posted August 19, 2011 06:13 AM            

I am just trying to learn about astrology, what it can, what it can't do, what it can and can't be used for. I have seen people make date predictions, I was just wondering if this was one of them.

I've read many of the threads and forums, and haven't come across one addressing this, but I have by no means read them all, so I will look again after work. It would help if I could get the search function to work!

posted August 19, 2011 09:57 AM            

Here it is:

www.linda-goodman.com

posted August 19, 2011 11:17 AM            

the power of the mind is a force not to be reckoned with, so i usually stay away from strings like this

its often talked about in books by enlightened people including linda goodman

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted August 19, 2011 12:13 PM            

@ Voix This is just for your study purposes.
And one more thing, there are a couple of factors that can transcend a chart like love, grace etc. So..........

www.linda-goodman.com

posted August 19, 2011 12:22 PM            

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted August 19, 2011 03:39 PM            

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted August 19, 2011 04:09 PM            

I understand the power of the mind, and for that reason would never make a death date suggestion to anyone, through cards, astrology, or anything else. I myself would consider that unethical, and downright dangerous. I was interested to know just if it was possible though. You can bet your bottom dollar someone out there will be doing it if it is possible, and that's something I'd kinda like to be aware of.

Abcd, I appreciate the links, thank you.

Juniper, I agree, the power of suggestion renders this practice a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Randall, thank you for your response. I have a question regarding it though: what is the difference between predicting a birth and predicting a death? Could the power of suggestion perhaps be used here in a positive way, e.g. someone who longs for a child, you tell them they will have a child on said date, they believe it, and get pregnant. But then, wouldn't that be a lie also? How would you ever know if astrology truly predicted the birth, or if the power of suggestion altered their path?

I'm sorry, so often when I get an answer to a question it just leads to another question, this is the burden of interest!

posted August 19, 2011 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Thanks everyone for your responses to this. I understand that it may be a slightly uncomfortable topic to consider, for that I am sorry, but like abcd said, I think it's more accurate to learn even about the darker side of things.

I understand the power of the mind, and for that reason would never make a death date suggestion to anyone, through cards, astrology, or anything else. I myself would consider that unethical, and downright dangerous. I was interested to know just if it was possible though. You can bet your bottom dollar someone out there will be doing it if it is possible, and that's something I'd kinda like to be aware of.

Abcd, I appreciate the links, thank you.

Juniper, I agree, the power of suggestion renders this practice a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Randall, thank you for your response. I have a question regarding it though: what is the difference between predicting a birth and predicting a death? Could the power of suggestion perhaps be used here in a positive way, e.g. someone who longs for a child, you tell them they will have a child on said date, they believe it, and get pregnant. But then, wouldn't that be a lie also? How would you ever know if astrology truly predicted the birth, or if the power of suggestion altered their path?

I'm sorry, so often when I get an answer to a question it just leads to another question, this is the burden of interest!

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i believe it was me, and not juni, that said those things, LOL

and to answer your question about the "birth verses death date" stuff, the birth of a life isnt as horrible as the death of a life

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted August 19, 2011 04:53 PM            

I understand that that emotional nature of a birth is happier than a death, but the question of whether it is actually a prediction, or just another example of the power of suggestion at work, and therefore, potentially unethical (or even a lie?), still remains?

posted August 19, 2011 05:07 PM            

if the baby has not yet been conceived, then i dont know....gues it depends on whether you want a baby that badly or not...sometimes if you dont want one but you worry about whether you'll get pregnant every time you have sex then your worries could definitely come to fruition and other times its just nature taking course

linda wrote in Star Signs of a couple who were well over 50 years old (i think the guy was even in his 70s) who had conceived a baby because they wanted it that badly

oh and, no hard feelings of mixing us up, i was just confused because juni didnt even respond to this thread, lol

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted August 20, 2011 03:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I suppose it may be considered unethical to do so, but I was wondering if were possible to predict the end of a life with astrology?

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What you want to find are many different factors involved combined. Not one or two, and of course you ideally want to know the person's life circumstances first to see how the chart is currently manifesting itself health wise. Accidents and murder are another thing, there are natal indicators for factors like that as well, and those are something you can research on your own, or read up on. I remember a book titled The Astrology of Death, and another that looks at suicide, etc. But it's best to do your own research.
The thing is that there are so many different ways to die and just 1 way to bring a new life, a child, into your home. So that's the difference, no matter if you adopt or natural childbirth, caesarian, test tube baby, it's still a new child. But a death, there are so many and thus so many different factors to consider. For instance Neptune rules misdiagnosis which could lead to being given the wrong medication and having that medicine trigger death by negatively activating some unknown heart problem. A death like that is v.Neptunian. Another v.Neptunian death could be drug overdose. So one planet could go in a million different directions and it is very complicated. The best is to study death after the fact to get a feel for it, and to be able to read transits, progressions, solar arcs and above all to know the correspondences for houses, signs, and planets. The best book that I know of for that, that is invaluable is The Rulership Book by Rex E. Bills. A must buy for doing any kind of advanced astro studies. If you do that often enough, look at charts that way, then you can get a feel for death in the chart. And that's probably the best you'll get at it. If you were really obsessive maybe you could knock it down to having a few dates in the bag for prediction purposes but that's all it'd be, a calculated guess. Just the same as you can look at a chart and say, "You know what, you're going to have a baby soon." That is what I heard from an astrologer I consulted in the year that I conceived, and I said there's no way, I don't think I'll ever have a child (was under the impression that I was infertile), and she was certain it would happen. I didn't believe it for a second. I didn't ask her what she was studying in my chart since I was so gobsmacked by her remark, and no she didn't pinpoint an exact day of conception or the day of my baby's birth, but looking back in retrospect I did have various chart factors going on, strong ones, that pointed to giving birth.
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I'm gonna give an example of my mom & her natal with transits and progressions for the day she died.

