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wilsontc
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posted August 30, 2006 02:01 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fellow astro-travelers,

Awhile ago a very smart astrologer named Marc Edmund Jones identified various chart patterns which seemed to indicate certain things in a person's chart. Whenever a person had one of these chart patterns, their energy was directed in a certain way in their life. We can use these chart patterns to help us quickly identify how our energies work in our life.

These are the different chart patterns, taken from Tracy Marks' book "The Art of Chart Interpretation:"

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Bowl pattern - "All planets fall within 180 degrees (or a maximum of 190 degrees) and on one side of an opposition, and no more than 60 degrees or two houses of the occupied portion of the chart are empty...can function in a self-contained manner in the houses occupied by planets, but usually focuses upon achieving in the unoccupied area (particularly in the sign and house which opposes the midpoint of the bowl)...(the first [planet] to have crossed the ascendant, moving clockwise) indicates the energies most frequently used to fulfill his/her needs."

Bucket pattern - "...a bowl pattern with a handle...a planet or two closely conjunct planets at least 30 degrees from the planets within the bowl...channels...[their] energy through the handle of the bucket. The sign and house position of this singleton or focal planet usually indicates the kind of energy this person most frequently expresses and the area of life through which... [they] seek satisfaction."

Bundle pattern - "All planets are contained within a trine - 120 degrees, or...a maximum of 130 degrees...self-contained, focused personality who resourcefully concentrates...[their] energy upon a limited area of life, indicated by the signs and houses occupied by planets...This individual...has the capacity to develop...[their] resources to the utmost...[the first planet to have crossed the ascendant, moving clockwise] often indicates energy which may be used to achieve in the area of life indicated by the far midpoint of the bundle."

Fan pattern - "All planets but one (or two in close conjunction) are contained within the trine of a bundle pattern...[These one or two conjunct planets] is at least 60 degrees apart from the bundle area and opposes at least one of its planets...uses the handle planet...[(one or two conjunct planets)] as a source of support..."

Locomotive pattern - "All planets fall within 240 degrees (or a maximum of 250 degrees) with no more than two houses or 60 degrees empty within the occupied area, and with a trine bridging the unoccupied area...energetic, self-driving, determined individual who single-mindedly focuses upon achieving...[their] purpose, which is generally indicated by the midpoint of the empty trine...[The way to find the most important planet in the horoscope is to just point to the empty space, that empty one third of the circle. Then, move your finger COUNTERCLOCKWISE until you reach a planet. That planet is the engine. - from Bob Marks]; its sign and house position indicates the energy which fuels...[their] drive to incorporate the midpoint of the empty trine into...[their] life."

Seesaw pattern - "Planets are divided into two groups, at least 60 degrees or two empty houses apart, with no more than one empty house within each group, and with at least one opposition...concerned with relationships, aware of alternatives, fluctuating between different parts of...[themselves], and attempting to maintain balance through...[their] ability to synthesize and compromise."

Splash pattern - "Planets are scattered around the chart, usually with no more than two planets in any one house, with no more than three empty houses, and with no empty area larger than two houses or 60 degrees...The splash personality...variety of interests and abilities and a tendency to scatter...[their] energies..."

Splay pattern - "Planets are divided into three groups, with each group at least 60 degrees or two houses apart from another group...unique individual who self-assuredly follows...[their] own path..."


The next step is to get out our chart (if you don't have a chart, you can create one at Astrodienst: go to http://www.astro.com/horoscopes/ahor.asp , click on it, and follow the instructions) and see which pattern or patterns most closely resembles your chart. For example, from my chart:

Take a look at the chart and see which (if any) of these chart patterns this chart looks like. In my chart, notice that the Moon and Jupiter are 9 degrees short of a trine (120 degrees) and so this chart looks like a bundle chart. Also notice that Jupiter and Neptune are 11 degrees outside of an opposition (180 degrees) to each other and so this chart looks a bucket chart as well.

