posted March 10, 2009 07:26 PM            

This won't kill the 9/11 Truther Movement. That's because the movement is not grounded in reality and too many people have too much of an emotional investment in conspiracy to let it go.

But the confessions voluntarily given by the 5 Guantanamo detainees who are being charged with planning the 9/11 attacks should seal the deal for all but the looniest of 9/11 truthers:

The five detainees at Guantánamo Bay charged with planning the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the United States naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.

The document, which may be released publicly on Tuesday, uses the Arabic term for a consultative assembly in describing the five men as the “9/11 Shura Council,” and it says their actions were an offering to God, according to excerpts of the document that were read to a reporter by a government official who was not authorized to discuss it publicly.

The document is titled “The Islamic Response to the Government’s Nine Accusations,” the military judge at the Guantánamo Bay detention camp said in a separate filing, obtained by The New York Times, that describes the detainees’ document.

The document was filed on behalf of the five men, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who has described himself as the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

For the real 9/11 truther whackjobs, they will spin this as some kind of plot to deflect attention from the real culprits; Bush and the neocons. We might ask these guys to get a life and come out from under the bed but then they wouldn't have anything to do with themselves. They'd have to go out and get a job - much too normal for them. So in the meantime, they spin ever kookier conspiracies and ignore all evidence to the contrary - including this.

This appears to be a challenge of some kind to the Obama administration who want to close Gitmo but don't know where to put the prisoners and has stopped the military tribunals even though they have no clue about how to proceed in dispensing justice.

Maybe they'll just make them swear on the Koran to be good little terrorists and not do it again, then let them go. Makes as much sense as anything we've heard from the Obama administration so far.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/03/truther_heartache_5_gitmo_deta.html

posted March 12, 2009 11:19 AM            

I don't think so MVM. They seem rather proud of themselves for killing about 3000 American civilians on 9/11.

One of them, the master mind planner of 9/11 was waterboarded but not at Gitmo. There's just too much scrutiny there for anyone to get away with torture...even if they were so inclined.

posted March 12, 2009 05:53 PM            

I expect why some don't consider it torture is that because when one practices it while condemning the enemy for use of torture, one doesn't want to come off looking like one is throwing stones in a glass house. Others may not consider it torture because it doesn't leave physical scars. Others, particularly those who idealize Jack Baur (TV character), tend to think "it's not enough, so it doesn't count as torture." These last types are more vigilante in outlook, believing the ends justify the means, who feel certain that no one is tortured unless they're guilty of horrendous crimes, just as happens on the TV, or about any vigilante movie.

'Course others think torture is not only necessary, but good for our souls, such as the Spanish Inquisition (that also used this technique). Others--including Paul Harvey--believe that all the great nation states became great through merciless (but necessary) acts, which include torture (as well as giving blankets infested with disease to desperate peoples while depriving them of their food source, etc), and would fall to merciless conquerors themselves as they became more civilized & peaceful (once having become great). But as this is part of the "the strong take from the weak, the clever from the foolish, and the stealthy from the unaware" that is a general "bad guy/villain" philosophy, most don't like to publicly claim it.

posted March 12, 2009 06:10 PM            

dervish, no you cannot condone this or you are right back in the inquisition for real. it is bad enough that it happens. it is bad enough that some people can justify it by saying these guys are so evil they deserve it.

posted March 13, 2009 07:43 AM            

Now, speaking of water torture. Does anyone know about that? It doesn't leave any scars either. Let's look at Chinese water torture, shall we:

Trying to get it debunked on Mythbusters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFFslAjUyj4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture
http://wlai.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!8B4459029412E8CF!265.entry

posted April 18, 2011 01:50 PM            

quote:

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...if they are so proud of what they did why did it take all this time for them to say so?

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Jwhop's (and the government's) entire premise falls apart right there.

posted April 20, 2011 09:55 AM            

But let's be clear. Behind this kind of conspiracy theory lies an absolute hatred for the US. These bubble brained morons want their conspiracy theory to be true. It validates their blind hatred.

On the pages of this forum are the scientific proofs of why the WTC collapsed and also the reasons controlled demolitions could not have been involved.

I have not the slightest intention of resurrecting all that data for those who are too lazy or too befuddled to objectively sift through the scientific data or harbor such deep hatreds against the US or Bush than no level of proof would ever suffice.

You do have to know something about:
Metallurgy
Chemistry
Physics
Structural Engineering
Thermodynamics
and
The Law of Gasses
Bomb blast residue...Or

Rosie and a coven of America hating morons can get away with telling you anything they wish and you'll drink the Kool-Aid.

Besides, you really want to drink the Kool-Aid anyway.

"...if they are so proud of what they did why did it take all this time for them to say so?...katatonic

Well, for one thing, all the hijackers were dead as of September 11, 2001. They were bent on suicide and martyrdom after all.

Oh, and the story of the confessed mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was printed in the NY Times in early 2007. We don't know how long before that he actually confessed. But, it's crystal clear he's not just now coming forward with a confession.

Jwhop's (and the government's) entire premise falls apart right there."

Don't look now but your premise just turned to crap right in your hands.

posted April 20, 2011 11:58 AM            

Gone, long gone, are the days when the drivel meisters can get away with stating hair brained conclusions without proof...and expect anyone to believe them. Hair brained conclusions like yours.

You've always had your head where it doesn't belong. I suppose you've become used to the smell.

posted April 20, 2011 12:42 PM            

No, wait a minute. I need witnesses for this. Moderators. Can I get at least two of you here to, gee, I dunno, moderate this discussion?

posted April 21, 2011 07:11 PM            

Come on, get with the program and show us what you've got.

posted May 18, 2011 03:59 PM            

#2. Why was ALL of the steel from the WTC buildings (which were believed to have the substance of explosives that are painted on and only activates with fire / some say they were always, always, always painting something) - sent over seas to another country for "observations" then mysteriously re-appears in the form of an all steel ship with the names of the victims.

posted May 19, 2011 09:39 AM            

They were sprayed with foam based fire retardant after the structural skeleton of the WTC towers was erected.

I think it's simply hilarious that people could think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their evil minions were slinking around and planting explosives on the structural steel support beams in the WTC where 50,000 people worked.