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iQ
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posted June 26, 2013 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr. Snowden could have spied on anybody, even the US President. Theoretically, he could have done a Bradley Manning without ever getting caught because he said he had the clearance to spy on even Obama.
Now, the biggest "crowdsourced/crowdfunded event" before Snowden's disclosure of Prism is:
SIRIUS. An attempt to get the best facts of UFOs to the public. Sirius released in April 2013. Snowden was "motivated" to leave everything behind on 1st May, 20 days before going to Hong Kong.
The buzz around Sirius became weaker in a week's time but Snowden could have continued to get any and every secret document or NSA discussion about UFOs or cover ups had he chosen to.

Could he have been "motivated" by a "Higher Power" to become a whistle blower a few months earlier than he would have? For fear that the crucial cover up data on UFOs is not "wiki leaked"?

Just a nagging thought.

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posted June 27, 2013 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting.

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posted June 30, 2013 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trying to get an insight on your post. Are you basically saying information of importance is going to be released on UFO`s and Snowden pulled the plug early to ensure it gets released?

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posted June 30, 2013 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm confused here too

Hey Ms Juni

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posted July 01, 2013 07:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ, i'd be very wary of sources that always try to bring 'alien' into these issues, as it looks just like an attempt to make the problems look ridiculous or silly or 'psycho silly conspiracy theory'

i mean for sure aliens are out there and down here for sure.....but

i'd like to think that it's best to keep this Snowden thing about what it really is.....big cooperations going to the worst extent to spy on ppl, claiming it's for their own good 'oh it's so no terrorist blows you up'...when all that is BS and it's just about protecting their own interests from the people they use and employ themselves!

lol aliens are too smart to need any human assistance

EDIT TO ADD: if anything i would discuss about this in this forum,it is how people don't know how easy it is to 'astrally attack' someone when u have all the boring details of their life in your hand, from what they do, to how they think and how they behave, and how they speak, like way of expression...the last 3 could be used to know how to brainwash ppl properly into doing and thinking what you want them to do or think, or who is the easiest target for these MK Ultra programming schemes....)

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posted July 02, 2013 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Juni and JF,
My nagging thought is that Snowden could have been one or two steps away from unearthing real or planned disinfo regarding ETs [because of the release of "Sirius" in April 22/23]. And he could have been encouraged [Astral, phone call from a "friend" or through his girlfriend] to move faster.
The thing is, ET Disclosure is the only event that will destroy the banking/Energy cartels.
If ETs can travel here, they are not using fossil fuels. And a dominant World Power/World Currency concept gets rubbished by the masses. That is why I give importance to this. Assange also kept silent about ETs.

Now, security will be tightened and we may never have the chance to get documents relating to ETs.

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posted July 03, 2013 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes sense.

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jellyfishtry
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posted July 04, 2013 04:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I like all what you write IQ, but totally disagree with you on this.

I will say again, aliens don't need any human 'partners' the day they want you to know about them, trust me that there is no stopping...the day they want you to know about your own ET origin,(don't ask) there is also no stopping.

I also doubt they talk to 'human leaders' in the sense they know, they probably know how to pick out who to communicate with, even if to our understanding it'd be "Why that's just an average joe, your trying to pass on info to"

so yes not worried about aliens and alien disclosure lol being affected with anything....if anything i totally understand why they'd want to avoid contact with 'homo sapiens' for now.

nevertheless interesting topic

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posted July 07, 2013 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting enough theory. I can't sign up for it though as I don't believe in aliens. I'd say the Snowden case is a small snapshot of a larger in house battle.

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posted July 08, 2013 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with aliens is the huge distances to travel. But now that NASA has developed warp technology (no ships to put it in though), it can be presumed that distance is no longer an issue for advanced species.

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posted July 08, 2013 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The old rule of thumb is NSA (all government org's in fact) possesses technology anywhere from 20 to 50 years ahead of what has been released to the general public. So I guess we can make of that what we will.

