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posted January 21, 2014 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Catalina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you see is what you get sweetie. Literally. Not the other way around.

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posted January 21, 2014 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never looked at Philomena. What is her story, Florence?

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posted January 21, 2014 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I never looked at Philomena. What is her story, Florence?


it's under the ophelia thread in asteroids, i think.

she was raped by tereus, husband of her sister who then cut out her tongue so she could't tell anyone. she wove a tapestry in order to tell her sister who came, or the mother and they killed tereus' son, serving him for dinner without telling tereus until after. when he tried to catch them someone turned philomela into a nightingale.

in all my sedna thematic experiences every one has had an element, imposed or self-imposed to a degree where i felt i couldn't talk about it.

funny thing is i'm wanting to do some kind of weaving, sewing textiles things at the moment - strange how neat aspects of these asteroids fit for me. just wish they werent so depressing sometimes.

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posted January 21, 2014 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know, Florence. The Asteroids are super powerful when you find your few Theme ones. Every seems to have a few that are key.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Bea asked me this question. It is a good one. I will try to talk from my experience, rather than list the usual list that goes in these kind of articles.

1. You feel like you have found your soul mate. This man appears to be the man of your dreams. You are walking on air. You never have been so happy.

2. You feel as if he knows you better than anyone in your life. You feel like he knows you deep inside.

3. You feel more understood than you ever have in your life.

4. You feel you found Mr Right times a million

5. He starts doing little things to take away your dignity. These start small.

6. When you call him on it, he acts as if he did not do anything and you are imagining it.

7. You think you ARE imagining it. This is the first step in Gaslighting which is a taking away of the reality of the other person.

8. He may go back to the charming lover you knew initially. You will feel like it will be alright.

9. He will escalate the Gaslighting behaviors.

10. You will probably blame yourself.

11. He will start to undermine you more. He will use your weaknesses to get you to doubt yourself and to lower your self esteem.

12. The above may go on for a short or long period but the person’s self esteem will suffer a great deal.

13. He may start to cheat and blame you.

14. You may start to think that he cheated because you were inferior in looks, weight etc

15. He will continue on escalating abusive behavior until you leave. The time frame on this varies from days to years to a lifetime.


Pretty standard list, frankly. Most of what can be found, in many ways, verbatim in the following titles:

'Psychopath Free' by Peace
(Great for those newly 'hit' and looking to heal)

'Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath' by Thomas Sheridan

'The Psychopath Exposed: Understanding and Dealing With An Emotional Predator' by Jonas Warstad

All are extremely useful, depending upon your stage of research. Some speak easily and gently to the victim, and many (which aren't listed) are more appropriate for the researcher.

'The Betrayal Bond' by Patrick J Carnes, while not focussing upon psychopathy, is an excellent resource for dealing with any sort of exploitative, abusive relationship.

I also urge anyone who's delving into psychopathy to be sure to branch into the newest research set forth by Dr James Fallon. 'The Psychopath Inside' is wonderful. So is most of the academic work being done by Robert Schug.

Also, 'sociopath' is an outdated 'slang' term which never saw clinical usage and is slowly being phased out.

The psychopathic spectrum doesn't even guarantee such horrors as those in the above post. Rather, like anything, it's up to free will, upbringing, and other environmental factors.

We call the above 'emotional predators'. You should, too, if you wish to be accurate, politically correct, and non-discriminating. Never hurts.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know it is a standard list. If you know me, you know that the last thing I want to be is politically correct

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posted January 26, 2014 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I know it is a standard list. If you know me, you know that the last thing I want to be is politically correct

Well, you could be a bit less offensive. Say, calling emotional predators 'psychopaths' when it's obvious you're little informed on the subject. That's not a criticism, merely an observation. Keep absorbing before you go informing. There's a cycle - a process - there. My best advice is to not put the cart before the horse.

If you wish to inform about emotional predation (and it's a good and noble goal to do so!) please take the necessary time to learn first. Spreading misinformation is just as bad as refraining from spreading good information. You've got some good resources right there; I'll gladly give you a few more, though they're scholarly.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, you could be a bit less offensive. Say, calling emotional predators 'psychopaths' (rather, 'sociopaths' which isn't even clinical) when it's obvious you're little informed on the subject. That's not a criticism, merely an observation. Keep absorbing before you go informing. There's a cycle - a process - there. My best advice is to not put the cart before the horse.

If you wish to inform about emotional predation (and it's a good and noble goal to do so!) please take the necessary time to learn first. Spreading misinformation is just as bad as refraining from spreading good information. You've got some good resources right there; I'll gladly give you a few more, though they're scholarly.


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posted January 27, 2014 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IndigoDirae it honestly sounds like you are only here to say how special psychopaths are, worthy of special investigation. but, that really isn't of much use to someone who wants to identify the behaviours - less the psyche. and this isn't a bad list to pick out some things - which of course become blurry and do need crude delineation sometimes.

& if it is unfair towards those psychopaths who aren't predatory .. i'm sure they can handle themselves and it also requires people who are psychopathic or with those who are to relinquish, rather than revel in, the kind of darkness associated with them too.

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posted January 27, 2014 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ID

I have a certain of being very direct because I respect that in others. I like to call things in a simple way, not an esoteric way, if the subject can be simplified.

I value that trait in others such as a Judge Judy, as an example of a direct speaking person.

I am a diplomatic person with a Libra ASC but I am direct in my approach.

I am not the right Astrologer for everyone, nor someone that everyone likes.

