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posted September 23, 2015 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hephaestus as Psychological Archetype

"One reason for Hephaestus' appeal to many men and women throughout the ages is that he personifies the psychological archetype of the wounded creator or artist - rejected initially by both mother and father. Indeed his mother Hera viewed him as a failure from the start, as she was narcissistically invested in him as an extension of her own ego and her desire to feel superior over her husband. Based on her attitude, we can easily assume that Hephaestus felt valued only for his achievement, for his work and creative accomplishments.

Unlike most gods who appeal to our lower natures, Hephaestus inspires our higher selves. He was the smith of the soul, whose forge birthed not only beautiful creations, but also represented the triumph of the human spirit, and its capacity to redirect unmet needs toward productive aims. Burning with an inner creative fire, perhaps due to sublimated rage and passion, he transformed raw and often material into exquisite objects.

Although physically deformed, Hephaestus did not reject the physical world; rather, he learned how to use it, to craft ugliness into beauty. Rejected continually by women, he nonetheless held internally the inner image of the love he sought, so that he could mold objects of his craftsmanship in its vision. He was driven by his own deeper self, was attuned to the collective unconscious, and capable of creating from the depths of his soul. As a result, his art reached deeply into the souls of his audience, who recognized its brilliance.

Yet sublimation and redirection of needs and drives is not the same as healing. Hera may have reclaimed her son, but her early rejection burned within Hephaestus, and her eventual acceptance was never for who he was in his own right - only for the products of his craft. We can therefore hypothesize then that Hephaestus was longing for his mother's love, which he never fully received. As Jungian author Murray Stein pointed out, Hephaestus was female-identified; his libido was directed toward toward his mother, toward the female as nurturer, and he had difficulty relating to women as partners. Indeed, when he attempted to seduce Athena, his semen instead fertilized Mother Earth, as Athena turned away from him.

Hephaestus was born with his feet facing the wrong direction. A female in a male body, raised without a mother's love, he nonetheless was nourished deeply by the feminine energies of Themis and Eurynome, in their womblike underwater cave, which nurtured his anima and enabled him to direct it toward creative work. But from the start, he created jewelry for his surrogate mothers, and later for the gods and goddesses whose appreciation he craved.

Sensitive to rejection and conflict, Hephaestus was the peacemaker who attempted to create harmony between his mother and his father, in the hope of experiencing in his interpersonal environment the atmosphere of love and union that he desired. But because love and harmony was unreliable at best, Hephaestus retreated underground to his forge. There, he could redirect his passion and experience the fire of creative union, over which he did have control, and for which he was indeed appreciated and honored."


reading this made me think of a few things.

it could mean the part of us that got rejected due to our flaws that were the cause from our past from loved ones and that damaged us permanently yet appreciated and honored by other people and/or the other person for our beautiful channeling energy within NOT external, despite of our present flaws. I think it’s the part of us that feels we can not trust anyone to love us unconditionally because of our wounded past. the other person that contacts this part of us. in synastry it would possibly reopen this wound and see our flaws and despite it would honor and encourage us to heal by making some form of art in order to heal, this activation in synastry could possibily mean that a 'healing' is taking present. but remember these flaws we have isn't our fault, these flaws are completely human and natural only something that we did not cause these flaws to happen to begin with. a part of us, our imperfect flaws, that was rejected from selfish loved ones or those that we believed that loved us but we later realize they were only just selfish and superficial.

flaws that you own that you cannot change and able to channel your love and this wounding healing into a passion, NOT a passion with a person, but a passion with a talent you own.

healing your own wounds by all of a sudden creating a form of art of your own. Bringing our wounding energy and turning that into BEAUTY in order to heal.

what are your insights on this particular greek god?
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posted September 23, 2015 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before checking where this is in my chart, I'm going to guess it should be somewhere significant since art has been my consolation & healing following failed love R/ships. It's really brought me out of the darkest times. Further, I feel it's the only source of recognition I receive from my mother although equally the disarray that comes with such pursuits fuels her rejection of this part of me too. I've felt acutely that inner wrestle of creating for approval versus true healing. My parents don't get more intuitive, less decorative approaches that Im good at and received approval for at college. yet a part of me always has this parental inherited sanction that art should be an aesthetically purposeful product. I actually think between the two is a good balance for any practice but I struggle with controlling that and bring controlled by it and have expended a lot of energy & pain on inner balancing.

