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hippichick
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posted October 07, 2009 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
just wanted to let you all know, my personal observations..

from a very "dirty" side of town, from a very multi-cultural city.

i, in the icu, cared for, for 3 days a "swine flu" patient. she is 30 years old, she was 37 weeks pregnant, she came into the hospital with the usual flu-like symptoms...took the babe c-section.

and now she is horribly sick and not necessarially on the mend. on life support.

pregnancy is a HUGE risk factor for any flu, not to mention h1n1, as is general personal health.

another fellow, also positive for h1n1, fighting for his life on life support, had "bad lungs." asthma, copd, etc..he is 40 and a member of the population i serve (as well as the mamma), little participation in his own healthcare.

two others in my hospital positive for h1n1...both young culturally-appropriate for my geographical place of employment, both females, both pregnant.

an infectious disease doc told me just the other day, that those born before 1968 have some immunity to h1n1...i researched (as this doc talks alot and is sure we all will blow up come 2012....) and his theory regarding h1n1 immunity has some truth to it.

seems, given the outbreaks of the re-lated h1n1 in previous times, some of us do really have some immunity to this bug.

probably why "middle-aged" folks are not necesarially dying from complications of h1n1.

still, i preach, PERSONAL HYGIENE!!!

just an update to my friends here~!

blessings

t~~~

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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2009 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
my sister is a nurse and has not seen any of this. of course she is a psych nurse so "normal" sick people don't come to her, but psych patients are presumably not immune to H1N1.

she was asked, last year, to sign a paper that said she had or had not taken a flu jab - which she has never done - and refused. it is illegal for them to monkey around with your health-management EVEN if you are a health worker. they are not even allowed to fish (as with this paper) as to whether you are immunized or not.

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hippichick
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posted October 07, 2009 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
kat,

acually i expect to see this, eventually, in psych patients.

same principal, lack of healthcare.

i believe, from what i have seen, and may very well be drowned, tarred and feathered for this statement...

alot of one's physical openness to h1n1 or any other bugs has ALOT to do with genetics! a particular gene pool may not be, necessarially, capable of dealing with super bugs! so...if one is "genetically compromised" one should probably take extra care!!!

i am currently researching the Hapsburg's of 15th century europe...charles II was jacked from the get go from inbreeding...

this is my (personal) theory as to what is going on with super bugs in my neck of the woods, anyway.

my observations....of a very experienced icu nurse working on the south side of san antonio, tx

blessings

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katatonic
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posted October 07, 2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i have heard that too about older people being immune due largely to previous exposure.

the person i worry about is my grandson. he cannot have the vaccine - his immune system has already been compromised by vaccines - and we are not yet sure if he is back to "normal" with this ITP he has had to deal with. he has been in the healthy range for months now but only time will tell if it is permanent....

however he seems hardly EVER to get sick, apparently his immune system is super efficient, in fact sometimes too much so!

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posted October 21, 2009 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=110%3Acharges-filed-with-the-1st-part-translated-into-english&catid=37%3Acriminal-charges&Itemid=81&lang=en

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posted October 21, 2009 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Project Camelot Interviews Jane Burgermeister:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PelTWCUmTsU

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hippichick
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posted October 22, 2009 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
kat, just keep the boy away from, as much as possible, public.

i started taking "airborn" today and will supplement with eccinicea/

ltt, my paranoid mind thought perhaps the h1n1 was a form of biological terrorism, but never would i have entertained the vaccine could be! will finish the vid later(battery dying on my laptop.)

i attended a meeting today at work about a new-fangled bed we are going to use on our horribly sick patients on ventilators.

i learned h1n1 is attacking (in so texas anyway) people less than 25, obese, immunocomprimised people and especially pregnant ladies, which i have seen personally.

i also learned that h1n1 replicates deep within the lungs, one reason the secondary pneumonias are so life-threaning, and even more shocking the reason only 50% of nasal swabs are accurate!

i dunno.....suppose a wake up call for all for many, many issues of our ever-evloving humanity to be addressed.

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pire
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posted October 25, 2009 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
i heard the results of a poll today on a french radio:
84% of french aren't scared of h1n1
83% won't ask to be vaccinated

vaccination is not compulsory in france.
a couple of months ago, everyone thought it was the end of the world. the french media, and politicians were very scary. france has ordered 90 millions doses of tamiflu (french pop. is around 60 millions)

there are still some news coverage about it but MUCH MUCH less.

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koiflower
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posted October 26, 2009 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I saw 'from the trenches' and came back for another read. I've noted that many flus coincide with 20th Century wars.....
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum26/HTML/000228.html

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katatonic
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posted October 26, 2009 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
back in '84 i believe my daughter and i had this flu, or something very similar. we caught hers before the pneumonia side of it got very developed, but i was nursing her and pregnant at the time and i ended up in hospital on a drip for a week. the doctors couldn't figure out what the h@ll was making me so sick, or where i got this particular FORM of pneumonia from.

the fact that they are estimating numbers without proper testing/identification just makes me think this is bogus as all get out.
not that people aren't getting sick, but most of the deaths are due to other things and the flu is coincidental with those. whether people are dying of the flu or their own health problems is debatable for sure.

did you see the clip LTT posted yesterday? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7lOk2H8eo

gotta love it!

