posted August 05, 2011 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
Wrong how mblake?

I'm not sure if they try to pull off the NWO thing but I know it's not a permanent scenario if it is.

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posted August 05, 2011 10:46 PM            

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/3/05

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board.

FEMA turns away state-of-the-art mobile hospital from Univ. of North Carolina

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations - Financial Times, 9/5/05

FEMA rejects skills of firefighters, instructs them to hand out fliers - Salt Lake Tribune, 9/6/05

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks - New York Times, 9/6/05

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel - New York Times

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid - News Sentinel, 9/8/05

FEMA asks media not to take pictures of dead - Washington Post, 9/8/05

FEMA turns back German government plane loaded with 15 tons of food - Spiegel, 9/12/05

FEMA prevents MDs from treating dying people around them because not "federalized" - NY Times, 9/17/05

FEMA veteran states bosses ignored his critical warnings in days prior to hurricane - CNN, 9/18/05

FEMA diverts money for hurricane disaster study to future bridge options - CNN, 9/18/05

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond" Unless Dispatched - FEMA's own website.

posted August 06, 2011 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
That alone is hillarious..

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Just so I am not misunderstood because I have not been clear.

I think the whole thing is a scam including jesse if you really must know, I was simply trying to skirt around the whole thing of directly saying something with no proof other than my gut.

That is what I am saying.

Imho he is

Playing ball.

The conspiracy guy is a conspiracy.

But like I originally said, I am or could be wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkMGGKkQu6Q

posted August 06, 2011 09:14 AM            

Alex Jones has heavy links to Zionism. There are other conspiracy theorists and enough events and symbolisms to go with that

Sometimes I wonder if they're just trying to ramp things up before it's over.

I don't know if you're trying to deny all of illuminati or just the death camps.

posted August 06, 2011 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
I don't know if you're trying to deny all of illuminati or just the death camps.

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None of the cautions you listed would be of much help I think. And no I am not saying they do not exist, I am just saying it seems like a game to me.

posted August 06, 2011 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
Maybe. A lot of hindu belief is that this is a drama to be played out.. a creative expression for experiences by another slant.

I would agree it's a game.

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Otherwise the people involved will not have the correct mindset for when the drama changes scenes.

posted August 06, 2011 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
lol ...Anyway.. I really don't think we have anything to fear. My biggest fear is reincarnating on a 3rd dimensional planet again. I can't take that my soul was created to suffer.

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Mochai i am with you on this 100%.

posted August 06, 2011 01:30 PM            

I hear frequently that this is an experiment.. Alcyone's lab in some places, Earth 2.

People tell me I'm stupid for paying attention to the suffering and dramas unfolding but if god is in everything and this is a dense expression that he/she created for some purpose, and everything happens for a reason, even if that reason is just creative expression and curiousity of one small portion of god, why not ask why? If the universe is an expression of the interior and we are here to know thyself, then why shove yourself into a dark box and pretend the world isn't a certain way or that suffering isn't happening or that your lifestyle isn't fulfilling if integration to god, creative evolution back to the source is what we came here to do? Why is this 3d world drama the way that it is? Why did god put me here?

When my kundalini was really bad, the world became so incredibly beautiful, it almost hurt to look at. I had the hardest time not walking up to people and telling them that they were perfect divine expressions of god,and that they didn't have to change anything but just be. Which was really odd for me considering I had very little spiritual background having been an atheist 7 months prior. I still don't feel like I've integrated those experiences, but they were odd feelings considering the drama and density we're in.

Oh yeah, and the people that tell me god wants me to be happy really irk me because I just think about the people dying in Africa while we sit on our laurels, or the vast majority of souls never incarnating lower than the 5d, and the between life regressions with the souls being largely unprepared for what awaits them here, I'm like wtf? Most souls never incarnate and never know suffering. Within the last two weeks I had some male voice tell me while in the hypnogogic state (I assert this because I'm not that clairaudient to hear anything normally) saying "It's really nice for you to stay (alive). We know you don't want to." It made me pretty angry in retrospect. This gets kind of personal, but I had this suicide attempt a while back with something I knew would destroy my liver along with a sleeping pill hoping to kill myself with an alternate method I won't discuss, using the precursor as a backup method, and I kept hearing this male mumbling and a woman that was really my soul apologizing repeatedly. Then given what iq has said about suicide attempts and the ramifications therein, it's extremely cruel that our souls were created to suffer with so little preparation or warning, being made to forget who we are so we become grossly entangled in these realms with the threat of soul dissembly if we don't evolve out over many millenia of extreme pain. And then when we don't want to suffer anymore we are placed into a worse predicament where we are given no choice than to incarnate in the most severe of conditions? I haven't wanted to exist the majority of my life, I spent most of my last life being beaten by my husband before he killed me, my soul being created so they can gain these experiences and they are going to punish me for having the desire to be free and not suffer in this reality? And what for? So a part of god can fulfill it's desire to experience extreme pain in a denser state of duality and imprison my soul with no real knowledge of the consequence?