I don't dismiss the notion of life on other planets. It's the ... forgive me .. soap opera like scenario of multiple extraterrestrial races involved in political intrigues the likes of which would put the court of Constantinople to shame. That I don't buy. In the not so distant past, men accepted the unseen spiritual worlds, and often even retained a dim memory of them. Understandable that inter dimensional beings were perceived as demons or jinn, yes? It fit within the context of the day. Modern materialistic man, cut off from the spiritual world, worshipping at the altar to Science and with a growing awareness of behind the scenes political powers and cliques has transformed these beings into quarrelsome little green men conducting dubious sexual experiments on unsuspecting humans. It's all in your perception. You might even say these beings present themselves in whatever manner best fits your personal world view, be it a demon with horns and cleft hooves or a short pale humanoid with large black eyes.

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posted July 08, 2013 01:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^
totally agree with this.

I have another theory to, we shouldn't call others aliens, as one day when the rest of our brain starts working again, many of us may remember a different origin than Earth. (H**K even for those who only believe it if it's written in a 'holy book' don't all religious books also say that Adam and Eve, fell onto Earth, fell from where??)

am a big subscriber to the views held by Graham Hancock in his Forbidden Archeology series. as it ties spirituality with 'alien' and a lot of other interesting stuff(though i don't agree with it all lol)...
but no, the almost cheesy way aliens are brought into things like politics and whatnot, is quite silly at times, and no more than a distraction to make so called 'conspiracy theorists'<--- who taught us to say this phrase anyway? are complete nuts....

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posted July 08, 2013 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jellyfishtry:
[B]I have another theory to, we shouldn't call others aliens, as one day when the rest of our brain starts working again, many of us may remember a different origin than Earth. (H**K even for those who only believe it if it's written in a 'holy book' don't all religious books also say that Adam and Eve, fell onto Earth, fell from where??)

Yes, well, this is what I'm getting at. From our modern material world viewpoint, "fell" must mean from the sky. ie interplanetary. A spirtually oriented person might assume "fell" referred to a higher dimension. We have access to other physical worlds, albeit limited but increasing at a respectable rate. We've lost access to other spiritual worlds. Therefore, interplanetary makes more sense to modern man than interdimensional would.

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posted July 08, 2013 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
true, and also remember, just because someone talks about aliens, doesn't mean they aren't spiritual to...

so with these things, as long as someone has their own opinion about it, without taking it too seriously or imposing it on other, then all's good in the State of Denmark

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posted July 13, 2013 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like he is trying to stay in Russia.

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iQ
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posted July 15, 2013 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the long run he is safer in Venezuela.
Russians will try to milk him for more and more info, and Snowden is too conscientious.

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posted July 18, 2013 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found it interesting that Putin's condition was that he "stop his work aimed at harming our American partners." I'm also reminded of President Obama's hot mic moment with Medvedev, about after the election and "more flexibility."

If not ET/offworlder influence, what else could they be afraid of? Data on the sun swelling 4 billion years ahead of schedule? (...that's a disconcerting thought...)

On another note, who says that ET influence has to be mainly relegated to the three-dimensional realm? It's not entirely beyond the realm of possibilities in my mind that there could be offworld influences tapping into select world leaders or behind-the-scene players. Doesn't even have to be a manipulative plan. Just subtly influence behavior over time and craft events to their goals. For all the afflicted could know, they'd be working for the "greater good". (Not all of them, obviously, but it's possible for some...) Think of it as akin to possession, but not. Certainly the influenced could break the mold and do something other than the influencer wants, which leads to "corrections" (i.e. assassinations, scandals by other involved or influenced parties, "accidents" (and with that thought could there truly be a bona-fide accident?)).

And doing this over centuries, even millennia? Well, Time flows a bit differently in different levels of reality if at all, most likely. A day there could be like 1,234 years here in one pocket, or 1 year here could be 60 years in another 4D pocket.

Let's consider another track: Traumatic events are associated with some ET's right? (Abductions, paralysis, etc.) Suppose some never manifest in our physical 3D reality, but siphon energy as a means of support or sustenance or even an extra energy source. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that some entities would want to wipe out mass numbers of humans and other life at a time. Mass trauma through war and catastrophe would most certainly generate mass amounts of negative energy. Of course, such actions could be counterproductive to other entities that prefer to drain subtly over time. Besides, mass murder/extinction generally is a spike-event. What's gatherable after the spike's harvested? Not as much left, which doesn't help the victims, survivors or the slower-scale harvesters.

Hence why all the parasitic or vampiric entities wouldn't get along if I'm considering this correctly: differing methods. I'm certain there's a realization that should a mass-trauma event be allowed to happen, the spike-feeders would gain much more energy than the subtle/gradual-feeders. In other words, not in our OR their best interests. And such trauma/spike energy could probably sustain such spike-feeders for a very long while, and thus outlast the opposition.

