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maklhouf
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posted December 20, 2006 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Primitive people don't need B vitamins because they eat dirty food. We clean up our food. So it becomes less nutritious and then we spend money putting back what we washed out in the first place?

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posted December 20, 2006 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yourfriendinspirit     Edit/Delete Message
I would absolutely agree with you however is'nt our soil now filled with toxins unlike in primitive times therefor causing the need to wash our foods and then supplement our bodies with the missing nutritions? Hmmm?
~There's Food For Thought
Perhaps less toxins is where the value is at

Great topic Maklhouf, thank you for stimulating my brain. I'm interested in others peoples veiws on this as well.

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posted December 20, 2006 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
wouldn't biodynamic farming methods be a solution?

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posted December 20, 2006 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
Nutrition and Biodynamics:
Evidence for the Nutritional Superiority of Organic Crops

Virginia Worthington MS, ScD, CNS
(Originally published in BIODYNAMICS 224, July/August, 1999)

While it is generally acknowledged that pesticide residues in food and drinking water may be a bad thing, the conventional wisdom still holds that organic food is no more nutritious than conventionally grown food. A stunning lack of interest on the part of government and university researchers is in large part to blame for this situation. What is behind claims about the nutritiousness of organic food and how does biodynamic food stack up against the rest of the pack? Let's take a look at the evidence.

There have not been a huge number of researchers that have even considered the influence that agriculture methods might have on human or animal nutrition. Nevertheless, there have been at least thirty-five studies comparing the nutrient levels of organic and conventional crops. Few of these studies are directly comparable. Some look at only fertilizers and others at farming systems such as biodynamics; some examine freshly picked produce at the farm gate while others look at crops that have been in storage or have been shipped to market. Moreover, taken individually, few of the studies show conclusive evidence one way or the other. As a consequence, it is easy to walk away thinking that there is no significant difference.

However, when the nutritional comparisons are piled up together and we ask the right questions, a different picture emerges which suggests that organically grown crops are more nutritious. In the following sections, we will ask a few of these questions with regard to the body of published comparisons, and along the way see how well biodynamic crops compare both to conventional and to other organic crops.


entire article ~ http://www.biodynamics.com/biodynamicsarticles/worth.html

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posted December 20, 2006 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
One thing I would never waste money on is chelated minerals. If it were the case that we need a special vegetable coating to absorb minerals, nobody would ever be poisoned by them

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posted December 20, 2006 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
one of my favorite books, called The Enlivened Rock Powders, is about including different minerals in agricultural methods. it revolves around the steiner/biodynamic principles.

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clays, crystals, and the grand miscellany known as dusts of the soil, rated consideration long before hunting and gathering gave way to soil tillage. Gilgamesh endured because of his soil magic, and the Greek Dioscorides gave credit to the properties of clay for his extraordinary strength. Pliny the Elder devoted an entire chapter of National History to the subject. Michael Abhensera, in The Healing Clay, tells us that Russian soldiers received 200 grams of a special clay as rations, and the healing arts the world over rely on various mixtures -- Cutler's earth in France, for instance -- because "duplicating its properties through chemical or physical means is impossible." life plus life equals life. dead plus dead equals dead. mere chemistry cannot rebuild life. Indeed, there is a secret life in the enlivened dusts of the earth, and Rudolf Steiner made it his business to bring this reality into a modern context.

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posted December 20, 2006 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
from The Enlivened Rock Powders ~

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Steiner spoke and wrote: "the far planets, mars, jupiter and saturn, work upon the silica beneath the Earth's surface, assisting those influences from the sun which also work beneath the earth's surface. all that works below the earth's surface from mars, jupiter, saturn and the sun to influence the growth of plants works not directly, but in this way. it is first received by the earth and the earth then rays it upwards. thus, the influences that rise upward from the earthly soil for the growth of plants are in reality cosmic influences rayed back from the earth and working directly in the air and water over the earth. these relationships determine how the earthly soil, according to its constitution, works upon the growth of plants.

"modern man knows practically nothing of how the light behaves in the interior of the earth. he does not know that the silicous, that is, the cosmic stone or rock or sand received the light into the earth and makes it effective there.

