posted May 27, 2014 09:24 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Awwww...I love your story, Ceri, and your interpretations - I can see your beautiful heart in them...there is so much love in your story! I can't believe that Moon, that Mercury, Isis and Osiris...it is already a myth, thank you so much for sharing!
I wish you all the happiness in the world

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Thank you, Leeloo. I just love letting stories unfold. I am aware that it is just one way to read it, but now and then I like to let my mind drift like that. Probably this is ther eason I am so attached to astrology.

tulipe,

thank you, too.

Cappy,

nope, no new crush. That was the Davison of Mr Sag and me. Not even getting into aspects and asteroids big time. lol

posted May 27, 2014 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
So because it's an actual date in time rather than the presented midpoints. Okay. Fair enough. That's an interesting notion. I was curious as to why the Davison would be chosen over the composite, but that does explain it. Since it's an actual date.

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I haven´t made up my mind yet. But some astrologers imply it seems to be more karmic (though it is not really getting the real meaning I suppose).

Well, it seems like it is more related to the external manifestation of a connection, as compared to the composite highlighting the themes between the couple on the basis of their respective personalities (and natal themes).

posted May 27, 2014 10:48 AM            

Some argumenting against the Davison the same way as you do; the other who favour Davison usually disagree with the composite as being an "artificial chart", that never existed in terms of a "real map of the sky".

I am just summarizing, not giving an opinion either way.

Actually I think the idea behind Davision is, that each birth date, which is the basis for the natal horoscope anyway, contains all potential of a personality.

The composite and the Davison actually both use the same mental hypothesis, placing value on the midpoint, just in one case between each set of planets, while the Davisonists are deriving their midpoint from the days (which contain the natal potential anyway) themselves.

I do think that possibly both hypothesis could be debatable. (well not to me, I believe in the power of midpoints ). But I can understand that astrologers might say: What qualitative information could the midpoint between two positions possibly deliver? Especially since there are TWO midpoints in a circle (which we conveniently neglect when erecting composites; sure we use the shortest midpoint, but why really? Because Robert Hand said so? )

And the midpoint between two positions can be made up of so very different aspects or angular distances. What is the qualitative difference?

For example:

Venus on 00 Aries and Venus on 00 Leo

Venus on 00 Pisces and Venus on 00 Virgo

etc. etc.

having the same midpoint; in both composites Venus would end up on 00 Gemini, but it most certainly would be a different Gemini-Venus for both relationships. (I think that is where the importance to relating back the composite to the natals comes into play).

Same goes for synastric midpoints, I have started to at least make a mental note of the underlying aspect forming the midpoint.

For example:

someones Venus on my Jupiter/Neptune-mp (in my chart Jupiter and Neptune are square, hence my Jupiter and Neptune semisquare his Venus.

someone else`s Jupiter/Neptune-mp might end up on the same degree, but the underlying aspect could be a trine with sextiles to his Venus, I think there will be a (at least gradual) difference in the manifestation of this aspect.

I think I might have gotten strayed away from the topic a little. Sorry.

posted May 27, 2014 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There definitely seem to be different "factions" of astrologers in regard to this.

Some argumenting against the Davison the same way as you do; the other who favour Davison usually disagree with the composite as being an "artificial chart", that never existed in terms of a "real map of the sky".

I am just summarizing, not giving an opinion either way.

Actually I think the idea behind Davision is, that each birth date, which is the basis for the natal horoscope anyway, contains all potential of a personality.

The composite and the Davison actually both use the same mental hypothesis, placing value on the midpoint, just in one case between each set of planets, while the Davisonists are deriving their midpoint from the days (which contain the natal potential anyway) themselves.

I do think that possibly both hypothesis could be debatable. (well not to me, I believe in the power of midpoints ). But I can understand that astrologers might say: What qualitative information could the midpoint between two positions possibly deliver? Especially since there are TWO midpoints in a circle (which we conveniently neglect when erecting composites; sure we use the shortest midpoint, but why really? Because Robert Hand said so? )

And the midpoint between two positions can be made up of so very different aspects or angular distances. What is the qualitative difference?

For example:

Venus on 00 Aries and Venus on 00 Leo

Venus on 00 Pisces and Venus on 00 Virgo

etc. etc.

having the same midpoint; in both composites Venus would end up on 00 Gemini, but it most certainly would be a different Gemini-Venus for both relationships. (I think that is where the importance to relating back the composite to the natals comes into play).

