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Gia
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posted September 09, 2004 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
The Effects Of Fluoride On
The Thyroid Gland
By Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield MBBS LRCP MRCS
Medical Advisor to Thyroid UK
9-9-4

There is a daunting amount of research studies showing that the widely acclaimed benefits on fluoride dental health are more imagined than real. My main concern however, is the effect of sustained fluoride intake on general health. Again, there is a huge body of research literature on this subject, freely available and in the public domain.

But this body of work was not considered by the York Review when their remit was changed from "Studies of the effects of fluoride on health" to "Studies on the effects of fluoridated water on health." It is clearly evident that it was not considered by the BMA (Britsh Medical Association), British Dental Association (BDA), BFS (British Fluoridation Society) and FPHM, (Faculty for Public Health and Medicine) since they all insist, as in the briefing paper to Members of Parliament - that fluoridation is safe and non-injurious to health.

This is a public disgrace, I will now show by reviewing the damaging effects of fluoridation, with special reference to thyroid illness.

It has been known since the latter part of the 19th century that certain communities, notably in Argentina, India and Turkey were chronically ill, with premature ageing, arthritis, mental retardation, and infertility; and high levels of natural fluorides in the water were responsible. Not only was it clear that the fluoride was having a general effect on the health of the community, but in the early 1920s Goldemberg, working in Argentina showed that fluoride was displacing iodine; thus compounding the damage and rendering the community also hypothyroid from iodine deficiency.

Highly damaging to the thyroid gland

This was the basis of the research in the 1930s of May, Litzka, Gorlitzer von Mundy, who used fluoride preparations to treat over-active thyroid illness. Their patients either drank fluoridated water, swallowed fluoride pills or were bathed in fluoridated bath water; and their thyroid function was as a result, greatly depressed. The use in 1937 of fluorotyrosine for this purpose showed how effective this treatment was; but the effectiveness was difficult to predict and many patients suffered total thyroid loss. So it was given a new role and received a new name, Pardinon. It was marketed not for over-active thyroid disease but as a pesticide. (Note the manufacturer of fluorotyrosine was IG Farben who also made sarin, a gas used in World War II).


This bit of history illustrates the fact that fluorides are dangerous in general and in particular highly damaging to the thyroid gland, a matter to which I shall return shortly. While it is unlikely that it will be disputed that fluorides are toxic - let us be reminded that they are Schedule 2 Poisons under the Poisons Act 1972, the matter in dispute is the level of toxicity attributable to given amounts; in today's context the degree of damage caused by given concentrations in the water supply. While admitting its toxicity, proponents rely on the fact that it is diluted and therefore, it is claimed, unlikely to have deleterious effects.

They could not be more mistaken

It seems to me that we must be aware of how fluoride does its damage. It is an enzyme poison. Enzymes are complex protein compounds that vastly speed up biological chemical reactions while themselves remaining unchanged. As we speak, there occurs in all of us a vast multitude of these reactions to maintain life and produce the energy to sustain it. The chains of amino acids that make up these complex proteins are linked by simple compounds called amides; and it is with these that fluorine molecules react, splitting and distorting them, thus damaging the enzymes and their activity. Let it be said at once, this effect can occur at extraordinary low concentrations; even lower than the one part per million which is the dilution proposed for fluoridation in our water supply.

The body can only eliminate half

Moreover, fluorides are cumulative and build up steadily with ingestion of fluoride from all sources, which include not just water but the air we breathe and the food we eat. The use of fluoride toothpaste in dental hygiene and the coating of teeth are further sources of substantial levels of fluoride intake. The body can only eliminate half of the total intake, which means that the older you are the more fluoride will have accumulated in your body. Inevitably this means the ageing population is particularly targeted. And even worse for the very young there is a major element of risk in baby formula made with fluoridated water. The extreme sensitivity of the very young to fluoride toxicity makes this unacceptable. Since there are so many sources of fluoride in our everyday living, it will prove impossible to maintain an average level of 1ppm as is suggested.

What is the result of these toxic effects?