There's the other thought of offworlders seeking to cause mass damage as a means of starving the subtle/casual feeders with no intent to gather anything for themselves. An extreme method of cutting off the power supply if there ever was one. I am also, thankfully, not thinking of any specific examples in this instance. It'd be like throwing away all the food in a kitchen to stop an ant incursion.

That's my line of thought anyways. Whether that's what's really happening, hard to say. Would be interesting if this is what Snowden had up his sleeve, or if Assange or Manning could or couldn't get a hold of that.

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posted July 20, 2013 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for explaining IQ.

shura, the old Annunaki discussions days ey

There is "other life" but not necessarily in life form. Spiritual Essence.

Yet I do believe in other life forms from other dimensions with vast and superior Knowledge....... Not the Icke types but rather the W. Bramley or Z. Sitchin discription.

Hey Lalalinda, hows our desert rose?

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quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
In the long run he is safer in Venezuela.
Russians will try to milk him for more and more info, and Snowden is too conscientious.

I don't agree IQ. Don't 4get the CIA almost got Chavez twice. He had all the army and secret service protecting him though...Snowden won't get that, as South America is practically their territory. i've got some blood from what is probably the two safer countries there, so am well aware of the realities not the 'romantic' view so many people have of that area. (Noreiga, School of the Americas, the military juntas etc etc...now these things won't happen anymore, but i don't think it's wise to think of them 'better' than Russian in some aspects.

Putin probably asked Snowden to quiet if he wants any help, because, first he basically told him that he said all he had to say, and Russia isn't a stage for these things, no surprises there.
Secondly i find it hard to believe that the Russians don't also have so many of the US secrets in their own hands already....including UFO and alien matters.

The only ppl who can really protect him as they know the most and may employ the same tactics as the US, are the Russians, whether people want to see that or not.

Maduro ex bus driver VS Putin, ex KGB commander....
I think the first may have a good heart, but it's the second one who really knows what he's doing...so no,not so excited for him, but if he wants to stay alive, the Russians may be his only hope.

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posted July 21, 2013 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I doubt Obama's hitmen will be able to get to him in Russia.

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posted September 08, 2013 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Curiouser and curiouser, as Linda would say.

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posted September 12, 2013 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My recurrent question about Snowden revolves around that boast that he can hack the President's info...why didn't he? Or did he, and there was nothing there to exploit? I continue to find that he has only exposed things that were already basically out there.

i highly doubt that Russia's secret service are any more efficient than our own. If Obama wanted to "hit" the man he could have done so. Equally feasible to inflitrate the Ecuador embassy where Assange is hanging out.

Despite all the noise to the contrary, it doesn't seem the governments are unduly worried about the leaks that have come out, or the perps who brought them out. Assange is talking about running for Senator in Australia...as a "virtual" politician. What's that about? Was his whole schtick just to get into politics? So he can be part of the corrupt machine?

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posted October 06, 2013 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haven't heard anything lately about him.

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posted October 08, 2013 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see Snowden as another piece of the Fear Machine...

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posted October 09, 2013 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoRainNoRainbows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

That is because Snowden agreed to not saying anything anymore if he wants Russian's protection....why would the Russians need to know anyway, they probably have done enough espionage work to have even more details about the US themselves.

on the other hand Greenwald is still releasing all what he has....why do you think that the Brazilian president cancelled her long awaited trip to the US which was due this month?
countries like Brazil were deluded that the US or the gov't i should say, as gov't rarely represent their ppl these days...are really starting to treat them as equals now (there is a bad case in the 1980's when i think Regan in Brazil talking about the co-operation between these two countries, referred to the great ties between the US and....BOLIVIA!! a totally other country)

this showed them that whomever is telling them this isn't true...their resources are being abused at a bad rate by foreign countries, and it's nothing to do with partnership, as they are still not seen as equals (for heavens sake she even wanted to for her country to be one of the five permanent members...no comment on why she ever saw this happening)


anyway as for Snowden not spying on the president...just a wild guess that if a guy in his twenties could spy on any computer, he'd go looking for anything that had long hair and came in a letter cup size first, before looking at an ordinary man whose on tv everday.....but just a guess :P

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