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mooninaries94
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posted February 18, 2016 07:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have NESSUS in SCORPIO at the 1ST H. I read a lot of topics here about this asteroid and definitely got confused. I would like to understand its meaning on my chart. May any kind soul help ?

This explanation do fit for women ? (Cos I don't see myself on it. I'm a sexual person, yet shy)

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Originally posted February 08, 2012 01:11 PM by iQ:
This is not an exhaustive answer but should give a quick grasp. Interpretations are for dark, afflicted charts of males, and are negative interpretations only. Positive interps will be given later where the charts are not afflicted.

Nessus in First
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Will shamelessly ask for sex, will make loud lewd comments and are never concerned about their reputation for being sex obsessed.

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Originally posted November 09, 2012 11:28 AM by Ceridwen:
Positive Nessus in Signs
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Scorpio: Helps in developing will power for transcending baser Self by focusing on Inner Sexuality. Sex in the Mind, feeling powerful by Sexual Abstinence etc. This is the most difficult placement. Plan B is to become a warrior or wrestler or hard laborer and thus have an outlet for pent up sexual fury.
Plan C is to become an investigator of psychos or a psychologist.


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posted February 18, 2016 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see Nessus as highlighted( pivotal/important for the person) unless it makes a close conjunction( or closer other aspect such as a square) to PERSONAL Parts of the charts such as the ASC, MC, Sun, Moon, Mars etc

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posted February 19, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of info about it here.

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posted February 19, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About Nessus in general.

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posted February 19, 2016 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't see Nessus as highlighted( pivotal/important for the person) unless it makes a close conjunction( or closer other aspect such as a square) to PERSONAL Parts of the charts such as the ASC, MC, Sun, Moon, Mars etc


Nichole Simpson has it conjunct her sun by 2d and she was murdered by OJ.

Also a past client of mine has it conjunct her sun very tightly and her juno tightly as well, her stepfather abused her but she seems to bond with her abusers perhaps juno there does that, she is staying with her father who is I feel manipulative, selfish and immature. I won't go into details bc I can't but both father figures in her life step dad who is now in jail and her biological father work hard to brainwash her and put her against her mother with whom as a result she has a super hard time having a decent relationship with. That client also had moon conjunct dejanira.

I am not convinced that Nessus means you are the abuser, what I am seeing is that it can be that but it can also be that you hold onto grudges and don't forgive, are vindictive or were abused yourself and then acted out or that you attract abuse. Nessus can indicate you were abused, Dejanira if prominent gives that victim mentality or makes you really passive, anxiety prone with low self worth so if both nessus and dejanira are prominent it is like a double confirmation that abuse took place and that it left a scar and made a psychological impact that will be hard to overcome.

All I am saying is that Nessus is more dynamic than I thought in a chart.

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posted February 19, 2016 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where was her Deja, H?

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posted February 22, 2016 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Where was her Deja, H?


Correction Nichole Simpson has:

Nessus in Taurus @25d04
Sun in Taurus @27d20
Dejanira in Cancer @28d10
Jupiter in Scorpio @27d06

So nessus conjunct sun around 2d on Algol with Dejanira sextile her Sun under 1d.

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posted February 22, 2016 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bet there is something else going on H.

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posted February 22, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I bet there is something else going on H.


What do mean? Her nessus and dejanira both aspect tightly her sun that is already enough for her to attract abusive situations and jupiter in the 8th house opposes her Sun. Are you referring to transits?

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posted February 22, 2016 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is also that her DC ruler is mercury which conjuncts exact OJ's nessus!

On the day she died transit nessus was opposing this conjunction under 3d and transit Mars was conjuncting her mercury and his nessus by about 3d so there was transit mars oppsite nessus activating their synastry aspect involving her DC ruler and his nessus.

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posted February 22, 2016 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, there are other asteroids like Sedna, betrayal by men, Aphosis, destruction etc etc

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posted February 22, 2016 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well her theme in her life was domestic violence and murder which Nessus conjunct Sun opposing jupiter in the 8th and sextiling dejanira pretty much portrays that picture. Sun and Mars in a women's chart can indicate the type of men she attracts along with the 7th house ruler after all.

She has also:
Cybele in Aries @26d14
Sedna in Aries @27d14 semisextile her Sun exact by 0d06.
Apophis in Aries @29d11

So her Sedna conjuncts apophis under 2d and her Sedna semisextiles exact her Sun.

Again and again semisextiles shock me by how influential they are.

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posted March 09, 2018 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 09, 2018 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the same placement in the same house, used to attract pedos when I was a kid(not fun!!) coz I gave off that kind of vibe I guess. Got abused too at one point. Have it conjunct Jupiter,square Mars.
Have I ever felt ashamed about being sex-obsessed? Nah, never, why should I be? Loll
I also give off this f*ck-boy vibe, even though I'm not really one.
I also make lewd comments at times, but doesn't every Mars/Jupiter do that sort of thing? lol

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posted March 09, 2018 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I kind of agree with Ami's POV when it comes to Nessus, I find it realistic. Yes it does have a positive side to it, but let's be honest, how many actually use their placements positively? Wouldn't world have been a far better place to live in had most used their energy creatively(yeah, no sh#t sherlock)
I do think it's an astrologer's responsibility to point out the positive use of their placements but to me it appears that people don't use them in that direction much. Maybe it's one reason why I'm starting to find the fatalistic approach of Vedic astrology rather realistic, except that ' don't meet one-legged dog on Mondays ' sh#t .