"precisely with regard to this silicous principle, the earth gradually loses its power in the course of time. it loses it very slowly, therefore we do not notice it. nor must you forget that modern man seems unconcerned about the loss of silica. he thinks it insignificant for the growth of plants. in reality, it is of the greatest significance. we need the silica to attract and draw in the cosmic forces. now in the plant there must arise a clear interaction between the silica and the potassium, not the calcium. by the whole way in which we fertilize the soil, we must eliven it, so that the soil itself will aid in this relationship."


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posted December 20, 2006 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
What is Biodynamics?
Sherry Wildfeuer

What is Biodynamic agriculture? In seeking an answer let us pose the further question: Can the Earth heal itself, or has the waning of the Earths vitality gone too far for this? No matter where our land is located, if we are observant we will see sure signs of illness in trees, in our cultivated plants, in the water, even in the weather. Organic agriculture rightly wants to halt the devastation caused by humans; however, organic agriculture has no cure for the ailing Earth. From this the following question arises: What was the original source of vitality, and is it available now?

Biodynamics is a science of life-forces, a recognition of the basic principles at work in nature, and an approach to agriculture which takes these principles into account to bring about balance and healing. In a very real way, then, Biodynamics is an ongoing path of knowledge rather than an assemblage of methods and techniques.

Biodynamics is part of the work of Rudolf Steiner, known as anthroposophy - a new approach to science which integrates precise observation of natural phenomena, clear thinking, and knowledge of the spirit. It offers an account of the spiritual history of the Earth as a living being, and describes the evolution of the constitution of humanity and the kingdoms of nature. Some of the basic principles of Biodynamics are:

Broaden Our Perspective
Just as we need to look at the magnetic field of the whole earth to comprehend the compass, to understand plant life we must expand our view to include all that affects plant growth. No narrow microscopic view will suffice. Plants are utterly open to and formed by influences from the depths of the earth to the heights of the heavens. Therefore our considerations in agriculture must range more broadly than is generally assumed to be relevant...

Cosmic Rhythms
The light of the sun, moon, planets and stars reaches the plants in regular rhythms. Each contributes to the life, growth and form of the plant. By understanding the gesture and effect of each rhythm, we can time our ground preparation, sowing, cultivating and harvesting to the advantage of the crops we are raising. The Stella Natura calendar which is featured in this catalog offers an introduction to this new study.

Plant Life Is Intimately Bound Up with the Life of the Soil
Biodynamics recognizes that soil itself can be alive, and this vitality supports and affects the quality and health of the plants that grow in it. Therefore, one of Biodynamics fundamental efforts is to build up stable humus in our soil through composting.

A New View of Nutrition
We gain our physical strength from the process of breaking down the food we eat. The more vital our food, the more it stimulates our own activity. Thus, Biodynamic farmers and gardeners aim for quality, and not only quantity.

Chemical agriculture has developed short-cuts to quantity by adding soluble minerals to the soil. The plants take these up via water, thus by-passing their natural ability to seek from the soil what is needed for health, vitality and growth. The result is a deadened soil and artificially stimulated growth.

Biodynamics grows food with a strong connection to a healthy, living soil.

http://www.biodynamics.com/biodynamics.html

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posted December 22, 2006 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
I'd really like an answer to this one: Ascorbic acid simply means acid against scurvy. So would any acid work? I think the early seafarers used pickles against scurvy

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posted December 22, 2006 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
The Dreaded "Scurvy Infection".

The sailor's legs were so swollen that the man could not walk. His captain, hoping to stop the spread of the dreaded "scurvy infection," put the man ashore on a desolate Atlantic island. The poor wretch was bound to die, the captain felt, but perhaps the rest of the crew could thus be saved.

The deserted man chewed on fresh grass that he found in tufts here and there on the island. To his amazement, in a few days he could walk a little! His strength soon returned and eventually he managed to get picked up by a passing ship and he returned to his London home. Imagine, the shock of his former shipmates when they first saw him, — it was as if he had been resurrected !!!

The story of the sailor who "ate grass, like a beast and lived" was of great interest to a Scottish surgeon Dr. James Lind. Having been with the British fleet, he was aware of the thousands of seamen who died yearly with scurvy. Lind's question was, Did the grass contain something that the man's normal diet did not? Was there a connection between scurvy and diet? Deciding to experiment, Lind became responsible for an important chapter in the story of "how they found your vitamins."

Not that Dr. Lind was looking for a vitamin. The word was unheard of before 1911. The discovery of most vitamins was really accidental in that the researchers were attacking specific diseases, not studying foods or nutrition.

