posted May 19, 2005 05:18 PM              

Im still in the process of becoming a full time teacher, and right now Im teaching special education and at-risk students. I was sorting through all the records and individual education plans for these students and found that an overwhelming majority of these special needs students are Air Signs...Geminis, Libras, and Aquarians, then followed by Fire Signs...mostly Aries and Sagittarius!!

posted May 19, 2005 09:01 PM              

i was part of the first of the "ritalin generation". i went on ritalin in second grade and i am 25 now.

i definitly have strong opinions on the subject. i used to work at the school for kids (6th grade - age 16) that have been kicked out of the local school district for various reasons and then court ordered to go to the school i worked at. so i have plenty of experience/info/opinion... but i dont wanna cram anything down anyone's throat and i dont know much about the astrology of it.

posted May 20, 2005 10:23 PM            

this isn't the only aspect that shows hyperactivity, just the most common.

posted May 21, 2005 12:06 AM              

some people were saying i was a genius before i went to school and i scored high in the IQ test and i could carry on a conversation by age 1. but anything i was bad at like learning math, grammer or basically anything they teach in school i would just not do it. if it was hard AND boring there was just not a chance of me doing it. so i come more from a upper-middle class background. I was the one torturing my parents and not the other way around.

the kids i worked with for a few years came from the opposite situations, very often abused or very poor.

i dont beleive there is any such thing as "ADHD or ADD". maybe people lack the attention to do certain tasks but that is the way the world has always been and its not a disorder. the problems are varied, victims of abuse are sometimes incapable of resisting the urge to act out the abuse that they endured and they become more or less socio-pathic. im no expert on that, but the rest of the kids who just cant sit still need to be introduced to as many things/ideas/places etc... as possible so that they can discover what interests them and put the tremendous amount of energy they have into their interest. people are so varied and schools aren't. not everybody should be pushed to learn stuff in such a regimented way. creative minds suffocate in schools.

there isn't a single solution, but if people realized that there is no use pushing a kid who will be the greatest hair-stylist or car mechanic to learn about antonyms and prepositions, then those kids would maybe be spared some depressing issues. those kids aren't "failures" because they cant or dont want to do algebra, they would be great at something but society has chosen to put everyone through the educational ringer.

offtopic, public schools are just social conditioning. think about the social structure that was established in high-school, it remains throughout life! the good looking popular guy with all the chicks usually gets rich. the poor kid who was kinda dirty and not so handsome and popular probably works for the popular guy when they get out of highschool. schools represent a lot of our social structure.

posted May 22, 2005 12:08 AM              

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ADHD is shown by the conjunction or square of Mercury and Mars

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I have this aspect. Mars conjunct Mercury and conjunct Sun in Aqua, and Gemini ascendant. One of the Edu assistants asked me if I have ADHD...because I talk like a maniac!! lol I have to or I forget what I'm saying very easily. My mind works at warp speed and not in a linear fashion! A big reason why I couldnt do well in English class. I couldn't write essays...one of the reasons I didn't like English class much! Worked on it in post-secondary...still need to work on it!

posted May 22, 2005 01:47 AM              

His true diagnoses: (per hospital testing)
ADHD, Previously recognized (age 7)
Records Reflect: DX & Meds by psychiatrist (1996)

Currently not on meds pending a full evaluation per second psychiatrist (meds removed 13 months ago)

Test results (2002) show the following (age 12):

Vocabulary Comprehension Disorder
Mixed Receptive & Expressive Oral Language Disorder
Average Nonverbal Intellect

A Language Based Learning Disability manifesting as:
Reading Disorders
Written Expression Disorders
Math Disorders
Handwriting Problems

He also has a very high IQ; his emotional IQ was below average. They felt the emotional IQ was low due to these two factors.

“One his disorder would make him more isolated from other children, them thinking of him as dumb/stupid. Second, to which came later (after DX) due to parents divorce. Emotional issues are being addressed through therapy. Only meds recommend possibly would be anit-depressants for emotional issues. AHDH medications are not recommended. Meds should be up to the treating Psychiatrist accruing to what if any are needed for depression.”

