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dubbhism
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posted July 06, 2018 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubbhism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everybody,

One of the things that amazes me the most when i think of asteroids is the fact that most of them got named in the 20th and 21st century, but still they can be found in charts that are even more than 2000 years old. Like a kind of retroactive effect of the (official) name.

Does anybody have some thoughts on this phenomenon? About the nature of time and free will and so on? :-)

I've written a blog with some historic examples, but i'm sure many of you have noticed the same thing. It's just that i can't find a lot of discussion of this subject. Any thoughts?

Here's the blogpost http://www.dubbhism.org/2018/07/the-retroactive-effect-of-asteroid-names_5.html#more

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Lerena
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posted July 06, 2018 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In theory, if a name fits an asteroid, an asteroid being unnamed shouldn't matter, because any asteroid would function the exact same way regardless.

When it comes to synchronicity, I first began to experience it in late 2014, and I didn't pick up on the synchronicity in question until Halloween in 2015. To be sure I wasn't biased, I checked for synchronicity before I even knew the word. There were some interesting asteroids at work through transits to my astrology chart when synchronicity took place, which is why I believe conscious knowledge is not necessarily required for synchronicity to occur. This means that even without a name, asteroids work exactly as expected no matter how far in the future they are actually named.

Additionally, transits from planets to asteroids definitely work just as well as natal aspects. From your blog post, this seems to be something you already know. I learned this the hard way and I'm very fortunate that the transit didn't play out the way it could have.

I definitely agree with what your blog post says.

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dubbhism
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posted July 07, 2018 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubbhism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Lerena,

I agree with what you say about unnamed asteroids, it shouldn't matter. But i assume it's difficult to find out their 'future names' because there are about half a million unnamed asteroids and counting.

Maybe someone on the forum can see these names in the future? It's such a tantalizing subject. I want to know if there is a Bob Marley asteroid, or a Jim Morrison asteroid or maybe a Vettius Valens asteroid :-)

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Lerena
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posted July 10, 2018 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's pretty difficult to study an asteroid that hasn't been named yet. I'm sure there's a way to pull it off, but I don't think a lot of people try to do it. A name tends to give the asteroid some context through which to study how the asteroid works.

It's a shame that so many asteroids are currently unnamed. For many of the unnamed ones, it may not be ready for their time in the spotlight (in this case, meaning being given a name).

I'm a bit curious what names the unnamed asteroids will get, but I don't think I'll be alive long enough to see them all get names.

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Randall
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posted July 12, 2018 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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dubbhism
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posted July 14, 2018 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubbhism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lerena:
[B]I think it's pretty difficult to study an asteroid that hasn't been named yet. I'm sure there's a way to pull it off, but I don't think a lot of people try to do it.

Hey Lerena, i just found an example online of how people might pull it off. Check out this page on magic, money and asteroids.
http://www.vamzzz.com/blog/money-astrology-money-magic/

The writes suggests that some Russian team got lots of charts from people who won a lottery and then they probably used a big computer and maybe even modern tricks like artificial intelligence to see the patterns. And they came up with an unnamed asteroid 15874 (1996 TL66). I guess that's a pretty good way to try it, but you probably need some computer programming skills :-)

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posted July 17, 2018 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The little r is retrograde, my Friend

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dubbhism
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posted July 18, 2018 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubbhism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well at least it's the r :-)
http://www.ayurastro.com/articles/mercury-retrograde-amazon-review-misspellings-and-artificial-intelligence

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arcturus90
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posted July 19, 2018 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for arcturus90     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OF COURSE asteroids do work even before they were named. I'm disappointed you are asking yourself this question. It should be an evidence...
But... maybe celebrities asteroids don't... But I think they do.

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dubbhism
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posted July 22, 2018 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubbhism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to disappoint anybody, but here's the thing:

- i'm myself fully convinced of the 'retroactive effect' of naming, including celebrity cases;
- i have tried to come up with an easy way to explain this to friends;
- my semi-skeptical friends who i have 'converted' to asteroid astrology so far have all raised this point of warped time/time paradoxes, it seems like a natural question;
- the IAU surely wouldn't like to admit that they're part of this;
- it seems to me that the subject is more relevant/notable in the case of asteroids than in the case of planets or stars

That's why i'd like to know if anybody on the asteroid subforum has some more general ideas on the subject, aside from just believing it because you're an experienced astrologer who sees it work all the time. For example: how you would handle this question if a somewhat skeptical friend would ask you about it?

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