posted July 19, 2019 04:12 AM            

How would the public see me?

I read somewhere that it makes you appear powerful somewhat? To be honest I just do not feel powerful and have low self esteem for some reason. I also get rude glances from other people. And I know I'm not paranoid. Maybe my energy rubs them the wrong way? So many possibilities.

I would love your insight! Thank you

posted July 19, 2019 04:34 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Randall:
Welcome!

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posted July 20, 2019 01:27 PM            

Just letting you know that you were not forgotten. I put in some hours of research for you the other day. {Sorry I was not in a position to write and be able to share my findings.}

I will 'try' later.
May take as long as a few days at this point right now?
Or! sooner. Depends on my environment! *smile*

posted July 20, 2019 11:52 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Hello and Welcome Polly!!!
So glad you decided to register here, and to participate with the motley assorted group of us.

Just letting you know that you were not forgotten. I put in some hours of research for you the other day. {Sorry I was not in a position to write and be able to share my findings.}

I will 'try' later.
May take as long as a few days at this point right now?
Or! sooner. Depends on my environment! *smile*

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posted July 21, 2019 07:59 AM            

In my searching I've come across this quote from Demetra George:
“The Asteroid Lilith describes the first stage in the mythical journey where she is suppressed, humiliated and flees in a fiery rage to the desolate wilderness. The Dark Moon Lilith depicts the pain of her exile where she plots and executes revenge. The Black Moon Lilith shows how she transmutes her distorted image back into its natural healthy expression”

Asteroid Lilith seems to be the most associated with feminism and struggle for equality out of all the Liliths. Rebellion agains gender norms or against oppression of any kind, or a general longing for freedom... An inner instinctual femininity, as opposed to societal standards of femininity.

That resonates a lot with me at least. I've never fit the norms of womanhood, and never wanted to.

posted July 21, 2019 01:24 PM            

Asteroid Lilith conjunct your Midheaven, gives her more prominence with the public, and your career sector. Could be utilized as an indicator of 'talent' used in a career. Something you can become known for.

such as.. Negotiations, Conflict Resolution.
Skillful Negotiations and Compromise.

Sagittarius is a sign that can be associated with Law, Religion, Teaching, Publishing, Travel, Sports.

aside
> link to 'Vocational Guide'
in Labors of Love Forum
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006543.html

Demetra George & Douglas Bloch (c1986,2003 edition).
Asteroid Goddesses- The Mythology, Psychology, and Astrology of the Re-emerging Feminine.
- http://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Goddesses-Mythology-Psychology-Re-Emerging/dp/0892540826

quotes
page 187 Tables
1181 Lilith =
examines the
Capacity to 'constructively release' repressed anger, and resolve conflict.

(1181 Lilith is energetically paired in polarity with ..)
1685 Toro = Capacity to use and control power.

These two represent the
Polarity Principle called
"The Warriors"

page 189-190
LILITH 1181
portrayed as 'goddess of the night who tames the wild beasts',
represents
the principle of repressed anger and conflict resolution.

Originally,
Lilith was a handmaiden of the great goddess Inanna from Sumeria who brought in the men from the fields to the holy temple at Erech, for the sacred, sexual customs.
<skipping well-known Hebrew story of Lilith as the first wife of Adam>

* Astrologically,
Lilith {linked with Toro},
forms an intermediary step in the octave progression between Mars and Pluto, and
addresses the issues of personal sexual power, and repressed anger.

* In interpersonal relationships,
her responses range from complete withdrawal,
to bickering and sexual manipulation,
to 'skillful negotiation and compromise'.

Because of the primal resentment that arises from being rejected,
Lilith contains a tremendous amount of repressed anger.
This 'suppressed rage', when activated, has the potential to erupt into sexual domination and violence.

* On the positive side,
Lilith teaches us "the art of consensus"
by which the transformative energy of Mars-Pluto can be used to 'fuse' (rather than destroy) relationships.

IN CHART ANALYSIS..
a prominent Lilith
displays the quality of personal independence, and a refusal to submit to another or compromise one's beliefs, as well as the potential for resolution.

Stressful placements of Lilith
point to the perception of the feminine
as 'evil' (the vamp),
potential rape and sexual abuse
.. (especially when aspected to Toro or Saturn),
or the inability to reach agreement until power issues are resolved.

* Lilith's aspects to the planets
depict how the contacted planet deals with the issue of "conflict resolution."
examples
Lilith-Ceres
.. focuses on resolving conflict in 'family matters';
Lilith-Jupiter contacts
.. may involve religious beliefs;
Lilith-Venus
.. the focus is on love and sex, etc.