That said, let's see....

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posted September 23, 2015 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't have guessed this.
Conjunct my vertex by 2
Opp neptune by 2
Opp vesta 0

In synastry my mums saturn is on my vesta, opp vertex and Hephaestus by 2
My jupiter is conjunct her Hephaestus by 2

My dads Hephaestus is conjunct my venus by 2. Don't know if it works this way around but even though he doesn't get some of my art he lets me have ownership of my path - says he doesn't understand some art so it's not as if he automatically sees my decisions as inherently mistaken

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posted September 23, 2015 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by florence:
Before checking where this is in my chart, I'm going to guess it should be somewhere significant since art has been my consolation & healing following failed love R/ships. It's really brought me out of the darkest times. Further, I feel it's the only source of recognition I receive from my mother although equally the disarray that comes with such pursuits fuels her rejection of this part of me too. I've felt acutely that inner wrestle of creating for approval versus true healing. My parents don't get more intuitive, less decorative approaches that Im good at and received approval for at college. yet a part of me always has this parental inherited sanction that art should be an aesthetically purposeful product. I actually think between the two is a good balance for any practice but I struggle with controlling that and bring controlled by it and have expended a lot of energy & pain on inner balancing.

That said, let's see....


i see, yes, then this tells me for the meaning of the asteroid could mean basically is the way we cope and heal on a day basis is our inner healing in creating some form of art/beauty/passion that we love and being honored and appreciated and viewed greatly for turning a wounding energy and creating that into something beautiful and magnifiscent.

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posted September 23, 2015 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by florence:
Wouldn't have guessed this.
Conjunct my vertex by 2
Opp neptune by 2
Opp vesta 0

In synastry my mums saturn is on my vesta, opp vertex and Hephaestus by 2
My jupiter is conjunct her Hephaestus by 2

My dads Hephaestus is conjunct my venus by 2. Don't know if it works this way around but even though he doesn't get some of my art he lets me have ownership of my path - says he doesn't understand some art so it's not as if he automatically sees my decisions as inherently mistaken


wow on your vertex that is definetely significant. i would've have guessed if your venus is conjunct his Hephaestus you would express your love,beatuy,art anything venusian towards his hepaestus possibily...and maybe even support and encourage him to delve into healing himself through creation. and yes he can relate to your art as you were saying and let's you have ownership of your path having to do with your venusian qualities, since Hephaestus does understand venusian beauty in art and can understand possibily that is healing for you.

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posted September 23, 2015 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Florence,

Do you think there could also be healing happening in synastry?

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Wow....felt like I was reading my life story, when reading his life!

Hephaistos aries@14.49 (7th house)
Jupiter aries@15.05
Pluto libra@11.03 (AC libra@7.05)
Venus libra@19.00 (1st house)

Pluto/Venus midpoint libra@15.03

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posted September 23, 2015 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what's very odd....3 of the most important/influential ppl in my life have Hephaistos in my SN. Their ages are widely apart!!
The step father that was so very abusive has Hephaistos on my SN in my 8th.

My mom when I was growing up picked me apart to the point that I felt like I was so worthless. I was absolutely convinced she hated me, there was no way for me to believe she loved me, she also has it on my SN.
Step dad and Mom were 3-4 years apart in age.
My ex is 6 years older than me...has also Hephaistos on my SN.
I just found another ex, 3 years older than me with it on my SN...this is weird, I must have some sort of karmic tie to this asteroid. The guy picked me apart in our relationship...

