posted April 14, 2012 06:45 AM            

I was contemplating the Seventh House, as that of the “other”. In doing charts, I have seen that people with a full Seventh House may feel a lack of personal identity and look for it in a partner. This makes sense. If one has any planet in the Seventh, one may look to find the qualities of this planet in a partner. If one has Venus in the Seventh House, one may not feel love for oneself until a partner mirrors love.If one has the Sun in the Seventh House, one may find his identity in the partner. If one has Mars in the Seventh House, one may use the partner as the anger rod while one’s own anger stays submerged. If one has Pluto in the Seventh, one may find one’s passion in the arms of a lover, only, and not be connected to one’ s primal self, otherwise. If one has the moon in the Seventh, one may not feel a connection to one’ s emotions, unless in a relationship. One may look for an emotional partner. If one has Uranus in the Seventh, one’s rebellion may be submerged as one finds a rebellious and lets him act it out. If one has Jupiter, here, one may look for an optimistic, jovial partner .One may not be able to access this side of oneself, without the help of the partner. If one has Saturn, here, one may look for a task master. One may not be disciplined without the help of a Father-figure kind of partner.Asteroids open up a plethora of avenues. I will explore that in another article.

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posted April 14, 2012 12:47 PM            

I actually go through the same thing myself. I don't have a single 7th house planet. In fact, I pretty much have houses 4-7 totally empty. These areas are not void of importance in my life... just not THE most important areas. Yet at the same time I have the SN in Taurus in house 5, and the NN in Scorpio in house 11. This is telling me that I need to stop relying just on myself, and merge spiritually with groups. But this has been a difficult time for me, because many 11th house planets go either way; you find the group or groups of your dreams to revolutionize, or you inevitably get cast out of many cliques and social circles. This is a trap, when being cast out, to go back to the SN's ways of ultra-Leonian independence! So I think the issues of independence vs. dependence are very touchy for people and can cause much issues in life. It's like waging an inner war: am I better off WITH them, or WITHOUT them? Sometimes it's hard to tell, especially if your placements indicate you shift back and forth between identifying with others, and going at it alone.

I think having Venus and Saturn - especially together - in the 7th would be a struggle.

I usually use Kurt Cobain as an example when I talk about that one. He had a difficult time with his love life. Most of his partners were very, very maternal, or practical, and seemed more grounded and down-to-earth than he was with certain things. One girlfriend Tracy Marander attested to this, and how she could see the problems he had that he ignored. I imagine that someone with Venus and Saturn, especially in conjunction in the 7th house, would be looking for a love to not only fill the missing half of their identity but someone who could take care of them with more menial and earthy tasks... the tasks of life which are concrete and not always fun to deal with.

posted April 14, 2012 08:33 PM            

Now, I'm no expert in this field but the way I experience my seventh house is more in a "the way I act in my relationships" "what you'll discover about me if you get to interact with me and to know me". I think it makes sense considering how the sventh house is opposite the first. An to me the first house is all about your self image. What you acknowledge about yourself and thus what appears to be very obvious about you to others. On the contrary, the seventh house is all about you in the context of a relationship, it 's a part of yourself that you acknowledge less because you get to discover it through your close relations to others.

I'll take myself as an example so I can give more accuracy to what I am saying. I'm a cancer ascendant with moon mercuy conjunct my descendant and I also have venus in the seventh. When people see me for the first time, they get the impression that I'm a nice, maybe vulnerable girl, and the fact that I am quiet and reserved (I blame the cap for that) make them think that I am shy. But that's only how I come off to others when they don't know me. In my relationship, I am really talkative, and caring, and my way to care for peple is to be there and work their issues out with them, which involves a lot of listening, counseling, emotions sharing, discussing those emotions, and analizing of our emotional make-up. And I love doing this because that's who I am in the context of a relationship and I can never get close to people who don't let me do this, and who don't do it with me (I don't feel as comfortable with them as with people I know who can confide in me and who I can confide in). As for venus in the seventh, I have found that I dont relate well to groups of friends, I am really bad at it, I appreciate having a one on one interaction with someone and getting to know them. And I guess it makes ense since venus is the ruler of my eleventh house.

However I find that there is a very odd pattern in that most people I am close to, and all my family members have mainly gemini, virgo, taurus, libra, and cancer influence in their personal planets.

So I don't know if any of what I've written above makes sense but to me I've never looked for others to be emotional so I could be emotional, to express love so I could do it. To me planets in the seventh describe the way I relate to people in my close personal relationship.

