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delerious
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posted October 31, 2005 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
Any advice ?? feel like I'm losing it....

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delerious
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posted October 31, 2005 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
feel like a cat on a hot tin roof.....

not getting enough of either (not to mention SEX !!! ) but know it's the best for my health right now....

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posted October 31, 2005 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I just bumped a topic on smoking/breathing by 26taurus. Take a look, it helped me!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001188.html

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delerious
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posted October 31, 2005 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
thanks sun child, was the topic I was looking for, (note other thread on how to find old topics!!)

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delerious
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posted October 31, 2005 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
from the book "Addiction free naturally"" by Brigitte Mars (will edit this later, my scanner don't get it right !! )

No other disease affects as many people as addiction. Current estimates suggest that addictions affect one-third of the population in the United States; that's one in three people who are addicted or are directly involved with an addict. Of course, when most of us hear the word addict, we think crack, or cocaine, or heroin, or any of the other horrifyingly addictive illegal street drugs we've been teaching our children to abhor. Certainly we don't think about, say, sugar-and yet sugar is the most prevalent addictive substance in the world!
As a society we're well schooled on what constitutes an addiction, as well as what does not. The United States' "war on drugs" is not about getting office workers to ease back on coffee, though perhaps it should be-caffeine has been linked to anxiety, depression, insomnia, fibrocystic breast disease, cardiovascular disease, birth defects, and reproductive problems, and, as you've probably found out for yourself, it's highly addictive. When our schoolchildren wear T-shirts emblazoned JUST SAY NO, they're not talking about chocolate-although it can stunt their growth and cause fatigue, hyperactivity, obesity, depression,4Natural and Herbal Approaches to Treating Addiction
acne, heartburn, and heart disease. And, yes, chocolate works just like an addictive drug-it stimulates feel-good neurotransmitters, and when these effects wear off, it leaves us wanting more.
Addiction-Free-Naturally addresses what could be called societal addictions: the addictive substances that have wormed their way into the daily life of Western culture. I'm not talking about smoking dope here; I'm talking about that habitual morning cup of coffee, about cigarette breaks, about refined sugar being a major ingredient in just about every packaged food on the market. Addictions are endemic to our society. Some of us are fortunate enough to avoid them. Some of us know we have addictions, and we try time and time again to kick them. Others of us have simply yet to see the warning signs.No substance is all good or all bad. As the old proverb says, "The evil lies within the man, not the drug." Most addictive substances have sig-significant and valuable applications. We know these uses, and we know the dangers inherent to them. If we ignore the dangers, we must take responsibility for our decisions. Addiction is our own self-made malaise. We have created it, and we are the only ones who can overcome it. Having an addiction does not make you a bad or weak-willed person. Indeed, addictions are quite common; more people have them than not. Some addictions are a self-destructive response to life stressors. Others are a natural by-product of the society we live in. The important thing - and often the most difficult thing-is to realize and acknowledge an addiction. Once you've taken that first step, you're well on your way to beating it.

The Quest for Purity

Throughout history virtually every culture has devised some way of altering consciousness, whether it be through fermented fruit or grain, mushrooms, or tobacco. Alcohol, tobacco, and various other mindbending substances were traditionally used for medicine, ceremony, and celebration. In past ages addiction was considered a mortal sin and was treated with ridicule, punishment, and even When the world of medicine changed, however, it changed fast. In , the nineteenth century active plant ingredients were discovered and isolated in quick succession-morphine in 1806, codeine in 1832, atropine in 1833, caffeine in 1841, cocaine in 1860, heroin in 1883, , and mescaline in 1896.

When the world of medicine changed, however, it changed fast. In the nineteenth century active plant ingredients were discovered and isolated in quick succession-morphine in 1806, codeine in 1832, atropine in 1833, caffeine in 1841, cocaine in 1860, heroin in 1883, and mescaline in 1896.

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delerious
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posted October 31, 2005 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
Are You Addicted?