Now we study the definition of the chart pattern(s) that most closely match our chart. From my chart:
Bundle - energy is concentrate on a limited area of life (also called "tunnel vision"), and it is focused in the "Maturity" section of the chart (see Step 3 of link below for more details), indicating that I focus on doing things for myself in the outer world. The first planet to have moved across the Ascendant is Uranus (friends, also astrology) indicating (surprise, surprise, surprise! ) that I use astrology to achieve self-expression (5th house, house at the far midpoint of the bundle)

Bucket - energy is channeled through Neptune (spirituality), energy used is transformative (Scorpio) and focus in life is thinking, also writing (3rd house)

What's your chart pattern? How does this chart pattern affect your life? So follow the steps:

1 - post your chart

2 - identify which pattern(s) of the chart patterns listed most closely matches your chart

3 - write out the name of the chart pattern and a description of how the chart energies work in your chart

If you have questions about this, let me know but for the rest of you...let's see your chart patterns and your thoughts about how all this energy ties together in your life!

Learning the astro-way,

Tim

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Wednesday
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posted August 30, 2006 02:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Tim and everybody...
I have a bucket chart. The energy is focused on the Aries Moon in the 1st house. Now, I read that the isolated planet is the ruler of the chart. So is the ruler of my chart Aries Moon or Neptune since my rising is Pisces? Thanks

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wilsontc
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posted August 30, 2006 04:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wednesday,

Thanks for playing along with the game and thanks for the question! I don't look at "chart rulers"...to me the "ruler" of a chart is the chart energies that are most repeated in the overall chart.

Great guess about this being a bucket chart...and I understand why you think of this as a bucket chart, since the Moon IS all by itself...but this chart is "all bowl"!

If we take a look at the definition of a bowl chart:

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Bowl pattern - "All planets fall within 180 degrees (or a maximum of 190 degrees) and on one side of an opposition, and no more than 60 degrees or two houses of the occupied portion of the chart are empty...can function in a self-contained manner in the houses occupied by planets, but usually focuses upon achieving in the unoccupied area (particularly in the sign and house which opposes the midpoint of the bowl)...(the first [planet] to have crossed the ascendant, moving clockwise) indicates the energies most frequently used to fulfill his/her needs."

we notice that all your planets fall in or very near the top half of the chart...that is a definite indication of a bowl chart! The Nadir (inner world) in Gemini (thinking) is the focus of the bowl. See if you can find the "first planet to have crossed the Ascendant, moving clockwise" since that planet is the overall energy of the chart. And if you have any questions about all this, let me know! Congratulations...you are well on your way to learning this stuff!

Bowling 'em over,

Tim

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Wednesday
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posted August 30, 2006 05:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah! Thank you for correcting me! I have been saying that I have a bucket chart till today

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(the first [planet] to have crossed the ascendant, moving clockwise) indicates the energies most frequently used to fulfill his/her needs."

In this case, it's Aries Moon, right?

The energy most frequently used to fulfill my needs... hmm, well I am impatient and a bit of a go-getter. I am extremely moody as well (it's Moon after all).

Some extra info to read (for me): http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bowl-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bowl.html

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wilsontc
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posted August 30, 2006 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wednesday,

Aries Moon is close to the right answer...and WOULD be the right answer if we were looking for the first planet to have crossed the Ascendant moving COUNTERclockwise (i.e., in the direction OPPOSITE the way the clock goes)! But, since we are looking for the first planet to have crossed the Ascendant moving CLOCKwise, it is your Sagittarius Neptune (spirituality) we are looking for. This would indicate a strong spiritual energy in you somehow.

Let me know if this makes sense and if you have any questions about why Neptune is the "energy" planet in your chart pattern. And let me know your thoughts about whether it makes any SENSE that Neptune is the "energy planet" in your chart.