* In synastry
Lilith contacts signify the need for the individuals to learn 'negotiation',
as well as potential problems involving sexual fear, rejection, anger, and suspicion.

end of quotes

posted July 21, 2019 04:42 PM            

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posted July 21, 2019 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
That resonates a lot with me at least. I've never fit the norms of womanhood, and never wanted to.

My mother has True Lilith (oscillating BML) on the Midheaven and she has had to struggle with people not accepting her as she is... judgement, bullying and stuff like that. As a result she has also struggled with her self-esteem.

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[Rant and thought]

Wow, I relate in some way..To be honest with you, I'm a bit of a tomboy ( According to myself and what people had told me). But I feel repressed even now ..labeling myself. I feel like people mis-read me and it hurts me a lot.I feel like they put me in their little box and call it a day. It does not help me when I also feel energies from people. I feel judged for being who I am. Guys think I'm too manly for them and act as if I'm their bro. Girls just do not want to hang out with me. I try to think logical and ask myself "Why am I feeling this way?" could it just be me and the energy I project? or "Am I the problem?" I do not think I'm that powerful for anyone to intimidated by me (Sorry If I'm all over the place lol). I have low self esteem and I've been called ugly when I was younger and I've been called unintelligent from teachers and classmates. And they Call me crazy for calling out their bs . I know when someone is talking about me and I confront them. I was never diplomatic when I was younger. I felt like I need to be in control of any situation that comes my way. Sometimes I barely speak for fear of looking stupid. I guess you can say that I was intense. But I never intended to be that way. I just.. I just want them to accept me for how I already am. Just like how I accept them as they are. I use to cry a lot ( I barely cry now). But when I was in high school, I cried because I felt like I was not normal and I felt like I was an outcast looking in from another dimension. I do not think I'm special. I know for a fact that there are other people who went through the same thing I went through. And I just detach from myself and not allow myself to "feel" because I just do not want to be called "too much" or "extra". I hate this side of myself. My real self is rebellious and I rather die than conform to their close minded standards. Sorry not sorry. I'm talking about people like (parents, friends and foes). They do not know the real me.

As for the opposite gender goes, I always get called cute (lets be honest here, some women would hate to be called cute). I know it has to do more than looks but it is how they "say' it and their tone. With me, it sounds condescending. It's as if they see me a little girl and can't be taken seriously. I'm only 20. But I feel more than 20. In my book, Looks matter too however...I also want to be respected and admired for my Talents, knowledge, personality, and my MIND. And I overthink everything and replay it in my head until I suffocate myself.

As for rejection goes, I got better at not caring. I just remember that as long as I say my truth and go after my soul purpose I will evolve and improve. I will be whole. I know that I don't need anyone to make me feel happy. Happiness comes from within and starts with you.

Not going to lie, I do get mad when people stare at me a lot. Some stare and some glance. But it just makes me feel like a freak. I don't have a problem talking about taboo things really. In fact those are things that intrigues me the most. And when I do start talking about it with my close friends, they just call me "creepy". But anyway..who else wants to rant? lol

posted July 21, 2019 06:30 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Very sexy. Gets a lot of attention for looks but may not like it and want attention for something besides looks.

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posted July 21, 2019 06:31 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Adding to the information Nadja provided.

Asteroid Lilith conjunct your Midheaven, gives her more prominence with the public, and your career sector. Could be utilized as an indicator of 'talent' used in a career. Something you can become known for.

such as.. Negotiations, Conflict Resolution.
Skillful Negotiations and Compromise.

Sagittarius is a sign that can be associated with Law, Religion, Teaching, Publishing, Travel, Sports.

aside
> link to 'Vocational Guide'
in Labors of Love Forum
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006543.html

Demetra George & Douglas Bloch (c1986,2003 edition).
Asteroid Goddesses- The Mythology, Psychology, and Astrology of the Re-emerging Feminine.
- http://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Goddesses-Mythology-Psychology-Re-Emerging/dp/0892540826

quotes
page 187 Tables
[b]1181 Lilith =
examines the
Capacity to 'constructively release' repressed anger, and resolve conflict.

(1181 Lilith is energetically paired in polarity with ..)
1685 Toro = Capacity to use and control power.

These two represent the
Polarity Principle called
"The Warriors"

page 189-190
LILITH 1181
portrayed as 'goddess of the night who tames the wild beasts',
represents
the principle of repressed anger and conflict resolution.