My mom has 100% changed, she is beyond loving now and goes over board to tell how proud she is of me and how much she loves me. She co stantlu tells me she thinks I'm so strong and amazing for coming through the pain we/I went through the way I have and grown so much.
The ex....always tells me how strong I am and how much he respects me for being one of the stringest ppl he's ever met.

I wonder if these ppl beat me down in past lives and have come into life with similar energy as before but want to change that?
It's taken my mom time to change but my ex told me I was an a genuis and angel the day he met me.
Now my mom tells me things like that...my step dad is dead! Whew!

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posted September 23, 2015 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
You know what's very odd....3 of the most important/influential ppl in my life have Hephaistos in my SN. Their ages are widely apart!!
The step father that was so very abusive has Hephaistos on my SN in my 8th.

My mom when I was growing up picked me apart to the point that I felt like I was so worthless. I was absolutely convinced she hated me, there was no way for me to believe she loved me, she also has it on my SN.
Step dad and Mom were 3-4 years apart in age.
My ex is 6 years older than me...has also Hephaistos on my SN.
I just found another ex, 3 years older than me with it on my SN...this is weird, I must have some sort of karmic tie to this asteroid. The guy picked me apart in our relationship...

My mom has 100% changed, she is beyond loving now and goes over board to tell how proud she is of me and how much she loves me. She co stantlu tells me she thinks I'm so strong and amazing for coming through the pain we/I went through the way I have and grown so much.
The ex....always tells me how strong I am and how much he respects me for being one of the stringest ppl he's ever met.

I wonder if these ppl beat me down in past lives and have come into life with similar energy as before but want to change that?
It's taken my mom time to change but my ex told me I was an a genuis and angel the day he met me.
Now my mom tells me things like that...my step dad is dead! Whew!


lol this was great info gabby. and yes that is very odd (yet i beleive its very significant)that your mother's hephaestus and setp father and ex partners. maybe it means that they came back in this lifetime to give you healing and be more appreciative of your inner beauty and strength and to put the shallow negativity you went through with them in the past. seems like it to me that in your past life you played the role of "hephaestus" and now that there the hephaestus and its on your SOUTHNODE could tell me that they understand how they had treat you perhaps and want to leave that behind and you are holding them back in terms of that or they are....cause i've read that when ti comes to south node connections in synastry there is always a sense that the node or planet person feels held back in terms of there growth..

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posted September 23, 2015 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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lol this was great info gabby. and yes that is very odd (yet i beleive its very significant)that your mother's hephaestus and setp father and ex partners. maybe it means that they came back in this lifetime to give you healing and be more appreciative of your inner beauty and strength and to put the shallow negativity you went through with them in the past. seems like it to me that in your past life you played the role of "hephaestus" and now that there the hephaestus and its on your SOUTHNODE could tell me that they understand how they had treat you perhaps and want to leave that behind and you are holding them back in terms of that or they are....cause i've read that when ti comes to south node connections in synastry there is always a sense that the node or planet person feels held back in terms of there growth..


Hmmm, I respect your research and appreciate what your saying but my understanding and research of the SN has led me to a somewhat different viewpoint of the SN.
Typically what ppl bring to your SN is what they need to finish up with you...so I would think it's them that feels they need to correct and help healing happen regarding mistakes they had made in the past with me.
Another example is if someone brings Venus to your SN they have a love that needs to be finished with you and the love energy they bring you will slowly fade as it's completed or played out.
So after these ppl help me heal from the past hurts they inflicted and they see me moving on from the hurt and actively healing their need to continue helping will slowly fade also. This is the way it's playing out with these ppl they do want to be there for me and support my healing.

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posted September 23, 2015 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Hmmm, I respect your research and appreciate what your saying but my understanding and research of the SN has led me to a somewhat different viewpoint of the SN.
Typically what ppl bring to your SN is what they need to finish up with you...so I would think it's them that feels they need to correct and help healing happen regarding mistakes they had made in the past with me.
Another example is if someone brings Venus to your SN they have a love that needs to be finished with you and the love energy they bring you will slowly fade as it's completed or played out.
So after these ppl help me heal from the past hurts they inflicted and they see me moving on from the hurt and actively healing their need to continue helping will slowly fade also. This is the way it's playing out with these ppl they do want to be there for me and support my healing.

