posted July 01, 2019 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Nichole Simpson has it conjunct her sun by 2d and she was murdered by OJ.

Also a past client of mine has it conjunct her sun very tightly and her juno tightly as well, her stepfather abused her but she seems to bond with her abusers perhaps juno there does that, she is staying with her father who is I feel manipulative, selfish and immature. I won't go into details bc I can't but both father figures in her life step dad who is now in jail and her biological father work hard to brainwash her and put her against her mother with whom as a result she has a super hard time having a decent relationship with. That client also had moon conjunct dejanira.

I am not convinced that Nessus means you are the abuser, what I am seeing is that it can be that but it can also be that you hold onto grudges and don't forgive, are vindictive or were abused yourself and then acted out or that you attract abuse. Nessus can indicate you were abused, Dejanira if prominent gives that victim mentality or makes you really passive, anxiety prone with low self worth so if both nessus and dejanira are prominent it is like a double confirmation that abuse took place and that it left a scar and made a psychological impact that will be hard to overcome.

All I am saying is that Nessus is more dynamic than I thought in a chart.

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i actually really appreciate this post because a lot of people paint nessus in this one particular way that's not quite what it is

i have it conjunct my sun by 2 degrees (it's at 28 degrees leo, 11th house in my chart along with a couple asteroids on the same degree tyche and kaali i also have sisyphus and rudra conjunct my sun) i have a pretty intimate knowledge of abuse and i know i'm perfectly capable of really destroying a person in a lot of ways if i were so inclined

i've experienced so much **** that i know pressure points, i know where to pick what to pick and i can sense weakness in other people easily

i know what will leave permanent damage and eat away at someone and what won't etc and so on

there's always a small part of me that i have to push down that wants to rip someone apart when i sense too much weakness (emotional weakness in particular) coming off them

i have a hard time with empathy on any level if someone makes me feel that way even if i like them otherwise

i think it's a matter of me being abused into finding open displays of certain emotions and weakness distasteful, which is a me issue not a them issue so i don't act on it (because it wouldn't be right or fair to them and it would be harmful, but not because i would feel guilty or bothered by hurting them i'd likely feel next to nothing)

it all runs much deeper than that, but it'd take a long time to explain all the finer points of abuse and nessus and life etc

posted July 01, 2019 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by FireVirgo:
New question:

How would Nessus conjunct Venus in COMPOSITE, play out?

(I can find natal & synastry interpretations but not composite)

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you need to look at the aspects. if there are dard aspects to pluto/satrun/chiron/orcus,it might bode a abusive relationship. it could show that she has a abusive history.
conjunction with nessus can give great personal regenerative strength if not badly afflicted.like always you need to consider the entire chart.

posted August 04, 2019 02:50 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I am not convinced that Nessus means you are the abuser, what I am seeing is that it can be that but it can also be that you hold onto grudges and don't forgive, are vindictive or were abused yourself and then acted out or that you attract abuse. Nessus can indicate you were abused, Dejanira if prominent gives that victim mentality or makes you really passive, anxiety prone with low self worth so if both nessus and dejanira are prominent it is like a double confirmation that abuse took place and that it left a scar and made a psychological impact that will be hard to overcome.

All I am saying is that Nessus is more dynamic than I thought in a chart.

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Personally I have observed that Nessus relates to someone feeling that certain injustices happened to them and they might have a hard time to let go of resentment. They might focus on how others wronged them instead of moving on, and even thinking of revenge either by them or other ways.

The past few years I also experienced this pattern myself. I went through a very hard time in my life. Have been going with Pluto and Saturn squares transits, and NN aspecting my natal Nessus square Saturn/Pluto midpoint.
It was very hard, and other people made it even harder in my most vulnerable time. All the pressure and physiological changes, all the insecurities and wondering when I can’t hang on anymore, I resented those who made it even worse, as well as all the repression I didn’t know was there.