Originally,
Lilith was a handmaiden of the great goddess Inanna from Sumeria who brought in the men from the fields to the holy temple at Erech, for the sacred, sexual customs.
<skipping well-known Hebrew story of Lilith as the first wife of Adam>

* Astrologically,
Lilith {linked with Toro},
forms an intermediary step in the octave progression between Mars and Pluto, and
addresses the issues of personal sexual power, and repressed anger.

* In interpersonal relationships,
her responses range from complete withdrawal,
to bickering and sexual manipulation,
to 'skillful negotiation and compromise'.

Because of the primal resentment that arises from being rejected,
Lilith contains a tremendous amount of repressed anger.
This 'suppressed rage', when activated, has the potential to erupt into sexual domination and violence.

* On the positive side,
Lilith teaches us "the art of consensus"
by which the transformative energy of Mars-Pluto can be used to 'fuse' (rather than destroy) relationships.

IN CHART ANALYSIS..
a prominent Lilith
displays the quality of personal independence, and a refusal to submit to another or compromise one's beliefs, as well as the potential for resolution.

Stressful placements of Lilith
point to the perception of the feminine
as 'evil' (the vamp),
potential rape and sexual abuse
.. (especially when aspected to Toro or Saturn),
or the inability to reach agreement until power issues are resolved.

* Lilith's aspects to the planets
depict how the contacted planet deals with the issue of "conflict resolution."
examples
Lilith-Ceres
.. focuses on resolving conflict in 'family matters';
Lilith-Jupiter contacts
.. may involve religious beliefs;
Lilith-Venus
.. the focus is on love and sex, etc.

* In synastry
Lilith contacts signify the need for the individuals to learn 'negotiation',
as well as potential problems involving sexual fear, rejection, anger, and suspicion.

end of quotes

Helps this adds to your understanding. [/B]

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posted July 22, 2019 12:20 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
I heard this placement can lead to drama. Gives you a bad reputation. Can't confirm.

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posted July 22, 2019 01:34 PM            

Polly.. At your age (20), this is exactly the question you are needing to sort an answer to (for yourself) right now.

Go Within, Polly. It's not about 'them'.

Go Within...
Go spend some time alone in nature.
Throw a sandwich and drink into a backpack, with journal. Go be alone and spend time with 'you'.

Spend time 'inside' yourself, and really ask self 'who' you really are.

Examine all the values and ideas and potentials you hold inside about yourself, and to begin to sort through them, like going through your clothes closet. Update. Toss what doesn't please you.

Some values don't "fit" you anymore.
Some values belonged to your friends-group and you are moving-past that now--
simply allow those mindsets to change.
Let go of that tension, that pressure on yourself?

Mercury is retrograde, as well as Neptune, Saturn, and Pluto. Time to self-reflect, for the kinds of changes you'd like to adopt for the future.

You're a couple months before your 21st Birthday.

You're transforming and sorting through images and ideas that belonged to your gone-teenage years, and really setting a new sight and set of values for this new decade ahead. What belongs to your 'Future' goals,
your Future self?

With Love--- Go Inside You.
Spend quality-time within you--

No heavy uses of mind-numbing, mild anxiety-producing checking-in with what 'OTHERs' are thinking on social-electronic media.

Your mind and head needs a break!! LOL
So much so, that your head is shouting that question back at you (Projection) from what you think others are saying---

Gently, With Love-- Well? ….
"Who do you think you really are?" … That's your deep-psyche and deep-soul asking you that question.

posted July 22, 2019 01:39 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
"Who do you think you are?”

Polly.. At your age (20), this is exactly the question you are needing to sort an answer to (for yourself) right now.

Go Within, Polly. It's not about 'them'.

Go Within...
Go spend some time alone in nature.
Throw a sandwich and drink into a backpack, with journal. Go be alone and spend time with 'you'.

Spend time 'inside' yourself, and really ask self 'who' you really are.

Examine all the values and ideas and potentials you hold inside about yourself, and to begin to sort through them, like going through your clothes closet. Update. Toss what doesn't please you.

Some values don't "fit" you anymore.
Some values belonged to your friends-group and you are moving-past that now--
simply allow those mindsets to change.
Let go of that tension, that pressure on yourself?

Mercury is retrograde, as well as Neptune, Saturn, and Pluto. Time to self-reflect, for the kinds of changes you'd like to adopt for the future.

You're a couple months before your 21st Birthday.