Oh i see, i don't have really enough experience with south node connections so i can't really say much, so i consider your opinion very much and will keep that in thought very much so and yes i can see this playing out as you were saying now. Much healing.

i have this asteroid in my 7th house square my union in the 4th by (1), and square my sun in the 4th by (2).

in synastry my hephaestus conjunct my girlfriend's vertex in the 7th house by (1)
her hephaestus in the 6th house conjunct my DESC by (2)


i can definitely see this playing out in my 7th house as whenever i go through breakups or separations from friends or partner's or people very close to me i tend to retreat and create art or write or sometimes even write a song and there are times when i feel like nobody will ever unconditionally love me but i mean doesn't everyone feel that way at times? so i don't know..
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posted September 23, 2015 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Hephaestus in 2nd conjunct my Venus 4 degrees. I interpret it as I take emotional pain/Strife and create things.

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posted September 23, 2015 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angel4845:
Oh i see, i don't have really enough experience with south node connections so i can't really say much, so i consider your opinion very much and will keep that in thought very much so and yes i can see this playing out as you were saying now. Much healing.

i have this asteroid in my 7th house square my union in the 4th by (1), and square my sun in the 4th by (2).

in synastry my hephaestus conjunct my girlfriend's vertex in the 7th house by (1)
her hephaestus in the 6th house conjunct my DESC by (2)


i can definitely see this playing out in my 7th house as whenever i go through breakups or separations from friends or partner's or people very close to me i tend to retreat and create art or write or sometimes even write a song and there are times when i feel like nobody will ever unconditionally love me but i mean doesn't everyone feel that way at times? so i don't know..


Yes everyone does at time, that's very normal.
I also have Hephaestus in my 7th...and I also need to retreat after breakups and use writing as an outlet.

I have-
Hephaestus aries@15
Jupiter aries@15
Pan aries@15
Poesia leo@15
Sappho saggy@15
Psyche gemini@15

I love to write about love but the pain is typically there to, that must be Hephaestus!

(946)Poesia is the Italian word for poetry
(80)Sappho poetry, sensuality, and desire to merge sexually

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posted September 23, 2015 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ail221:
I have Hephaestus in 2nd conjunct my Venus 4 degrees. I interpret it as I take emotional pain/Strife and create things.

ahhhh good one ali

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posted September 23, 2015 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes everyone does at time, that's very normal.
I also have Hephaestus in my 7th...and I also need to retreat after breakups and use writing as an outlet.

I have-
Hephaestus aries@15
Jupiter aries@15
Pan aries@15
Poesia leo@15
Sappho saggy@15
Psyche gemini@15

I love to write about love but the pain is typically there to, that must be Hephaestus!

(946)Poesia is the Italian word for poetry
(80)Sappho poetry, sensuality, and desire to merge sexually


ahhh! i definetely see what your talking about since you listed your connections wow....jupiter is definitely going to expand that and poesia is a good one! going to check

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posted September 24, 2015 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
My mom when I was growing up picked me apart to the point that I felt like I was so worthless.
...I wonder if these ppl beat me down in past lives and have come into life with similar energy as before but want to change that?
It's taken my mom time to change but my ex told me I was an a genuis and angel the day he met me.
Now my mom tells me things like that...my step dad is dead! Whew!

Gabby... I'm so sorry you grew up in that situation, and I'm glad now that you will have the rest of your life with a changed mother.


I was not so fortunate in my life... I had the 'shredder' mom who was terribly jealous of me, and shredded any kind of nurturing relationship that would ever have the chance of boosting me.

