posted September 23, 2013 12:34 PM            

An old friend of mine committed suicide & just can't stop wondering if there were any transits that made this happen.
I don't know her specific birth time, but I suspect she was a Cancer ASC. Especially because that would also bring Mars conjunct her ASC which I understood is often seen with people who commit suicide. She also had an 'Aries vibe' in her appearance (next to the feminine softness). Or at least that's what I thought.
It would also give her Jupiter in the 12th which is also very fitting, because she was very spiritual.
I wondered if TChiron conjunct Sun could make this happen? And also there's a mars - Mars conjunction going on.

It feels a bit awkward to put her chart up without permission so I may remove it after a while.

Extra info: she was manic depressive. But she had lots & lots of people around her & was very loved.

Thanks for insights in advance

posted September 23, 2013 12:35 PM            

I will look later

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posted September 24, 2013 04:09 AM            

I don't know much about astrology in terms of analyzing it to the T.

posted September 24, 2013 06:44 AM            

Thank you.
I'll definitely look up Kurt Cobains chart & see if I can find some similarities. Very good point
I'm just not sure about the exact birth time which makes it a bit harder, but even without there would still be a lot of water. Thanks!

Edit: wow. Very similar indeed & she has the sun square neptune placement.
Personal planets all in water except the Moon. (I'm not sure how birth time will effect this)
Also think I see 3 water trines in there. (I'm no expert at astrology either)

Edit: and then there's also the transit neptune conjunct the sun. I can imagine that having a 'deluding effect' perhaps?

posted September 27, 2013 03:30 AM            

With Mars conjunct the Ascendant, that’s a lot of emotion involved in decision making or taking action; this is where the “Aries vibe” came from.

The Mercury square Neptune in mutable Sagittarius doesn’t help either-it tends to cloud reasoning and judgment and make decisions that are very biased.

Jupiter hits Venus by square; this aspect can exaggerate feelings and make them colossal. Everything is BIG; love BIG, feel good BIG, spend money BIG, make unwise decisions BIG: Nothing in half measure.

Suicide is often a mental decision that is followed by action. Mars is the method of execution and the manner of death whilst Mercury is the actual decision to “do it”.

Mercury in Pisces makes me suspect the Jupiter/Mars and even Venus transits.

Remember, for the person committing suicide, the act is not always an exaggerated action to appease a situation (Jupiter). Neither an irreversible, violent undertaking (Mars) but sometimes a relief to self and an ease to let go of life (Venus).

With Mercury squaring Neptune widely squaring Jupiter and Mars in Cancer conjunct Asc, there were very strong emotional motivations.

The Moon in Cap suggests to me that, no matter how much “loved” the individual was, it is unlikely that they felt it.
At worst the Capricorn Moon can look at other people’s affections as a “tying” obligation and that they are a “burden” to the one’s who love them and how much better life would be if they were gone etc.

posted September 27, 2013 08:16 AM            

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posted October 01, 2013 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
First off, your friend had a very water heavy chart- Sun, Mercury, Venus in Pisces, Mars and Asc in Cancer as well as Uranus in Scorpio. This person felt a whole lot.

With Mars conjunct the Ascendant, that’s a lot of emotion involved in decision making or taking action; this is where the “Aries vibe” came from.

The Mercury square Neptune in mutable Sagittarius doesn’t help either-it tends to cloud reasoning and judgment and make decisions that are very biased.

Jupiter hits Venus by square; this aspect can exaggerate feelings and make them colossal. Everything is BIG; love BIG, feel good BIG, spend money BIG, make unwise decisions BIG: Nothing in half measure.

Suicide is often a mental decision that is followed by action. Mars is the method of execution and the manner of death whilst Mercury is the actual decision to “do it”.

Mercury in Pisces makes me suspect the Jupiter/Mars and even Venus transits.

Remember, for the person committing suicide, the act is not always an exaggerated action to appease a situation (Jupiter). Neither an irreversible, violent undertaking (Mars) but sometimes a relief to self and an ease to let go of life (Venus).

With Mercury squaring Neptune widely squaring Jupiter and Mars in Cancer conjunct Asc, there were very strong emotional motivations.

The Moon in Cap suggests to me that, no matter how much “loved” the individual was, it is unlikely that they felt it.
At worst the Capricorn Moon can look at other people’s affections as a “tying” obligation and that they are a “burden” to the one’s who love them and how much better life would be if they were gone etc.

There is no better way to describe the emotional reactions of a Capricorn moon than describing a business transaction: Emotions are always underplayed(whether their own or others) as they spoil a “practical” outcome.

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Hi
Thank you so much for taking the time
I can see the heavy water in the chart.

I find it interesting that you are pointing at both the Jupiter/mars & even venus transits. TMars just passed her natal Mars & Jupiter just went conjunct with NMars too. Would that multiply the push felt?

posted October 01, 2013 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am sorry I have not been back. I got busy on my website and also, I try to do the more pressing questions on here, first! xx

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posted October 01, 2013 05:07 PM            

I still have not gotten back. I am sorry. I have been in my garden for hours every day trying to plant new things.

I appreciate your patience so much and see that other people have weighed in and so that is really good.

I need a clear head when I look at a chart because it is intuitive as well as just the actual aspects.

If I am tired, it is harder so please forgive my tardiness.

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posted October 01, 2013 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Twirl:
Garden sounds lovely
I can imagine that it takes the energy to focus on the chart, so don't worry & hope you have time to sit down in the garden as well

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Thank you , Friend

I planted a row of sunflower plants around my porch- the big sunflowers. I am just starting to do flowers and have mostly edible flowers because those seem cool!

I am out there for hours and hours in the hot sun and then can't think too well. Thank you for understanding

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posted October 01, 2013 09:59 PM            

Do you think Tr Jupiter could be conj her ASC. What would that make her Asc?

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posted October 01, 2013 10:01 PM            

You may want to check the asteroid Antropis. I have not used it but it is supposed to show death

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posted October 01, 2013 10:03 PM            

The combust is one of the hardest things in the chart imo as the person is too close to himself

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posted October 01, 2013 10:06 PM            

Tr Chiron was coming up on her Mercury.

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posted October 01, 2013 10:07 PM            

This may give us our clue.

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posted October 02, 2013 02:03 AM            

If very violent; gunshot, hanging etc It can involve Mars.

If it was pills, poisoning or something of that nature, the 12th house is key.

posted October 02, 2013 02:39 AM            

I looked up Maniac. It does trine Neptune exact & is in the 8th.
If I move Jupiter conjunct ASC, Chiron would still be in the 11th house. She would still have a Cancer ASC. But I think her hands are too tiny to have it conjunct (I have Jup conjunct ASC and I have big hands & feet, lol)
I couldn't find the asteroid number Antropis.
Aah, okay, I'll read into the Mercury square Neptune.
Thank you Ami!

posted October 02, 2013 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I will just drop my opinion, though I'm not an expert in this...
But I do see some classic traits, she was a pisces sun which is known to have big imagination and live a bit in their own world, this get's even more pointed out when she has a very afflicted neptune that is both squaring her sun, mercury and venus... that's like omg. She must really have been haunted by illusions of a better world, and her sun was in the very idealistic 9th house too and everytime she gets depressed when she comes back to reality, and she will get more and more disappointed and finally prefer to stay in the imaginary world and commit suicide...she has a strong enough mars too, if it's really in her 1st house
Poor girl, she must have had a creative talent in some way, but never learned how to use it

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posted October 02, 2013 10:45 AM            

Lovely interpretation, NexttoNeptune.

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