posted March 09, 2020 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I don't think anyone ever has an obligation to, or even really the right to, consciously meddle in anyone elses transit lessons... unless asked to. Doing so anyway tends to come off as condescending rather than helpful. But lets just leave it at that, shall we. I have no wish to further debate it.

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As it happens ... I agree with you on that, Nadja ... having learned it from my interaction with Moonbeth on this thread.

However, I did not become conscious of meddling in her transit lessons until my after-the-event comparison of the synastry between our two charts. ... All I was conscious of was that she had inserted an unnecessary-and-irrational rant into her otherwise logical-and-rational comment.

And ... I still cannot see what she considers me to have missed in reading her "disclaimer" as a subconsciously driven passive-aggressive rant**. ... So, it would be helpful (to me) if that can be clarified here - BY ANYONE.

[ ** "Disclaimer: this is lindaland so some all knowing ******* may barge in insulting my intellect because I failed to render their obtuse and radical way of stating their truth that they think universal, that's cuntic behaviour, let's pay no mind to it, at least I tried and I'm honest and upftont about simply trying.
I may very well be wrong, that I'm on board with 😊 but I tried and hope it helps a bit." ... Unprovoked-and-unneccessay rant, extracted from initial comment by Moonbeth.]

posted March 15, 2020 04:50 PM            

Please, let's all stop fighting and try to focus on what we have on hand, won't we?

I don't know exactly what midpoints ARE, and Beth's metaphor pretty much matches the idea I've been getting, but it's a vague idea.
I don't know how to use them.
I don't know what do they mean in natal and synastry.

posted March 16, 2020 02:20 AM            

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I don't know exactly what midpoints ARE, and Beth's metaphor pretty much matches the idea I've been getting, but it's a vague idea.
I don't know how to use them.
I don't know what do they mean in natal and synastry.

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Your opening post indicates that you have already read about these things, LSRTM. ... So, are you not now seeking a practical understanding of the theory that you already know (but do not yet fully comprehend)? ... And, if so, what is/would be the point of members here reproducing (or providing examples/"baby-images" of) the theoretical information that you already know?

Please tell us what the vague ideas are that you already have ... and give us a practical example of how you would currently use (say) a Sun-Moon midpoint in natal and synastry.

If we do not know your present level of understanding/putting the theory into practice, how can we help you? ... Since we still have no meaningful reference point from which to start.

[Mathematically, a mid-point is the zodiac degree which lies exactly halfway between the actual zodiac degree locations of any two planets/angles/points. ... Hence, there are two - the near midpoint and the far midpoint, being respectively the smallest and largest aspect distance between the locations of the two actual planets.

Astrologically, natal/progressed/transit planets which aspect those midpoints are simultaneous activators of the two actual planets. ... So, based upon empirical evidence, astrologers concluded that those two planet (midpoint) and three planet (midpoint tree) contacts are significant influences.

However, whilst midpoints are indeed significant astrological indicators, that is only because they are points at which the influence/energy of two planets is "always active".]
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posted September 13, 2020 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon:
Blimey, did I miss some high-voltage confrontation here!

Please, let's all stop fighting and try to focus on what we have on hand, won't we?

I don't know exactly what midpoints ARE, and Beth's metaphor pretty much matches the idea I've been getting, but it's a vague idea.
I don't know how to use them.
I don't know what do they mean in natal and synastry.

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Ok ... to illustrate ... let's use my "fight" here with Moonbeth, since her natal Saturn/Pluto midpoint is at 22Libra15 and my natal Venus is conjunct that point (at 22Libra44).

The Saturn/Pluto midpoint is where our desire to break free (from our childhood-conditioned behavioural traits) is severely restricted/limited.

When this point is activated by transit Venus, progressed Venus or Venus in the chart of another person ... the activating planet will impel/urge the mid-point person to "transcend his/her normal barriers, to bring back from the depths some truth about his/her relationships". {This "quote" is from the Astrocalc 6 interpretation text for aspects to midpoints.)