Lots of words of criticism, and never safe loving touch or approval. I learned to operate in a thermos. Seeming to wind up in lose-lose set of dynamics with aggressive females. Bullies. I wasn't 'worthy' of possessing and keeping what everyone else got to have automatically have without question. If I looked like I was 'enjoying' something, it was taken from me. (Cinderella)

Would be given tasks without whatever I'd need in order to accomplish it-- and still expected to excel. *Hint of sarcasm* ~which lucky for me was 'easy' to do-- but at a cost!
dam/zap if do, dam/zap if don't, double-messages and held responsible/punished for both/either)

So I have a Ptolemaic-unaspected Sun in Gemini
in the Taurus 6th House (Venus 5th Opp Saturn-rx Scorpio).
My Sun trines Chiron-rx Aqua in Capricorn House 2.
Venus quincunx Ascendant
Mars Cancer

2212 Hephaistos at 9.58' Gemini,
conjunct 430 Hybris (the 'glass ceiling' {m.a.h}) at 10.09',
conjunct 1193 Africa 10.49'.

Hephaistos 9+ Gemini H6 is conjunct my SUN 7.50'50" Gemini H6.
Desc is 11.30' Gemini.

Have a Virgo Moon 24.56' intercepted 9th,
Moon squares the nodes 26/27+ in H1sag/H7gem
(SagAsc 11.30'; MC Libra 2.30').
Mars Cancer 2+ square IC Aries 2.30'.

I think the way I coped is that I learned to do things Right and well 'for me alone' whether or not a quality work was required. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well.
(Taurus 6th) Virgo Moon(9th) - 6th House Sun

My Scorpio dad had a good work ethic too. He used to build furniture as a hobby. I wasn't 'allowed' to talk with my father (mother's jealousy barred convo); however, I could watch him work in silence.
I took it voluntarily on myself during one period of time to regularly clean his workshop (sawdust). I wasn't thanked (nor were allowances given for kids either). After doing this a while, he got angry when I stopped for a couple of weeks because of activity in school. (Saying this, for relevant info about my chart.)
... Expected to do work (and other regular chores/volunteer) that I never get paid for.

It was rare when a word would be passed between us.... One day my dad had stained some little drawers underneath, in place where no one would ever see it. He looked at me, and spoke. Said how he went ahead and applied finish to the underneath sides of the drawers because HE + God knew it was there, and what that meant to me was that you love God soooo much that you WANT to do all the little-things that only He will know about-- it's special to do that. The image is still strong in me today.

Dad had Sun-Jupiter Partile(exactly-conj) 3.35' Scorpio with Venus Libra 27.58'58"
(Venus-Jupiter-Sun conjunction) Merc-rxScorp17+ Quintile Mars Virgo 5+.
Mars sextile the Sun-Jupiter

Uranus-rx Aries 29+
Saturn Aquarius 21+
Neptune Virgo 13+
Pluto Cancer 26+
Ceres Cancer 28+
NN-SN Aqua-Leo 5+
Juno Capricorn 4.30

His Sun-Jupiter on my Juno-rx 4.49' H11. (Amfortas 4.6rx)
His Pallas-rx 10.38 Hephaistos-rx 12.56
ON my Venus Taurus 12.37' H5
His Chiron-rx Gemini 9.00'38"
ON my Hephaistos 9+ H6
His NorthNode 5.43 Aquarius
ON my Chiron-rx Aquarius 5.19' H2
His Venus Libra 27+
conjunct my Neptune-rx 25.50' H10

His Mercury-rx 17.12 Scorpio
conjunct my Saturn-rx 16.22

I admired my dad very much, and he was well-liked in the community. Had musical talent. He had travelled to foreign countries on goodwill missions as the flight engr in AirForce C110s and C130s throughout his career. He was known for his hospitality and charm. His friends had said that he probably did more for international relations than the diplomats while he was overseas.

Dad also was in possession of a special box of Blacksmith Tools (Hephaistos) that once belonged to a great grandfather or blood relative.