Neptunally,

Tim

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Wednesday
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posted August 30, 2006 06:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I seem to misread (and misinterpret) a lot of words... dang I wonder if it's Sagittarius carelessness or Aries impatience. Of course it's clockwise... *shakes head at self*

Oh yeah Sagittarius Neptune makes a lot of sense. I have a very active and vivid imagination that drives me to the point of being delusional (on bad days). And yeah I'm spiritual, artistic and basically... dreamy with an incurable wanderlust.

So I have a Pisces Rising, and Neptune sits on the top of my chart, and Neptune energy plays a significant part in my chart (life). Whee, I'm practically a Neptunian girl!

Thanks for being patient, Tim

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wilsontc
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posted August 31, 2006 12:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wednesday,

...and thanks for keeping at it! I admire your dedication to doing the routine work necessary to get the astrological details right!

Virgo you know,

Tim

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cat71
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posted August 31, 2006 12:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1 - post your chart - am having difficulty with this - for some reason when I try to post my chart the paste option is not available to me

Anyway...

2 - identify which pattern(s) of the chart patterns listed most closely matches your chart - I find this part of analysing quite challenging, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say:
Bucket pattern - "...a bowl pattern with a handle...a planet or two closely conjunct planets at least 30 degrees from the planets within the bowl...channels...[their] energy through the handle of the bucket. The sign and house position of this singleton or focal planet usually indicates the kind of energy this person most frequently expresses and the area of life through which... [they] seek satisfaction."

3 - write out the name of the chart pattern and a description of how the chart energies work in your chart
Energy channeled through Saturn (duty, structure) energy used is physical and focus in life is how I present myself to the world (1st house); also have Moon on the handle - so Energy chaneled through the Moon (emotional, home?) energy used is expressed in the home/through the home(?) and focus in life is posessions and finance (2nd house)

Now there is a bundle type thing in Libra (5th house) so I also think that Saturn energy (duty) causes me to look at relationships (Libra/5th house) in a kind of old fashioned way, that I approach this part of my life expecting things to follow a traditional pattern i.e boy meets girl, boy makes a move, girl accepts, happily ever after... this coupled with Juptier and Neptune in 7th, aids the airy fairy idealistic notions I tend to harbour with reagrds to relationships and friendships - but also the Saturn energy I express in relationships shows (I think) that I am a reliable and dutiful partner and won't let down a 'freind or partner in need'...

Okay Tim - verdict please

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wilsontc
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posted August 31, 2006 02:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cat,

Without a chart to look at or your birth data, I can't do too much evaluation of your conclusions...except to thank you for making the effort. In order to paste an image, put the links between two [IMG][/IMG]...or simply past the link in and we can link to your chart.

Needing a chart,

Tim

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cat71
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posted August 31, 2006 03:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope can't seem to make it work
- I'll keep trying...in the mean time here is the link http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?nhor=432793&nho2=861072&btyp=2&mth=gw&hsy=&zod=&sday=31&smon=8&syr=2006&rs=&orbp=&cid=55mfileD4x31h-u1152008714&lang=e&gm=a1&ast=

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cat71
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posted August 31, 2006 04:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ooh! The closest I get is a red cross in a box - I'm annoyed now!!!

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wilsontc
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posted September 01, 2006 12:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cat,

Thanks for posting the link! I am having the same problem with trying to show the chart with [IMG].

I think you are right that you have a bucket and a bundle in your chart.

Since you have a bucket in your chart and a bucket is made up of a bowl chart with a handle...the first step is to find the bowl. Remember in a bowl chart "All planets fall within 180 degrees (or a maximum of 190 degrees) and on one side of an opposition". If we look at the chart we see that the opposition between Jupiter and Saturn divides the chart into a top and bottom, with all the planets but one on the bottom...and Mars by itself on the top. Based on this...which planet is the handle of the bucket? What is its sign and house? This will indicate the driving energy and direction of the chart.

