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GypseeWind
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posted November 24, 2016 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone, my first time posting in this forum (I think!) Excuse me if this topic exists, I scanned briefly and didn't see a thread on it, but I didn't check the search engine..

Recently I've been led by synchronicity to discover The Mandela Effect. If you haven't heard of it, I invite you to google. Basically it's a situation where a very large group of people remember things (historical events, brand names and logos, song lyrics, TV shows, etc etc) one way, and the rest of the people remember it another way.
It's name is coined after Nelson Mandela, because of confusion regarding the date of his death (again, you can learn all that via google, if I were to explain every bit this would be hella long and I'm on a phone).

So one theory is that something cataclysmic happened to regular Earth, and we've been put somewhere while regular Earth is fixed. And this version of Earth has a slightly different twist on events. (One group of people insist JFK car during shooting was a 4 seater, but now you can only find images of a stretch limo, that's just ONE of the hundreds of Mandela effects).

Another theory is that is a psyop experiment to see how much they can really mess with our heads.

Others think that the people at CERN who've admitted to creating mini black holes have screwed with time. Maybe there's 2 time lines running rather concurrently and some people have become aware of it.

The religious groups believe it's the end of days, and that those who "remember" are of a higher vibration and will be soon raptured.

I have to say... at first I found it a bit amusing until bible passages changed. In no way am I a bible scholar but having went to Catholic school , and made to sit in mass every single day- you do pick up a thing or two.

Anyway, now my attention is completely absorbed with this. My family believe but they're like "meh, whatever happens, happens!" And I am looking for other souls to dialog with. Anyone here done research on this? What are your thoughts?

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posted November 24, 2016 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've researched this for my stories on alternate realities. In all seriousness, this fascinates me to no end, whether it's psychological or paranormal or whatever.

I'll see if I can find an amusing short story I came up with once back in 2008 that I playfully shared with other writers.

And I'll also share a creepy story of something that actually happened, though it's not exactly about the Mandela effect (though it is about memory). ETA: maybe later, I'm too tired to relate it now.

And I'm withdrawing the story for now. It was more for fun anyway. Again, maybe later.

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posted November 24, 2016 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having some fun back when there was a lot of worry over CERN this is just for fun:

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Things have been really weird lately, with like reality warping every single day, until finally it stabilized…for the moment. The connection with all the changes seem to be that experiments with the Hadron Collider had just taken place in the last week or so. I tried looking up more info on Encyclutopia but couldn’t even find it…well I finally did, but now it’s called Wikipedia. (Like wtf is a “wiki” anyway? Probably some other deviation of this tangent I’ve found myself in.) Unfortunately it didn’t have “double-slit experiments” like it used to as Encyclutopia. What I recall of that was something about experiments with particles that acted like waves as they traveled to a screen, but when they arrived, there was only one particle, which left the question of where the other particles had gone, and it was theorized by some that they’d gone to some other parallel world.

Anyway, unable to recall that in more detail or find the article, I tried finding an article about the CERN project I’d read that also went into that. It also failed to turn up. However, I DID find this:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/discerning_safety

According to critics of the CERN project, possible scenarios involving the impact of the Large Hadron Collider on the natural environment might be immensely catastrophic and extremely bizarre, and could potentially even alter the very fabric of our reality.

One of their concerns is that the mini-black holes generated by this machine could eventually coalesce into a larger black hole that would then begin absorbing matter. Another possibility is that new combinations of quarks could come into existence, creating a stable, negatively-charged strangelet which could turn everything it touches into strangelets as well – plunging us into a parallel universe of stable, negatively-charged strangelets

It explains so much, like why the people on dollar bills are all different now, why the US doesn’t use the metric system, China wasn’t the first to colonize the Americas, and why Oopa is now Coca Cola. But I think the weirdest changes are the issues.

What HAD been going on is that liberals were constantly for "game control," citing all the lost productivity of watching sports, let alone playing it, not to mention all the bandwidth video games took up on the World Wide Grid (thus also hurting productivity of those who worked). Poker is a financial risk too big to countenance and leads to addiction even more than regular sports & games.

And with conservatives, it’s "fiction control," where they abhor the mental waste and corruption of intentionally made-up junk instead of educational material. A friend of mine is even on parole for telling jokes that I see brazenly told even on TV now!

The gang wars of underground "gamesters" and "fabricaters" keep The People entertained, but the GEA continue to use their jack boots to keep America game-free. Imagine my surprise when I saw sports are popular, professional players make almost as much as the illegal gamesters of the previous reality did, and instead of a GEA and Fiction Police there’s a DEA and BATF&E (who even go after people playing with chemistry sets, which had been hailed as educational before reality shifted), while massive bookstores are found legally selling fiction of all kinds! Like how does that even make sense?

