posted May 05, 2016 01:41 PM            

Person A (the man), developing a little somethin' with Person B (the woman).
Considerable age difference. And by that, I mean, different generations entirely.

They have:
A's Nessus conjunct B's Dejanira (2°)
A's Nessus square B's Venus (0°), Amor, Psyche
A's Nessus sextile B's Chiron (0°), A's Venus square B's Chiron (0°)

B's Dejanira conjunct A's North Node (Destined to be his victim? LOL).

There's also Mars-Pluto & Venus-Pluto in the mix.
A's Mars = B's Pluto; B's Venus = A's Pluto; B's Mars = A's Venus. (Geesh!)

An abundance of Nessus aspects --> is it abuse necessarily or healing through 'purging' of sorts?

posted May 05, 2016 03:35 PM            

Actually, it's Mars-Pluto one way and Venus-Pluto the other way. But the one that is Venus in V-P, is the Mars in the Venus-Mars conj. (Lol)

--Sorry, that's neither here nor there.

I was just wondering, how these 'Nessus' aspects manifest in real life..

The reason I asked about this set of aspects independently of the rest is 'coz I dunno if the effects can be ascertained based on experiences alone, since there are also things like <Nessus person's Valentine conj B's NN by 0°> and other such aspects designed to make someone all gooey-eyed.

^ It's like, too-good-to-be-true synastry ~plus~ so-called 'red-flags'.

Thanks for listening to this ramble.

posted May 05, 2016 04:14 PM            

It takes quite awhile to tame Nessus energy so if they are younger, i seriously doubt they have conquered Nessus. It takes a life shift, a complete ephiphany that changes you for good before you are able to see through Nessus's energy and see it for what it is...a hunger for control over another and willingness to do anything to get that power over them, to take what you want regardless of who you hurt or what you have to do.

Thats a very raw, animalistic energy that is at the core of all men...but to get a man who by nature is caught up in that energy to see through it and see how it hurts others and themselves takes a huge breakthrough. You know hes caught up in it when he has personal planets touching Nessus.
Even after they see the truth behind Nesus's energy you still must learn a new way to handle that energy even after they see it for what it really is...a young person will not have the life experience or maturity to have learned any of that. They will be using Nessus in the negative way until something massive happens n wakes them up. The only exception i could see would be a light worker, old soul reborn with a specific path and that energy was part of their path. But they would be born with control over it...thats going to be a VERY rare person, they would have an aura of power n strength to fight for the under dog, but they would very humble themselves.

I have Nessus conjunct Mars...thank god its not exact, they are 2.5 degrees apart. Sometimes i can still feel that energy come up, when i feel ive been deeply wronged and this part of me wants revenge. I can see why its so addictive and ppl would like it. My Nessus is retrograde so most of that energy was used to hurt me instead of me hurting others...but the affect is the same, abuse, abusive relationships, eventually the abused get angry and want revenge and if they have Nessus on Mars...watch out! Lol

Dejanira is a mess all by herself...she will push ppl away and run from good things to bad things when shes young and immature.

I have Dejanira conjunct my Moon, again thank god its not super tight, 3.5 degrees apart!

posted May 05, 2016 04:39 PM            

I see what you mean.. In this case, the 'Nessus' person is much older.. And well, I guess I might as well say it since it's obvious by now -- I'm the 'battered woman' B.

Jokes aside though, he's been exceptionally good for me you know, so far. In whatever capacity we've known each other. He is (almost literally) to me, like Santa Claus and anti-depressants and rainbows and laughter all rolled in one. Clumsy mish-mash, but... you get the picture. I'd never have thought Nessus would be involved, and I might not have even seen it if not for a random impulse to plug in asteroids. Usually, I check my synastry as a "bare bones" version - just planets, angles, Juno/Lilith/Ceres/Eros/Psyche. Don't really trust other asteroids that much (in synastry). Also, I'm likely to go waaayyyy overboard and spend all day comparing scores of asteroids and finding 'connections' everywhere. So I stay away from the whole thing. Can really get obsessive, you know?

posted May 05, 2016 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Thats a very raw, animalistic energy that is at the core of all men...but to get a man who by nature is caught up in that energy to see through it and see how it hurts others and themselves takes a huge breakthrough. You know hes caught up in it when he has personal planets touching Nessus.
Even after they see the truth behind Nesus's energy you still must learn a new way to handle that energy even after they see it for what it really is...a young person will not have the life experience or maturity to have learned any of that. They will be using Nessus in the negative way until something massive happens n wakes them up.

