posted January 04, 2018 12:00 PM            

I'm gonna have my Lilith return soon and I'm not sure what to expect. Have been searching some information about this transit but haven't found much about it.

My natal Lilith is at 19º Capricorn in 12th house trine Chiron in Taurus house 3rd. T-Pluto is orbitating over this point in my chart as well.

At the moment have experienced some sort of liberation about a relationship that was ended almost 3 years ago but now have seen the light about the matter (in love with a guy who did not care about me at all). He treated me really bad and after not seen him for three years, he showed up and he continued with his nasty behaviour towards me so I put my revenge into action feeling really good.
On the flipside, have started a very special friendship with someone, but don't want to run into a serious relationship at the moment.

I don't know exactly if those issues are involved about Lilith's Return.

posted January 04, 2018 06:04 PM            

1181 Lilith (asteroid)

or the hypothetical Liliths
mean, true

h13 osculating Lilith {aka "true" Lilith/BlackMoon} (lunar apogee)

h21 Lilith {aka 'Natural' Apogee} (interpolated lunar apogee)

(The glyph you see Astrodienst list as filled-in black half-circle over 'plus' sign is also named Lilith {mean Apogee}, and is almost the same as h21 {natural Apogee}. If you select h21, you can see the difference between them both.)

The orbit is elliptical... and the point shakes and wobbles during hours of the day. The natural and mean cover that particular 'space'.

The True Lilith came after the invention of computers that could gather-in the data to calculate where that point could be, with more precision.

Astrodienst uses the mean.

Some astrologers I've noted use the True instead. (h13)
The way to tell the difference is that True will have a tiny capital 'T' attached to the glyph in some way.

posted January 05, 2018 05:31 PM            

I mean Black Moon Lilith.

Haven't found any information about this transit except an input made in this forum in an old thread speaking about Lilith in synastries (there are a lot of them and came across one by chance).

According to the user that spoke about that, it seems that the native that is gonna have Lilith return should be aware of new people that are entering their lives, specially regarding love matters.

Is my personal situation and I'm having other transits touching natal Lilith (Sun-Venus-Pluto in Capricorn nex 9th January will conjunct my Lilith) and I'm a bit scared of that.

posted January 05, 2018 11:36 PM            

Again.... Mariamne, and Lerena. We need to establish the type of Black Moon Lilith -- BML.

True Black Moon Lilith (h13), or
Mean Black Moon Lilith {the one Astrodienst chooses as their default symbol}?

I just went through a series of the different kinds of BML returns to my chart. Takes a number of months.

Was interesting to watch Trump go through his too, while it traveled and wobbled through Sagittarius.

Mine was in Fire (Mean BML Sag) and Water sign (True BML Scorp).

It's okay to say Black Moon Lilith-- BML.
Just, for clarity on this thread, WHICH one?
True or Mean?

Depends on the default of the software you use--

Some purchased-software programs print the 'True' BML (h13 Osc/Apogee 'True' Black Moon Lilith). (Glyph has the little 'T' with it)

Astrodienst charts use the 'Mean' BML as their default.

My ('Mean') BML experience was like having a Mars-return energy combined with very strong PMS-surge (steroids?) at the same time!

My mean BML is 8+ Sag H12 (orb close to Asc)..
h21 'Natural'/like-a-mean, BML 9+ Sag exact-conjuncts F.S. Antares.

h13 'True' BML is on my H12 cusp Scorpio 22+.

tPluto Capricorn is now approaching within a few degrees of my asteroid 1181 Lilith 20+ Cap.

Demetra George discusses the asteroid in her Asteroid Goddesses book, pages 189 and 190. She pairs asteroid 1181 Lilith with asteroid 1685 Toro, and calls this energy-couple, "The Warriors."

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I'm not a synastry person .. (haven't really studied it). I have a book on Composites.

I DO have a few books on Lilith I can dig out of my storage bins over the weekend.

You guys/gals have CAPRICORN h-Liliths?

Tell me the house, and sign... If I can, I'll type passages out of the books.

If it's asteroid Lilith,
I can summarize what Ms George has to say, and leave excerpts of that too?

posted January 06, 2018 09:36 AM            

I meant Black Moon Lilith the asteroid. The second one you made reference.

Thanks.

posted January 06, 2018 09:38 AM            

I mean, the default Astrodiesnt shows, the Mean Black Moon Lilith whose symbol is that kind of hoe used in season times and orchards.

posted January 06, 2018 01:05 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Again.... Mariamne, and Lerena. We need to establish the type of Black Moon Lilith -- BML.