Same goes for synastric midpoints, I have started to at least make a mental note of the underlying aspect forming the midpoint.

For example:

someones Venus on my Jupiter/Neptune-mp (in my chart Jupiter and Neptune are square, hence my Jupiter and Neptune semisquare his Venus.

someone else`s Jupiter/Neptune-mp might end up on the same degree, but the underlying aspect could be a trine with sextiles to his Venus, I think there will be a (at least gradual) difference in the manifestation of this aspect.

I think I might have gotten strayed away from the topic a little. Sorry.

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Thanks for that, Ceri, very interesting point of view.

Personally, I pay an extra attention to the composite because I believe in midpoints. After all, we are bringing a sky map into bi-dimensional, into a geometrical map and then we play with geometry, and what is revealing about a chart is this underlying geometrical dance, which proves to be so harmonious and congruent on so many levels.

posted May 27, 2014 02:47 PM            

Lots of amazing artists and thinkers relaxed, created masterpieces, and celebrated in this park. It's a beautiful area in the city of love.

YOUR SHARED, COZY, HIDDEN SECRET
IC: Leo 11’38
An Evening Party of Adults on a Lawn Lit by Fancy Lanterns

HOW YOU ARE TOGETHER
Descendant: Sagittarius 3’06
A Little Child Learning to Walk with the Encouragement of HIs Parents

We are very supportive and helpful to each other. It's never pushy or forceful, just encouraging with a heavy undertone of love.

HOW THEY SEE YOU
Midheaven: Aquarius 11’38”
On a Vast Staircase Stand People of Different Types Graduated Upward

WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT
Sun: Gemini 16’36
The Head of a Robust Youth Changes into that of a Mature Thinker

THE DEEPEST YOU COULD FEEL
Moon: Aquarius 12’33
A Barometer

THE IDEA THAT HOLDS YOU TOGETHER
Mercury: Gemini 16’25
The Head of a Robust Youth Changes into that of a Mature Thinker

HOW YOUR LOVE IS
Venus: Taurus 0’58
A Clear Mountain Stream

Refreshing, rejuvenating. Perfect.

HOW YOUR BODIES MEET
Mars: Gemini 28’39
The First Mockingbird of Spring

After a long winter of dissatisfaction, it's like spring as lit up my world.

YOUR GREATEST CHANCE
Jupiter: Aquarius 16’57
A Watchdog Stands Guard, Protecting His Master and His Possessions

YOUR FATE TOGETHER
Saturn: Scorpio 23’12
After Having Heard an Inspired Individual Deliver His “Sermon on the Mount,” Crowds are Returning Home

WHAT’S UNEXPECTED
Uranus: Sagittarius 15’57
Sea Gulls Fly around a Ship in Expectation of Food

YOUR SHARED DREAM
Neptune: Capricorn 2’40
A Human Soul, in its Eagerness for New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment

Just...so right on. We both seek to live full lives, and while I always lived mine more mentally, he helps me want to live it outwardly

THIS YOU WILL TRANSFORM ONLY TOGETHER
Pluto: Scorpio 2’15
A House-Raising Party in a Small Viliage Enlists the Neighbors’ Cooperation

WHERE WE ARE HEADED
North Node: Taurus 17’51
A Woman Airing an Old Bag through the Open Window of her Room

HOW WE MET
South Node: Scorpio 17’51
A Path through Woods Brilliant with Multicolored Splendor

Psyche: Taurus 11’44
A Young Couple Window Shopping

Eros: Gemini 8’48
A Quiver Filled with Arrows

Vertex: Scorpio 0’36
A Crowded Sightseeing Bus on a City Street

posted May 27, 2014 03:58 PM            

nope, no new crush. That was the Davison of Mr Sag and me. Not even getting into aspects and asteroids big time. lol]/quote]

Oops...sorry ~~"

posted May 28, 2014 05:09 PM            

ASC: how it all begins
Zuni Indians Perform a Ritual to the Sun

It’s a meeting of two like-minded persons. We’re a Sag couple who like to celebrate life’s nature. We feel good being with each other, so naturally, we took another step toward each other.

IC - your shared cozy hidden secret
A Woman, Fecundated By her Own Spirit, is ‘Great with Child’

What we have together can’t be explained by logic or facts. What we create is greater than ourselves, a feat that would be deemed impossible, but we see it as a miracle.

DSC - how you are together
A Large White Dove Bearing A Message

We’re like lovebirds together Always there’s a sense of being blessed to have found each other.