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posted March 13, 2018 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nessus has to be very close to count--1-3 degress and 3 is WIDE. Nessus is the abuser/aggressor in the ASC, NN and MC. It GETS abused when it conjuncts Venus, IC and the DSC. With the Moon, it may be both--abuser and victim. That is what I have gleaned from the charts I have done, anyway.

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posted March 14, 2018 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Ami.

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posted May 02, 2018 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've recently re-connected with someone, who by his own admission, was "obsessed" with me for 5+ years when we were a lot younger. He never hesitates to remind me this every time we talk. I certainly never felt this way about him, but would be lying if I didn't say it flatters me.

Finally got his info. We have a DW Moon/Pluto conjunction and opposition...so I thought that was it - but then I found all this Nessus action.

Should I be worried? LOL

-His Deja exact Square my Nessus
-His Nessus Square my Mercury (1 deg)
-His Nessus Square my Mars (1 deg)
-His Nessus exact Trine my Uranus
-His Nessus Sextile my Chiron (under 2 deg)
-My Nessus exact Sextile his Venus

As a sidenote, we also have:
-Exact conjunction of AC/MC and DC/IC
-And my Moon exact conjunct his DC


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posted May 02, 2018 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by FireVirgo:
I've recently re-connected with someone, who by his own admission, was "obsessed" with me for 5+ years when we were a lot younger. He never hesitates to remind me this every time we talk. I certainly never felt this way about him, but would be lying if I didn't say it flatters me.

Finally got his info. We have a DW Moon/Pluto conjunction and opposition...so I thought that was it - but then I found all this Nessus action.

Should I be worried? LOL

-His Deja exact Square my Nessus
-His Nessus Square my Mercury (1 deg)
-His Nessus Square my Mars (1 deg)
-His Nessus exact Trine my Uranus
-His Nessus Sextile my Chiron (under 2 deg)
-My Nessus exact Sextile his Venus

As a sidenote, we also have:
-Exact conjunction of AC/MC and DC/IC
-And my Moon exact conjunct his DC


-His Deja exact Square my Nessus
-His Nessus Square my Mercury (1 deg)
-His Nessus Square my Mars (1 deg)

these aspects are a bit ominous as they imply that his obsession is focused on domination rather than love and intimacy.

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posted May 02, 2018 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
-His Deja exact Square my Nessus
-His Nessus Square my Mercury (1 deg)
-His Nessus Square my Mars (1 deg)

these aspects are a bit ominous as they imply that his obsession is focused on domination rather than love and intimacy.

todd


Thank you, Todd! Based on the vibe he gives, this actually makes a lot of sense.

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posted May 07, 2018 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjorkstrand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
too small
nothing to worry about

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posted May 09, 2018 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, todd.

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posted May 16, 2018 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New question:

How would Nessus conjunct Venus in COMPOSITE, play out?

(I can find natal & synastry interpretations but not composite)

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posted May 16, 2018 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its not that simple with Nessus and Dejanira, in the composite of their discovery charts they have Pluto-Sun-Venus stellium with Northnode conjunct Eros, Southnode conjunct Priapus, Psyche conjunct Juno and ISIS conjunct OSIRIS.

In their synastry they have Eros square Psyche and Eros trine Psyche, also southnode-juno conjunct jupiter, Pluto conjunct Kaali, Isis sextile Osiris and southnode conjunct Priapus.

I have dated 2 guys that are born a day apart from each other, both have Nessus Trine Dejanira in their own chart and with both I have a nessus/dejanira double whammy by square and opposition. Both have history of trauma. One has Virgo rising and the other Leo rising. Their charts are identical, they even have the same moon sign in Aries.

Depending on were you are in your soul evolution each planet/object operates under 3 different levels.

I feel the leo riser does use sado-masochism as a way to protect himself and avoid real intimacy and love. I have mentioned it to him a few times and I think he actually takes it in and agrees with me. He stated one time, "I am a nut hard to crack."

The virgo riser felt in love with me and was surprised by how fast he felt for me, he was the opposite of the other guy he did not avoid love or intimacy, he was wide open to it. He was not into sado-masochism.

I feel each are operating at different levels of Nessus/Dejanira, in some ways the LEO riser is ahead of the Virgo riser believe it or not, he has made more progress in confronting his past and inner demons and I feel has used sado-masochism as a tool to do that but at this point I feel its hindering his growth. I am not saying he has to give up on sado-masochism but I feel part of why I am in his life is to help him see how its hindering him so he can expand his views on sexuality and be more open to real intimacy and love and be less rigid so he can then be able to operate at the next level of Nessus and Dejanira which can be quite beautiful. Sado-masochism has helped him heal and grow but at this point is also hindering further growth from happening.


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posted May 16, 2018 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Its not that simple with Nessus and Dejanira, in the composite of their discovery charts they have Pluto-Sun-Venus stellium with Northnode conjunct Eros, Southnode conjunct Priapus, Psyche conjunct Juno and ISIS conjunct OSIRIS.

In their synastry they have Eros square Psyche and Eros trine Psyche, also southnode-juno conjunct jupiter, Pluto conjunct Kaali, Isis sextile Osiris and southnode conjunct Priapus.


If you operate from Level 3 of Nessus and Dejanira looking at their composite you will see that the goal is to merge and surrender to love through the art of erotic love but I think for that to happen each has to work through their issues first.

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