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NomadDeb
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posted January 29, 2020 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm seeking some insight on a few aspects that have me confused:

Mercury Oriental, Vesta, Juno, and Sun all in the 4th house under Virgo
Dejanira in the 5th house with Venus under Libra
Pallas retrograde with the moon in the 10th house under Pisces.
AC in Gemini, Chiron and True Node in 12th house

Any insights are appreciated. Happy to answer relevant questions. Thank You!!

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posted January 29, 2020 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What number is Oriental?

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posted January 29, 2020 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
What number is Oriental?

By number you mean?
0 degrees into Virgo with a 45 hovering above on my astro.com chart.

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posted January 29, 2020 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SecretGeek, here's an article that describes the conditions around an 'Oriental' Mercury.

by Glaukus!
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011562.html

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posted January 29, 2020 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NomadDeb:
By number you mean?
0 degrees into Virgo with a 45 hovering above on my astro.com chart.

I understand now. Sorry for the confusion.

I have an Oriental Mercury also.

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posted January 29, 2020 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd look at the asteroid's orb relative to another object.

For example, my Pisces Pallas is sextile my Capricorn Saturn having an orb of about 40 minutes.

So that one is in play using an orb of 1 degree or less.

If the asteroids are not in play on our chart, maybe they will be with another.

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posted January 29, 2020 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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posted January 30, 2020 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 30, 2020 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
::TMI ALERT::
Now here is the perplexing part. I've become anything but that person. I see in my chart the opportunity for growth and knowing and a deep sense of understanding but instead I'm riddled with fear and confusion. I've come to see my presence as the ushering in of loss for others- unless I willingly offer myself in a martyr-like servitude. Trapped in a skinny frame my weight bears so heavy on life that it seems to be beating me back into the dirt. I start at A and attempt to move to B then C in reasonable progression but find myself spinning in a soup of numbers and letters with nary a direction and always ending up outside looking in on joy, fulfillment, and connection. I used to be led by the bright flame of hope and confidence, now I cower behind depression and anxiety.
Tell me, if any of you see it, wherein lies the source of this paradoxical motion? Can I harness the chaos to build a garden of eden? If not in these aspects, I can provide both birth details and chart drawings.

If this isn't the place for this kind of questioning, kindly inform me of where I might find guidance in this regard. Thanks to this community for your generosity <3

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posted January 30, 2020 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 30, 2020 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"If not in these aspects, I can provide both birth details and chart drawings."

Please do here.

If you need help, I can walk you through it.

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posted January 31, 2020 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good. Thanks SG.
I don't know how much longer I'll be on the internet.
Our computer has been going nuts with flags and warnings of deletion of files within matters of seconds.

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posted January 31, 2020 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"If not in these aspects, I can provide both birth details and chart drawings."

Please do here.

If you need help, I can walk you through it.


Birth details:
September 9th, 1984
11:27pm
Oceanside, CA

I'll upload a chart to the other thread when I can. Buckets of thanks!

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posted January 31, 2020 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

What other thread?

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posted January 31, 2020 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Thanks.

What other thread?


Mirage suggested I post to some kind of welcome thread with a little introduction.

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posted January 31, 2020 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mirage suggested I post to some kind of welcome thread with a little introduction.

Thank-you.

Not something I would do but many are like that I suppose.

Either way, are you interested in only the asteroids you mentioned?

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posted January 31, 2020 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Thank-you.

Not something I would do but many are like that I suppose.

Either way, are you interested in the only asteroids you mentioned?


Not exactly. I mention those because in years of studying the basics I'm unfamiliar with the affect of asteroids. I'm trying to seek out any insights to my current (3 year long) stint of confusion, feeling like my forward action takes me backward, falling into unexpected rabbit holes where I used to be better at moving with the flow of my life. I'm wondering if there's something that might help me see a path through a dark time.

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posted January 31, 2020 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For starters:

My first thought is seeing your Jupiter conjunct your Neptune in the 7th house (partners).

I'd say that could influence major confusion.

Both are trine to your Mercury which is square your Moon nodes.

What category would you place the "dark times" in?

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posted January 31, 2020 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I think your chart ruler Mercury could be the main issue you're experiencing.

Since it's square the Nodes.

Do you have a high IQ?

The reason I ask is because Mercury is exalted and on Regulus.

Also, your Sun and Moon are opposite to each other and square your AC/DC axis.

North Node in 12th could cause a blind spot to where you're going.

So I can see your obstacles.

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posted January 31, 2020 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ideally, the path to take would be towards the North Node.

Your North Node is on the cusp of Gemini and Taurus where Alcyone is.

So astrology articles of NN in Gemini and NN in Taurus could qualify what areas to move toward.

^^ That would be one solution.

Your destiny is associated with Neptune (confusion) because your NN is in the 12th house.

The 12th house represents your subconscious mind and is not normally accessible without work.

So your path may not be clear.


Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mark Twain had Alcyone on their NN. According to the following article, homosexuality could be associated with Neptune and Alcyone, because your NN is in your 12th house.
http://astrologyking.com/alcyone-star-pleiades/

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posted February 05, 2020 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are some interestingly relatable bits from the site you shared on Alcyone:

Since childhood I’ve sent my prayers to the Seven Sisters constellation, even before I knew the name of the cluster.
I’ve spent 15 years studying and working with people through “life transitions”, whether a literal birth or death, or more the metaphoric birth or death of self/family/work/relationships/etc. It’s the closest thing I’ve experienced to a calling but I struggled to push my practice into a profitable business.