Most kids with this disorder are first thought of as ADHD. Why? They are not able to learn the same as other children. Needing a of more visual learning setting. The reason he was not controllable was NOT because he was ADHD, he would be hyper because he could not comprehended what he was learning. Causing him to be more restless in a normal class setting. (Aries played a part also here, I think)

I feel he has a mix of all the things you mentioned in your post. The learning disability, anger of the divorce at the time, fighting with other kids due to the name-calling made him feel he had no control over the world around him. That brought on the behavior problems. He was kicked out of his grade school for fighting the kids who teased him. A reactive bully (kids who react to negatively to a bully) is what they called him. Not all cases are like my sons, each child is different I wanted to post his story for others that are looking for answers regarding ADHD/ADD. Once his learning needs were modified to fit his needs has made big improvements. Counseling has helped deal with his emotional needs.

My son is an Aries sun, Aries Moon, Scorpio ASC. Aries was one of the signs you mentioned. Here is his birth info your welcome to look at his chart. {March 27, 1990 9:45pm Dallas, TX USA} I’m still learning my way around Linda Land. I don’t know how to add links in the post yet, sorry. With your knowledge of teaching & astrology I thought maybe you would like to look at his chart. I have spent many years researching the issue of ADHD or not ADHD in children. Never thought of adding astrology to the mix. I’m just learning astrology I would not know how or what to look for in a chart. LOL I hope this helps with your studies of how it would show in a (child’s) chart. I look forwarded to hearing your insight on what you discover when you have time. Wishing you much success in your teaching career.

posted May 22, 2005 02:07 AM              

DayDreamer & Bee I admire & respect you both for taking on the challenge of helping special needs and at risk kids. As a mother who has face this challenge with her own son, I understand the challenges you will face. I would be happy to help with any questions you may have from a mother’s point of view. Y’all can help me understand how astrology might come into play. Here is a kid that has all the above factors coming into play. He has not taken or been on any meds going on four years now.

posted May 22, 2005 05:37 PM              

This is one field I am truly passionate about and plan on really looking into its depth, especially in the years to come. In the mean time I will do as much as I can to help you on this thread.

Your son is truly very special. And him being an Aries, possesses strong and pioneering qualities that many people do lack.

This is my last week in school, so next week I can take a better look at your inquiry, and your son's chart and maybe give you some advice from there.

Best wishes in the mean time

posted May 23, 2005 01:47 PM            

Pluto is so slow and deliberate that hyperactivity just doesn't fall there.
Pluto is obsessive (focused)
where mars/mercury is everywhere at once.
thats what Mars does with this aspect, it fires up the mentality.

posted May 24, 2005 12:15 AM            

This could arguably be called one of the most intense, powerful aspects in astrology.

You know how you always hear that James Bond must be a Scorpio?? More like Mars conjunct Pluto. Sexy and deadly

posted May 24, 2005 02:05 AM              

Randall ~ very true!

posted May 24, 2005 06:25 AM              

the only hard aspects are mars(7th) square P.fortunae (10th), mars (7th) square saturn (10th), mars(7th) opposed neptune(1st).

mercury(9th) conjunct jupiter(9th), mercury(9th) square uranus(12th), mercury(9th) square chiron(6th), mercury(9th) square ASC(scorp)

uranus(12th) opposed moon(7th), uranus square jupiter(9th), uranus opposed chiron(6th)

the ones i think might indicate add are this one... mars(7th) opposed neptune(1st).

then this combo...mercury(9th) conjunct jupiter(9th), mercury(9th) square uranus(12th), uranus square jupiter(9th).

posted May 25, 2005 10:47 PM              

The last one is also on ODD...something else I'd like to look at.

Wyldflower, his birth information should be handy.

beebuddy, my head's in the fog at the moment...running on a tight deadline, and kicking myself for my procrastinating ways.

posted May 27, 2005 05:54 PM            

So I looked at my exbf's chart. He, too was an ADD child: mercury square mars.

posted May 27, 2005 07:20 PM              

I posted about my being labeled in a similar way at the thread in astrology about who swears the most(sign wise), but I think perhaps it should be here because it shows how damaging labels can be. I have only in the last decade(I am 50) recovered completely from the self doubt it caused me.
So here is that post:
No IQ tests are not the end all to be all to determine intellegence. I know this because when I was younger, I stuttered, had undiagnosed bad eyesight and was mildly dyslexic. I ended up in the special education class because I was a fat kid who spoke in stutters and all. The school system had become boring to me. They did not know that I had taught myself how to read and write beginning when I was 4 and a half years old. The kiddie books bored me to tears. The teachers sat me too far from the blackboard/chalkboard and I couldn't see it at all. So I fell behind the standard curricula and was lost in the cracks because of old school bigotry and biases. Then blessedly we aquired a new teacher. He was absolutely wonderful! He saw something beyond a fat withdrawn kid(I'd been raped shortly before that and also was affected with precocious puberty, having gone through it at 9 years old)who stuttered...and got me into some special testing programs. To everyone's utter amazement, the big fat, stupid, coke bottled glasses wearing(I finally got eyeglasses prior to his coming into my sad young life)weird, funny talking girl, had the highest IQ in the county! I wonder how many very bright young people are still being "misplaced".