You're transforming and sorting through images and ideas that belonged to your gone-teenage years, and really setting a new sight and set of values for this new decade ahead. What belongs to your 'Future' goals,
your Future self?

With Love--- Go Inside You.
Spend quality-time within you--

No heavy uses of mind-numbing, mild anxiety-producing checking-in with what 'OTHERs' are thinking on social-electronic media.

Your mind and head needs a break!! LOL
So much so, that your head is shouting that question back at you (Projection) from what you think others are saying---

Gently, With Love-- Well? ….
"Who [b]do you think you really are?" … That's your deep-psyche and deep-soul asking you that question.

BE Okay with you-- and who you are "in your own skin" [/B]

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Wow, actually I needed this. Because It’s probably the Law of attraction speaking to me. Maybe deep within I disliked myself and it’s projecting back at me. “What you think, you become”

posted July 22, 2019 04:14 PM            

Asteroid Lilith

KEY WORDS. Rebellion, feminist, prostitution, exile, freedom fighter, confrontational, equality, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, asexual, instinctual, hands-on healing.
three-liliths http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-lilith/

She is brimming with youthful vigor. So she is the eternal teenager, the rebel.

…Asteroid Lilith subjects are a prime candidate for projection….
http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-lilith/

A prominent asteroid Lilith placement in the birth chart may indicate a person who does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community. http://heliastar.com/cosmic-feminine/lilith-triple-goddess/

Due to the strong reactions they garner from people, people with prominent liliths will probably frequently experience people being mean to them for no reason, especially with the conjunction and opposition
…

May feel very rejected for how they Express themselves, or just feel rejected for how they are in general
….

posted July 22, 2019 07:26 PM            

for background-------------
There are Four Liliths

* Asteroid Lilith: 1181
* Osculating Lilith/ True Lilith: h13
* 'Black' Moon Lilith/ Mean Lilith: h21
* 'Dark' Moon Lilith/ 'Waldemath' Black Moon: h58

The Fixed Star Algol is at a fairly steady 26 Taurus.
Algol is a star in the head of Medusa in the constellation Perseus.

Only Asteroid Lilith is an actual physical body.
Two of the Liliths are theoretical points.
The Waldemath Black Moon may or may not be a real body.
Then, there is the "fixed star Algol" which is also associated with Lilith.

* Asteroid Lilith 1181
is the only Lilith that is an actual, verifiable physical body.

* Black Moon Lilith h21
is also known as Mean Lilith.
This Lilith uses the 'average orbit' of the theoretical Black Moon.
This is why she is called mean Lilith.
Mean refers to the average, not her temperament.

* Osculating Lilith h13
is also called True Lilith
Her orbit oscillates wildly-- this is why she is called true lilith.
This Lilith uses the 'real orbit' of the Black Moon.
Her orbit is the real orbit of the Black Moon rather than an average.
This is another theoretical point.
Some people, like Juan Antonio Revilla, believe that she is the most important Lilith and most accurately portrays Lilith’s 'uncontrollable' nature.

* Dark Moon Lilith h58
is also called
the Waltemath Black Moon,
or "Waldemath Black Moon".
Some people have claimed to have seen this Moon, but those claims cannot be substantiated.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -
To find your Liliths
Go to www.astro.com
Free Horoscopes,
Extended Chart selection
.. and scroll to the bottom of the page.

Copy and paste these numbers into the 'empty box' on the bottom of the screen:
1181, h13, h21, h58, Algol,

Press “Click here to show the chart.”

(There are more article links at end of page.)
REF
- http://astrofix.net/how-to-find-all-four-liliths-in-your-birth-chart/

posted July 22, 2019 09:14 PM            

HISTORY
1181 Lilith (1927 CQ)
Discovered 1927-Feb-11 by Jekhovsky, B.
at Algiers

"Name asteroid"

Lili Boulanger (1893–1918), French classical composer

(music) Vieille pričre bouddhique {An Old Buddhist Prayer} (Lili Boulanger, 1917) [8:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvvlnnm5vxc

Composer: Marie-Juliette Olga "Lili" Boulanger
(August 21, 1893 – March 15, 1918)
Chorus: Monteverdi Choir
Orchestra: London Symphony Orchestra conducted by John Eliot Gardiner
Soloist: Julian Podger, tenor

- http://lyricstranslate.com/en/vieille-pričre-bouddhique-old-buddhist-prayer.html

lyrics
Let everything that breathes
-- let all creatures everywhere,
all the spirits and all those who are born,
all the women, all the men,
Aryans, and non-Aryans,
all the gods and all the people
and those who are fallen
in the East and in the West, of the North and the South,
Let all those beings which exist --
without enemies, without obstacles, overcoming their grief
and attaining happiness, be able to move freely,
each in the path destined for them.