First the immune system. The distortion of protein structure causes the immune proteins to fail to recognise body proteins, and so instigate an attack on them, which is Autoimmune Disease. Autoimmune diseases constitute a body of disease processes troubling many thousands of people: Rheumatoid Arthritis, Systemic Lupus Erythematosis, Asthma and Systemic Sclerosis are examples; but in my particular context today, thyroid antibodies will be produced which will cause Thyroiditis resulting in the common hypothyroid disease, Hashimoto's Disease and the hyperthyroidism of Graves' Disease.

Musculo Skeletal damage results further from the enzyme toxic effect; the collagen tissue of which muscles, tendons, ligaments and bones are made, is damaged. Rheumatoid illness, osteoporosis and deformation of bones inevitably follow. This toxic effect extends to the ameloblasts making tooth enamel, which is consequently weakened and then made brittle; and its visible appearance is, of course, dental fluorosis.

The enzyme poison effect extends to our genes; DNA cannot repair itself, and chromosomes are damaged. Work at the University of Missouri showed genital damage, targeting ovaries and testes. Also affected is inter uterine growth and development of the foetus, especially the nervous system. Increased incidence of Down's Syndrome has been documented.
Fluorides are mutagenic. That is, they can cause the uncontrolled proliferation of cells we call cancer. This applies to cancer anywhere in the body; but bones are particularly picked out. The incidence of osteosarcoma in a study reporting in 1991 showed an unbelievable 50% increase. A report in 1955 in the New England Journal of Medicine showed a 400% increase in cancer of the thyroid in San Francisco during the period their water was fluoridated.

My particular concern is the effect of fluorides on the thyroid gland

Perhaps I may remind you about thyroid disease. The thyroid gland produces hormones which control our metabolism - the rate at which we burn our fuel. Deficiency is relatively common, much more than is generally accepted by many medical authorities: a figure of 1:4 or 1:3 by mid life is more likely. The illness is insidious in its onset and progression. People become tired, cold, overweight, depressed, constipated; they suffer arthritis, hair loss, infertility, atherosclerosis and chronic illness. Sadly, it is poorly diagnosed and poorly managed by very many doctors in this country.
What concerns me so deeply is that in concentrations as low as 1ppm, fluorides damage the thyroid system on 4 levels.

1. The enzyme manufacture of thyroid hormones within the thyroid gland itself. The process by which iodine is attached to the amino acid tyrosine and converted to the two significant thyroid hormones, thyroxine (T4) and liothyronine (T3), is slowed.

2. The stimulation of certain G proteins from the toxic effect of fluoride (whose function is to govern uptake of substances into each of the cells of the body), has the effect of switching off the uptake into the cell of the active thyroid hormone.

3. The thyroid control mechanism is compromised. The thyroid stimulating hormone output from the pituitary gland is inhibited by fluoride, thus reducing thyroid output of thyroid hormones.

4. Fluoride competes for the receptor sites on the thyroid gland which respond to the thyroid stimulating hormone; so that less of this hormone reaches the thyroid gland and so less thyroid hormone is manufactured.
These damaging effects, all of which occur with small concentrations of fluoride, have obvious and easily identifiable effects on thyroid status. The running down of thyroid hormone means a slow slide into hypothyroidism. Already the incidence of hypothyroidism is increasing as a result of other environmental toxins and pollutions together with wide spread nutritional deficiencies.

141 million Europeans are at risk

One further factor should give us deep anxiety. Professor Hume of Dundee, in his paper given earlier this year to the Novartis Foundation, pointed out that iodine deficiency is growing worldwide. There are 141 million Europeans are at risk; only 5 European countries are iodine sufficient. UK now falls into the marginal and focal category. Professor Hume recently produced figures to show that 40% of pregnant women in the Tayside region of Scotland were deficient by at least half of the iodine required for a normal pregnancy. A relatively high level of missing, decayed, filled teeth was noted in this non-fluoridated area, suggesting that the iodine deficiency was causing early hypothyroidism which interferes with the health of teeth. Dare one speculate on the result of now fluoridating the water?