MC - how do they see you
A symbolical Battle Between ‘Swords’ and ‘Torches’

As oppose to our love nest, to the outsiders we’re as different as day and night. They see the struggles as two headstrong individuals learn to be a duo.

Sun - what this is all about
The Head Of A Robust Youth Changes Into That Of A Mature Thinker

Although not young in age, we still haven’t learned to be responsible adults. Through this relationship, we discover true maturity. We already have the tools within us, we just need the right person to push us in that direction, and we certainly found that in each other.

Moon - the deepest you could feel
During A Silent Hour, A Man Receives A New Inspiration Which May Change His Life

After all that chaos fighting and struggling, when we calm down, we realize this romance has a will of its own. It wants us to change who we used to be. But dare we take that chance? Are we brave enough to do it?

Venus - how your love is
A clear mountain stream

It is as pure as rain, as fresh as water. And it will still flow as long as rain still falls, and water still transforms in cycles.

Mars - how your bodies meet
The First Mockingbird of Spring

Everytime we hold hands, it feels like the first time. Hope is in the air, and something better is about to happen.

Mercury - the idea that holds you together
The Head Of A Robust Youth Changes Into That Of A Mature Thinker

It’s because we grow together, that we think there’s still so much to learn with each other. It’s being a better person, a new view on practical life, taking responsibility isn’t as gruesome as we thought it was when we have the other in our lives.

Jupiter - your greatest chance
A Watchdog Stands Guard, Protecting His Master and his Possessions

Our greatest chance is by safeguard what we create together, our little secret nest. By loyalty to our true selves and our relationship, we will go that long, long distance.

Saturn - your fate together
After Having Heard An Inspired Individual Deliver His ‘Sermon On the Mount’, Crowds Are Returning Home

Being two Sags, we both long to travel and meet people, to discover life. No matter we take the adventures together or not, as the saying ‘to journey away is to come back closer’, we’ll always come back to us.

Pluto - this you will transform only together
A House-Raising party in a Small Village Enlists the Neighbors’ Cooperation

The power is in our hands. We can do anything that we set our mind to. We gain supports by first changing ourselves.

Uranus - what's unexpected
Sea Gulls Fly Around A ship In Expectation of Food

As the love is so cozy and natural, we didn’t foresee to have to deal with so much expectations from our families, our friends, and even our practical lives. They make us lost track of how we are together. As our love nest is not build on logic, it won’t fit in with social expectations.

Neptune - your shared dream
A Human Soul, In its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment

Two childlike Sags, we long to experience all that life has to offer. This is what makes us travel, sometimes away from our sweetheart and it makes us stronger instead of leaves us crumbled.

SN - how you met
A Path Through Woods Brilliant with Multicolored Splendor

Our meeting is being guided and blessed. There’s no way we would have passed through each other unoticed.

NN - where you are headed
A Woman Airing An Old Bag Through The Open Window Of Her Room

It’s a journey of shedding old mindset baggages that hold us down. And if we choose to seize this opportunity, a door will open for us to find each other again.

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posted May 28, 2014 05:29 PM            

Wow...Mars lol unbelievable...and everything else.

posted May 28, 2014 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm so moved by your story, Tulipe.... sending all my love to you.

Wow...Mars lol unbelievable...and everything else.

But didn't you say you met in the woods near the campus or am I mixing up things?

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Thanks Leeloo, my spectator, and now my Love Mod, yoooohoooo!! You have such a great memory, there's a woods involved

posted May 28, 2014 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Thanks Leeloo, my spectator, and now my Love Mod, yoooohoooo!! You have such a great memory, there's a woods involved

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Well, it means SN really shows how you two met! yoohoooo

posted May 31, 2014 07:47 AM            

IC - your shared cozy hidden secret
There is an exact conjunction of PLUTO and PROSERPINA on the degree of IC, with VESTA on the neighbouring degree, ATLANTIS and VALENTINE each about 2-3 degrees off it, so I will list the Sabians of all.