Further, this story has no one hero, but involves the efforts of men from many countries. These pioneers frequently did not benefit from one another's discoveries, as they lacked the benefits of modern communications. Yet, sometimes, despite the scorn of contemporary doctors and scientists, the efforts of these men constitute a story of courage, perseverance and eventual success.

The Vitamin C Story

"On 20th May, 1747, I took twelve patients in the scurvy ... Their cases were as similar as I could have them," begins Dr. Lind's report. His conclusions showed "that the most sudden, and visible good effects were perceived from the use of the oranges and lemons; of those who had taken them being at the end of the six days fit for duty."

Did the medical world of his day rejoice? No. Rather, the idea that diet causes scurvy was scorned and repudiated. Did not the crews of some ships drink lemon juice and still have scurvy? Unfortunately, this was true, but they had boiled the lemon juice, destroying what we now know as vitamin C.

Finally, some forty–seven years later, the British Admiralty allowed Lind to repeat his experiment. A whole fleet of ships was supplied with enough raw lemon juice for a twenty–three–week voyage. The results were so spectacular that a year later, in 1795, lemon juice ( later replaced by lime juice ) was made part of the regulation diet of British seamen. Scurvy was no longer "master of the waves," and even today British sailors are nicknamed "limeys"!

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/howfindv.htm

citric acid?

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posted December 22, 2006 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
So it has to be ascorbic acid? Thanks naiad

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posted December 22, 2006 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
they aren't the same are they?

what about pantothenic acid?

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posted December 22, 2006 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
you could just eat grass (or juice it). its vitamin c content is way higher than citrus.

so it's acid or grass.

pick yer poison (or medicine rather).

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posted December 22, 2006 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
Very good!

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posted December 22, 2006 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naiad     Edit/Delete Message
i've always considered wheatgrass a supreme healing agent. the essenes were wheatgrass proponents as well.

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During the early 1900's a man named Edmund Bordeaux Szekely discovered an ancient biblical manuscript which he subsequently translated. It was a remarkable discovery and Szekely was so enthralled with the translation that he formed a society he called the Biogenic Society to promulgate the teaching of this new (old) way of eating. He began publishing the manuscripts in the form of little books, which he sold very inexpensively because he felt that the world needed the message. He called the books The Essene Gospel of Peace. The Essenes were a very righteous people who lived near the Dead Sea during the time of Jesus Christ. Christ actually taught them the laws of health during that time. The main teaching of Essene Book I is: Don't kill your food by cooking it. The main teaching of Essene Book IV is : all grasses are good for man and wheatgrass is the perfect food for man. These little books can be purchased at any health food store.

In the 1940's a man by the name of Charles Kettering (former Chairman of the Board of General Motors) donated money for the study of chlorophyll. Chlorophyll was studied intensively by medical doctors using FDA required standards i.e. double blind studies, etc. (There are currently over 40 articles written up in medical journals about the healing effects of chlorophyll.) These medical doctors found that chlorophyll was a great healer and used it as such for quite some time. The next question is…why aren't they still using it? Answer: I am sure if drug companies knew that if the average individual knew that the chlorophyll from their backyard grass would heal them, then they probably wouldn't be using high powered—high priced drugs! …and then, who could make money?

Sometime during the 1940's a lady by the name of Ann Wigmore healed herself of cancer from the weeds she found in vacant lots in Boston. (See Why Suffer by Ann Wigmore.) She began a study of natural healing modalities—and with the help of a friend, Dr. Earp Thomas, she found that there are 4700 varieties of grass in the world and all are good for man. With the help of her pets, she arrived at the conclusion that wheatgrass was the best-—or the medicinal grass. She started an institute in Boston (Ann Wigmore Institute) and since then has taught people from all over the world about the grasses and the living food healing program—and helped them get well from some very serious diseases. She has written over 35 books telling about wheatgrass and living foods.

http://www.wheatgrasskits.com/issue1.htm


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Proponents of wheatgrass use claim that regular ingestion of the plant can improve the digestive system, prevent cancer, diabetes and heart disease, cure constipation, detoxify heavy metals from the bloodstream, cleanse the liver, prevent hair loss and help to make menopause more manageable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatgrass



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posted December 24, 2006 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
But pantothenic acid IS an anti-oxidant

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posted March 11, 2007 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
How do people like the Inuit get Vit C? Living on a diet of meat?

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