Displaces iodine in the body

These figures would be worrying enough, since they mean that iodine deficiency, which results in hypothyroidism (thyroid hormone cannot be manufactured without iodine) is likely to affect huge numbers of people. What makes it infinitely worse, is that fluorine, being a halogen (chemically related to iodine), but very much more active, displaces iodine. So that the uptake of iodine is compromised by the ejection, as it were, of the iodine by fluorine. To condemn the entire population, already having marginal levels of iodine, to inevitable progressive failure of their thyroid system by fluoridating the water, borders on criminal lunacy.
I would like to place a scenario in front of those colleagues who favour fluoridation. A new pill is marketed. Some trials not all together satisfactory, nevertheless, show a striking improvement in dental caries. Unfortunately, it has been found to be thyrotoxic, mutagenic, immunosuppressive, cause arthritis and infertility in comparatively small doses over a relatively short period of time.

Do you think it should be marketed?
Fluoridation of the nation's water supply will do little for our dental health; but will have catastrophic effects on our general health. We cannot, must not, dare not, subject our nation to this appalling risk.

Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield
obtained his Medical degrees in 1960 at Guy's Hospital London. He left the NHS in 1980 to specialise in thyroid illnesses drawing inspiration from the work of infamous Dr Broda Barnes, at the Foundation that bears his name, Connecticut, USA. He has been a medical practitioner for over forty years specialising in metabolic disorders during which time he became a leading authority in the UK for thyroid and adrenal management. For over twenty years he also ran a successful private clinic and became a nation-wide leading authority on thyroid and adrenal dysfunction, but clashed with establishment medicine in the management of thyroid illness. He is the author of The Great Thyroid Scandal (see opposite page), he currently lectures at nutritional colleges in London as well as conducting his own teaching seminars. Barry will shortly be opening a diagnostic clinic in the UK for thyroid and adrenal disorders where he will provide advice on diagnosis and treatment with special interests in nutritional aspects. For further information contact: Dr B Durrant- Peatfield 36A High St, Mersham, Redhill Surrey, RH1 3EA.
Tel: 44 (0)1737 215462 <mailto:Email: info@drpeatfield.com>Email: info@drpeatfield.com
Web site: http://www.drpeatfield.com
References:
L Goldemberg - La Semana Med 28:628 (1921) - cited in Wilson RH, DeEds F -"The Synergistic Action Of Thyroid On Fluoride Toxicity" Endocrinology 26:851 (1940).

G Litzka - "Die experimentellen Grundlagen der Behandlung des Morbus Basedow und der Hyperthyreose mittels Fluortyrosin"
Med Wochenschr 63:1037-1040 (1937) (discusses the basis of the use of fluorides in anti-thyroid medication, documents activity on liver, inhibition of glycolysis, etc.).

W May - "Behandlung der Hypothyreosen einschlieblich des schweren genuinen Morbus Basedow mit Fluor" Klin Wochenschr 16: 562 - 564 (1937).

Sarin: (GB: isopropyl methylphosono-fluoridate) is a colorless, odorless volatile liquid, soluble in water, first synthesized at IG Farben in 1938. It kills mainly through inhalation.

Cyclosarin (GF) and Thiosarin are variants. Pennsylvania Department of Health http://www.dsf.health.state.pa.us/health/cwp/view.asp?a=171&q=233740

Sarin: (GB: CH3-P(=O)(-F)(-OCH(CH3)2)
Source: A FOA Briefing Book on Chemical Weapons http://www.opcw.org/resp/html/nerve.html Gerhard Schrader, a chemist at IG Farben, was given the task of developing a pesticide. Two years later a phosphorus compound with extremely high toxicity was produced for the first time.
IG Farben: "...the board of American IG Farben had three directors from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the most influential of the various Federal Reserve Banks. American IG Farben. also had interlocks with Standard Oil of New Jersey, Ford Motor Company, Bank of Manhattan (later to become the Chase Manhattan Bank), and AEG. (German General Electric) Source: Moody's Manual of Investments; 1930, page 2149."
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_02.htm

At a later date, Namaste will be publishing a more in-depth article outlining the devastating affects that fluoride, aspartame and MSG have on the endocrine system.
Dr Durrant-Peatfield wiill be answering frequently asked questions on thyroid illness in Namaste's next issue. Send your questions to us preferably by
email to: info@namastepublishing.co.uk

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posted September 09, 2004 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paras     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, as always, for sharing, Gia. I love the specificity and veracity of your information.