It was a hard time to face my own ugly side and learn how to be stronger and keep going. I also learned more about resentment, tried hard to have compassion and empathy which helped myself to go past resentment. I do still feel angry and resent what happened, but this is a lesson that made me stronger.
It somehow also gave me a drive and empathy to help those who goes through similar situation.
I’m currently seeking out tools to help me deal with my feelings and get better, I guess my Aries stellium gives me strength that always want to improve.

posted September 25, 2019 11:23 AM            

First of all, there is no abuse what so ever to speak about in this life. The only case may be a sexual message sent to an emotional vampire who then became shocked and disturbed. In that sense there was a two-folded abuse: My message was somewhat 'abusive' to her if we care to consider radical sag-mars truth-telling as abusive, and her emotional vampyrism was abusive if we consider misdirected energy-use due to abandonment issues as abusive.

What captivates my interest more than the furious focus on Abuse is the Sabian degree for Nessus which carries the symbol:

"A LARGE CAMEL IS SEEN CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT"
Self-sufficiency in the face of a long and exhausting adventure
KEYWORD: TOTAL INDEPENDENCE / SELF-RELIANCE

Now, this makes sense to me, because up until basically my age now (33), the 5th house area of my life have definitely been a case of 'traversing the desert' much more than it's been about Abuse. Equally, this journey have resulted in serious work with establishing an emotional 'total independence' and 'self-sufficiency'.

I have now traversed this desert, it seems (knock on wood).
But before this traversal, I was faced with the mirage of a 'false twin', sparking the final 'wrapping up' of this journey. After this mirage was passed, I have reached a city where opportunities are now bountiful, and my suspicion is that I have now met the real twin in this city.

I have a note on Nessus that states:

"Nessus is related with the inner opening towards the connection with the Soul and the development of inner firmness to act according to its will."

From http://transneptunian-astrology.blogspot. com/2016/03/nessus--establishing-contact-with-the-soul-and-acting-according-to-its-will.html

Now, people can say/believe what they want, but as far as I am concerned, experiences of ABUSE stand in direct connection to ones karmic balancing, and in that sense we need to understand the current lifetime as the 'midpoint' between past and future soul development. This balancing is related to ones Soul Maturation Process which we can associate, as the note says, to THE SOULS DEVELOPMENT OF INNER FIRMNESS.

There is no way in hell I will state that abuse of any kind is a 'good' thing, but I want to reiterate that I find it of utmost importance for transference of astrological interpretation (astrologer->client) that things are not taken at FACE VALUE as opposed to UNDERSTOOD IN DEPTH. There is a huge difference in my opinion in the statement that "YOU WILL SUFFER ABUSE!!!" and "YOU WILL PERHAPS EXPERIENCE ABUSE, AND THIS EXPERIENCE IS THERE TO MAKE YOUR SOUL STRONG. THIS IS HOW YOUR ASTROLOGICAL MAKEUP WILL AID YOU IN THIS SOUL-STRENGTHENING WORK: [INSERT SUGGESTION BASED ON OVERALL CHART INTERPRETATION].

It seems to me that NESSUS is a highly important key in terms of the specific persons spiritual maturation process, and unfortunately for many this means being faced with abusive experiences. This is the lay of our land, as our entire history of existence sufficiently demonstrate.

We can apply this approach to both the Abuser and the Abused.

The Abuser is doing something that is relatively horrible from a 3D perspective, but from a higher level understanding it is about (1) enabling Choice for the collective (the ability to CHOOSE good over evil), and (2) it is about them playing out a karmic role for which they will later repay their accumulated debt.

In any case, I think we must remain cognizant of the fact that the function of each and every individual, is to aid the process of collective spiritual development.
To aid in this process must also be the conscious will of the astrologer in my opinion, and simply equating Nessus with abuse, without considering the larger picture, to me means that ONE DO NOT aid as much as ONE COULD.

posted September 26, 2019 02:40 PM            

I have someone’s Nessus conjunct my NN. I never had it before.

In another relationship I had his Prey conjunct my NN and during that relationship I felt like I was prey.