I have Nessus conjunct Mars...thank god its not exact, they are 2.5 degrees apart. Sometimes i can still feel that energy come up, when i feel ive been deeply wronged and this part of me wants revenge. I can see why its so addictive and ppl would like it. My Nessus is retrograde so most of that energy was used to hurt me instead of me hurting others...but the affect is the same, abuse, abusive relationships, eventually the abused get angry and want revenge and if they have Nessus on Mars...watch out! Lol

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Wow...that's intense.

Thinking about it though, even if that person is older - they may or may not have gone through the 'awakening' you talk about. So, it might still be a latent energy in them until something/someone comes along and triggers it(?). Just thinkin' out loud here...tell me what you think..

He is a wee bit controlling, and I detect jealousy sometimes. But that might be the Pluto speaking. And he is way more protective and comforting than he is controlling..

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posted May 05, 2016 05:09 PM            

But, what if I told you his Jupiter is so uniquely positioned as to trine four of my personal planets? (I guess that's where the *rainbows* come from).

And, my Venus-Jupiter sextiles his Venus, exact..

posted May 05, 2016 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Wow...that's intense.

Thinking about it though, even if that person is older - they may or may not have gone through the 'awakening' you talk about. So, it might still be a latent energy in them until something/someone comes along and triggers it(?). Just thinkin' out loud here...tell me what you think..

He is a wee bit controlling, and I detect jealousy sometimes. But that might be the Pluto speaking. And he is way more protective and comforting than he is controlling..

After reading your comment, I checked his chart again -- natally, his Nessus is inconjunct Venus (0°x'), conjunct NN (again 0°x'), and (dunno how this is relevant, but..) square Eros (0°). His Eros is retrograde, and opposes my Venus, also at....0°. (haha).

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Oh, ugh....wow! When i read your comment i get a knot in my stomach. Those aspects are NOT good and the fact that your already seeing some jealousy and controlling behaviors, id say dont walk, RUN!
But thats just me and having been in relationships with ppl who had similar Nessus aspects. It ended in a restraining order that had to be re-issued again after it was lifted. He broke it 17 times....I bought a gun and learned how to use it! Lol

Nessus conjunct NN means his life path is learning Nessus lessons....do you want to be around for that?

If someone has Venus conjunct NN, their life path is learning about love, learning to love, to give, to recieve, when its real, when its fake, unconditional love, passionate love....everything there is to know about love.
Do you want to be attached to someone whos life path is to learn all their is to know about one of the darkest n most brutal energies that lives at the core of all human kind? I would like to pick his brain....i bet his thoughts and the way he sees life are very interesting....but i would not want to live with him!! Lol

posted May 05, 2016 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
^^

But, what if I told you his Jupiter is so uniquely positioned as to trine four of my personal planets? (I guess that's where the *rainbows* come from).

And, my Venus-Jupiter sextiles his Venus, exact..

Sweeter mix..?

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The guy i ran from...
Nessus gem@16
Sun gemini@16
My Psyche gemini@15
My Jupiter aries@15

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posted May 05, 2016 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Oh, ugh....wow! When i read your comment i get a knot in my stomach. Those aspects are NOT good and the fact that your already seeing some jealousy and controlling behaviors, id say dont walk, RUN!
But thats just me and having been in relationships with ppl who had similar Nessus aspects. It ended in a restraining order that had to be re-issued again after it was lifted. He broke it 17 times....I bought a gun and learned how to use it! Lol

Nessus conjunct NN means his life path is learning Nessus lessons....do you want to be around for that?

If someone has Venus conjunct NN, their life path is learning about love, learning to love, to give, to recieve, when its real, when its fake, unconditional love, passionate love....everything there is to know about love.
Do you want to be attached to someone whos life path is to learn all their is to know about one of the darkest n most brutal energies that lives at the core of all human kind? I would like to pick his brain....i bet his thoughts and the way he sees life are very interesting....but i would not want to live with him!! Lol

The guy i had to run from had MANIAC on his NN exact...and he was acting out and becoming just that in so many ways. He still is, he has not calmed down at all. We grow into what is on our NN....thats a scary thought when its Nessus.

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Oh geez...
And my Deja is on that Nessus-NN conjunction of his. *facepalm*

posted May 05, 2016 06:22 PM            

Yeah, it is magnetic and borderline irresistible..

I think he's an amazing person.

