posted May 02, 2011 01:23 PM            

Here is how to do it, so do not read on if you do not want to know.

Using WHOLE SIGN house system, look at house rulers 1 and 12. 12th is death, your spirit/soul, or 'end of' something. 1st is your body, and this life.

A combination of the two can translate as end of life, death of body.

Take both in transit in relation to each other. Take the slower moving planet in transit to the faster moving natal planet. Then look at the faster moving planet in transit to the slower moving natal planet.

You need to look at the combined orb.
The most you can have for an aspect is -179 degrees, and + 179. Minus 179 degrees (1 degree off a 180 opposition) and plus 179 degrees. Calculate the slower moving transit planet to the faster moving natal planet by orb. Let's say it -92 degrees.
Then calculate the faster moving transit planet to the slower moving natal planet. Let's say +90 degrees.

Here you have one set of planets aspecting -92 and the other pair aspecting at +90.
The combined orb is: -92 - 90 = -2 combined orb.

While this is not always perfect, you can look at exact aspects (only 30 degree aspects) the planets make on the way. So, if the combined orb is not exact, you will find a close combined orb, but with an exact aspect along the way.

The third way is when a natal aspect is repeated. An example is 1st and 12th house rulers in trine natally. When you get a certain trine by both 1st and 12th rulers in transit, this natal aspect will be repeated in transit.

Yes, I'm aware of astrologers (professionals who have a book written) saying that death is house 8. Not so. Do the research yourself. I'm sure many do not want to believe this can be seen, never mind it being the 12th house. It does make sense.

House 1 is the start, so therefore house 12 must be the end.

Any questions?

posted May 02, 2011 01:26 PM            

1. Combined orb close to zero as possible.

2. Combined orb close to zero with an exact aspect from transit planet to natal planet.

posted May 02, 2011 06:22 PM            

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Transit 1st ruler URANUS, separating 20 degrees from natal 12th ruler, SATURN.

Transit 12th ruler SATURN, applying 50 degrees from natal 1st ruler, Uranus.

posted May 03, 2011 02:37 AM            

What's the difference between applying and seperating? The position "east/south/north/west" respective the natal position?

And how do you calculate the combined orb?

posted May 03, 2011 04:54 AM            

Ruler of my 1st is Venus: fast planet

Ruler of my 12th is Mercury: faster planet

Mercury is in Aries, Venus in Taurus.

Their transits are so fast that I should be dead already. I am still here.

Maybe, when by Secondary Progressions they have conjunction, I will say: Goodby!

B.

posted May 03, 2011 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Yrone:
He's talking about transitH1ruler to natalH12ruler and vice versa I think.

What's the difference between applying and seperating? The position "east/south/north/west" respective the natal position?

And how do you calculate the combined orb?

And why is the perfect point 20°?

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Yes, transit 1st and 12th rulers to the opposite natal planets (of the two)

East/west/north/south what what?

I showed you how to do the combined orb. Will show again, if you need.

The perfect point is 20 because the aspect from transit Uranus to natal Saturn is separating 20 degrees, therefore the point when the combined orb is at it's strongest is when the other aspect is mirrored.

posted May 03, 2011 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by bonadea33:
Here I understand nothing at all.

Ruler of my 1st is Venus: fast planet

Ruler of my 12th is Mercury: faster planet

Mercury is in Aries, Venus in Taurus.

Their transits are so fast that I should be dead already. I am still here.

Maybe, when by Secondary Progressions they have conjunction, I will say: Goodby!

B.

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One is faster than the other. Ask someone fresh out of astrology school to name which, I'm not the man for that. Just the complicated stuff.

I do not use use secondary progressions as they are not logical to use. Look at an example of someone with your ASC, Bonadea.

Where Venus and Mercury rule house 1 and 12, it will be harder to predict, but it can be done. No, one revolution of the planets does not mean you will be dead, it can mean that house 1 and 12 will be brought into focus in some way.

posted May 03, 2011 07:37 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I don't get it. You take her first and 12th rulers and do what exactly? Figure out how many degrees are between the two rulers? She's got 99 degrees between her Saturn and Uranus... But then what. Sorry, don't follow.

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posted May 03, 2011 07:48 AM            

The idea here is to see how close both transit aspects combined are to zero degrees. To do this you need to look at the slower moving transit planet in relation to the faster moving natal planet. Take that orb, lets say separating 120 degrees (-120.) To get the perfect point when both aspects equal zero, cancel each other out, you change the polarity to plus and leave the degree the same. The perfect point in this example would have the faster moving transit planet applying 120 degrees (+120) as the slower moving planet is -120 to the faster moving natal planet.