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posted October 02, 2019 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Correction Nichole Simpson has:

Nessus in Taurus @25d04
Sun in Taurus @27d20
Dejanira in Cancer @28d10
Jupiter in Scorpio @27d06

So nessus conjunct sun around 2d on Algol with Dejanira sextile her Sun under 1d.

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Hypatia, I'm extremely curious about the placement of asteroid Heracles(5143) in hers and OJ's chart.

I'm asking because Heracles might have more involvement with whether Nessus abuses or not.

I'm looking at my own synastry with my partner and I have Nessus conjunct a personal planet opposite Partner's Dejanira. Partner's Nessus is conjunct their personal planet and my Dejanira.

With those aspects, we should be abusive towards each other yet we're not. I looked at Heracles; mine is in Trine with Partner's Nessus. Partner's Heracles is Quincunx to my Nessus.

posted October 20, 2019 04:21 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesLilith:
Personally I have observed that Nessus relates to someone feeling that certain injustices happened to them and they might have a hard time to let go of resentment. They might focus on how others wronged them instead of moving on, and even thinking of revenge either by them or other ways.

The past few years I also experienced this pattern myself. I went through a very hard time in my life. Have been going with Pluto and Saturn squares transits, and NN aspecting my natal Nessus square Saturn/Pluto midpoint.
It was very hard, and other people made it even harder in my most vulnerable time. All the pressure and physiological changes, all the insecurities and wondering when I can’t hang on anymore, I resented those who made it even worse, as well as all the repression I didn’t know was there.

It was a hard time to face my own ugly side and learn how to be stronger and keep going. I also learned more about resentment, tried hard to have compassion and empathy which helped myself to go past resentment. I do still feel angry and resent what happened, but this is a lesson that made me stronger.
It somehow also gave me a drive and empathy to help those who goes through similar situation.
I’m currently seeking out tools to help me deal with my feelings and get better, I guess my Aries stellium gives me strength that always want to improve.

But I’ve seen this theme of feeling wronged and not letting go on a few others around me. It sometimes bothers me, even before what happened, because I often have a proactive way of dealing with my own problems. On the other hand I can empathize with their pain. Some are in a place where they can’t move on and continuously see other people as ones who wronged them. Which can be true but if they don’t shift focus on what they can do about it instead of what others should do, they might not be able to be released.

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I think I have Nessus sextile my Sun. I wonder where it's transiting.

I've been through a lot (for me, anyhow), and I have had trouble letting go of things. I think it's because it was too much, all at once, and was ongoing. There was no breathing room, or not much.

posted November 30, 2019 11:06 AM            

In this case, the person may be abused cuz the Moon is a yin planet. However, they could be involved in some nefarious things. However, it does not mean you will.

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posted November 30, 2019 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think I have Nessus sextile my Sun. I wonder where it's transiting.

I've been through a lot (for me, anyhow), and I have had trouble letting go of things. I think it's because it was too much, all at once, and was ongoing. There was no breathing room, or not much.

I'm not one for vengeance, I don't want to hurt anyone. I have tried to let go of pain/worries/insecurities around certain things, because when I hear that the other person is experiencing a bad time or trouble, I actually feel bad for them. That sounds as crazy as wanting vengeance. But trauma can do its thing to your brain, and your heart.

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posted December 13, 2019 09:20 PM            

Heracles was present when Nessus carried Dejanira across the river. Dejanira was terrified of the river because it was swollen and dangerous, and she was afraid of of centaurs in general, not specifically Nessus ("gave his bride of Calydonis [Deianira of Calydon], pale and afraid, dreading the river, dreading the Centaurus (Centaur) too.").

Heracles threw his club and bow to the other side of the river and crossed over prior to Nessus and Dejanira.