In the original reality (my baseline?) schools taught us that Prohibition failed, drugs and addiction become even more damaging without safe access to medical care & counseling, and people who are caught under the influence simply pay the price, just like with alcohol (granted, there are still areas where everything from alcohol to pot to opium to tobacco can get you fined, especially if you’re under the influence or caught selling it—but most communities see it as discouraging the engagement of outlawed entertainments, and even if it doesn’t it helps them to get caught at it easier). Oddly, building codes were tighter to deal with smokers while here smokers are under attack without the building codes while cars and smokestacks pour out tons of pollutants with only barely a whimper of protest! How does this make sense?

And don’t even get me started on the Christian Right! They not only support the above prohibitions (as sportsmanship isn’t Christ-like and fiction not only detracts from God’s Truth, but breaks His commandment against telling lies--plus, most porn counts as fiction), but are especially against music, save for a few liberal sects that still have hymns (though states are amending their constitution to stop that debauchery). They say it’s corrupting and leads to dancing which leads to sex which of course makes it very popular and EVERYONE is doing it. I was busted myself for whistling and had to pay a $100 fine plus court costs. But now they don’t care much about music anymore and instead are passing amendments against gays. Like wtf, EVERYONE listens to music, but only a very small minority are interested in gay sex at all, let alone marriage. Heck, the Bible also condemns shrimp and there are far more people into that than being gay. So what’s up with the Christian Right since reality warped? It doesn’t make sense why anyone would even care. But since the experiments, they have, while forgetting to care about the much bigger stuff.

Anyway, back on the REAL world there’s this scifi created by Roddenberry called Star Pricks: The Next Generation before Congress passed the DOTA (Defense Of Truth Act) that finished off fiction shows (they’re called Star Pricks because they preach a "prime directive" and yet violate it at every given opportunity just as righteously, so they give the viewers someone to hate, thus helping society to function despite all its self-righteous hypocrites that we might otherwise murder in our rage—or so said the Propertarian Party, at least before they became known as the Libertarian Party in this timeline) that here seems to be called Star Trek: The Next Generation, but otherwise seems mostly identical. They had a sitch like this in an episode called Parallels where Mr. Yorf (I think Mr. Worf here) kept switching to parallel worlds every time there was a burst of something. Maybe all those colliders working on neighboring parallels are jumbling everything up the same way. And as Dr. Custer (Crusher in this world?) said in another ep, "If there’s nothing wrong with me, maybe there’s something wrong with the universe." I’m glad to see that my risking prison to get the underground tapes of these eps paid off as they help me mentally deal with this sitch now.

I defy the changes of the timeline. As said on Star Pricks when the Cybers invaded, "I will NOT be assimilated!" For the rest of you, be warned, and try to hold on to what you know was real before it was warped…or maybe it’s just better to forget and let yourself be rewritten with the rest of reality.

How many still remember what was before these experiments took place? And will I still remember after the NEXT experiment? Whether I do or not, will you become lucid the next time reality shifts?

Anyway, before REAL reality resumes, I think I’ll go enjoy a good book before I find they’re illegal again.

"Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine."-- Sir Arthur Eddington (formerly Albert Einstein…at least he still exists in this reality tangent)


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posted November 24, 2016 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pixie, Happy Thanksgiving. I am looking forward to hearing more thoughts from you.

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posted November 25, 2016 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good stuff!

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posted November 28, 2016 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Novabronte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GypseeWind:

Recently I've been led by synchronicity to discover The Mandela Effect.

My thoughts on this:

I have seen numerous videos on Mandela effect, and quiet frankly I still haven't made up my mind what it is.

Logos - logos are updated every now and then as part of marketing re-branding so it's hard to tell if this is a mandela effect...eg. Hewlett-Packard logo has changed so many times in past 15 years that I lost count.
Brand names - still not sure on this one, as the only instances I saw are american brands... one would think if any timeline was at play they would change all over the world.... so I'm not convinced on this one either.
TV shows, Movie lines, Music lyrics - yep I noticed these myself, and wonder why these are most noticed.
Bible verses - this one I agree is confusing...
Interesting one is maps seem to be changing, and buildings that were not there are showing up our of nowhere, really weird stuff...

CERN - after researching the topic of Cern for a while now I dont think they are screwing with timelines... what they are doing is they are trying to harness interdimensionality, they are trying to create a Vortex - a shortcut between point A and B between two dimensions or two parallel universes... so not a timeline ... its to do with photons, atoms and frequency hence messing up with our heads. Considering all the satanic rituals that accompany cern, the gotthard tunnel, the sudden traffic at antarctica, ceremonies around pyramids, the FEMA camps, the underground bunkers for the elite etc etc I wonder what is the motivation behind it ...