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posted April 18, 2012 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Full Seventh House—-Loss of Identity?
By amiann | Published: January 7, 2012

I was contemplating the Seventh House, as that of the “other”. In doing charts, I have seen that people with a full Seventh House may feel a lack of personal identity and look for it in a partner. This makes sense. If one has any planet in the Seventh, one may look to find the qualities of this planet in a partner. If one has Venus in the Seventh House, one may not feel love for oneself until a partner mirrors love.If one has the Sun in the Seventh House, one may find his identity in the partner. If one has Mars in the Seventh House, one may use the partner as the anger rod while one’s own anger stays submerged. If one has Pluto in the Seventh, one may find one’s passion in the arms of a lover, only, and not be connected to one’ s primal self, otherwise. If one has the moon in the Seventh, one may not feel a connection to one’ s emotions, unless in a relationship. One may look for an emotional partner. If one has Uranus in the Seventh, one’s rebellion may be submerged as one finds a rebellious and lets him act it out. If one has Jupiter, here, one may look for an optimistic, jovial partner .One may not be able to access this side of oneself, without the help of the partner. If one has Saturn, here, one may look for a task master. One may not be disciplined without the help of a Father-figure kind of partner.Asteroids open up a plethora of avenues. I will explore that in another article.

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This is a perfect interpretation. I have a stellium in the 7th house and I have not been single since I was 18 years old. I spent my high school years single and I don't think it's a coincidence that I spent them depressed and feeling isolated (I was also inspired and wrote some truly beautiful poetry as a result of my depression). The end of a relationship feels like a death to me, I become submerged in grief. The sudden end of the relationship with my ex (Gemini) led to me being in the ER with panic attacks. I could not eat or sleep and quickly lost 10 pounds. I began having heart palpitations on the way to work and took myself to the hospital for sleeping pills/anti-anxiety medications. I had literally let him become my entire world. His friends were my friends. When he left it felt like he was taking my identify with him. I had moved to a sketchy part of town just to live nearer to him. Now, there was no reason for me to be there.

posted April 18, 2012 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If one has Venus in the Seventh House, one may not feel love for oneself until a partner mirrors love.

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I found this part to be especially apt.

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posted April 18, 2012 05:23 PM            

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I actually go through the same thing myself. I don't have a single 7th house planet. In fact, I pretty much have houses 4-7 totally empty.

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Because it is not a 7th house thing??

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I've never fully understood how the 7th house can be about the other when it's in your chart. I always feel that more than saying something about my partners, it has to say something about me in some way.

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Exactly, 7th house planets r urs. If u gots it flaunt it!

It does rule open enemies too..

http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/2011/04/30/venus-rules-the-7th-house/

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I wouldn't wish a loaded seventh house on anyone.

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posted April 18, 2012 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
Is the aqua sun in h7? I think it would be doubly airy if so.

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Yes, sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter all in the seventh.

posted April 18, 2012 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:

Yes, sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter all in the seventh.

Perhaps it's a "dignified" placement but it doesn't feel natural as an Aquarian. Remember, dignified or not, it's still in opposition to my essence.

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posted April 25, 2012 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
So, should I feel lucky having an empty 7th house?

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Probably lol

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posted April 25, 2012 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
My ascendant is Leo. I'm assuming Leo is a comfortable place for an ascendant. I don't know which sign is supposed to represent the ascendant's 'natural home,' but I assumed it was Leo tbh.

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I don't think Leo is a wonderful place for an ASC. I think it is one of the hardest places for an ASC, actually. This is my opinion, so take it as such. This ASC seems as if it cannot be one with others. This ASC seems as if it must grab center stage. As such, it alienates people. However, it does not know why. This ASC seem as if it has a blindness to it's own ego. For me, personally, I think it is the hardest ASC to have or the one that I would choose least of all, anyway.

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posted April 26, 2012 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by gemisagscorp:
I dont think there are a asc that is more difficult to have than others. My asc in sagg is a bit difficult to me in that way that my moon is in scorpio and like to controll things and build nests and my sagg asc wants to be free and travel around. My gemni sun is killing my moon sometimes because it support the sagg. I am my worst enemy when it comes to hurt feelings

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posted April 26, 2012 05:29 PM            

Anyway, the only way for me to really understand it is by examining my past. My parents had a VERY co-dependent relationship. They eventually got divorced, but my mom has gone on to repeat the same patterns in future relationships, and has tried to suck me in to the drama every step of the way. I learned to put up a lot of walls, and was afraid of expressing my real opinions and needs, in fear that they would be ignored, laughed at, or used against me in some way. I felt that by hiding my identity, I was protecting myself, but as I’ve learned, the things you hide from other people, you also begin to hide from yourself.

I think this has been called the house of co-dependency, because if you can’t integrate these parts of yourself into your own self-image, and always need validation from someone else to acknowledge them, you obviously become dependent on their support and opinions of you. All my planets here are in Cap, and my ascendant is Cancer. I would very much like to ignore the 1st house/7th house, Cancer/Cap polarities these placements are trying to teach me about, but I really can’t since my NN is here. My worst fear in life would be turning into my parents, and sacrificing all the goals and positive things in my life by becoming trapped in some sort of dysfunctional, co-dependent marriage or relationship. From what I’ve witnessed, this type of addiction can destroy lives just as much as addiction to any other drug or substance. Maybe this is where Saturn comes in- I don’t want to get married or settle down until I’ve established a life for myself where I am happy and self-sufficient without depending on someone else. But sometimes I feel like I still have a long road ahead of me, because I know there’s a fine line between independence and isolation, and I’m not always good at walking it. I know I need to become re-acquainted with the parts of myself I blocked off long ago, so that I can safely share them with other people without being too guarded or needing their approval. Astrology has helped me make sense of these sort of things.