My Placement--
1181 Lilith rx Capricorn 20.56 H2

conjunct
580 Selene rx Capricorn 20.58
Wil, Prime

2095 Parsifal rx Capricorn 19.18
P.o.Destiny Capricorn 19.35
3162 Nostalgia rx Capricorn 19.45
592 Bathseba rx Capricorn 21.17
FixedStar Sulafat Capricorn 21.18

1685 Toro Cancer 21.26 H8
h13 True Lilith Scorpio 22.57 H12,cusp
Saturn-rx Scorpio 16+ H11

Moon Virgo 24+ H(9)
Neptune-rx Libra 25+ H10
Uranus Cancer 25+ H8

posted July 23, 2019 03:23 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Excellent, Astroflower!

for background-------------
There are Four Liliths

* Asteroid Lilith: 1181
* Osculating Lilith/ True Lilith: h13
* 'Black' Moon Lilith/ Mean Lilith: h21
* 'Dark' Moon Lilith/ 'Waldemath' Black Moon: h58

The Fixed Star Algol is at a fairly steady 26 Taurus.
Algol is a star in the head of Medusa in the constellation Perseus.

Only Asteroid Lilith is an actual physical body.
Two of the Liliths are theoretical points.
The Waldemath Black Moon may or may not be a real body.
Then, there is the "fixed star Algol" which is also associated with Lilith.

* [b]Asteroid Lilith 1181
is the only Lilith that is an actual, verifiable physical body.

* Black Moon Lilith h21
is also known as Mean Lilith.
This Lilith uses the 'average orbit' of the theoretical Black Moon.
This is why she is called mean Lilith.
Mean refers to the average, not her temperament.

* Osculating Lilith h13
is also called True Lilith
Her orbit oscillates wildly-- this is why she is called true lilith.
This Lilith uses the 'real orbit' of the Black Moon.
Her orbit is the real orbit of the Black Moon rather than an average.
This is another theoretical point.
Some people, like Juan Antonio Revilla, believe that she is the most important Lilith and most accurately portrays Lilith’s 'uncontrollable' nature.

* Dark Moon Lilith h58
is also called
the Waltemath Black Moon,
or "Waldemath Black Moon".
Some people have claimed to have seen this Moon, but those claims cannot be substantiated.

- - - - - - - - - - - - -
To find your Liliths
Go to www.astro.com
Free Horoscopes,
Extended Chart selection
.. and scroll to the bottom of the page.

Copy and paste these numbers into the 'empty box' on the bottom of the screen:
1181, h13, h21, h58

Press “Click here to show the chart.”

(There are more article links at end of page.)
REF
- http://astrofix.net/how-to-find-all-four-liliths-in-your-birth-chart/

(article)
Lilith: Bewitched, Bothered, & Bewildered
- http://straightwoo.com/2018/03/21/lilith-bewitched-bothered-bewildered/
(scroll to end of article, and she provides links to other 12 other Lilith refs)[/B]

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So which Lilith Is more important? Isn't it the one on astro.com from "additional objects". So there is actually 5 liliths. Correct me if I'm wrong.

posted July 26, 2019 06:26 AM            

I can say I am a 'rebel' -refuse to be 'under' someone, started my own business because of this.

I get attention- a lot of it- either in admiration or hostility. usually admiration from girls (im a guy) and hostility from men (though sometimes they give me admiration too)

I genuinely hate being told what to do by anyone- that includes what to think, what to feel, how to feel, how to act.

posted July 26, 2019 09:25 AM            

Curious, is your BML on F.S. Antares (Sag ~9+), or maybe in mid-Taurus? I'm assuming by your use of BML, you are not referring to the 'asteroid' Lilith.

Polly. For the answer to your question, please read the 'quoted' material I had carefully researched and typed-out for you. The answer to your question is there, (in the same post) you quoted my reply. It's within the descriptions of all the Liliths.

{In the future?..}
Gently, I really prefer NOT to have every one of my replies to be automatically *whole quoted*.

Sometimes, I need to go back into that material, to correct a mistake, or to clarify a sentence, or to ADD more materials. Keeps everything together, and adds to the quality of the response.

If you value the materials I provide, and would like me to continue to add "quality" content in your threads, I prefer *NO WHOLE QUOTES*-- unless of course, it is appropriate to do so.