posted December 10, 2017 01:48 PM            

I am hoping we can discuss possible interpretations of these, with open minds, as I wholeheartedly believe that we do not understand Nessus yet.

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Before we continue, I think it would be helpful to consider the myth underpinning Pluto. In this Greek myth, Hades, Lord of the Underworld, kidnaps and rapes Persephone. It was likely a myth which described the changing seasons rather than the less than palatable behaviour of some humans, however, for the purposes of this discussion, let's take it literally.

So. We have a myth describing kidnap and rape represented by Pluto. Yet, everyone has a Pluto. Few people will kidnap and rape another. We ascribe useful qualities to Pluto. We go beyond the myth to the energy and ways in which that energy can be channelled without harming others.

I would like us to take the same broad-mindedness to Nessus. Like Pluto, there is not much positivity in the myth. So we have to go beyond the story to the energy.

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I feel that Pluto and Nessus are very similar energies - power, control, determination, desire, leadership, passion, depth of feeling, etc.

An important thing I think we should consider is that Nessus does not actually rape Dejanira. He attempts to either rape or kidnap her. What he does do is murder Hercules, who, incidentally, had already raped Dejanira. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deianira

Some questions to consider (please add your own, we need to dig deeper):

What happened?
Why did Nessus NOT kidnap or rape Dejanira? She was a vulnerable female, she could not have gotten away easily.
Why did he kill Hercules, her rapist, instead?
Did he wish to remove any barriers to having Dejanira to himself?
Or did he think better of his actions and defend her honour?
Why did he not just kidnap and rape her like Hades did with Persephone?

There is something we are missing here.

What is clear to me is that Nessus is not actually as guilty of 'abuse' as Hades.
Yet when we see Pluto in synastry or natal, we tend to speak more positively about these contacts than Nessus.

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I have Nessus conjunct the North Node.

I work with vulnerable people, many of them survivors of abuse at various stages of their healing journey's. And I knew I was destined to do so from 13 years old.
While I have a degree and years of experience, I also have a direct channel of empathy as a healed survivor of abuse myself.

My Nessus conjunct the North Node makes perfect sense.

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Share your Nessus contacts to planets or points under 3 degrees and let's see what we come up with

posted December 11, 2017 05:00 AM            

Nessus in the First Trine Dejanira in Taurus in the 4th house.

Draconic Nessus Conjunct Natal Osiris in Virgo.

I Actually fear my own power greatly but people are weary when trying to take Advantage of me like any time I might pounce but that might be the Pluto in 12th house. And No I am not a sadistic Sexual predator. Actually far from that, I am actually trying to heal my sexuality and reading Alexander Lowen made me understand the benefits of this.

posted December 11, 2017 05:36 AM            

In the wiki entry I just read it says Heracles rescued Deianira from Nessus before he could rape her.

I think it's so fascinating a myth and ... It feels at the hades level of being compelled, out of control, brought down low. It's almost like Nessus shows up a hypocrisy because Deianira is as compelled as him to seek control. I see the chain like aspect of one desire for control being regifted for another's desire for control as significant - like we can't judge Nessus (maybe because there's an authenticity in desire of this scale that's rarely eclipsed) without being presented with our own desire & fallibility. I think Nessus won't allow for surface measures of justice, who appears to be righteous - everyone is forced to the ground and to fight their demons. No one gets off free.

I don't have the overview of many centaur myths but something about it reminds me of Chiron - that very neat & painful entanglement with others where the oneness of everyone has to be recognised through dark means

posted December 11, 2017 10:20 PM            

Things are a bit unclear when it comes to Heracles, we can't say whether he raped her or not, and even if he raped, he also promised to come back and marry her later, was it the norm to marry the one you rape in those days? easy way to get girls maybe.

posted December 11, 2017 10:43 PM            

Both failed.

posted December 12, 2017 09:21 AM            

Anonymid,
I really appreciate the information you have brought to this thread. I posted one link as a starting point, but yes, the myths are a bit nebulous as soon as you dig a little.
So, it looks like Nessus was stopped by Hercules from harming Dejanira. Oh, the irony!!

