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Topic: Medical Cannabis
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LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 3380 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted June 20, 2004 02:34 PM
I'm interested in knowing all of your opinions and possible experiences dealing with Medical Marijuana, and recreational, for that matter.I for one took part in voting Medical Marijuana into practice in Washington State. As I understand it, California and Oregon really do have the best Medical Canabis laws. Medical Canabis can help people with: Anxiety Disorders Autism Aversive Memories Multiple Sclerosis (Montel Williams grows his own) Cancer (including skin cancer) Depression Migraines Chemo Related Nausia Chronic Pain Controll of cell survival/death Diabetes Hepatitis C Lymphoma is slowed Musculoskeletal Disorders Neuroprotection Pancreatitis Rhumatiod Arthritis Sickle Cell Sleep Apnea Tourette-Syndrome You can find explainations of how Cannabis is helpful in each of these instances here: http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/index_se_cmu.htm Recently I watched Penn and Teller's Bull **** on Showtime. The topic of this show was The Drug War in the US. Basically it discredited the drug war saying that since Vietnam (when they started the war on drugs to avert our attention from the monstrosities happening over there) the potency of the drugs has only been increased and the price has gone down significantly. Especially with heroin and cocaine. What was interesting to me about the program was one man they found is a government recipient of medical marijuana. Every month, in the mail, this man received aprox. 200 marijuana cigarettes issued to him by the FEDERAL government. According to the program there are less than 10 people on this mailing list in the US, but there used to be hundreds. I don't remember what his specific ailment was. What I do remember is that he's a Stock Broker on Wall Street and smokes between 5 and 10 joints a day. As far as recreation is concerned, is it really that bad? I don't think it is. Alcohol (which is legal) creates more harmful side effects than marijuana. Alcohol can kill you. Cause you to beat your wife and kids. Drive your car into a ditch. You could lose everything to alcoholism. On a side note... Personally I don't like the effects of alcohol. Maybe 1 drink here and there, but I don't like to be drunk. I'm not in control of my own body. With marijuana it's different. While you still shouldn't be driving your car, it'd quite doubtful that on marijuana rage could be triggered that causes you to lash out and beat your loved ones.
To me, Marijuana is the safest of all recreational drugs... including alcohol. People like to fool themselves by thinking they are somehow upstanding because they don't do drugs. Many of those people are hypocrites because alcohol IS a drug. Even if you are only an occasional drinker, you are an occasional recreational drug user. Now you have my 2 cents ... how about yours? IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 3380 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted June 20, 2004 03:27 PM
I realized this post made me sound sorta like a I'm not. I have friends who are total s, and I will partake from time to time IP: Logged |
Gia Moderator Posts: 836 From: California Registered: May 2004
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posted June 21, 2004 02:59 AM
I'm not against it at all. I can name a million things more harmful. It seems to help an awful lot of people. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 4676 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 21, 2004 03:06 AM
Totally. I mentioned my desire to see this plant legal as well, in Gaia's Garden. Check out www.cannabisculture.com for a cannabis forum. Tips and magazine articles, as well as peeps with similar views. I'm not a pot head either, but I have friends who are very into the healing/practival side of this misunderstood herb. Thanks for raising more awareness. My friends amazes me with his incredible stories. He owns a store where I am, called "Hip On Hemp". I am voting for a party that spreads in its platform the legalization of marijuana. IP: Logged |
The passenger Knowflake Posts: 370 From: Taipei, Taiwan Registered: Jan 2004
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posted June 21, 2004 07:14 AM
Marihuana can also relieve insomnia.I am not against weed smoking at all. Tobacco and alcohol are far more harmful. Cannabis should be legalised. ------------------ Dana IP: Logged |
paras Knowflake Posts: 1291 From: the Heart of It All Registered: May 2004
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posted June 21, 2004 08:11 AM
What strikes meas odd is that marijuana has been respected as a legitimate medicinal herb worldwide for 5,000 years of recorded history -- and then, at the end of the twentieth century, someone decided it was a "bad drug". ??!?!?!?IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 4676 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2003