posted May 28, 2005 02:36 PM              

When I first set foot in a special education class, I was astonished by some of the kids in their. They seemed fine to me. Maybe some need to be their because of behavioural problems or other personality difficulties or personal problems but their brains are completely fine, they can learn. They just need a certain, more supportive environment to do that learning in. For me personally, if I was put in special ed, I would have a learned a lot more than I did in a regular class. But that label of being a special needs student really does affect the students, how they perceive themselves and how others perceive them. Classrooms need to be more like spec.ed departments...caring, supportive, respectful...etc.

I’ve worked with autistic kids too. And know a few families with autistic children personally. The range of autism today is quite large, with more kids being identified as such. Generally, they see the world differently...some do not communicate verbally, some can be defiant and violent, and some can be the most communicative and eloquent people you’ve ever met. I noticed many are very precise and fastidious.

posted May 28, 2005 02:56 PM              

What does your son want to be when he grows up?

I still have to understand your son's chart some more before I can give you my suggestions.

I'll give you his aspects. For now maybe you or anyone else with insight on this can give you their suggestions or input.

This is what your son has in his chart:

SUN IN ARIES/5TH HOUSE
SUN FIRST DECAN ARIES
SUN SEXTILE MARS
SUN SQUARE JUPITER
SUN SQUARE URANUS
SUN SQUARE NEPTUNE

ASCENDANT IN SCORPIO 2ND DECAN (PISCES/NEPTUNE SUB INFLUENCE)

MOON IN ARIES/6TH
MOON SQUARE SATURN (CAP/3)
MOON TRINE MC/LEO
MOON SEXTILE IC/AQUA

MARS IN AQUA/3RD
MARS CONJUNCT NORTHNODE (AQUA/3)
MARS SQUARE ASCENDANT
MARS SQUARE PLUTO (SCORP/1)
MARS SEXTILE SUN

MERCURY IN ARIES/5TH
MERCURY TRINE MC/LEO
MERCURY SEXTILE IC/AQUA
MERCURY SEXTILE MARS (AQUA/3)
MERCURY SQUARE SATURN (CAP/3)

VENUS IN AQUA/3
VENUS CONJUNCT IC
VENUS OPPOSITE MC
VENUS CONJUNCT NORTHNODE (AQUA/3)
VENUS SQUARE ASC/DC

NEPTUNE SEXTILE ASC
NEPTUNE TRINE DC
NEPTUNE SEXTILE PLUTO

PLUTO CONJUNCT ASCENDANT
PLUTO OPPOSITE DC (TAURUS)
PLUTO SQUARE MARS (AQUA/3)
PLUTO SQUARE NORTH NODE (AQUA/3)
PLUTO SQUARE VENUS (AQUA/3)
PLUTO SEXTILE NEPTUNE (CAP/2)
PLUTO SQUARE MC
PLUTO SQUARE IC

Some of the difficulties in his chart:

SUN SQUARE JUPITER
SUN SQUARE URANUS
SUN SQUARE NEPTUNE
MOON SQUARE SATURN
MARS SQUARE ASCENDANT
MERCURY SQUARE SATURN (CAP/3)
VENUS OPPOSITE MC
VENUS SQUARE ASC/DC

He has alot of Pluto Squares...
PLUTO SQUARE MARS (AQUA/3)
PLUTO SQUARE NORTH NODE (AQUA/3)
PLUTO SQUARE VENUS (AQUA/3)
PLUTO SQUARE MC
PLUTO SQUARE IC

You can find interpretation for each aspect on: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/index.php

You can also find planets in the houses and signs there too.

A description of first Decan Aries Sun on: http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/ariesdecans.html

A description of second Decan Scorp Rising: http://www.elbertwade.com/page105.html