I have a few questions... I have bad teeth; my wisdom teeth are coming in wrong, basically partway underneath the back molars. This has been causing me periods of INTENSE pain as the enamel cracks away from the molars and there is a lot of pressure going on. Six or so of my molars have over half the visible enamel gone. This problem has been going on for four years and can only be remedied by dental surgery, which I cannot afford. Also there is a chip in one of my front teeth (was my own stupid fault; never use a metal toothpick!), and it gets slowly larger as time goes by. Especially regarding the chip in the front tooth, I wonder if my enamel has become weak? Could flouride toothpaste have anything to do with it? And if so, what is a better alternative?

Sorry if I'm rambling but I just got back from my first bicycle ride in a long time and I am DIIIIZZZZYYYYYYY...

I'm getting off the cigarettes NOW! I can't believe how weak my lungs have become!!

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posted September 09, 2004 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
And I was just thinking TODAY that my NON-fluoride toothpaste leaves this sour taste in my mouth that might be due to the silicic acid in it.
I guess I'll stick to it anyway.
Right on, Gia (as always)

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posted September 09, 2004 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
*sigh*

Thanks, Gia.

I'm off to the health food store tomorrow to buy some non-flouride toothpaste.

My poor, underactive thyroid has enough trouble...

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posted September 09, 2004 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
I know Trillian *sigh* It seems like we are forever in battle my dear. Chin up lets have

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posted September 09, 2004 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Paras,

The better alternatives are not to drink tap water, or to use a fluoride toothpaste. The baking soda one is great. Get a Soni-Care they are the best ever and worth every penny.

When I was a child I had really decayed baby teeth. Half of them had to be removed by gas. I was so traumatised by the whole experience that I became manic when my adult teeth came through. I clean and polish about three times a year. Since I purchased the Soni-Care my dentist complained that he could find nothing to clean. So now I polish only once every twelve months. I do floss.

I always ask for the sonic clean and polish instead of all the scraping which I believe is most unhealthy.

As for the wisdom teeth, I have faxed my dentist in the United Kingdom for his advice. He is a very close old friend of mine and a specialist in his field. He'll fax me back in the morning and I'll pass his comments on.


Stay of those smokes, you lemonade guzzling
thing you! Oh by the way, I got another one of those naughty sites again. *sigh* I must say this one was most informative.

Gia

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posted September 09, 2004 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for talaith     Edit/Delete Message
this is a wonderful non-flouride toothpaste:

Nutribiotic Dental Gel

it contains sanguinaria extract which i've learned is one of the most effective ingredients for preventing cavities and tooth decay.

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posted September 10, 2004 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
I use Tom's: http://www.tomsofmaine.com/toms/product.asp?dept%5Fid=400&pf%5Fid=TP%2DnonFL

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posted September 10, 2004 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
Yes Yin, I like the Tom's too.

Gia

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posted September 10, 2004 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for talaith     Edit/Delete Message
another good one ~

Jason's Sea Fresh -- with certified organic blue green algae, sea salts and minerals and perilla seed extract.

the perilla seed is strongly antibacterial and blocks sugar acids.

the blue green algae is biologically active and it heals, detoxifies and strengthens teeth and gums.

with natural whitening polishers, silica, calcium carbonate and bamboo powder.

for breath freshening it has deep sea spearmint -- powerful!

it also has the grapefruit seed extract that nutribiotic does which is antibacterial as well.

after using these, i can't imagine ever putting regular toothpaste in my mouth again!

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posted September 10, 2004 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/kenspowershack2/seafrestootf.html

I'm just creating little reference links for easy view.
Carry on.