My Hephaistos aspects--
Sun conjunct 2a
Uranus semi-square 0a
Neptune sesquisquare 0a
Chiron trine 4s
BML-Asc opposition -1s
Ceres sesquisquare -0a

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Amazing story Mirage! Your situation growing up sounds so much like mine, the jealousy and critism. Being expected to do things way beyond the norm with not even an acknowledgment.
My mom actually accused me of having inappropriate relations with my step dad after he left her for a younger woman, then she told everyone what she suspected. It was a total lie, I loved my step dad! He loved me, he was the only man that had ever not treated me innapropriately.
He just loved me as a dad would love his daughter. I was already losing the only dad id known and them ontop of that getting made to feel like I was bad or a wh@re(I was a virgin) and on trial, potentially to be kicked out of my religion(which was my life) for something I didn't do.

So mom took me out one night, I didn't realize where we were going but it ended up we were going to stalk my step-dad with his new girlfriend. So she could then go tell the elders and get him kicked out of the congregation. Since I'd seen his with this woman now, if I didn't say what I'd seen I'd get punished for lying and hiding wrong doing from the church.
They put him on lil "trial" before the elders and forced me to stand in front of him and say what I'd seen. It broke my heart because once I said it he was going to be kicked out and I could never speak to him or acknowledge him again. Tears where falling down his face as I stood there and stabbed him in the back.

He was my dad, I loved him with ever ounce of my being but I was told to turn on him or god would punish me for being an accessory to his wrong doing. I was 18.
My dad's new girl friend was 25, because she was close to my age...I guess that's why mom said that stuff about me?
After I "proved myself" by stabbing my dad in the back and breaking my own heart, everyone stopped talking about me, there was no proof anything had or had not happened between me n him, just her made up lie.
Me saying it never happened...meant nothing to them.

She was horrible to me all up until the past 5 years, I'm 39 now.

I left them all at 25, I took off left my husband and ran away with my 2 children they had to hire a private eye to find me. I turned on them and never looked back. Now that I've come out the other side thriving with wonderful kids and a happy life she's changed her attitude. It hurt her that I could just walk away without a thought and never want her back, I did not need her or want her at all. I guess she realized how much she hurt me.
She's apologized for all she put me through.
She just went through her 2nd Saturn return and she softened up so much after that.

So, back to you...with your aspects I kind of think your dad would be the one who would help you heal...does your mom square your Sun/Hephaestus in anyway, even her love/nurturing asteroids? Does her Hephaestus touch you personally?

As I look at these situations it seems when these ppl Hephaestus's touch us personally, at first, these ppl do tend to hurt but us then they come back and make it right. At least that's how it's played out with everyone who's Hephaestus is making a major aspect to me personally in my chart.
Which its very interesting that I'm finding almost every major relationship of mine, the big impact ones...we have a major aspect with this Hephaestus.
My Hephaestus doesn't necessarily touch them but there's touches me. So I wonder when mine touches them will I naturally tend to initially hurt them then want to make it up? Hmmmm......
The fact that my Hephaestus is on Jupiter shows id use that pain to raise myself to a higher place, expand myself instead of shrinking due to the pain.

Your Hephaestus on Sun would definitely seem to do the same, like your ego got stronger from what you learned and how you grew through what you endured. Also I think it would indicate dad would be the one coming back to you and making things right with you.

I have a unaspected virgo moon in 12th, funny how similar our moms were!
I used to be come home from 2nd grade and there was a list of chores written on yellow legal paper front and back to do before she got home. I would have to scrub grout in the bathroom with bleach and a toothbrush and clean things with toothpicks at the age of 8! Payment? Lol...i got to eat dinner and sleep in a bed that was my payment!
We would stay up all night cleaning at times and then I'd get up go to school without sleep. That was typical!

I feel you on the mom deal! I wish your moms Hephaestus touched your chart...so glad your dad's falls on your Venus!!
I think if her Hephaestus touched you personally that would indicate a chance that she might eventually change and want to see your value. Does her Hephaestus touch you at all personally?

Sorry for typos I'm typically on my phone and it's hard to see what you write to edit.