So, if someone does not like my approach, they can skip over my posts.

I like my approach and am not going to change it because it is not to some people's liking.

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posted January 27, 2014 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not only a standard list

But, a simple internet search would reward the seeker with professional insights.

quote:
Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Pretty standard list, frankly. Most of what can be found, in many ways, verbatim in the following titles:

'Psychopath Free' by Peace
(Great for those newly 'hit' and looking to heal)

'Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath' by Thomas Sheridan

'The Psychopath Exposed: Understanding and Dealing With An Emotional Predator' by Jonas Warstad

All are extremely useful, depending upon your stage of research. Some speak easily and gently to the victim, and many (which aren't listed) are more appropriate for the researcher.


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posted January 27, 2014 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put it up, Node-y. Lets see what else we can add!

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posted January 27, 2014 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Pretty standard list, frankly. Most of what can be found, in many ways, verbatim in the following titles:

'Psychopath Free' by Peace
(Great for those newly 'hit' and looking to heal)

'Puzzling People: The Labyrinth of the Psychopath' by Thomas Sheridan

'The Psychopath Exposed: Understanding and Dealing With An Emotional Predator' by Jonas Warstad

All are extremely useful, depending upon your stage of research. Some speak easily and gently to the victim, and many (which aren't listed) are more appropriate for the researcher.

'The Betrayal Bond' by Patrick J Carnes, while not focussing upon psychopathy, is an excellent resource for dealing with any sort of exploitative, abusive relationship.

I also urge anyone who's delving into psychopathy to be sure to branch into the newest research set forth by Dr James Fallon. 'The Psychopath Inside' is wonderful. So is most of the academic work being done by Robert Schug.

Also, 'sociopath' is an outdated 'slang' term which never saw clinical usage and is slowly being phased out.

The psychopathic spectrum doesn't even guarantee such horrors as those in the above post. Rather, like anything, it's up to free will, upbringing, and other environmental factors.

We call the above 'emotional predators'......


Hi IndigoDirae,

This was a very helpful post. I'd like to read more in-depth and well reasoned reading material on abusive/predatory relationships and will check out "The Betrayal Bond". I find that many of the articles on the web, for example, tend to denigrate relationships through over-simplification - where every behaviour must necessarily be an expression of their simplifications. So I could be a co-dependent, narcissist or pigeon-holed by another pejorative term along with a good section of humanity in a manner that fails to take account of my beliefs, culture, aspirations, politics, intelligence (or lack of), or my morals. In my view, what these psychologists do, first and foremost, is prey on people's vulnerabilities into accepting their views.

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Yes, to playing on the vulnerabilities. A sociopath cannot really hurt you( unless he shoots you or gets physical)unless you have a vulnerable ego to which YOU are not aware i.e you are lying to yourself imo

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posted January 27, 2014 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was on a sociopath board for over a year. There was no moderation. it was totally, totally wild.

I mean, when I say wild, the fur was flying.

Yet, there was a primal beauty. There were unwritten rules that one had to follow to be respected on there and one could do it.

They tell it like it is. There are NO rules. There was not the usual social garbage that people follow. It was all pretty raw. I guess you could say that it was very Pluto like.

They talked about Fallon a lot. There was a clip of him and his work.

No empathy is a very different situation that we can imagine, if we have empathy.

They are different kinds of creatures among us, in a way, but God can heal them as He can heal anyone.

No one is hopeless imo

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posted January 27, 2014 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Back to the subject. If anyone wants to discuss it, it would be interesting.

I really don't have ego that I have to say the best thing or the right thing.

I see one of my gifts as that of getting discussions going.

I like to do that. There is no way I could know all the answers to what I write about or even most of them.

I put most things out there and eagerly await comments.

Comments are like little gifts to me. I get excited to open them, so please anyone add to this.

We don't have to see eye to eye on all things. It is cool if we don't!

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posted February 04, 2014 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi again Ami

I think I had to read this 7 months ago... I got shocked when I saw every line of this article... wow... Better next time to carry a copy of this article with me

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posted February 04, 2014 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi again Ami

I think I had to read this 7 months ago... I got shocked when I saw every line of this article... wow... Better next time to carry a copy of this article with me


I learned the hard way, too

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Yes, if one had childhood abuse, one will repeat it. People will say you can stop it. I don't think you can w/out a miracle from God and these do happen, but are rare.


I am disturbed by this comment...

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posted February 05, 2014 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Morph dear

What I say is my personal opinion and experience. It is not absolute. Others may differ and do. However, one is allowed to have one's own opinion and it is from that vantage point that I speak.

I do have a masters degree in counseling, as well, but that does not make me the end all and be all, either, but does offer me something.

However, many people with many higher degrees than I have differ.

If it troubles you, find someone with whom you can resonate more

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I am disturbed by this comment...

I am as well so I understand.

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I am not the right Astrologer or Counselor for everyone. I wish blessings for all of those people who need guidance and hope that they find it.

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Ami, again you helped me in the healing process... once I heard about the sociopaths, I googled the term, and I found out my ex is one.... and I thank God for sent me you to open for once my eyes... LOL

Once again, thanks for your articles...

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Ami, again you helped me in the healing process... once I heard about the sociopaths, I googled the term, and I found out my ex is one.... and I thank God for sent me you to open for once my eyes... LOL

Once again, thanks for your articles...


Thank you, Dani dear. YOU are a true angel

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posted February 06, 2014 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is very weird but throughout my life, if anyone tried to hurt me, I would always have angels who protected me

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