But yes, I will keep my eyes open - and not get myself into a situation like that again..

posted May 05, 2016 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The guy i ran from...
Nessus gem@16
Sun gemini@16
My Psyche gemini@15
My Jupiter aries@15

For some reason, maybe it helps lighten the intensity...I never had broken bones or black eyes but the abuse was still severe emotionally, psychologically and some physically to. Dont look for help from planets unless you see no signs from the person in real life that they could ever act in a way that would hurt you, please! ❤️❤️

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posted May 05, 2016 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh my gosh.. That's awful, Gabby!! How did you manage to get yourself out of that cycle?

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A huge amount of focusing on what was wrong inside me, realizing i was the reason i was drawing that kind of person to me. Coming to understand that i had that darkness in me to, i was in pain inside and very angry that "i" was ignoring myself, my pain..i was just pushing it down and pretending it wasnt there and i was ok.
The reason i pulled this negative energy to me was because this energy was reflecting back to me what needed to be seen inside me, it was a mirror showing me what i needed to see.
Somewhere inside me i wanted to face it but was terrified of what id find.
Today, i know my fear was that what i was going to see something that was this horrible, ugly person.....and find out that maybe that was the real me. Thats why I couldn't face it...i was terrified of finding out i truly was all the negative things i felt inside and about me.

posted May 05, 2016 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh geez...
And my Deja is on that Nessus-NN conjunction of his. *facepalm*

Okay, Gods of Fate - you've had your little joke.

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posted May 05, 2016 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That would be it for me====no way lol

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posted May 05, 2016 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
A nessus relationship feels sooooo hot. It is attraction like no other, but when it comes down, it is ashes lol

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posted May 05, 2016 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Thanks, you guys, for your replies.. I think I understand it all a bit better now.

Yeah, it is magnetic and borderline irresistible..

I think he's an amazing person.

But yes, I will keep my eyes open - and not get myself into a situation like that again..

(I consider myself a 'reformed Plutonian', in the sense that I now try to stay away from those kinds of dark, abusive relationships. I'm more of a Jupiter fan now. I will try to be as careful as possible though.)

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Thats good to hear, im a Plutonian lover to....(got to be w/ pluto/AC/venus conjunct in your chart)but i have to work and keep it on the positive side. There are ways to do that, even though its hard to find guys with the maturity to be that kind of partner.

posted May 05, 2016 08:31 PM            

Dejanira unwittingly subdued Hercules. Her capturer, Nessus, tried to rape and own her while crossing her over a river. Hercules shot him, killing him. However, as Nessus was dying, he preyed on the insecurities of Dejanira. An excellent manipulator, liar, and reader of people's emotions, he told Dejanira that if she put the potion of Nessus' blood onto Hercules, the unfaithful hero would miraculously love only her.
To prevent his cheating exploits from worsening, Dejanira took a shirt and put Nessus' blood all over it. Hercules put it on, causing him to die. Dejanira in horror decidedly ended her life for killing the only man she loved.

In the story, what she thinks is going to be ok, even a positive thing turns suddenly into her worst nightmare....
Thats how Nessus works, so much manipulation.
Just be careful...keep your eyes open, with your emotions and head firmly based in reality. Dont ignore any little red flags, if he gets attached expect holy hell if you chose to leave.

posted May 05, 2016 08:41 PM            

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posted May 07, 2016 04:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Thats good to hear, im a Plutonian lover to....(got to be w/ pluto/AC/venus conjunct in your chart)but i have to work and keep it on the positive side. There are ways to do that, even though its hard to find guys with the maturity to be that kind of partner.

Nessus is a whole new level of intensity, it can feel manageable at first, then something shifts and it goes out of control. I guess thats kind of like how Dejanira trusted Nessus was helping her until everything suddenly went out of control and she realized his true intentions.

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Yeah.. I'm not quite *there* yet, but at least one step in that direction is recognizing that this way of loving and being loved needs to change.

posted May 07, 2016 04:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Just be careful...keep your eyes open, with your emotions and head firmly based in reality. Dont ignore any little red flags, if he gets attached expect holy hell if you chose to leave.

To answer your original question, NO, i do NOT think your being paranoid, i think your being smart and consciences.

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Hehe! Thanks.. I was presenting only a part of the picture, so in my head, I was being unfair.. But like you said.. the 'positives' are only so, if I can see them in real life. I'll just take those as they come, and try not to get carried away.

While we're at this though -- another little tidbit. His Destinn is conjunct my Deja (at 0°) and my Destinn is conjunct his Nessus-NN (a little wider, at 3°).