IC-Pluto-PROSERPINA
A Woman Feeding Chickens And Protecting Them From The Hawks

VESTA
A Blazing Fireplace In A Deserted Home

ATLANTIS
Three "Old Masters" Hanging On The Wall Of A Special Room In An Art Gallery

VALENTINE
Around A Campfire A Group Of Young People Sit In Spiritual Communion

DSC - how you are together
An Old Adobe Mission In California

MC - how do they see you
A Man Succeeds In Expressing Himself Simultaneously In Two Realms

Sun - what this is all about
conjunct EROS by 2 degrees

Sun:
Three Rose Windows In A Gothic Church, One Damaged By War

EROS
A Group Of People Outfitting A Large Canoe At The Start Of A Journey By Water

Moon - the deepest you could feel
Mercury - the idea that holds you together
(same degree, also in composite, both)

A Group Of Immigrants As They Fulfill The Requirements Of Entrance Into The New Country

Venus - how your love is
A Man Who Had For A Time Become The Embodiment Of A Popular Ideal Is Made To Realize That As A Person He Is Not This Ideal

conjunct
Jupiter - your greatest chance
A Barometer

conjunct ALMA
A Flag Is Seen Turning Into An Eagle

(all in 7th house)

Mars - how your bodies meet
A Duck Pond And Its Brood

Saturn - your fate together
A Man On A Magic Carpet Hovers Over A Large Area Of Land

Uranus - what's unexpected
A Man Becoming Aware Of Spiritual Forces Surrounding And Assisting Him

Neptune - your shared dream
A Mother Leads Her Small Child Step By Step Up A Steep Stairway

SN - how you met
The First Mockingbird Of Spring

NN - where you are headed
Fat Boy Mowing The Lawn Of His House On An Elegant Suburban Street

conj. PALLAS
An Old Bridge Over A Beautiful Stream Is Still In Constant Use

some asteroids:

SIVA opposite KAALI Exact

SIVA
A Man Becoming Aware Of Nature Spirits And Normally Unseen Spiritual Agencies

KAALI
A Church Bazaar

PSYCHE on GC
A Sculptor At His Work

LUST on AP
In A Collection Of Perfect Specimens Of Many Biological Forms, A Butterfly Displays The Beauty Of Its Wings, Its Body Impaled By A Fine Dart

AMOR
A Pugilist Enters The Ring

JUNO
A Fire Worshipper Meditates On The Ultimate Realities Of Existence

CERES
A Repressed Woman Finds A Psychological Release In Nudism

posted May 31, 2014 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Awe.....this is so awesome!! I love this thread.....

LeeLoo, your story sounds so sweet!!
I can't get over the first line, "It all begins in a world of dreams where we first met!!!"

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posted May 31, 2014 09:22 AM            

IC - your shared cozy hidden secret
Leo 23: A bareback rider
Ummm, that's self explanatory....

DSC - how you are together
Sagittarius 14: The Pyramids and the Sphinx
We are not satisfied with simple things. We search for depth, understanding, we want to know what's hidden under the surface, what they buried to hide from us, we want whats taboo and sometimes scary....we want answers to the unanswered questions, n if we can't find the answer...we just make up our own answers, the more absurd they are, the better they are!

MC - how they see you
Aquarius 23: A big bear sitting down, waving all its paws
Ummmm....we are friendly and cuddly to!

Sun - what this is all about
Aquarius 20: A big white dove, a message bearer
We are together to inspire, teach and help each other find their truest purpose.

Moon - the deepest you could feel
Aries 27: Lost opportunity regained through the imagination
We thought we lost each other. We went off alone and were forced to grow...forced to find a new way to see life caused us to see each other again. We realized we never actually lost each other, we had only lost sight of each other.

Venus - how your love is
Aquarius 5: A council of ancestors
Old....our love is old, it's ancient, been around for a long time...as all old soul/soulmate love has been and it gives much needed guidance.

Mars - how your bodies meet
Sagittarius 28: An old bridge over a beautiful stream
We flow together like we were built only for each other, we compliment and enhance each other as we make life easier and more comfortable for everyone that comes into contact with us.

Mercury - the idea that holds you together
Aquarius 28: A tree felled and sawed
We are cutting down the old and creating something new, we store what's useful until it's needed.

Jupiter - your greatest chance
Capricorn 27: A mountain pilgrimage
A simple life.....living off the land, no pollution or contamination just purity.

Saturn - your fate together
Gemini 14: A conversation by telepathy
Reading each other's minds....

Pluto - this you will transform only together
Libra 4: A group around a campfire
Bringing ppl together, breaking new ground...turning fluffy white marshmallows into gooey messes with chocolate and graham crackers n then smearing them in each other faces....

Uranus - what's unexpected
Libra 23: Chanticleer
Announcing a new day, a new way of life, new chances for happiness..