Hence ... in synastry ... a "fight" between two people with Venus-conjunct-Saturn/Pluto is a mechanism for "awakening" BOTH of them to a childhood-conditioned behavioural trait that has been suppressed.

However ... having recently been informed that this forum does not consider childhood-conditioning to be an integral part of astrology ... I realise now that LL was/is not a place to attempt to raise awareness of suppressed behavioural traits.

posted October 24, 2020 12:28 PM            

The Mercury/Uranus mid-point is where members of the forum are open to unusual ideas/thinking. ... So this forum is a place where your's are likely to be "heard and considered" rather than rejected out-of-hand, LSRTM.

posted November 30, 2020 01:45 PM            

The Saturn/Pluto midpoint is where our desire to break free (from our childhood-conditioned behavioural traits) is severely restricted/limited.

If this point is activated by (say) Venus in the chart of another person ... the activating planet will impel/urge the mid-point person to "transcend his/her normal barriers, to bring back from the depths some truth about his/her relationships". (This "quote" is from the Astrocalc 6 interpretation text for aspects to midpoints.)

posted December 26, 2020 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[b]For example :-

The Saturn/Pluto midpoint is where our desire to break free (from our childhood-conditioned behavioural traits) is severely restricted/limited.

If this point is activated by (say) Venus in the chart of another person ... the activating planet will impel/urge the mid-point person to "transcend his/her normal barriers, to bring back from the depths some truth about his/her relationships". (This "quote" is from the Astrocalc 6 interpretation text for aspects to midpoints.)

Hence ... in synastry ... Venus-conjunct-Saturn/Pluto is a mechanism for "awakening" BOTH of the chart owners to a childhood-conditioned behavioural trait that has been suppressed.[/B]

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The Saturn/Pluto midpoint of the LL forum is at 5Pisces10, which is opposed by my natal Saturn at 5Virgo33. ... So - using the midpoint interpretations of astrocalc 6 - on the LL forum, "I have a desire to break free from the bonds that restrict me - sometimes explosively. This might be the only way but other possibilities will present themselves if given the chance to do so. Thus, I have to keep an open mind (when interacting with others on this forum)".

Where I was born (Yorkshire, UK), that interpretation translates as ... "when interacting with a person who is not yet ready to confront his/her childhood conditioning (Saturn/Pluto midpoint), you have to learn to 'see all, hear all but say nowt' (Saturn in Virgo/11th). ... Or "those with Saturn-in-Virgo/11th that cannot take a smack in the mouth must learn when to keep it shut."

posted March 01, 2021 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nadja:
[b]I think you Graham might have to take responsibility for this confrontation too... You pretty much kicked the hornet's nest.

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Yes, Nadja. ... I did indeed do that; do accept responsibility for doing so and will learn from it.

However, as a 71 year old pensioner, my income no longer depends upon being employed. ... Hence, my need to get along with others is desirable rather than essential. ... But, Moonbeth is much younger than I - so her need to learn from these current transits may be essential rather than desirable.

Fortunately though, my astrological obligation to her in these current transits does not extend beyond delivering the Pluto message of "stop ranting, and start listening". ... And I have now done that here on this thread.
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Now might be a good time to flag up this comment again.

posted March 02, 2021 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
@Graham,

I once read a very simplistic designation for Scorpio Sun: The Psychologist of the Zodiac. And I really do find that to be your approach. You dig deep with a laser focus and encourage self-examination both in yourself and others. But not everyone can handle how deep the Scorpio scope can go. I can relate to your style, and I appreciate it. I wouldn't be saying this if you were not open to turning that laser focus on yourself, but you walk your talk. Respect

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Yes. ... I am indeed learning that "one size/approach might not fit everyone, and nothing compares to the results produced by bespoke tailoring". (Except, of course, shrink-to-fit jeans for teenagers and young adults.)

posted March 23, 2021 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LeoSagRisingTaurusMoon:
I never managed to wrap my head around midpoints, I've been reading but I often find myself at a loss on this matter.

My astrological software dedicates three section to midpoints (it's a lot!) but it's all greek to me, and I find this so unnerving.

Someone could enlighten me?

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