Psyop - that's a definite, the more chaos in our heads the less we focus on what is really going on...or just a side effect of what they are doing

Rapture - I assume we are talking about the prophecy of book of revelations and the end of times, well that is a possibility given what CERN is doing, for if they open a Vortex to 4-5 D we will have uninvited 'guests' from hell or in more esoteric speak -lower dark entities unleashed, since vortex works both ways like a stargate.
In book of revelation it says that there will be much confusion and chaos on earth, and arrival of fallen angels before the final showdown.

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posted November 29, 2016 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Novabronte, have you seen that the skeletal system has also changed? I can link a video for that, if you are interested. I'm trying to get my friend to watch it, she's a nurse. I'm curious as to which skeleton she remembers from taking so many anatomy courses.

Re- CERN. there's a video on their website, CERNS, called, "We're Happy Here At CERN." It shows a bunch of CERN employees dancing around to Pharels song 'Happy.' At the end there is a scientist holding up 2 signs. One sign says 'MANDELA' and the other says 'BOND 1.'

What's interesting is that one of the Bond movies is a Mandela effect. The movie 'Moonraker.' I guess the character Dolly is remembered as wearing braces, but now you can't find that image of her anywhere. And the very first Bond actor, from way before our American series, had the first name of 'Nelson.'

So those two signs that scientist is holding up equal "Mandela Effect."

Yikes.

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posted November 30, 2016 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jacob Israel is suggesting the Mandela effect is caused by an A.I.
http://youtu.be/pML1_WilzUI

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posted November 30, 2016 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mandela Effect quiz
http://youtu.be/4IiAfyn0Yu0

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posted December 01, 2016 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird stuff.

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posted December 01, 2016 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed, Randall.

This one got to me, Rodin'S statue, The Thinker. I can overlook product changes, some logos, that sort of stuff.... but I cannot explain this.

I was in college in the early 2000s. On and off until 2005. I took nearly every Art and English course my school offered. And nearly all the PSYCH classes, minus the cognitive stuff because... well, it's boring. Lol. So I know this statue, we had the choice of trying to copy this, The Pieta, or The Statue of Liberty one Spring while working in charcoal. I REMEMBER.
.. http://youtu.be/Fns3U8z2qns

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posted December 02, 2016 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That odd story...

It was probably 2004 when this happened, but I'm not sure. Thing was, no one recalled earlier explanations on the reason for Desert Storm. I was even starting to wonder if I'd gone crazy but a librarian was able to pull the old TIME (or one like it) magazine out that listed the first reason (she'd forgotten it herself until she saw the cover).

While I was initially relieved, I then had to wonder why I was the only one to remember when everyone else forgot, and experienced the prickle of paranoia as I wondered if there was something to the more extreme mind control conspiracy theories, and if even then agents were coming for me...I laugh about those moments today, but I was momentarily distressed.

But I figured it out pretty fast (or the agents caught me, pick one ), and to make a long story short the original reason (and a handful that followed) were only played for a short while as most of America rejected those reasons until "liberating the Iraq people" was palatable and the White House started repeating that one over and over. Now this might not be enough, but the majority passively accepted their news on the TV, often after exhausted from work and/or on drugs (including legal and prescribed ones) at the time which easily puts them into a semi-hypnotic trance. As the earlier reasons weren't popular with the American people the White House kept changing it until "liberating the Iraqi people" was one Americans could get behind and so that reason was then played over and over, and Americans were literally hypnotized to believe that was the reason from the very start.

The reason it didn't effect me is because I didn't watch TV at all back then nor paid attention to "sound byte" news on the radio which is why I was among the few who remembered what so many around me had forgotten. I paid attention to the news at the library (in printed form and on the internet), and I thought about it, all of which made it stronger in my memory.

NOTE: I restored that fun story above.

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posted December 02, 2016 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know that could turn into a whole series of stories, or how about a TV show. You know I would watch!

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posted December 10, 2016 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
explanation of the Mandela affect

blows my mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar_-ZhFZqSQ

A whistleblower admits to be one of the scientists generating the Mandela Effect. He is giving full disclosure, because he believes he will be dead in a few months.


this is really scary...in the video it is stated that time is being manipulated and one of the ways to see this is that nowadays the heart is said to be in the center of the chest but it had always been on the left side of the chest. it's position has been changed .it said check out a medical site.....it is correct, I always was taught the heart was on the left side but now.... http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/Where-Is-Your-Heart-Located.html

Where Is Your Heart Located?