---She had been having migraine headaches for years (Aries rules migraines and it's on the cusp of her 8th) and her natal Mars is in a t-square with Moon opp Pluto. Pluto is the planet associated with cancer (the disease). She never missed work due to her headaches (Moon h6 is classic for workaholic) but one day just couldn't go in and she went to the doctor, they did tests and found a tumor and then found she had kidney cancer.

---t.Chiron was conj her Asc
Symbolic of starting a new journey/a big change.

---p.Mars conj the Mc
Mars over an angle is a time where one has to watch out for injury. (I had t.Mars on my Asc when I gave birth.)

---p.Sun sq t.Pluto
Another aspect of change.

---at time of death t. Jupiter (n. h4 ruler) was completing her tsquare involving Mars/Moon/Pluto and so turned it into a Grand Cross. Her main deal when alive was to never die at home since she didn't want to leave an unpleasant memory there (likely perhaps since optimistic Sagittarius is on her IC). She was transported from home to a convalescent hospital and died there even before she was fully hooked up to the monitors. So this is one way Jupiter can manifest, she got what she wanted with regard to her death. While battling cancer at home she heavily embraced a book that had been published the year before, the celestine prophecy, from wikipedia,

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The Celestine Prophecy is a 1993 novel by James Redfield that discusses various psychological and spiritual ideas which are rooted in many ancient Eastern Traditions and New Age spirituality. The main character of the novel undertakes a journey to find and understand a series of nine spiritual insights on an ancient manuscript in Peru. The book is a first-person narrative of the narrator's spiritual awakening as he goes through a transitional period of his life.

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---Grand trine involving,
t.Jupiter 9'39" Scorpio
t.Saturn 9'08" Pisces
n.North Node 9'31" Cancer / Sun 6'36" Cancer
This combines Jupiter freeing her from this plane that is a part of her journey (NN). Saturn involvement in the trine to Jupiter facilitates matters as Jupiter trine to Saturn gives a balanced approach to getting the job done, realistic expectations, etc. Saturn is also a planet heavily associated with karma. Saturn forces us to work to achieve growth, so this temporary, and v. v. tight, grand trine was the perfect time for her to make her exit.

---Solar Arc Jupiter @ 7’22” Scorp conj t.Jupiter
When we combine solar arcs, transits, and natal placements we have markers for a big trigger

---n.Jupiter trine t.Uranus/Neptune conjunction, sextile t.Pluto/NN
Showing more Jupiter activation

---t.Saturn conj the Dsc
t.Saturn on an angle brings a time of increased restriction/responsibility and sometimes lack of mobility, you just have to hunker down and get through it. There are defined structures that one is allowed to work within if one is to keep going. So this shows how she had been quickly confined by her illness.

---p.Mc conj p.Saturn
A variation on the above theme, Saturn on an angle
Also, her p.Saturn at the time was conj n.Mercury her Asc ruler

---p.Mars (h8 ruler of death) was conj n.Uranus (h6 ruler of health) the main cause of death was due to her 4 brain tumors metastasizing. She was originally diagnosed with kidney cancer but the cells traveled to her brain fairly quickly (faster than for the avg patient with her illness, of course you never know where they'll travel....I've never before looked at her chart for death so this is interesting for me too, to see what is there.) Her illness, renal cell carcinoma is also one of the worst cancers to get since it is very very stubborn to treatment. Uranus is the planet associated with the trait of being stubborn, along with the other planets representing fixed signs of course, but Uranus is willfully stubborn, delighting in throwing others off balance to maintain their own equilibrium, and her disease responded exactly as is stated. Renal cell carcinoma does not generally respond to chemotherapy or radiation.

---Another thing I caught as a sort of funny add-on. Throughout her life she had been obsessed with her appearance taking 2 hours to get ready every morning, and at the time of her illness as you can see in the chart she had p.Venus conj n.Saturn. The loss of her looks from the ravages of her treatment and meds was incredibly painful for her. This transit isn't related to death in her chart but it's related to her looks transforming in a way that she does not like. Venus is the dispositor of her Mars in Taurus (ruling h8) so you can see here her appearance changing as a result of the disease and the negative effect it had on her. She'd even get negative insulting comments from strangers on her sad appearance while ill, and as Saturn is the planet of karma I do believe it was coming back to her, since before she would always take time out to criticize how others looked in a cruel manner.

posted August 20, 2011 06:17 AM            

more fabulous information from you, and thank you for illustrating it with your mum's charts, I just regret that most of what you are showing is currently beyond my skill level. The question itself is probably beyond my understanding, this being in the realm of advanced astrology. Getting ahead of myself again. Oh, and I too have read James Redfield's books; another great book I have been trying to work my way through for a couple of years is Soulcraft, by Bill Plotkin, it may interest you if you like The Tenth Insight, Celestine Vision, yourself.

All that has been said in thsi thread will be filed away though, and I'm sure I will remember it if/when it is appropriate for what I am looking at, and it will no doubt help others on here who are ready for this level of study.