In the bundle pattern "All planets are contained within a trine - 120 degrees, or...a maximum of 130 degrees"...so which two planets are the boundaries of the bundle? What is the first planet to have crossed the Ascendant, moving clockwise? This planet is the energy of the bundle. The far midpoint of the bundle is around 17 degrees Gemini. In which house is 17 degrees Gemini? This indicates the focus of the bundle.

The interpretations you have at the bottom make sense, but are not directly related to the chart patterns in your chart. There is, however, a strong sense of the many planets in Libra (relationships) in your 5th house (self-expression, also dating). It is interesting how we write out our charts when we express ourselves!

Keep up the great work and let me know the answers to the questions I asked when you have a moment.

Looking at charts,

Tim

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posted September 01, 2006 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cassy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Help! What kind of chart is this? Bucket??

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cat71
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posted September 01, 2006 11:05 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
which planet is the handle of the bucket? - ah...Mars?
What is its sign and house? Aquarius (9th)This will indicate the driving energy and direction of the chart.
Energy channeled through Mars (physical energy, assertiveness) energy used is directed towards social behaviour and security in friendships (aquarius) and focus in life is expansion perhaps through travel and beliefs (9th house); In 'english' I think this might relate to my ability to maintain and expand friendships long distance and being able to travel long distances confidently at the drop of a hat without looking back or feeling like I'll lose friendships from moving around alot ( Ihave travelled quite a bit - not holidays, living in different countries for periods of time, and starting from scratch everytime)
I'm a bit unsure now as having left it for a day or so I've become a little confused

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shirty
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posted September 01, 2006 02:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read all of the descriptions but I am so bad at putting words into images.. help? I'm guessing bucket.

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wilsontc
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posted September 01, 2006 04:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cat,

Great job! You really laid out the "bucket side" of your chart well! Now, when you are rested , let me know about the "bundle" side questions posted above.

Congratulating,

Tim

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wilsontc
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posted September 01, 2006 04:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shirty,

You are right about your chart! There IS a bucket there in your chart! Now, I am going to ask the same questions I asked cat:

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which planet is the handle of the bucket? What is its sign and house? This will indicate the driving energy and direction of the chart.

Like cat, you also have a bundle in your chart. Again, my questions to cat will work here as well:

quote:
...so which two planets are the boundaries of the bundle? What is the first planet to have crossed the Ascendant, moving clockwise? This planet is the energy of the bundle. The far midpoint of the bundle is around 17 degrees Gemini. In which house is 17 degrees Gemini? This indicates the focus of the bundle.

Keep up the great work and I look forward to your answers!

Helping,

Tim

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wilsontc
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posted September 01, 2006 05:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cassy,

Good guess! The chart definitely looks like a bucket, except it has TWO "handles". It also looks a little like it has two locomotive patterns. Not every chart has a clearly defined chart pattern. The chart seems to be able to fall into a couple of different categories, indicating that perhaps, for this chart, there isn't a clear pattern. That's OK...you can still interpret and understand the chart even without a clear chart pattern!

Without a pattern,

Tim

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cat71
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posted September 01, 2006 05:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to admit, I'm a little confused about the bundle part...

so which two planets are the boundaries of the bundle? - Mars & Sun (?)
What is the first planet to have crossed the Ascendant, moving clockwise? Mars (?)

In which house is 17 degrees Gemini? 1st house This indicates the focus of the bundle.

Sorry if I'm not getting it... I am trying

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wilsontc
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posted September 02, 2006 12:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cat,

Great job! You ARE getting it! Mars is definitely one side of the bundle. I'd say Uranus instead of Sun is the other side of the bundle, because the Sun is so close to Uranus and Uranus is farther away from Mars than the Sun. Notice Mars repeats itself: it occurs in your bucket chart, and now it appears in your bundle in your chart. Also notice that Mars RULES the first house, which is the "goal" of the bundle. That's a lot of Mars (being) energy. This indicates you are very much a person who is concerned about who and what they are in life...who they are "being" in their life. To quote you:

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I think this might relate to my ability to maintain and expand friendships long distance and being able to travel long distances confidently at the drop of a hat without looking back or feeling like I'll lose friendships from moving around alot ( Ihave travelled quite a bit - not holidays, living in different countries for periods of time, and starting from scratch everytime)...