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posted January 13, 2018 01:35 PM            

"An invitation to transcend all limitations and dive into cosmic existence.
An invitation to dive into the unconscious and explore the depth of one's nature. Without such in-depth exploration, massive unresolved conflicts may completely block the native's expression in the world, and attract dramatic life circumstances. Black Moon in the 12th is like a wound, but a wound in the highest meaning of the term: a gateway into one's absolute depth. With it comes a challenge: find your essence and be yourself completely, or suffer the slings and arrows of (often self-inflicted) outrageous fortune: karma, samskaras... you name it! Black Moon-Lilith, like a powerful guardian angel, will not allow you to
sleep blissfully through a life in which you could reach awakening.

On the higher mode, this is an extremely powerful position. There is great wisdom and intuitive knowingness of hidden things associated with the Black Moon; and the 12th is the house of final maturity, where all aspects of life are recapitulated and realised in a higher spiritual unity."
www.chispaspiratus.com

The message: Be yourself, do not let others define you, and above all - remember yourself.

posted January 13, 2018 03:12 PM            

Astroid Lilith indicates where our wound originated.
Dark Moon Lilith signifies how and where we experience the distorted aspects of Lilith in our lives -her anguish, bitterness, betrayal, alienation, fear and hatred of sexuality, and revenge.
Black Moon Lilith shows how and where we cut away our pretensions, false roles, and delusions and actualize who we essentially are. (Adina) from Jeff Green glossary

posted January 15, 2018 06:09 AM            

Relating to the return, I haven't found any info about it on the net. Maybe it's not so important as other returns are. Am I right?

posted January 19, 2018 12:47 AM            

Leaving urls to articles.

Black Moon Lilith in houses
{May 16,2008}
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(black moon Lilith in the houses)
- www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000034-2.html

(black moon Lilith)
- www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/003344.html
REF - http://cosmicintelligenceagency.com/black-moon-lilith-from-the-visceral-to-the-sublime/

(asteroid Lilith)
- www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004511.html
REF - Demetra George/ Douglas Bloch

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A Quote--
German Lilith expert Hannelore Traugott gives us these insights into its meaning--
"Lilith represents something that has become unconscious and is striving to become conscious again.
Let's call it archaic energy, spiritual femininity, something akin to the wisdom of the goddess.
As long as we don't have access to this energy
we experience it psychologically as loss, suppression, isolation, emptiness, addiction and, above all, power struggles."
{ac2013}
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{story of Marianne Bachmeier, Lilith H9}
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REF
(Lilith the Dark Moon, Astrodienst)
- www.astro.com/astrology/in_lilith_e.htm

quoting
Joelle de Gravelaine in
"Lilith und das Loslassen",
Astrologie Heute Nr.23

Interpreting Lilith
During my years of astrological practice,
I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses,
as a complement to interpreting the Moon.
It would never occur to me to neglect this influence.
The Dark Moon describes our relationship to the absolute,
to sacrifice as such,
and shows how we let go.
In transit,
the Dark Moon indicates some form of castration or frustration,
frequently in the areas of desire,
a powerlessness of the psyche,
or a general inhibition.
On the other hand,
it shows where we question ourselves,
our lives, our jobs, and our beliefs.
I feel this is important,
since it gives us the opportunity to "let go" of something.
The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego.
At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity -- on the contrary -- it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God.
To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."

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*~ (asteroid Lilith)
- www.markandrewholmes.com/hidpanli.html
Quote--
..asteroid Lilith represents the principle of integration.
It rules all kinds of things people don't want anything to do with,
but which are part of the world nevertheless,
and that which forces them to deal with this reality,
including media such as television, (whose first broadcast occurred in San Francisco on Sept 6 in the year of Lilith's discovery), and the internet.

Lilith impels toward learning to cope constructively with the non-rational,
victimization,
difficult decisions,
and persons and things which one really doesn't want to deal with,
learning to handle occultism in its various forms,
repression and complication,
marginalization,
the release of suppressed anger and
other negative psychological energies,
and the destruction of beliefs based on rationalizations and prejudices,
and may be an indicator of racism, sexism,
homophobia, and other forms of bigotry.

Martha Lang-Westcott says Lilith is an indicator of
gender stereotypes,
favoritism,
divided loyalties,
triangulation (playing both ends against the middle, co-opting others' issues to undercut their support form others),
competing,
use of sex or rejection for dominance,
selection and rejection,
and decisions with regard to angles or aspects,
all of which reflect the negative Lilith tendency to be less than even-handed in dealing with others.

end/quote

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The Mountain Astrologer Editor's Choice
The Dark Goddess Lilith
by M. Kelly Hunter www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor's%20choice/articles/lilith_hunter/ lilith.html

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- www.astroamerica.com/planet4.html