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Thanks for your article, it’s an interesting topic, and I find all of that to be pretty true. I have Sun-Saturn and NN in 7th house. Neptune is on the 7th house cusp. It’s definitely a weak spot for me, so I don’t especially like talking about it or admitting to it, but I think these are some of my most challenging placements. I think the issues I have with one on one relationships stems from childhood, although I know someone with a different personality may have reacted very differently to the same environment-my sister is a perfect example of that.

Anyway, the only way for me to really understand it is by examining my past. My parents had a VERY co-dependent relationship. They eventually got divorced, but my mom has gone on to repeat the same patterns in future relationships, and has tried to suck me in to the drama every step of the way. I learned to put up a lot of walls, and was afraid of expressing my real opinions and needs, in fear that they would be ignored, laughed at, or used against me in some way. I felt that by hiding my identity, I was protecting myself, but as I’ve learned, the things you hide from other people, you also begin to hide from yourself.

I think this has been called the house of co-dependency, because if you can’t integrate these parts of yourself into your own self-image, and always need validation from someone else to acknowledge them, you obviously become dependent on their support and opinions of you. All my planets here are in Cap, and my ascendant is Cancer. I would very much like to ignore the 1st house/7th house, Cancer/Cap polarities these placements are trying to teach me about, but I really can’t since my NN is here. My worst fear in life would be turning into my parents, and sacrificing all the goals and positive things in my life by becoming trapped in some sort of dysfunctional, co-dependent marriage or relationship. From what I’ve witnessed, this type of addiction can destroy lives just as much as addiction to any other drug or substance. Maybe this is where Saturn comes in- I don’t want to get married or settle down until I’ve established a life for myself where I am happy and self-sufficient without depending on someone else. But sometimes I feel like I still have a long road ahead of me, because I know there’s a fine line between independence and isolation, and I’m not always good at walking it. I know I need to become re-acquainted with the parts of myself I blocked off long ago, so that I can safely share them with other people without being too guarded or needing their approval. Astrology has helped me make sense of these sort of things.

Anyway, sorry for rambling, I just thought I would share my experience of the 7th house as I understand it. I’m hoping that since I have Saturn and Sun (wide orb) conjunct NN here, even though these are very difficult issues for me, that with enough work and self-awareness I’ll be able to overcome them and break the cycle…

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posted April 26, 2012 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by gemisagscorp:
I have sun conjunct venus in 7th house and I have always been on a search fore a soulmate. Actually the first thing I do when I am with new people (work/classes/organisations)is to look after the one I will be close with. I always hit it right with my scorpio moon. To me it doesnt have to be a romantic relationship, but I do crave soulmates

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posted July 11, 2012 12:46 PM            

I have mercury (in 00"54 capricorn), jupiter, and neptune conjunct in sagittarius in the 7th house.

I think the 7th house is other people, your relationships (and expectations) for others, and your hopes about what those qualities can do for you!

For instance, I think (mercury) a lot about relationships (friends, family, people, and communication.) I also have very spiritual (neptune) relationships with my friends--we often pray together, discuss spiritual matters and many of my friends encourage my creativity (neptune).

Now, Jupiter in the 7th--that's something else---so MUCH faith in other people! Faith in relationships (along with neptune and mercury) can lead to high expectations!

All of this is opposed my Gemini ascendant of course...but I've never truly understood what that is supposed to mean....when I look for interpretations it ALWAYS says something bad about neptune (neptune isn't THAT bad it gives allure, glamour, creativity and spirituality!)and it always says something about mercury wanting to agree with others just for the sake of it. (I don't agree! LOL)

posted July 13, 2012 05:58 PM            

7th house planets mean it is important that you be actively involved with others. When there are fire planets there it means you are energized and brought out of yourself by involvement with others. Water planets are more subtle. This will act differently in an introvert's chart than in an extrovert's. And it will seem to be a different dynamic when a person has no self-esteem.

Self-love is far more fundamental than anything in our birth charts. It is important that we not skew interpretation (which is based on underlying purpose, Soul's intention) because of co-dependent or adaptive behaviors, thus either justifying them or locking ourselves into a 'fate' or struggle that isn't necessarily even written in the birth chart.

A person cannot lose their identity, only fail to remember who/what they are - A Spark of the One Divine, A Piece of the Absolute. Feeling as if you have lost your identity in this kind of co-dependent way means you are valuing others more than yourself and living without awareness of your power!

Treat yourself as if you are equal in worth and you can have all the 7th house planets a chart can fit without co-dependency or loss of any kind. Part of what is being described here to start the thread is the karma that many people bring in within the chart. It is good to learn the lesson: Love, and get on to the greater purposes than to see the birth chart as something that keeps us stuck. It does not.

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