy.

Neither of us WANT to behave in this irrational, melodramatic manner, and we've both come to accept we just DO that to each other. Why? Who knows! But we do.

Maybe it's MANIAC-APHRODITE. (My 1H and his 8H, incidentally.

posted June 08, 2015 02:28 PM            

I admit; I was obsessed with ensuring he was either stopped, brought to justice, or understood. I was young then. I had no idea what I was doing. He was a menace, to be sure, and had clearly chosen me to 'play his game', so I did.

posted June 08, 2015 02:37 PM            

Poor SUN is hammered!

Anyway, using Seimei's calculator:

posted June 08, 2015 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
An intriguing case study may help here, to illustrate the synastric 'benefit'.

I have the dual-conjunction with my twin ray, though widely (3º) of APHRODITE and MANIAC.

We drove each other crazy. Our attraction was (and oddly remains) off the charts, but we refuse to have a relationship. Nine years, and we can't even work together anymore. Say we'll take phone calls, and we don't. Go through periods of 'radio silence' on Facebook. Some days, I swear his mother and I communicate more than he and I do.

Yet, somehow, we ALWAYS manage to see each other, if either are going through the other's city. Always.

I do feel MANIAC may be valid here. We're both schizoid, and yet, the lengths we went to -- ohhh, the drama! -- all in the pursuit of trying to love each other. And failing miserably. He went from being laid back about everything to literally inventing women with whom he was sleeping to make me jealous -- and, well, eventually admitting it was a ruse.

I, of equally flat affect -- almost Vulcan or Borg in my approach, left some very emotional voicemails at the top of my voice. He called me crazy. I called him -- other things. In the end, we both realised a crucial point:

We drive each other crazy.

Neither of us WANT to behave in this irrational, melodramatic manner, and we've both come to accept we just DO that to each other. Why? Who knows! But we do.

Maybe it's MANIAC-APHRODITE. (My 1H and his 8H, incidentally.

I'll have to explore that further. Might just be an outlier. But, oh, what an outlier it is!

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I'm liking the benefit in ' 's.

I guess the crazy can be fun, if that's where you're at at the time.

posted June 08, 2015 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I'm liking the benefit in ' 's.

I guess the crazy can be fun, if that's where you're at at the time.

1st and 8th house though - two hamsters on a wheel trying to get away from that, I would think.

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Yeah, we'll likely re-attempt our own project several years from now, when we're both older, and it'll give Aaron Sorkin and Joss Whedon both a run for their money. (It was referred to as akin to a collaboration they might do. Witty, snarky, and, well, urban fantasy genre.)

posted June 08, 2015 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
YES U DID AND YES THOSE ARE FAR TOO WIDE,
however u might check perihelion and Show Ecliptical Ellipse Phase , and in helio like the nodes aphelion is alwasy oppo perihelion.

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KARMA perihelion conj. n.CHIRON (2')
LILITH elliptical ellipse phase conj. n.NEPTUNE (exact)

Seimei, I confess. I have no idea what we are doing here.

Although it is interesting that I was just talking earlier on LL about how I expressed my LILITH through life-modelling photography (NEPTUNE).

posted June 12, 2015 06:18 AM            

@Ami: you mentioned mood disorders with Maniac and that's a given in this case. I don't know the subject well enough to really understand how the mind works in this case. Madhatter makes an exact square to 4H Virgo Mercury. Mercury and Sun in same sign, not so good as I understand. The Moon MNiac conjunction doesn't really connect to anything else but Moon makes a 9 degree square to Saturn in the same sign. What other asteroids should I put in for Moon aspects?

@voixdelamer: you mentioned delusions. There are some and it's very difficult to rationalize. I think substance abuse plays a part and there is a certain stare that comes which makes it hard to understand what the mind is doing. The part about refusing treatment and holding down a job fits as there is a very real threat of homelessness.

@ lee loo: madness, frenzy?... Well the passion is extreme and very uncontrolled. It's very scary. But in a creative situation, music for instance, the talent is exceptional but not utilized.