…I’d almost be inclined to say the confusion started around the birth of my child in 2016 (May 20, 2016, 6:21a, Missoula, MT) when I started to shift away from that career in hopes of focusing on my role as a mother. Since then I’ve seen false start after failed attempt, most often by forces that are not directly related to my choices or actions as far as I can see. (Could I have stepped off my "right" course?)

For decades I have experienced unexplained loss of vision. Multiple eye doctors have been unable to give any definitive diagnosis or effective treatment. Further, I suffered an acute injury in the winter of 2018 related to a condition I was unaware I had: Neurogenic Thoracic Outlet Syndrome (a condition of the neck, shoulders, and collarbone area). After a year of treatments and reduced work hours I’m told I likely have permanent nervous system damage, my whole body through. My nervous system spends hours buzzing, from about 2a until about 8-9a every night.

Yes, I have a higher than average IQ, though I struggle with anxiety and depression, both of which seriously impair my cognitive ability. So much so that I’ve noticed an intense decline in cognitive functioning over the last few years.

I’d like to hear more about the Jupiter/Neptune/7th house aspect. I’ll do some research into it as well but I’m finding your insights constructive (so thanks). There’s a great deal of confusion in regard to interpersonal relationships as well. It seems that only professional relationships are reasonably manageable. As soon as something becomes personal (friends, family, partner, or similar) something shifts and the relationship seems to work in strange ways (again, that feeling of not being able to go from a to z in a logical progression. Rather than I’m walking in circles on the ceiling when the other is standing steady on the ground….if my analogy makes sense.) Strangers and I get along swimmingly.

And the sun/moon opposition is also something I’ve noticed but don’t quite understand. I assume moon in the 10th is about my emotions being on the public/career front (what about Pallas being there as well?), while my sun hiding at home in the 4th house (with Vesta AND Juno!). Further, they’re both square my AC and each is close to either MC or IC (is there something there to note?)

I will definitely look into the NN articles. I’m curious if the presence of Chiron or Lucifer in the same house and sign is significant. Also, these “dark times” seem to pervade a number of areas of my life: family, friends, work, health…it seems like every pillar of my foundation is crumbling, like the truths I based my values on are suddenly cloaked in uncertainty.

Again and again, many thanks for everyone’s insight and support while I learn about the natal aspects and relationships in a way that offers clarity in a time that seems filled with illusion.

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posted February 05, 2020 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oooOOOOooooOOOOoo! Just found this piece about NN in 12th:

"The 12th house is all about self-sacrifice and giving, while the 6th one indicates putting a price on what you offer. People with the North Node in the 12th house know how to price their efforts and charge for them, but have not learned yet how to give for free. A life lesson for them is to understand that there are more important things than the economical value of their work.

...Copyright (©) https://theastrocodex.com - Read more at https://theastrocodex.com/north-node-in-the-12th-house/
"

Recall the business I mentioned? I struggled to make it financially successful because I felt the drive to give away the services I was offering. It felt morally wrong to charge for them at all. But I have fallen victim over and over to the pressures of living in a consumer-based culture. I would make just enough to cover basic expenses and nothing more. As a single mom, my son and I have lived in poverty his entire life. The hope of rising out of that is fraught with confusion: Do I "suck it up" and get a 9-5 that pays well and put my kid in daycare (SN in the 6th House apparently says absolutely not.)? Do I give in to the desire to offer myself in the kind of service I feel called to and risk complete poverty (it appears NN in 12th says yes). Am I misinterpreting?

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posted February 05, 2020 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thought I had so far and I'm still thinking about what you wrote.

I think it's important you differentiate between your MC and NN placements.

They could be different.

So it may seem like your career is targeted as the result of something you read about your NN, but it may not be.

Everyone deserves to make a living.

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posted February 05, 2020 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NomadDeb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Everyone deserves to make a living.

That's just the thing. I had a chart reading wherein the woman told me she saw lifelong money fluctuation in my chart, or instability otherwise. But it seems more than that. Unstable is one thing when the income is hearty- a completely different thing when it's non-existent for long periods only to make small jumps here and there. I'm trying to decipher whether what she saw was a income-free calling and I just need to figure out a way to weather lack of financial resources or if I'm just not moving in the right direction to bring in what we need.

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posted February 05, 2020 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NomadDeb:
That's just the thing. I had a chart reading wherein the woman told me she saw lifelong money fluctuation in my chart, or instability otherwise. But it seems more than that. Unstable is one thing when the income is hearty- a completely different thing when it's non-existent for long periods only to make small jumps here and there. I'm trying to decipher whether what she saw was a income-free calling and I just need to figure out a way to weather lack of financial resources or if I'm just not moving in the right direction to bring in what we need.

My father told me to always save 15% of every paycheck for rainy days.

He raised many children and grew up in the depression as one of many children.

We never did without.

But we were raised to be frugal.

Something always happens in surprise to have to draw from savings.

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