I really think the lower realms represent the tree of knowledge in the biblical sense, with the annunaki being the fallen angels overseeing our growth, creating souls to probe these realms that are too ignorant or innocent to know better the suffering and entanglements they're getting themselves into before they incarnate and become entangled. Their souls being a direct reflection of their own logos, created perfect (I've seen this come up as a method of soul creation elsewhere where the offspring is a reflection of the progenitor who need not incarnate as most souls never do). Thus.. the post I've seen here before with someone mentioning an experience of seeing or being within Enki somewhere on this site, where one is talking iratedly about our eating meat, and Enki stating something to the effect of.. but they are us. Being put through scenarios where we forget our innate perfection and identify with imperfection. All so our logos (progenitor/watcher souls) can have the knowledge of good and evil. And with all this, being told we're inferior on some level and that's why we suffer here.. not befit to grace god's presence (what kind of parent tells this to their progeny after they've proverbally beaten them through incarnating them in these realms?). The reason I became an atheist so long ago was because I couldn't see a god both omniscient and omnipotent creating a world like this, only now I know that there is one and can't refute that.

I needed to get that out. This stuff has been bothering me. I sincerely hope 3d/4d paradigms will end. I don't want to be part of them.

posted August 06, 2011 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Mochai i am with you on this 100%.

@MBlake i was enjoy watching your pics.

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posted August 06, 2011 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
And what for? So a part of god can fulfill it's desire to experience extreme pain in a denser state of duality and imprison my soul with no real knowledge of the consequence?

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Bill Hicks: Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be...******' with our heads?

posted August 06, 2011 11:14 PM            

Abcd efg is sweet. Sorry I used to never get angry. I've felt bad about being that way of late, particularly on this forum.

I don't want to derail this thread, I'm just getting stuck on the paradigms of suffering, knowledge, and creative expression and ramifications therein experienced on a 3d 4d strata. Whether there is any dissent for the free will expression of one portion of god to experience this given the energetic entanglements and how the experiment takes place. Suffering from all that I can see seems to be the experiment >.< earth being just one lab. Things along these tangents has occupied me for some time. I can't see how it's productive compared to natural evolution.

posted August 07, 2011 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
I brought it up initially because I think I needed to get it out and I like the way you look at things mblake.

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posted August 07, 2011 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
You are always so kind.

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Not kind MBlake. I am just expressing what i feel. Your pictures are always so apt and have an expressive visual effect of all the writing done. So i ACTUALLY ENJOY them. No decoration here.

And Btw i learnt to upload directly. Yahooooo!!

The Beauty of 3D World!

posted August 07, 2011 02:36 PM            

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I don't know.. i'm still wrestling with my spiritual philosophy on the paradigms of suffering, creation, and evolution on the 3rd and 4rth dimensions.
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Either way, I don't have all the answers. I do think it's a cosmic game we're in in maya where all the cards are laid out and different timelines have the ability to unfold dependent upon our choices. I kind of opened a bit of a pandora's box, but that's where I'm at.

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I agree on these things so much. As a child and youngster i always thought of these things and wondered why the world was like that. And thought that when i grew up I would try to make it a better place to live in. I liked Swami Vivekananda very much when once he said that if I were GOD i would have made a much better world. Ofcourse he had said this in connection to something. I have drawn it out of context here. Nevertheless i loved him for it.

Secondly, I always thought why do we have to suffer and this karmic theory never sufficed. I thought that if we made incorrect choices which lead us to our present situation then why didn't GOD help us to make the correct ones in the first place. Like a mother won't wait for a child to put its hand in fire and watch. Then once i happened to come across a book on Ramakrishna Paramhans in which the author had narrated an incident. One of his followers asks him the same question when he says that its all a game. But the follower is not satisfied with this. He desperately feels for the suffering and says but how can this be just a game for GOD when it is suffocating us. Then what about us, our suffering, he asks exasperatedly. To which R. Paramhans replies "Who are you? WHO ARE YOU?" I then thought OMG.

posted August 07, 2011 04:52 PM            

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And Btw i learnt to upload directly. Yahooooo!!

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posted August 08, 2011 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
And Btw i learnt to upload directly. Yahooooo!!

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So now you gotta upload stuff that you like to inspire me, it's called paid back peggy sue.

posted August 09, 2011 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I don't see it happening.

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