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posted June 21, 2004 09:36 AM
Oh Paras, I am beside myself with glee!!! We Agree!!!! We Agree!!!!Yeah... Right on! IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 3380 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted June 21, 2004 11:50 AM
Here's a link to the Bulls**t site that has some interesting links. Theres also a video on the right of the screen of the guy I spoke of who receives medical marijuana from the federal government (you know... the ones that says it's illegal and no state can really legalize it) http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/topics.do?topic=war So... we know we can legalize it at a state level... but what about federally. Nothing is going to change until the federal government pulls it's head out of it's arse and actually looks at the evidence. How do we get THEM to see? IP: Logged |
trillian Moderator Posts: 2544 From: The Boundless Registered: Mar 2003
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posted June 21, 2004 01:49 PM
Groovy, paras. Hey, it's a little green Goddess-given plant. I've had some lovely little insights when I have indulged in a bit of pot. Great sex too. And hey. It's my body. No government should have a right to tell me what I do with or put into my body. Now, should I do it and harm others, that's another thing entirely. All good points here, but I would argue a bit about the price of 'drugs,' and I hesitate to lump pot into that category. Its price is very high and gets higher, as it becomes more difficult to grow/import. IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 3380 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted June 21, 2004 02:20 PM
Trillian,You're right about pot and prices. I should have been more clear to make sure not to lump it into the same catagory as other drugs. Not only because of price, but because it is much safer. It has become more expensive, and from what my dad tells me, WAY more potent than back in the day. IP: Logged |
Harpyr Moderator Posts: 1694 From: sleepy Rocky Mountain village Registered: Dec 2002
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posted October 06, 2004 11:54 AM
Pot is illegal because of the timber lobby. If we could grow pot in this country we would have no more need to cut our forests down for paper.. the timber industry just can't have that...yeah.. I just wanted to throw that in to the discussion.. I agree with everything you wonderful knowflakes have already said too. IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 3380 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted October 06, 2004 12:14 PM
Isn't the Constitution written on hemp paper?IP: Logged |
Harpyr Moderator Posts: 1694 From: sleepy Rocky Mountain village Registered: Dec 2002
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posted October 06, 2004 12:18 PM
The first drafts are but the final one is on parchment.IP: Logged |
KarenSD Knowflake Posts: 417 From: San Diego CA USA Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 06, 2004 12:47 PM
I haven't partaken of canabis in a long, long time, but i have always felt that its medical benefits far outweigh any supposed "dangers." IP: Logged |
noreenz Knowflake Posts: 358 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted October 06, 2004 12:51 PM
LibraSparkle, quote: As I understand it, California and Oregon really do have the best Medical Canabis laws.
My question is, "which state has the best Medical Canabis?" Just kidd'in, couldn't resist.
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merciful1 Knowflake Posts: 119 From: New Mexico, USA Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 06, 2004 02:53 PM
I would vote in favor of the legalization of medicinal marijuana. I would want to do that for the people that find relief from it. As far as recreational use, I can't see where legalization is a good idea. It would be taxed to high heaven. Look at cigarettes! I would be in favor of the decriminalization of possession and growing one's own. However, I don't think it is quite as harmless as it seems. If a person uses medicinally, or recreationally--in moderation--I think it's probably fine. But there are changes that occur to the body...it can throw your endocrine system out of whack...and it is a carcinagen. I think if it gets to be a heavy habit...it can take its toll on one's health. I have no moral judgement against those who "choose to use" though, as I believe in free will for all.------------------ merciful1 IP: Logged |
CancerianMoon Knowflake Posts: 362 From: penrith,australia Registered: Aug 2003
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posted October 06, 2004 07:05 PM