Here we pick up what happens next (note that Heracles believed Nessus was going to run off with Dejanira, he didn't actually SEE Nessus do anything to her except try to flee with her:

"And now on the far bank and stooping for the bow he'd thrown, he heard a voice, his wife's, calling and sure that Nessus had in mind a breach of trust,"

It is also believed by many that Nessus raped Dejanira. As we all know, Dejanira ends up killing Heracles with a poison shirt she received from Nessus, believing him when he said it was a love potion. but If Nessus raped Dejanira, the story doesn't make sense for a couple of reasons:

1. Heracles was present, and Nessus was carrying Dejanira across the rivers on his back, which means Nessus would have raped Dejanira in the middle of a swollen, dangerous river in the presence of her husband...
2. If Nessus did rape Dejanira, why would she accept a love potion from him, no matter what he said?

Here is the entire article that I read

"Ovid, Metamorphoses 9. 101 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :

"Savage Nessus lost his life for love of that same lady [Deianeira], when an arrow flew to pierce his side.

When Jove's [Zeus'] son [Heracles], was making for his native city's walls with his new bride, he reached the rushing waters of broad Evenus, high beyond its wont. The river, swollen by the winter's rains and full of whirlpools, poured impassable. And as he stood there, fearless for himself but anxious for his wife, Nessus approached, mighty in muscle and knowing the fords well. ‘With my help she'll stand safe on the far side,’ he volunteered: ‘You, use your strength and swim!’

To Nessus then Aonius [Heracles of Aonia, i.e. Thebes] gave his bride of Calydonis [Deianira of Calydon], pale and afraid, dreading the river, dreading the Centaurus (Centaur) too. And then, just as he was, with all the weight of lion-skin and quiver (club and bow he's thrown across), ‘Since I've begun,’ he cried, ‘I'll beat one river more!’ and never paused to take his time or pick the kindest water, and scorned to use the current's services.

And now on the far bank and stooping for the bow he'd thrown, he heard a voice, his wife's, calling and sure that Nessus had in mind a breach of trust, ‘You raping ravisher!’ he cried, ‘Where are you going? So confident in your four feet! Nessus Two-Formed (biformis), listen! Hold off from me and mine. Maybe you feel no dread of me--at least your father's [Ixion's] wheel should hold you back from lust and lechery. Trust horse-strength if you will, you'll not escape. With wounds not feet I'll follow!’

His last words were proved at once: an arrow flew and pierced the fleeing centaur's back: out from his breast the barbed point stuck. He wrenched the shaft away, and blood from both wounds spurted, blood that bore the Lernaean's [Hydra's] poison. Nessus caught it up. ‘I'll not die unavenged,’ he thought and gave his shirt soaked in warm gore to Deianira, a talisman, he said, to kindle love . . .
[Years later Deianeira heard a rumour that Heracles was going to forsake her and marry Iole :] Swaying from plan to plan, at last she chose to send the shirt imbued with Nessus' blood to fortify her husband's failing love . . . And Hercules receiving the gift and on his shoulders wore, in ignorance, the Hydra-poisoned gore.""

Going further is another article that I came across that gave me even more food for thought (quoted below the link):

http://bibleandgreeks.blogspot.com/2014/12/mirroring-centaurs-and-inverted.html

"Mirroring Centaurs and inverted medicines: Chiron and Nessus

Here's an odd example of unexpected symmetry in The Women of Trachis -- some might say it's a stretch, but bear in mind, the material of the myth was all one giant text to the Greeks.

Deianira is about to relate her discovery -- her dawning apprehension that Nessus gave her no love charm. She tells how she faithfully followed the dying Centaur's every instruction:

I let fall (παρῆκα ;) no part of the precepts which the savage Centaur gave me when he was hurting from the bitter barb in his side; they were in my memory, like the graven words which no hand may wash from a tablet of bronze.

ἐγὼ γὰρ ὧν ὁ θήρ με Κένταυρος, πονῶν
πλευρὰν πικρᾷ γλωχῖνι, προυδιδάξατο
παρῆκα θεσμῶν οὐδέν, ἀλλ᾽ ἐσῳζόμην
χαλκῆς ὅπως δύσνιπτον ἐκ δέλτου γραφήν.

She is thinking of Nessus as if he were a teacher, not a rapist. She adheres to his formula for making the charm as if it were a medicine she is learning to compound from a learned pharmacist. This of course should remind us of Chiron, the one Centaur who was learned in many arts, including medicine. (Chiron was a giver of the gift of knowledge not unlike Prometheus, only he did not suffer the wrath of Zeus for having stolen sacred fire.)