It might be a shocker for some of you, but hearts isn’t really located on the left side of your chest. It lies between the right and left lungs, in the middle of the chest and slightly towards the left of the breastbone

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posted December 11, 2016 06:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
they changed our heart place? O.o

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posted December 11, 2016 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, and also the ribs are now different.

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posted December 11, 2016 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I'm not sure if I believe that scenario in this video. BC if we had nuclear war and this group of scientists went back in time and fixed it, then why doesn't everyone have symptoms of Mandela Effect? I'm on several boards and groups and there are people who vehemently swear that nothing has changed. I.e. heart has always been in center, Rodin'S statue haS always had his hand on chin, Jackie was always suspected in killing JFK, etc etc.

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posted December 11, 2016 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
But I'm not sure if I believe that scenario in this video. BC if we had nuclear war and this group of scientists went back in time and fixed it, then why doesn't everyone have symptoms of Mandela Effect? I'm on several boards and groups and there are people who vehemently swear that nothing has changed. I.e. heart has always been in center, Rodin'S statue haS always had his hand on chin, Jackie was always suspected in killing JFK, etc etc.

I'm on several boards and groups and there are people who vehemently swear that nothing has changed. I.e. heart has always been in center,

his is crazy.the heart has always been on the left .

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posted December 12, 2016 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know, I argue with people every day.

That's the thing that's weird to me about the ME. Those that don't have it can get really nasty towards those that do, when we're just honestly telling how things were in our timeline.

I had an argument with a guy last night who says he's a musician and "he should know" that Queens song 'We Are The Champions' has never had the line "of the world" at the end. I told him to search for the car karaoke video with Gwen Stefani, she goes to sing that line, but looks confused when it's no longer there. The commenter was getting so annoyed, saying "IT'S NEVER BEEN THERE, YOU ARE CRAZY."
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posted December 12, 2016 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My scifi friends have a sense of humor about this stuff.

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This is an interesting discussion.
Not being familiar with the concept, I can't comment directly on the Mandela effect, however, I think this links to eyewitness testimony and memory.

For example, we know that memory degrades over time and that new information after an incident can change a person's recollection of the incident.
So I guess for this to link in, masses of people would need to receive the same new information and for this to alter their memory. Memories can also be distorted through leading questions in interviews, which, in part, is why there is such a focus on Socratic questioning in forensics and psychological therapies. Obviously, if there is an agenda, leading questions can be used as a tool of manipulation of memory.

The media would certainly be capable of achieving this, I would think. It could also happen in debates, interviews, presentations, meetings, etc.

Very interesting topic!

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posted December 13, 2016 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by todd:
explanation of the Mandela affect

blows my mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar_-ZhFZqSQ

A whistleblower admits to be one of the scientists generating the Mandela Effect. He is giving full disclosure, because he believes he will be dead in a few months.


this is really scary...in the video it is stated that time is being manipulated and one of the ways to see this is that nowadays the heart is said to be in the center of the chest but it had always been on the left side of the chest. it's position has been changed .it said check out a medical site.....it is correct, I always was taught the heart was on the left side but now.... http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/Where-Is-Your-Heart-Located.html

Where Is Your Heart Located?

It might be a shocker for some of you, but hearts isn’t really located on the left side of your chest. It lies between the right and left lungs, in the middle of the chest and slightly towards the left of the breastbone

rahu


Oh my goodness! I just watched the video. I remember when I was young we all thought the heart was in the centre - in the "heart" of the chest - but we were *taught* that it is actually in the left of the chest.
----- I still remember getting used that the idea of the heart in the left, because the word "heart" made me think of the middle.

I just googled, and now they are saying it is in the centre again, after teaching me it was in the left!!!

This is REALLY weird. OK, I get what you guys are talking about now.

Surely though, if we can remember that the information is being changed, if we are retaining inofrmation from before they changed it, surely we can remember any extinction also? Even just fragments?

I'm trying to think about 2012, but I can't find anything notable. I was on a structured path from 2010 that simply carried on to 2014 - I can't note any interruption in that timeline at all.

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posted December 13, 2016 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a note. I was watching some other videos of the Mandela Effect on youtube. Many of the changes to logos could just simply be that companies re-brand anyway.

There is one that popped up frequently: that "We are the Champions" by Queen, no longer has "of the world" in the chorus, however, the first video I watched of this song, they do actually sing "of the world":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY

I'm not saying there is nothing to this, I have no idea how to explain the Mandela memory change, the heart change or the JFK car change - these are puzzling indeed. I guess that we have to be discerning though with what we accept as evidence of deliberate manipulation of memory, as what this proposes is effectively mass mind control - a BIG assertion.

That, I may add, I am open to. What is politics and the monetary system, if not attempts to control the masses?

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