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Originally posted by angel4845:
wow on your vertex that is definetely significant. i would've have guessed if your venus is conjunct his Hephaestus you would express your love,beatuy,art anything venusian towards his hepaestus possibily...and maybe even support and encourage him to delve into healing himself through creation. and yes he can relate to your art as you were saying and let's you have ownership of your path having to do with your venusian qualities, since Hephaestus does understand venusian beauty in art and can understand possibily that is healing for you.


I was suprised because I've come to understand, from reading on here, and it does seem true, that vertex is what we attract to us. Anti-vertex what is what we are attracted to / put out there. But I do attract Hephaestus situations, if I see this asteroid more in myself than those around me.

With my dad, I recognise a kind of Hephaestus energy in him in the sense he does a lot which isn't always appreciated and I would love to bring out more of the creative in him. Hes designed buildings but won't coax that out more to draw purely for pleasure. Only the other week was thinking would love to get him some watercolours but he doesn't really seem to have that desire, although I think he'd enjoy it, so ... Yes, I wish i could give him that outlet that wasn't always applied to doing for purpose. Kind of accepted he doesn't have that or won't allow himself to, though.

With me, I feel even though he doesn't accept my tastes, he accepts me. Picasso is conjunct my venus and even though I don't love his art or think I'm naturally a painter, I think it represents that abandonment to creativity/expression/experimentation.

Funny that with my mum - similar to stories here - I felt extremely criticised until a couple of years ago. I stood up for myself a lot and it seemed to finally make a break through - she does still pick at me but we have a kind of working relationship now. Actually, my pursuit of art felt like both the antagoniser and healer in this situation becsuse it kind of echoed the approval-rejection dynamic in that she'd both praise me and criticise me. wow, that really was like a highly concentrated version of our relationship - that situation, including my soul being weighed up, it felt. But now, I cared about something more than deferring her rejection - maybe that was part of my standing up for myself and our renewed bond. Again, seems similar to other stories here.

Wonder if the (art) Critic is as much the story here.

Another thing similar to others stories, my mum did seem to resent the closeness I had with my dad and it often felt she tried to drive a wedge between us. I also tried to mediate during their divorce. Somehow, it feels this story is talking about that battle to merge the feminine with the masculine & the obstacles presenting themselves in various forms

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Wow....3 stories with mom resenting closeness to dad!

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"Hephaestus was born with his feet facing the wrong direction. A female in a male body, raised without a mother's love, he nonetheless was nourished deeply by the feminine energies of Themis and Eurynome, in their womblike underwater cave, which nurtured his anima and enabled him to direct it toward creative work. But from the start, he created jewelry for his surrogate mothers, and later for the gods and goddesses whose appreciation he craved."


I wonder if this asteroid would be prominent in transgender ppl? I've read before one say they feel they were born deformed...their body was not correct.


"Hephaestus
Son of Hera, God of Fire. The only ugly and deformed god. Makes armor and weapons forged under volcanoes."

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Beautiful thread! Very moving, deeply touching... Hephaistos
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Conjunct my descendant. My heart feels like it's been peeled right now...

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I have Hephaestus in 7th house.

Natal aspects:
Sun conjunct Hephaestus - orb less than 30 minutes.
Saturn square Hephaestus - orb of 3.

Saturn square Hephaestus may be seen as too wide, but if you give me a description of what you think this aspect means I'll probably relate to it.

The way that I personally think this asteroid functions in my chart: I feel unloved in romantic relationships and satisfy my romantic needs through a creative outlet. In my case, I satisfy it in writing.

This is more like an old wound though. I have a wonderful boyfriend that satisfies me romantically. But, sometimes he reopens the wound unintentionally. Although he does a fantastic job of healing the damage he causes, sometimes I still question if he loves me for who I am. No one else has, so I question if he is able to. I love him so much though I focus more on letting him love me instead of constantly questioning whether he really does.

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posted September 24, 2015 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by florence:
I was suprised because I've come to understand, from reading on here, and it does seem true, that vertex is what we attract to us. Anti-vertex what is what we are attracted to / put out there. But I do attract Hephaestus situations, if I see this asteroid more in myself than those around me.