While the slower moving transit planet may be -120 to the faster natal planet, and, for example, the faster moving transit planet is only +100 to the slower moving natal planet, the perfect aspect to make for the faster moving planet is +120 to the slower moving planet. As the faster moving transit planet is -100, 20 degrees of this perfect point, you can say the planet is (-20) separating 20 degrees from this perfect point, when both aspects equal zero.

Always look at the slowest moving transit planet in relation to the faster moving natal planet first.

posted May 03, 2011 08:35 AM            

Thank you for explanation. Mercury is a bit faster than Venus.
You say, it is difficult to predict in my case: better for me!
I don't need prediction for my death.

You are very good, but for me is better to study people, they are already dead. People alive, I leave in a peace.

WL, Bobbie

posted May 03, 2011 09:33 AM            

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1st ruler JUPITER. 12th ruler PLUTO.

Slowest moving planet in transit, PLUTO, separating 145 (-145) to natal JUPITER.

Faster moving planet in transit, JUPITER, applying 176 (+ 176) to natal PLUTO.

The perfect position for transit JUPITER to be is applying 145 degrees, as this will cancel out the separating 145 degrees of transit PLUTO to natal JUPITER.

The faster moving planet, JUPITER, makes perfect combined orb at 145 degrees applying. Which means the overall combined orb is +31. In 31 degrees, transit JUPITER will be applying to natal PLUTO, as transit PLUTO is separating from natal Jupiter by the same degree.

House rulers 1 and 11 in transit are almost in opposition, repeating the same natal aspect.

posted May 03, 2011 09:41 AM            

Catherine the Great, Empress of Russia.

She died laughing, because her lover told some funny joke.

B.

posted May 03, 2011 09:46 AM            

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No real combined orb to look at here.

What you have to look at is two things, transit 12th ruler PLUTO (slower moving planet) in exact trine to natal 1st ruler, JUPITER.

posted May 03, 2011 10:04 AM            

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1st ruler URANUS. 12th ruler SATURN.

Transit URANUS applying 175 degrees to natal SATURN.
Transit SATURN applying 149 degrees to natal URANUS.

The perfect point at which the combined orb is zero is when transit SATURN is separating 175 degrees to natal URANUS, assuming Uranus is still at the same point, understand?

Transit SATURN is roughly 30 degrees away from this point, making an almost exact applying quincunx (150 degrees) to natal URANUS.

The combined orb is -36 degrees because this is how much SATURN is separating from the point when both orbs = zero degrees.

House 1 and 11 rulers are in opposition natally. The aspect of natal rulers 1 and 11 in transit is 30 degrees or so past oppostion.

posted May 03, 2011 10:47 AM            

Let's say, H1 and H7 (no I am not looking at H12 in my own chart ), Venus and Pluto, I first check the distance of tPluto to nVenus, it's 20° applying, the perfect point for tVenus is when she is 20° before nPluto?

posted May 03, 2011 11:07 AM            

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It does say, in simple English that you take a transit one in relation to the natal one, and the other transit one in relation to the other natal one. What out of transit, natal, 1st ruler, 12th ruler do you not understand? This is simple astrology.

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Clearly you didn't explain yourself well. And clearly I know simple astrology as well as the technical aspects of it. Not my fault you can't communicate clearly.

posted May 03, 2011 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Yrone:
Ok yeah I think I got the "perfect point" thing now.

Let's say, H1 and H7 (no I am not looking at H12 in my own chart ), Venus and Pluto, I first check the distance of tPluto to nVenus, it's 20° applying, the perfect point for tVenus is when she is 20° before nPluto?

Now, if I have currently 176° applying tVenus to nPluto, what would the combined orb be? 156°?

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20 AFTER Pluto. Before is applying.

posted May 03, 2011 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Clearly you didn't explain yourself well. And clearly I know simple astrology as well as the technical aspects of it. Not my fault you can't communicate clearly.

In any case, my 1st ruler is Mercury, 12th is Venus, so hard to predict (thankfully).

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posted May 03, 2011 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
20 AFTER Pluto. Before is applying.

-164. Perfect point is 20 separating. Transit Venus is separating 164 from that perfect 20 degree separating point.

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Pfff grmmbl, back to the drawing board for me.

posted May 09, 2011 08:29 AM            

While many natural deaths can be seen, some forced deaths will be seen, but not as well, as it is not expected. If you work at the William Tell circus where a person fires an arrow at an apple on your head every day, you have a much more frequent chance of something bad happening.

Nodar Kumaritashvili died in the winter olympics after a crash during a luge event.

See what you can spot.

posted May 09, 2011 02:23 PM            

My first answer was Gemini. On the second look, Aquarius looks the best possible answer if you look at house 1 and 12 rulers in combined aspect. Then if you look at house rulers 1 and 11 in relation to each other (FAME) you would find the aspect is quite perfect.

Is this too complicated for people to answer?

Even if you're not keen on predicting death, you can use this to enhance your aspect reading skills.