The irony is that Heracles killed both Nessus and Chiron with the same poisoned weapon -- though in the case of Chiron, it was an accident. At least one well-known tale goes this way:

Chiron had been poisoned with an arrow belonging to Heracles that had been treated with the blood of the Hydra . . . this had taken place during the visit of Heracles to the cave of Pholus on Mount Pelion in Thessaly when he visited his friend during his fourth labour in defeating the Erymanthian Boar. While they were at supper, Heracles asked for some wine to accompany his meal. Pholus, who ate his food raw, was taken aback. He had been given a vessel of sacred wine by Dionysus sometime earlier, to be kept in trust for the rest of the centaurs until the right time for its opening. At Heracles' prompting, Pholus was forced to produce the vessel of sacred wine. The hero, gasping for wine, grabbed it from him and forced it open. Thereupon the vapors of the sacred wine wafted out of the cave and intoxicated the wild centaurs, led by Nessus, who had gathered outside. They attacked the cave with stones and fir trees. Heracles was forced to shoot many arrows (poisoned with the blood of the Hydra) to drive them back. During this assault, Chiron was hit in the thigh by one of the poisoned arrows. (Wikipedia)

The tale continues with Chiron, who was immortal, suffering so greatly that he wished to die. Heracles then brokered an exchange by which the Centaur was permitted to die and Prometheus was freed from his savage punishment.

Heracles, then, killed both the noblest Centaur and the worst of them, and used knowledge gained from Chiron (about the poison) to do it. When Nessus tells Deianira that he can give her a potent charm, he is imitating Chiron's instruction of Heracles. And when he is struck by the Hydra-tainted arrow, he replicates the death of Chiron. Deianira, then, could have been misled by a kind of chiastic mirroring:

Chiron - teacher of Heracles - wounded by Heracles' poisoned arrow:
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:Nessus - mortally wounded by Heracles - teacher of Deianira

The similarities are superficial. Upon closer consideration one might realize that if anyone could have used the Hydra's poison to good purpose, it would have been Chiron, but he couldn't. Chiron gave men medicine to preserve life and knowledge to make the best of it. Nessus, the doppelganger, gives a charm that horribly takes life. And the charm takes the form of a shirt, a copy, or replica, of the human form beneath.

Chiron certainly gave Centaurs an aura of primal learning - an air of authority and respectability which even someone as intelligent as Deianira might mistakenly attribute to all Centaurs.

The balanced structure of the myth would surely have fascinated the Greeks: Heracles was brought up and became who he was thanks to the illumination and humane tutelage of Chiron. And then he was brought down thanks to the prescription of a fraudulent beast who resembled him superficially. That doubleness, the real and the mere copy -- is itself underscored by the reality that Chiron and Nessus are "like" each other precisely in being dual creatures, double natures. And the difference between the dual natures lies precisely in the gift of benign culture -- of teaching, paideia.

We are not far from the Phaedrus's lesson in the differences between true knowing and mere writing. And writing is indeed present in Deianira's account of how she faithfully followed Nessus's precepts:
they were in my memory, like the graven words which no hand may wash from a tablet of bronze."

... and this... take a look at the synonyms for ravish... https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/greek-word-for-c85073bd06d5650f9eab43a 54f56efe6e814d69b.html

I believe there is so much more to this story than "Nessus was a bad guy and symbolizes abuse, and you're GOING to be abused if their Nessus touches your ... whatever." BS... That point of view is fatalistic and childish, as far as I am concerned.

The only way to learn the real meaning of this story is to look at ALL the players... Heracles, Dejanira, Nessus, Athena, Chiron, and Hydra (who was killed by Heracles in during his second labor, and whose poison ultimately killed Chiron and Heracles).

Metaphorically the 'Robe of Nessus' or 'Shirt of Nessus" represents a source of inescapable misfortune, destruction, ruin, or anything that seems normal at first but actually has the power to destroy you.