And yes, why do we ascribe such positive qualities to Hercules, he'd be in jail for this behaviour in these days!

I suppose women were more or less commodities then (times have changed slightly, perhaps?). Dejanira would probably want to be married following rape because it may be shameful otherwise and she could have been ostracised. Also, there is a chance she could be pregnant, but with no husband. Again, dangerous for the ancient woman.

Florence,
you said something that really struck a chord with me when considering Nessus - to be intimately acquainted with one's shadow.
Boy, I wish Jung were around so we could ask him his thoughts on this!

I will be back discuss soon.

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In the meantime,
from the information we have so far, can anyone see this type of energy in their personal planet(s) that is touched by Nessus?

posted December 13, 2017 09:49 AM            

ummm as far as nessus goes I think he's a liar, manipulator, and succeeded what he wanted in the end even though he did not successfully rape dejanira it was more like REVENGE SUCCEEDED! dejanira was too vulnerable,possessive and insecure IMO. I don't think its healthy to put a spell (nessus blood) not even on your husband to make himself faithful to you, i see that as morally wrong to do and pathetic, thus I don't see that Dejanira was using her brain at all. You can't trust someone who attempts to rape you, the trust is gone and she should've known better.

I don't think Dejanira and Nessus is as bad as some people think it is, i think it really depends on how mature the person is cause in that case they will handle there Nessus positively such as you (Nessus Conjunct Northnode) well! but the Node is a different story that's entirely a different arena, as i see the Node as a challenge for us and the South Node a comforting place for us. But that's just my opinion based off of researching, studying, and personal experience.

posted December 13, 2017 02:22 PM            

Here's one of my favorite videos on Nessus.

Listen to the WHOLE vid, if you have time. I know she has Timestamps, but, you might miss some really good information doing that.

Enjoy learning ... excellent research presented in this vid.

(topic) Nessus transits Pisces {Feb 2015 to Jan 2034} (Jean Wiley) [52:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_wBAgkN7BA

posted December 13, 2017 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
I plan eventually to add to this thread.
Thanks Doux!

Here's one of my favorite videos on Nessus.

Listen to the WHOLE vid, if you have time. I know she has Timestamps, but, you might miss some really good information doing that.

Enjoy learning ... excellent research presented in this vid.

(topic) Nessus transits Pisces {Feb 2015 to Jan 2034} (Jean Wiley) [52:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_wBAgkN7BA

currently
7066 Nessus Pisces 4.32'02"
speed 1'0"
declination 21.42'56" S

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This was awesome!

posted December 13, 2017 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:

In the meantime, from the information we have so far, can anyone see this type of energy in their personal planet(s) that is touched by Nessus?

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posted March 20, 2018 01:58 AM            

I think we need to look at Nessus by himself and not confuse him with Deianeira. Who was he specifically?

He was a centaur that tried to do something evil, then something evil happened to him as a result, and in return his "wickedness" came back around again when his blood killed Hercules.

Maybe Nessus is bad karma.

Even when you have bad intentions, that energy seeps out, poisoning your life. My mom is a drug addict. I have Nessus conjunct my moon. Nessus was conjunct my sun when my brother died. Cycles of karma are coming back around. I'm not sure what I did, but I know I've been paying for it in this life.

posted March 20, 2018 04:33 PM            

I don’t have a clear feel about Nessus and Dejanira, specially Nessus nature. I have Nessus forming a wide trine to Dejanira and my stellium of Mercury/Venus/Mercury (forming a grand trine), and then Nessus squares my Saturn/Pluto midpoint. I have Mars oppose Pluto and square Jupiter, forming a tsquare. Saturn is also conjunct my IC from the 3rd house.
I came from an abusive background, the kind of cold harsh parenting where physical and emotional harshness was present. Strangely even if I was affected, I still managed to not be too affected. I do feel that I can be very cruel and harsh on my mind, and cold, but I still can manage and heal. I don’t take revenge nor act out to hurt with intent. I don’t fall to my darker thoughts and try to take responsibility of my own emotions.

posted March 26, 2018 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
I've been studying up on Nessus because it is conjunct my moon (2 degree orb).