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katatonic
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posted October 26, 2009 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
just heard one of my greatnieces (age 7) has swine flu...tested positive and all (her mom is a nurse).

she is furious because her school is making her stay home for a week and she has almost NO symptoms and those she has are very mild!

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hippichick
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posted October 28, 2009 12:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
geez........peets........

thank you all for the replies!!!

going to have to get back to this, soon...just finished a harried 3 days in the trenches and starting school (for my advanced degree in nursing) next week...

however!!!

we lost a 30 yr old to H1N1, (post partum) more to come...

HOWEVER again...i have come to know....

this is no bug to mess with...

be safe and be well...

tis just a flu, afterall..........

tho..those that could be, may be....

healing and blessings...

t~~~

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Spanky Butler
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posted October 28, 2009 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
This seems like the most appropriate place to share with you an email that I received today re h1n1. I'm not pro or con but am definitely skeptical.


The Swine Flu Conspiracy:
A Plan to Commit Mass Murder

The Underground Health Reporter(TM)

"A chilling tale of conspiracy to commit mass murder by those who are responsible for protecting human lives.
The Swine Flu Conspiracy: A Plan to Commit Mass Murder
-- coming to a town near you."


T he above reads like a suspenseful trailer for a blockbuster Hollywood movie like "The Manchurian Candidate" or "Enemy of the State."

But it's not a movie at all.

It's a TRUE STORY that's happening right now.

Swine Flu Virus Conspiracy: A Plan to Commit Mass Murder The World Health Organization, which has been predicting a massive swine flu pandemic that will infect one-third of the entire world's population, has every reason to be 100% certain of its prediction. It's because...

...the swine flu virus is about to be deliberately unleashed upon the unsuspecting public.

If you find this hard to believe, here's proof:

A medical journalist named Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning their attempts to commit mass murder via the swine flu. [Source: NaturalNews]

This comes in the wake of charges filed last April against US-based pharmaceutical company, Baxter AG, and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology. Baxter was recently connected to the disturbing scandal involving
flu vaccines. Several sources, including the Times of India, reported that last December, Baxter inserted deadly live avian flu viruses into vaccines that were distributed to 18 countries around the world to
be injected into patients as "flu shots" -- allegedly as a deliberate act to trigger a pandemic and profit from the sale of vaccines.

However, a batch of the tainted vaccines was first tested on ferrets in the Czech Republic before being shipped out for injection into humans. Every one of the ferrets died -- and the SHOCKING discovery was made.

Swine Flu Pandemic News Headline Since the contamination of the vaccination couldn't be blamed on an "honest mistake," newspapers immediately questioned whether the events were part of a conspiracy to deliberately provoke a pandemic, following up on accusations already made by health officials in other countries.

Jane Burgermeister contends that the WHO, the UN and high-ranking corporate government officials conspired with each other (and others) in a covert international program involving the pharmaceutical companies Baxter and Novartis.

The conspiracy entailed the bioengineering and then releasing of lethal biological agents -- specifically the "bird flu" virus and the "swine flu virus" in order to accelerate the pandemic by making the virus ever more virulent(with the addition of the Avian flu). This would then make an otherwise mild swine flu outbreak disastrous enough tojustifyforced mass vaccinations.

Such a forced mass vaccination program would rake in billions of dollars in vaccine revenues -- while the hoards of people who are vaccinated run the risk of suffering serious injury or even death in massive numbers!

Can you REALLY be forced to take the swine flu vaccine?

Most people have never heard of the international health regulations and the national pandemic plans that ALLOW mandatory flu vaccinations. Most people think that no one can be FORCED to take the swine flu vaccine. Wrong!

Forced Swine Flu Vaccine Did you know ... that in the event of a Pandemic Level 6 emergency declaration, you would be required to follow the orders of the World Health Organization? In such an emergency, the WHO has the authority to force anyone (and that includes you) to be vaccinated and also to be quarantined.

Under such circumstances, it would be a CRIMINAL OFFENSE if you refuse to be vaccinated.

So what's the worst thing that could happen if you were to be vaccinated?

For starters, if the vaccine you receive happens to be laced with live avian flu viruses, which Baxter has demonstrated itself capable of doing without being penalized-- the vaccine would be virulent enough to kill you.

This is the basis for Burgermeister's charges against the WHO and UN for conspiracy to commit mass murder.

Furthermore, if the swine flu vaccine doesn't kill you, you may have an increased CANCER RISK.

According to German lung specialist Wolfgang Wodarg (who is also the chairman of the health committee in the German parliament and European Council), the swine flu vaccine's nutrient solution contains CANCEROUS cells from animals. It therefore stands to reason that injection of the vaccine might also cause cancer in humans.

The swine flu vaccine containsshockingly higher concentrations of squalene than was used in the anthrax vaccines, which caused hundreds of thousands of troops to suffer the catastrophic effects of Gulf War Syndrome.