1. Do You feel thatyou just don't wantWaJ.1t to stop indulging in a particular substance-caffeine, sugar, tobacco, alcohol-right now, although you could at any time?
2. Have you ever tried to stop fof a week but been unable to do do?
3. Do you resent the advice of others who express concern about your substance use?
4. Have you ever tried to control your addiction by switching to an alternative addictive stlbstance? For instance, have yotl ever taken up smoking so that you could give up drinking?
5. Do you envy people who can indulge without getting into trouble?
6. Has your substance use created problems with friends and family?
7. Do you try to avoid farmily or friends when you're using your substance?
8. Have you lost relationships
9. Are your friendships determined by whether others indulge in the same substance or not?
10. Do You indulge in your substance alone?
11. Have You ever neglected your family or work for a few days in a row due to substance abuse?
12. When substances are limited or unavailable at social events, do you try to obtain some anyway?
13. Have you missed time from work during the past year due to substance use?
14. Has your substance of choice stopped being fun to use?
15. When you are low on your substance, do you feel anxious or worried about how to more?
16. Do you plan your life around your substance use?
17. Do you ever consume more of your particular substance than you intend to?
18. fue you consuming more than you used to in order to feel the same effects?
19. Do you consume as much as you can and feel reluctant to discard any leftovers?
20. Are you experiencing fmancial difficultY due to substance use?
21. Do you use your substance when you are disappointed, depressed, or going through a difficult time?
22 Does your substance use affect your sleep?
23. Has your sexual ability or desire suffered from your substance use? 24. Are you concerned that if you stop using, you will lack energy, motivation, confidence, or the ability to relax?
25. Do you use your substance repeatedly to sleep or stay awake?
26. Do you ever lie to others about how much or how often you consume your particular substance?
27.Have you. ever stolen jewellry or goods to support your habit?
28. Have you lost a job because of substance use?
29.ever regret the way you behaved while you were on a substance-use high?
30. Do you experience rritability,headaches, or tremors when you have ular substance for a while?
31. Have you ever passed out from substance use?
not indulging in that particular substance?
33. Have you become more irritable and difficult to get along with?
34. Is your pattern of use potentially dangerous? (This can be true even in cases where substance consumption is neither frequent nor excessive.)
35. Do you lack self-control in deciding whether or not to consume your particular substance?
36. Is your habit putting you into a state of poor health?
37. Is your substance abuse dangerous to others? (Via secondhand smoke, drunk driving, using up family resources, et cetera?)

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posted October 31, 2005 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anita41     Edit/Delete Message
delerious,
Ah, I was just talking to a friend about this last night. He is trying to quit smoking. We talked about how it's related to alcohol and how you can not go out in the weekends and drink if youre gonna try to quit the cig. And how its all in the mind about the addictiveness and that its something you cant get enough of. The more you get it the more you want it. You cant control it, and you dont know why its like that and you dont care either cause all you want is to get that "high", although nicotine doesnt give you anything like a high, but its something that makes you sick if you dont get it and calm when you get it over and over again in circle. Almost the same as with people who use heroine.
What is your sign and ascendant and moon?
I guess it would have something to say when quitting addictions because if you have a lot of air, this could for instance make your nerves worse, not being able to sleep, jumping from the should/should not take that cig. And if quitting, you should need someone to talk to because talking would probably help you a lot Id guess.
To make you understand yourself and how you take the choices you do when you feel the cig and alcohol itches.
If you have a lot of fire, maybe it would be the best to exersice a lot to make it go away.
Lol, you say you cant get enough of sex either, sounds like you really have an addictive nature You should find something that could balance this, you...
And btw I think sex would be very good for you when quitting cig and alcohol.
It makes you relaxed afterwords but not like any drug, its more healthy, and strengthens you, your spirit and body.

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Philbird
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posted October 31, 2005 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
You are very brave delerious, very brave! I wish you the best.

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trillian
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posted October 31, 2005 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trillian     Edit/Delete Message
delerious, how about using one of Paul McKenna's hypnosis programs? You can easily find them on ebay or amazon.

I can attest to his abilities: He is a miracle worker.

Best of luck. I quit smoking many many years ago and have been grateful ever since.

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posted October 31, 2005 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel_of_hope     Edit/Delete Message
I recently read this lexigram at www.goodworksonearth.org regarding Addictions ....
ADDICTED
... from ...
ACDDDEIT
..... revealing .....
(causes)
I ADDED ACT
I ADD IT
I ADDED IT
I TIED IT
IT TIED I
I DICED AT IT
(Results)
ADDICTED I DIE
I DIED ADDICTED
I DIED DEAD
(Law Spoken)
I CITED EDICT
(Solution)
I EDIT DIET
I ATE
I EAT
I TIED A DIET TIDE
IT AIDED I
I ADD IDEA
I DE-ADDICT I
I DE-ADDICTED I
DIET DID IT
I DID IT

HABIT
... from the letters …
ABHIT
..... revealing …..

I BIT AT A BAIT
A BAIT BIT AT I
I HABIT IT

.... and a bit more ....


[b]ADDICTED[b]
… from the letters …
ACDDDEIT
….. revealing …..

I ADD
I ADDED IT
DICE I DICED
IT TIED I
I CITED EDICT
I EDIT DIET
I ATE
I EAT
I DID IT
I DID ACT
I DE-ADDICT
I ADDED IDEA
I TIED DIET TIDE
ADDICTED IDEA DIED

... They then go into Alcohalism and how depression is related to addiction and visa-versa. Acutally it was a really interesting read ...