I think we need to look at Nessus by himself and not confuse him with Deianeira. Who was he specifically?

He was a centaur that tried to do something evil, then something evil happened to him as a result, and in return his "wickedness" came back around again when his blood killed Hercules.

Maybe Nessus is bad karma.

Even when you have bad intentions, that energy seeps out, poisoning your life. My mom is a drug addict. I have Nessus conjunct my moon. Nessus was conjunct my sun when my brother died. Cycles of karma are coming back around. I'm not sure what I did, but I know I've been paying for it in this life.

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I'm sorry. This is a lot of heaviness, and I am sorry that you feel it is your karma.

posted March 26, 2018 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
I've been studying up on Nessus because it is conjunct my moon (2 degree orb).

I think we need to look at Nessus by himself and not confuse him with Deianeira. Who was he specifically?

He was a centaur that tried to do something evil, then something evil happened to him as a result, and in return his "wickedness" came back around again when his blood killed Hercules.

Maybe Nessus is bad karma.

Even when you have bad intentions, that energy seeps out, poisoning your life. My mom is a drug addict. I have Nessus conjunct my moon. Nessus was conjunct my sun when my brother died. Cycles of karma are coming back around. I'm not sure what I did, but I know I've been paying for it in this life.

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I am so sorry you went through this. Nessus conj the Moon seems to be people who are hurt by abuse. The Moon and Venus seem to be this way. God can overcome charts, Love!

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posted March 11, 2021 06:59 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by bananaz:
I've been studying up on Nessus because it is conjunct my moon (2 degree orb).

I think we need to look at Nessus by himself and not confuse him with Deianeira. Who was he specifically?

He was a centaur that tried to do something evil, then something evil happened to him as a result, and in return his "wickedness" came back around again when his blood killed Hercules.

Maybe Nessus is bad karma.

Even when you have bad intentions, that energy seeps out, poisoning your life. My mom is a drug addict. I have Nessus conjunct my moon. Nessus was conjunct my sun when my brother died. Cycles of karma are coming back around. I'm not sure what I did, but I know I've been paying for it in this life.

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Nessus as bad karma. I missed this when this thread was active, which is a shame, because this is a very interesting take on this asteroid.

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences on their Nessus placement indicating bad karma?

posted March 11, 2021 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Nessus as bad karma. I missed this when this thread was active, which is a shame, because this is a very interesting take on this asteroid.

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In a past reply here, (and during past time period) I was mixing you up with Doux_Reve, and called you Doux, instead of Voix.

posted March 12, 2021 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:

In a past reply here, (and during past time period) I was mixing you up with Doux_Reve, and called you Doux, instead of Voix.

sorry

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I'm flattered, I like Doux!

posted March 18, 2021 02:39 PM            

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posted March 18, 2021 03:55 PM            

I grew up with a very cold, verbally and emotionally abusive father - although I don't think he ever MEANT to be this way on purpose - it was just how he grew up and the only way he knew how to be. For reference, he grew up in a large family where he had to share a bed with his 2 mean older brothers. They would kick him out of bed as he was the youngest and he would have to sleep on the hard cold floor with no pillow or blanket. In the cold North Dakota winters, this must have felt very cruel.

Anyway, my inner child is very wounded from our relationship growing up. I carry it deep in my soul. When I'm in relationships where the love or affection is not returned (which I give very freely and openly almost like a child), it feels like literal abuse to me and I always relate it back to not feeling loved as a child by my father. Unrequited love relationships are VERY triggering to me. I find the despair that comes from them manifests itself as physical illness. These relationships are also somewhat of a pattern with me, something I'm attracted to over and over, but yet so triggering.

posted March 18, 2021 05:07 PM            

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