Furthermore, the swine flu vaccine, which is being rushed to market without the appropriate testing and evaluation, may cause a repeat of the swine flu vaccine catastrophe of 1976, in which people died or developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome or paralysis as a result of the experimental vaccine.


In the event that forced vaccinations are implemented, what can YOU do?

You can just say "No!"

Would it make you a criminal offender -- and possibly land you in jail -- if you refused the vaccine?

If large numbers of people refuse the vaccination, the government would NOT have the resources to enforce a mandatory vaccination -- nor have the capacity to imprison hundreds of thousands (or millions) of people.

That's why it's necessary to urge as many people as possible to refuse the swine flu vaccine.

Should you refuse the vaccine, you definitely WON'T be alone. According to research reported in the August 25 issue of the British Medical Journal...

... more than 50% of doctors and nurses in public hospitals would refuse the swine flu vaccine because they're concerned about its side effects, and have doubts about its efficacy.

And according to a Fox News poll conducted in August, the MAJORITY of Americans now believe that the swine flu vaccine may be DEADLIER than the swine flu virus itself.

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katatonic
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in america these people are working the same path. they have petitions you can sign to add momentum to the "push back" against health regulations that harm the public AND the SWINE FLU VACCINE/ epidemic...
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org

meanwhile it is still illegal in the US to FORCE anyone to take a vaccine. the "state of emergency" can be used to negate this but if enough people stand on their rights - the right to decide what happens to your body or your babies' bodies - they will literally have to cart us all off to do the dirty work...

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katatonic
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posted October 28, 2009 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KFXAXdCiYw

a timely reminder folks...

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posted October 28, 2009 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you kat!

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posted October 28, 2009 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
i've watched the fear growing in france, and i want to remain cautious so i won't say that it's over, but i think the poll i gave above shows how french people are reacting to it. let's hope the word of mouth grows bigger, and the people see how our leader deals with economic issues for example. my mum who is soooooo not into conspiracy theory, she's the typical french, interested in her life, well, she said she would refuse the vaccine. not because of fear but because it's so not right the way they go about it.

we should get on with our life. no big deal.

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katatonic
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posted October 28, 2009 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
well these stories are now getting out into the "official", radio news.

but one thing that keeps poking at me is - if they wanted to make us all sick and die, there are so many easier ways to do it. how many "tamperings" with existing meds and foods have surfaced in the last few decades??

why bother with all this conspiracy stuff...just to scare people?

because, of course, fear is the one thing that will do you in...not the flu.

i highly recommend the "love police" video LTT posted a few days ago...one of the english pushbacks. despite their rep as reserved the english are born street performers!!

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hippichick
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posted October 28, 2009 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
hey kat

i agree with you

while my scorp asc lends me to parnoia, i just can not grasp it, clinically.

i am pretty sure that if the cdc were to keep track on deaths of the seasonal flu, the numbers would be alike.

all is yet to be seen!

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shura
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posted October 29, 2009 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
thank you for this thread, hippiechick

The CDC website is a most interesting place to visit. Ironically, the more I read there the less inclined I am to fall for the PR bullshiit. Odd.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

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katatonic
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posted October 29, 2009 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i would wager a lot of money that there have been more deaths from crossing the road since this swine flu huzzah started than from all flus combined....

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shura
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posted October 30, 2009 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/lcod.htm

Honestly, it was the countless hours spent on the CDC's website that finally convinced my fence sitting arse to refuse vacs for my son. Once I really looked at the numbers, once I looked at the diseases itself, I didn't feel the need. Measles and whooping cough and such just plain don't scare me, yk? I respect them. I don't dismiss them. But I'm not nearly concerned enough to even consider a vac. MRSA scares me. But the powers that be don't like to talk about that much.

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katatonic
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posted October 30, 2009 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
what is MRSA, shura? never came across that one...!

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hippichick
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posted October 30, 2009 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
I will butt in here,,

(whilst preparing for my Samhain party,,,)

MRSA is a super bug, a strain of staph aureus that is resistant to the one of the big gun antibiotics it once was sensitive to.

The hospital acquired strain of MRSA is a different animal than the one that harbours in the public.

It'll kill ya if your are already immunosupressed, but if you are healthy simple 3rd generation antibiotics will kill it.

People in the hospital get it cause they are sick anyway.

My daughter got it in a wound on her hand a few yers back, and despite her heart conditon, she did well, with clyndamycin, orally and topically on the wound.

Kat, I really agee with you and the statistical view of this bug.

I said the other day, that if someone were to keep up with death from the seasonal flu, H1N1 would have a run for it's money!

It is no bug to be messed with, but neither is the seasonal flu, nor MRSA,, nor strep, etc!

We all need to realize we have over-populated our earth and these super bugs are just one of the ramifications of such.

Intelligent, well informed individuals can keep healthy!!

Again I preach PERSONAL HYGIENE!!!!

Us nurses are so much more at risk for ugly bugs, but with our knowledge and a little bit of gentile exposure, we tend not to get sick.

blessings to all!!!

t~~~

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hippichick
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posted October 30, 2009 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
BTW

Swine flu is just another example of the hold that media has on us, collectively.

One reason I started this thread.

Think for yourself, question authority!!!

(Leary )

t

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