I think the whole Nessus Dejanira story is really about Nessus and Heracles... old grudges, and mortal enemies. I believe Heracles was Nessus' target and Dejanira was a means to an end, so Nessus' attempt to run off with her or have sex (or whatever) with her was more about p!ssing off Heracles than abusing Dejanira. Nessus destroyed himself with actions towards Dejanira, but he got the ultimate revenge by killing Heracles. Dejanira was collateral damage because when she realized she'd been tricked and the potion she got from Nessus and gave to Heracles was poison, she killed herself.

posted December 15, 2019 03:15 AM            

He would purposely try to hurt me by hooking up with other girls in front of me after the break up, and till this day he still sends me mean messages or tries to hurt me/make me jealous by hooking up with girls I considered "friends" at one point (I have Venus in the 6th house natal wise).
After the break up, he even wrote a song about me because he would make music in his free time (I thought it was corny), and the way he talked about me in the song was very harsh and like he just hated me. It was actually super embarrassing because we had a lot of mutual friends and went to school together, so everyone we both knew, knew the song was about me.
He would constantly make me take pictures of where I was at when I wasn't with him and when we broke up, he told me that if I ever dated another guy or went to our schools prom with someone (even though he wasn't going to take me), he would never talk to me again.
It has been almost 5 years since the break up and he is still obsessed with me and I've had to block him on all platforms otherwise he will comment on my social media nasty comments, trying to be "funny".
He would also get physical with other guys whenever they would try to just talk to me (we were in school, talking to others is normal, especially for projects and such) - it was a very toxic relationship. One time he found out some guy 'liked' me and went up to him after class and shoved him against a wall and told him not to ever talk to me again, so embarrassing.

He even tried to fight the guy I dated before him, for no reason. He told me he wanted to fight him because the person I was dating before him, kept calling me still because he still had feelings for me. He even lit all of the stuff my exes gave me on fire and was laughing about it and took videos of it like it was honestly "funny".

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posted December 17, 2019 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by JoJo:
I've been doing quite a bit of reading on the Nessus/Dejanira/Heracles story, and I don't feel that Nessus is about abuse as much as has been touted on this board. I believe it is about revenge or a held grudge against an enemy, and reacting without thinking.

Heracles was present when Nessus carried Dejanira across the river. Dejanira was terrified of the river because it was swollen and dangerous, and she was afraid of of centaurs in general, not specifically Nessus ("gave his bride of Calydonis [Deianira of Calydon], pale and afraid, dreading the river, dreading the Centaurus (Centaur) too.").

Heracles threw his club and bow to the other side of the river and crossed over prior to Nessus and Dejanira.

Here we pick up what happens next (note that Heracles believed Nessus was going to run off with Dejanira, he didn't actually SEE Nessus do anything to her except try to flee with her:

"And now on the far bank and stooping for the bow he'd thrown, he heard a voice, his wife's, calling and [b]sure that Nessus had in mind a breach of trust,"

It is also believed by many that Nessus raped Dejanira. As we all know, Dejanira ends up killing Heracles with a poison shirt she received from Nessus, believing him when he said it was a love potion. but If Nessus raped Dejanira, the story doesn't make sense for a couple of reasons:

1. Heracles was present, and Nessus was carrying Dejanira across the rivers on his back, which means Nessus would have raped Dejanira in the middle of a swollen, dangerous river in the presence of her husband...
2. If Nessus did rape Dejanira, why would she accept a love potion from him, no matter what he said?

Here is the entire article that I read

"Ovid, Metamorphoses 9. 101 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :

"Savage Nessus lost his life for love of that same lady [Deianeira], when an arrow flew to pierce his side.

When Jove's [Zeus'] son [Heracles], was making for his native city's walls with his new bride, he reached the rushing waters of broad Evenus, high beyond its wont. The river, swollen by the winter's rains and full of whirlpools, poured impassable. And as he stood there, fearless for himself but anxious for his wife, Nessus approached, mighty in muscle and knowing the fords well. ‘With my help she'll stand safe on the far side,’ he volunteered: ‘You, use your strength and swim!’