This seems to be a STRONG energy in your life.

Martially,

Tim

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cat71
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posted September 02, 2006 05:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phew - thanx Tim, I worked hard on that one but really felt like I was missing the point, I feel much more confident now

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posted September 21, 2006 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Bucket Chart all the way!
"The sign and house position of this singleton or focal planet usually indicates the kind of energy this person most frequently expresses and the area of life through which... [they] seek satisfaction." My handle is Saturn in Gemini in the 1st.

"Sign and House" position would indicate that my being (1st) needs my mind to be constantly engaged (Gemini). This is very much true. I'm constantly thinking. I hate having absolutely nothing to do. Can't tolerate boredom. Growing up in school you might have found me talking through class, and you might be astounded that I still heard the lecture and learned the material anyway. I pick up information everywhere, and while I can't always cite a source I can generally look up something I think of as true, and find out that it is.

There's a certain degree of freedom associated with having this active a mind, and I do tend to guard that sense of freedom. I don't like for my mind to be stifled in it's flights of curiosity.

I know Tim would expand the Bucket handle meaning to include the planet itself, so when I consider Saturn different ideas come up. My handle is a mirror of my chart as a whole. Cap Sun with Gemini Rising seems very similar to Saturn in Gemini in the 1st. It seems both encompass a bit of the same energy focus.

I'd like to think that Saturn adds practicality to the flighty Gemini being.

Actually, Saturn is kind of confusing to interpret here. Does my handle indicate that I should undertake formal studies? Place restrictions on my mind and get through courses, so that on the other side my unusual mind can be put to good use?

What do you think, Tim?

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wilsontc
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posted September 21, 2006 07:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG,

I think you are right, you do have a bucket chart. However, I do NOT think Saturn is the handle. The reason is because of this part of the definition of a "bucket chart":

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...All planets fall within 180 degrees (or a maximum of 190 degrees) and on one side of an opposition...

The opposition between planets in your chart is between Saturn and Mercury. So Saturn can NOT be the "handle"...since it's part of the "bowl pattern" of the "bucket chart". So now we are looking for the "handle" of the bucket:

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...a handle...a planet or two closely conjunct planets at least 30 degrees from the planets within the bowl...

So what planet(s)/point(s) is on the OTHER side of the Saturn-Mercury opposition? I suggest it is Capricorn (duty, also structure) modifying Jupiter (expansion, also wisdom) conjunct (energy is combined with) North node (future goals) focused in the 8th house (transformation). This indicates you have a structured approach to finding out transformative things (e.g., occult studies such as astrology). Or it could indicate an interest in formal (Capricorn) studies (Jupiter)!

In the know,

Tim

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posted September 21, 2006 08:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I would say mine is both bundle and bucket.
I have most of my planets within a small area (about 72 degrees) with Saturn being my handle for the bucket. SO.........
So the energy would be duty modifying being focused in the 5th House......ugh, I forgot the keyword....is it self-expression?
So I express myself by being actively dutiful? LOL

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wilsontc
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posted September 21, 2006 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mystical,

I would say your pattern is closest to a "Fan Pattern":

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Fan pattern - "All planets but one (or two in close conjunction) are contained within the trine of a bundle pattern...[These one or two conjunct planets] is at least 60 degrees apart from the bundle area and opposes at least one of its planets...uses the handle planet...[(one or two conjunct planets)] as a source of support..."

Even though there is no trine in your chart, it is clear that all your planets are contained inside of 120 degrees (a trine). So, yes Saturn (duty, also structure) focused in the 5th house (self-expression) would be source of support in self-expressive structuring of some sort. The importance of the 5th house is reinforced since your North node (future goals) is also focused in the 5th house.

Self-expressively,

Tim

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