Good Luck with quiting!!

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posted November 01, 2005 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
thanks for all the thoughtful replies everyone.....

thanks so much for the support with my difficult struggle !!!

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delerious
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posted November 01, 2005 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message

*edit* don't know why my ISP takes so long to post sometimes...


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delerious
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posted November 05, 2005 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
think I'm over the hump, cut down drastically , been a real nasty person lately (shrink says it's good getting in touch with anger) maybe but got the feeling maybe a the pendulum swung too far..... ??? telling ppl off r+l for intolerant, irrational reasons....

but in another sense think finally speaking the angry truth about my life, and it feels good - setting boundaries ??? (but maybe too much going overboard ? little too exagerated....)

this too shall pass.......

feeling a little better now, lonely but actually feeling good (p*ssed off but happy ???? polarities??? )

thanks all of you for your loving incredible insights, prob couldn't have done it without all of you......

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posted November 10, 2005 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
still jonsing + nervous..... but maybe over hump ???

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Philbird
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posted November 11, 2005 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
For alchohol addiction, I hear "Campral" works wonders on cravings.

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posted November 15, 2005 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for delerious     Edit/Delete Message
Philbird dear, what is Campral ?? an herb or vitamin ?

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posted November 23, 2005 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, my computer had a virus.
Champrel is prescribed by a Dr. It's to cut down on cravings.
Also I just heard the other day...
If you shave some cinnamin into an alcholic drink... alchol will never taste the same again. Even if it's a fresh drink. AND, if you place a bar of soap under a pack of cigs, they will taste really nasty.
I haven't tried these, soooooooo
Let me know if you do. Good Luck!

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posted December 28, 2005 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theREALfajita3     Edit/Delete Message
Delerious
Please dont feel alone
Not a day goes by where I don't just wish I had a hit of crack/a half a methadone biscuit/a half an oxy/a six pack/15 klonopin. The urges, are horrible. But BUT it's never EVER EVER EVER enough until we kill ourselves with it. And don't ever be ashamed of picking it up again- YOUR HUMAN- WE GET BACK UP AND DUST OURSELVES OFF AND TRY AGAIN. I like the sound of that breathing method too.

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posted December 28, 2005 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theREALfajita3     Edit/Delete Message
BTW I wasn't encouraging doing it again...I was more speaking for myself !

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posted December 30, 2005 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for marsconjunctmercury     Edit/Delete Message
Delirious. I am going through the same thing as you. I class myself as being in a transitional period, in limbo as it were.
My problem is that when i do something i do it full on or not at all. Currently my predicament is that i'm trying to serve 2 masters; my need to maintain my health and do loads of fitness, and my tendency to over-indulge in a variety of things when i go out socialising. A bit of cocaine is ok now and then but my real worry is what smoking has done to me physically. I always want to be really stoned on skunk before i go out down the pub, and although i try eating it i don't come up as much, and can't be bothered to prepare food with it in. Drinking is ok but i feel why bother putting it in yourself. It just rots one's brain in high doses, and some people act like morons on it.
My problem is that i can't go into a pub straight and enjoy myself. I am also single at the moment so i need to go out - or do i?
Frankly i want to go pure now. I've been saying this for flipping years, and i've not really gained anything by postponing it. I'll just have to take the plunge and become even more withdrawn so i get through to the other side which is purity and going to yoga instead of getting wasted.
What's everyone doing New Years Eve btw? See what am i going to do that night if i start my purity now. FFS! A bit of red wine is ok i s'pose but it always escalates.
Does anyone do anything on here at night to socialise without putting toxins into their body, and if so what is it so Delerious and i can move forward.


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Philbird
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posted January 25, 2006 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Hi all!
I just got done reading a book called "When Society Becomes an Addict". EXELLANT!!!!!!!!
By Anne Wilson Schaef

Very interesting point of view on our society as an addition- not just the individual. It didn't lecture you. It helped me understand why people become addicts.
Here is a passage that really hit home for me...

"For most addicts the thought of living-and by this I mean living fully-is far more frightening that the thought of dying or being only partially alive. Since addicts have high control needs, being addicted gives them the illusion of having control (they are in control of being not alive and not dead.) Living fully seems the same as having no control, and that feeling is experienced as UNBEARABLE!"
If you would really look at that paragraph from your heart, you might even cry.

There are many kinds of addicts. You would be surprised at what our society considers "the norm" when it's actually an addictive behavior!

READ THIS BOOK! You can get it cheap from Amazon.com

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posted January 31, 2006 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
Bump dammit for Deleirous!

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