i agree pot should be legalized..and i think medical marijuana is a great idea...though i do think like many drugs (prescribed or recreational) it can be harmful..more so when heavy smokers are in the "need some more phase" they can be just as abusive as a drunken person...i know some people who are occasional smokers...as i used to be..some heavy smokers...one who also suffers schizophrenia...and a friend who was a heavy smoker for 17 years..and hasnt for 7 years and wont touch it again ever...he says his mind has lost its filters....i can add similar stories of those who are drinkers too...as always...moderation is the keyIP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 384 From: Brisbane, QLD, Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 07, 2004 08:47 PM
What exactly is medicinal marijuana? Are they pills, or is it still smoked? I have learnt lots from pot, but have also forgotten many things too. I have felt my brain sore to create awesome ideas and images but the reverse is to be brain dead and unhappy for a week - not to mention the brain cells which may not come back. I've found playing the guitar was the best fun. Or computer games. But after a while you have to realise that reality is still there. You have the rest of your life to live with who you are. I know some smokers who are happy to smoke for ever, but even they talk of the cost of buying and problems that may happen at work - not thinking clearly or being disorganized. I've heard it can also increase the chances of having schizophrenia. I knew someone who went through violent episodes and he smoked. I don't know if there was a definite connection.Everything in moderation is OK, but what of Heroin or Coke in moderation? You could get hooked on the first injection or love the feeling to much to give it up. I think in the end, if it works for you, then great, but be somewhat careful. Heaps of Love, Dean. IP: Logged |
Everlong Knowflake Posts: 451 From: Southeast Florida Registered: Nov 2003
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posted October 07, 2004 11:44 PM
I've always thought that marijuana should be legalised. It makes no sense that alchohol and tobacco are, but pot isn't. I can go (well, not yet) and buy some hard core vodka but I'll be arrested if I'm caught with a little weed? It's ridiculous, IMO.I haven't tried it yet, myself (am only fifteen), but to merciful1- anything used in excess is a bad thing. ------------------ "Reality leaves a lot to the imagination." - John Lennon IP: Logged |
Harpyr Moderator Posts: 1694 From: sleepy Rocky Mountain village Registered: Dec 2002
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posted October 08, 2004 01:35 PM
http://candoclemency.com/ IP: Logged |
Philbird Knowflake Posts: 1009 From: Douglas, AZ. USA Registered: Jun 2004
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posted October 08, 2004 02:35 PM
I was looking ALL over for that image Karen! I'm all game, however, I wouldn't want me driving or operating heavy machinery while I was high. Just give me an egg and I'll be happy.IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 3380 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted October 08, 2004 06:31 PM
An egg?IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 4676 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2003
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posted October 08, 2004 10:56 PM
like a kinder egg, with chocolate and then a fun toy inside to become immersed in? you can even put the stickers on yourself!!!IP: Logged |
KarenSD Knowflake Posts: 417 From: San Diego CA USA Registered: Sep 2004
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posted October 09, 2004 02:07 AM
Philbird, that is one of my fave 'toons of all-time! Glad you enjoyed! Here's a little story from the newswire tonight: Marijuana Abuse Affected by Genes and Environment NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Previous research has established a moderate relationship between marijuana abuse and depressive disorders. Now researchers report that the association between marijuana use and major depression probably arises from a combination of shared genetic and environmental vulnerabilities. Lead author Dr. Michael T. Lynskey and colleagues report the findings of their large study in the Archives of General Psychiatry. IP: Logged |
Heart--Shaped Cross Knowflake Posts: 363 From: north of Boston, MA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted October 10, 2004 09:12 AM
Speaking from a solid decade (give or take a week here or there) of personal experience.....Pot seems to affect people differently according to their own addictive or non-addictive tendencies. I've know plenty of people to flirt with it, or even immerse themselves in it, and the whole stupid pot counterculture along with it, and still "take care of business". Others, not so much. For most people, it seems, when they start smoking pot regularly, they start losing interest in doing anything else; like learning a skill/hobby, going to school, getting a girlfriend, etc. Doing anything but getting high starts to look like a waste of time and effort. The days, weeks, months and years go by. Memory is dulled, if not deadened. Concentration is a wive's tale. Friendships aren't much better. (You all start to resent each other for enabling each other.) It's dark, man,.. dark. IP: Logged |