With my dad, I recognise a kind of Hephaestus energy in him in the sense he does a lot which isn't always appreciated and I would love to bring out more of the creative in him. Hes designed buildings but won't coax that out more to draw purely for pleasure. Only the other week was thinking would love to get him some watercolours but he doesn't really seem to have that desire, although I think he'd enjoy it, so ... Yes, I wish i could give him that outlet that wasn't always applied to doing for purpose. Kind of accepted he doesn't have that or won't allow himself to, though.

With me, I feel even though he doesn't accept my tastes, he accepts me. Picasso is conjunct my venus and even though I don't love his art or think I'm naturally a painter, I think it represents that abandonment to creativity/expression/experimentation.

Funny that with my mum - similar to stories here - I felt extremely criticised until a couple of years ago. I stood up for myself a lot and it seemed to finally make a break through - she does still pick at me but we have a kind of working relationship now. Actually, my pursuit of art felt like both the antagoniser and healer in this situation becsuse it kind of echoed the approval-rejection dynamic in that she'd both praise me and criticise me. wow, that really was like a highly concentrated version of our relationship - that situation, including my soul being weighed up, it felt. But now, I cared about something more than deferring her rejection - maybe that was part of my standing up for myself and our renewed bond. Again, seems similar to other stories here.

Wonder if the (art) Critic is as much the story here.

Another thing similar to others stories, my mum did seem to resent the closeness I had with my dad and it often felt she tried to drive a wedge between us. I also tried to mediate during their divorce. Somehow, it feels this story is talking about that battle to merge the feminine with the masculine & the obstacles presenting themselves in various forms


Agree about the vertex. yeah this information really helped me a lot about how your venus conjunct his H could manifest, that's how i imagined it to be how you were explaining. I wonder that too if the Art Critic could be related to this asteroid as well and the masculine and feminine obstacles i see are present with this story, yes i agree. it's nice to know and really analyze how this asteroid could interplay in synastry.

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posted September 24, 2015 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lerena:
I have Hephaestus in 7th house.

Natal aspects:
Sun conjunct Hephaestus - orb less than 30 minutes.
Saturn square Hephaestus - orb of 3.

Saturn square Hephaestus may be seen as too wide, but if you give me a description of what you think this aspect means I'll probably relate to it.

The way that I personally think this asteroid functions in my chart: I feel unloved in romantic relationships and satisfy my romantic needs through a creative outlet. In my case, I satisfy it in writing.

This is more like an old wound though. I have a wonderful boyfriend that satisfies me romantically. But, sometimes he reopens the wound unintentionally. Although he does a fantastic job of healing the damage he causes, sometimes I still question if he loves me for who I am. No one else has, so I question if he is able to. I love him so much though I focus more on letting him love me instead of constantly questioning whether he really does.


do you have Hephaestus in synastry with your boyfriend? i agree with your insight i wonder where you have this in synastry with him...

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Originally posted by angel4845:
do you have Hephaestus in synastry with your boyfriend? i agree with your insight i wonder where you have this in synastry with him...

His Hephaestus conjuncts my Moon - orb less than 30 minutes
My Hephaestus trines his Moon - orb less than 1
My Hephaestus squares his Vertex - orb of 1
My Hephaestus trines his Part - orb less than 20 minutes
My Hephaestus square his Constantia - orb of 1

Also, I like to think that Part isn't necessarily meant in a negative context. I meant it in one when I looked at it before, but it doesn't have to mean separation. My boyfriend and I have an extremely tight trine: my Sun trine his Part. This trine is only seconds apart. I think Part is more likely to have a negative meaning if the aspect is a square. At least, I'm hoping that Part can be interpreted positively. I interpret my Sun trine his Part as a deep connection: we're part of each other. So, perhaps he's part of my creative outlet. He has often suggested ideas for my writing.

Constantia means lastingness. It's a relationship asteroid, so I'm not sure how it would combine with Hephaestus.

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