To Nessus then Aonius [Heracles of Aonia, i.e. Thebes] gave his bride of Calydonis [Deianira of Calydon], pale and afraid, dreading the river, dreading the Centaurus (Centaur) too. And then, just as he was, with all the weight of lion-skin and quiver (club and bow he's thrown across), ‘Since I've begun,’ he cried, ‘I'll beat one river more!’ and never paused to take his time or pick the kindest water, and scorned to use the current's services.

And now on the far bank and stooping for the bow he'd thrown, he heard a voice, his wife's, calling and sure that Nessus had in mind a breach of trust, ‘You raping ravisher!’ he cried, ‘Where are you going? So confident in your four feet! Nessus Two-Formed (biformis), listen! Hold off from me and mine. Maybe you feel no dread of me--at least your father's [Ixion's] wheel should hold you back from lust and lechery. Trust horse-strength if you will, you'll not escape. With wounds not feet I'll follow!’

His last words were proved at once: an arrow flew and pierced the fleeing centaur's back: out from his breast the barbed point stuck. He wrenched the shaft away, and blood from both wounds spurted, blood that bore the Lernaean's [Hydra's] poison. Nessus caught it up. ‘I'll not die unavenged,’ he thought and gave his shirt soaked in warm gore to Deianira, a talisman, he said, to kindle love . . .
[Years later Deianeira heard a rumour that Heracles was going to forsake her and marry Iole :] Swaying from plan to plan, at last she chose to send the shirt imbued with Nessus' blood to fortify her husband's failing love . . . And Hercules receiving the gift and on his shoulders wore, in ignorance, the Hydra-poisoned gore.""

Going further is another article that I came across that gave me even more food for thought (quoted below the link):

http://bibleandgreeks.blogspot.com/2014/12/mirroring-centaurs-and-inverted.html

"Mirroring Centaurs and inverted medicines: Chiron and Nessus

Here's an odd example of unexpected symmetry in The Women of Trachis -- some might say it's a stretch, but bear in mind, the material of the myth was all one giant text to the Greeks.

Deianira is about to relate her discovery -- her dawning apprehension that Nessus gave her no love charm. She tells how she faithfully followed the dying Centaur's every instruction:

I let fall (ðáñῆêá no part of the precepts which the savage Centaur gave me when he was hurting from the bitter barb in his side; they were in my memory, like the graven words which no hand may wash from a tablet of bronze.

ἐãὼ ãὰñ ὧí ὁ èÞñ ìå ÊÝíôáõñïò, ðïíῶí
ðëåõñὰí ðéêñᾷ ãëù÷ῖíé, ðñïõäéäÜîáôï
ðáñῆêá èåóìῶí ïὐäÝí, ἀëë᾽ ἐóῳæüìçí
÷áëêῆò ὅðùò äýóíéðôïí ἐê äÝëôïõ ãñáöÞí.

She is thinking of Nessus as if he were a teacher, not a rapist. She adheres to his formula for making the charm as if it were a medicine she is learning to compound from a learned pharmacist. This of course should remind us of Chiron, the one Centaur who was learned in many arts, including medicine. (Chiron was a giver of the gift of knowledge not unlike Prometheus, only he did not suffer the wrath of Zeus for having stolen sacred fire.)

The irony is that Heracles killed both Nessus and Chiron with the same poisoned weapon -- though in the case of Chiron, it was an accident. At least one well-known tale goes this way:

Chiron had been poisoned with an arrow belonging to Heracles that had been treated with the blood of the Hydra . . . this had taken place during the visit of Heracles to the cave of Pholus on Mount Pelion in Thessaly when he visited his friend during his fourth labour in defeating the Erymanthian Boar. While they were at supper, Heracles asked for some wine to accompany his meal. Pholus, who ate his food raw, was taken aback. He had been given a vessel of sacred wine by Dionysus sometime earlier, to be kept in trust for the rest of the centaurs until the right time for its opening. At Heracles' prompting, Pholus was forced to produce the vessel of sacred wine. The hero, gasping for wine, grabbed it from him and forced it open. Thereupon the vapors of the sacred wine wafted out of the cave and intoxicated the wild centaurs, led by Nessus, who had gathered outside. They attacked the cave with stones and fir trees. Heracles was forced to shoot many arrows (poisoned with the blood of the Hydra) to drive them back. During this assault, Chiron was hit in the thigh by one of the poisoned arrows. (Wikipedia)

The tale continues with Chiron, who was immortal, suffering so greatly that he wished to die. Heracles then brokered an exchange by which the Centaur was permitted to die and Prometheus was freed from his savage punishment.

Heracles, then, killed both the noblest Centaur and the worst of them, and used knowledge gained from Chiron (about the poison) to do it. When Nessus tells Deianira that he can give her a potent charm, he is imitating Chiron's instruction of Heracles. And when he is struck by the Hydra-tainted arrow, he replicates the death of Chiron. Deianira, then, could have been misled by a kind of chiastic mirroring:

Chiron - teacher of Heracles - wounded by Heracles' poisoned arrow:
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:Nessus - mortally wounded by Heracles - teacher of Deianira

The similarities are superficial. Upon closer consideration one might realize that if anyone could have used the Hydra's poison to good purpose, it would have been Chiron, but he couldn't. Chiron gave men medicine to preserve life and knowledge to make the best of it. Nessus, the doppelganger, gives a charm that horribly takes life. And the charm takes the form of a shirt, a copy, or replica, of the human form beneath.

Chiron certainly gave Centaurs an aura of primal learning - an air of authority and respectability which even someone as intelligent as Deianira might mistakenly attribute to all Centaurs.

The balanced structure of the myth would surely have fascinated the Greeks: Heracles was brought up and became who he was thanks to the illumination and humane tutelage of Chiron. And then he was brought down thanks to the prescription of a fraudulent beast who resembled him superficially. That doubleness, the real and the mere copy -- is itself underscored by the reality that Chiron and Nessus are "like" each other precisely in being dual creatures, double natures. And the difference between the dual natures lies precisely in the gift of benign culture -- of teaching, paideia.

We are not far from the Phaedrus's lesson in the differences between true knowing and mere writing. And writing is indeed present in Deianira's account of how she faithfully followed Nessus's precepts:
they were in my memory, like the graven words which no hand may wash from a tablet of bronze."

... and this... take a look at the synonyms for ravish... https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/greek-word-for-c85073bd06d5650f9eab43a 54f56efe6e814d69b.html

I believe there is so much more to this story than "Nessus was a bad guy and symbolizes abuse, and you're GOING to be abused if their Nessus touches your ... whatever." BS... That point of view is fatalistic and childish, as far as I am concerned.

The only way to learn the real meaning of this story is to look at ALL the players... Heracles, Dejanira, Nessus, Athena, Chiron, and Hydra (who was killed by Heracles in during his second labor, and whose poison ultimately killed Chiron and Heracles).

Metaphorically the 'Robe of Nessus' or 'Shirt of Nessus" represents a source of inescapable misfortune, destruction, ruin, or anything that seems normal at first but actually has the power to destroy you.

I think the whole Nessus Dejanira story is really about Nessus and Heracles... old grudges, and mortal enemies. I believe Heracles was Nessus' target and Dejanira was a means to an end, so Nessus' attempt to run off with her or have sex (or whatever) with her was more about p!ssing off Heracles than abusing Dejanira. Nessus destroyed himself with actions towards Dejanira, but he got the ultimate revenge by killing Heracles. Dejanira was collateral damage because when she realized she'd been tricked and the potion she got from Nessus and gave to Heracles was poison, she killed herself.

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thank you could you please tell me what do you think about person A's Heracles Exactly opposing B's Dejanira.. and all that squaring B's Nessus which also exactly conjuncting A's Dejanira?

But the square is about by 6 degrees but since both dejanira and hercles is involved it might be interesting, no?