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posted September 10, 2004 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
I saw that and thought perhaps it tasted yucky. Guess I'll be buying more stuff this afternoon then.

Thanks so much.

Gia

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posted September 10, 2004 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I just read most of the article on fluoride. Very interesting indeed- I didn't know about the thyroid thing but what I did know is that fluoride does cause chemical change somewhere in our brains that causes us to be passive. My step-father who is an industrial chemist knows of most side-effects fluoride has, yet it's still marketed. Also, I was told it's illegal in australia to talk about fluoride as a consipracy and to hold meetings to get it off the market. Fluoride is nasty stuff!

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posted September 12, 2004 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Great info!

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posted September 12, 2004 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Picked up some of the Jason's Sea Fresh yesterday. Mostly because it was mentioned here, and it was on sale.

But...when buying any of these natural toothpastes, be careful if you are trying to avoid flouride. Almost all the brands have some selections that contain flouride, including Jason's Sea Fresh. So be sure to read the ingredients before buying.

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posted September 12, 2004 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for talaith     Edit/Delete Message
hi trillian ~

my tube of sea fresh doesn't list flouride. am i missing it disguised by another name?

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posted September 12, 2004 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suzume     Edit/Delete Message
wow....

thats crazy....

So....

I've just written out a note to go on the fridge, summerising fluoride and it's long term affects and i'm going to make everyone read it... LOL. cause it's interesting. N I hope the other tooth paste tastes better?

Just out of curiosity which toothpaste cleans your teeth better?

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posted September 12, 2004 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think you're missing anything, talaith. I just noticed that there were several choices for Jason's, and that some of them proclaimed that they now had flouride. I chose one that didn't.

There were also some Tom's of Maine that contained flouride, and some that didn't.

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posted September 14, 2004 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suzume     Edit/Delete Message
RRRGGGHHHHH,

I just told me girlfriend about that fluoride thing and you know what she said?
She said she didn't care because she believes in fate and that fluoride isn't going to change how she will die...

lol. I'm sorry but am I the only person that finds that complete *$#Y&@*)#$&?

How can someone disrespect thier own body so much?

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posted September 14, 2004 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
Well, you could make the argument that if she does in fact believe in Fate, then from her perspective, Fate is true and real. Ergo, she's not disrespecting her body, she's completely correct. Fate has already determined the way in which she will die, and nothing she does will influence it.

Do I believe in Fate? Nah...but some people do, and I respect their choices.

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posted April 09, 2005 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gia     Edit/Delete Message
I wanted to bump this because of all the recent talk of holistic dentistry.

Gia

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posted April 14, 2005 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
Thank You Gia! my hunny and I were just talking about the effects of flouride. His Ma (pixie "P") wouldnt allow him any flouride treatments as a kids. Which he uses that as the reason for his bad teeth. Which I know isnt the colprit.
His dentist had sent him home with flouride treatment and those plastic trays to put the gel in. Maybe after he reads this he'll understand why him ma did what she did and not use it as crutch to his dentistry problems.

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posted April 27, 2005 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LostInStrangeWorld     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Gia, hi everyOne.....

I was wondering whether anyone could suggest something I could use to brush my 18-month old's teeth with. I currently use SMALL amounts of low-fluoride children's toothpaste after my health visitor warned me it was much better to use it than non-fluoride ones. However, it does concern me that he is too young to understand he should spit it out. I have seen fluoride-free toothpastes in the shops, but don't know whether any of the ingrediants in them would be just as bad to swallow(?).

I try to avoid sugary foods, etc for him- but at the same time I don't want to completely deny him or one day he might want to rebel! So I think it's important I take care of his teeth. Perhaps I should brush his teeth with a plain, wet toothbrush rather than let him swallow small amounts of toothpaste? Would the chemicals in herbal toothpaste harm him? Baking soda toothpaste? Anyone?

Sorry, I realise I do have the tendency to complicate subjects!!

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I found this forum talking about fluoride and different conspiracy theories. The members there posted different links to other sources that offer some facts.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread21533/pg1
And http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=20662

It's best to be informed.

And thanks Trillian for informing us about the tea!

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