Neptune - your shared dream
Sagittarius 7: Cupid knocking at the door
Getting struck by Cupids arrow, falling deeply in love.

SN - how you met
"A man before a square with a manuscript scroll before him" 16 Cancer
Searching for deeper meaning, looking for something more, about to write off love...when love appeared

NN - where you are headed
Capricorn 16: Boys and girls in gymnasium suits
Carefree and happy.....

Eros-
Aries 19: The magic carpet((ride))
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

posted May 31, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Where did that Flying Love House come from, Ceri? Moon Mercury Psyche Pallas....hahahahahahaha! unbelievable!

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exhausting karmic thingy I suppose

posted May 31, 2014 10:13 AM            

ASC - how it all begins
Gemini 4: Holly and mistletoe
The clinging vine...a clingy person

IC - your shared cozy hidden secret
Leo 13: An old sea captain rocking
He's old....

DSC - how you are together
Sagittarius 4: A little child learning to walk
Inexperienced....

MC - how they see you
Aquarius 13: A barometer
High pressure...

Sun - what this is all about
Sagittarius 10: A golden-haired goddess of opportunity
Bleached hair....?

Moon - the deepest you could feel
Gemini 19: A large archaic volume
Old and out of date....

Venus - how your love is
Sabian Symbol: An American Indian encampment rests by the side of a canoe-filled stream and on shore the war dance commences.
Love is a battlefield....you might get scalped

Mars - how your bodies meet
Pisces 15 Sabian Symbol: An officer in unkempt campaign uniform is preparing to drill his men dressed in military tops quite worn for wear.
Getting drilled in worn out clothes....

Mercury - the idea that holds you together
Saggitarius 28 Sabian Symbol: A splendidly built bridge, a heritage of unknown ages, still spans the beautiful and wildly primitive stream.
Getting ran over.....jumping off the bridge

Jupiter - your greatest chance
Saggitarius 16 Sabian Symbol: A peaceful scene is unfolded to the view: A calm ocean, a single motionless ship, a few lazy soaring seagulls.
Laziness....won't move...bird poop

Saturn - your fate together
Gemini 2 Sabian Symbol: A nervous gentleman dressed in an elaborate Santa Claus costume is filling Christmas stockings furtively.
Old fat guy that needs to shave in an ugly red suit

Pluto - this you will transform only together
Libra 2 Sabian Symbol: A new symphony is played by the orchestra; the music dramatizes racial progress from aspiration to realization.
Drama.....Yawn, and all at the same time

Uranus - what's unexpected
Libra 17 Sabian Symbol: A retired sea-captain, still resplendent in his uniform, frequents the docks from which the world's commerce departs.
More old guys? This was far from unexpected!

Neptune - your shared dream
Saggitarius 3 Sabian Symbol: Two men, lounging in the comfort of an old drawing room, and with strong pipes, are playing a game of chess.
Ignoring women....

SN - how you met
Leo 7 Sabian Symbol: The night heavens are seen in their wonder as on the desert when the moon is dark; the constellations are at play.
Showing off....

NN - where you are headed
Aquarius 7 Sabian Symbol: In a phantasy presented by the children of an exclusive school a huge egg cracks to reveal a cherubic miss.
A big mess I have to clean up....

posted May 31, 2014 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Interesting, Gabby,
I would have interpreted these symbols totally different. But I guess that is how our personal connection to a relationship shapes the way we see it, probably.

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posted May 31, 2014 10:32 AM            

The first one with christmas-mentioning, always like that one. Feels like warm comfortable nostalgia to me, back to a time when everything was somehow easier, comfortable, protected, warm.

posted May 31, 2014 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Not realy researching either, just using them to spark an idea or image, which most probably comes from what I already know inside, but they help getting it to the surface.

The first one with christmas-mentioning, always like that one. Feels like warm comfortable nostalgia to me, back to a time when everything was somehow easier, comfortable, protected, warm.

But I am aware that I was lucky to have such great chrhistmas memories.

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Ugh, I'm showing my lack of holiday spirit aren't i??
I never got to celebrate holidays so I don't have any warm fuzzy memories, I wish I did!
I've tried as an adult to figure out what your supposed to feel but so far it just feels like a lot of money for toys that might get played with for a week, a lot of cooking(nobody taught me how to cook a Christmas dinner, lol, I figured it out but the 1st one...OMG, very bad!) and cleaning and more cleaning.
Last year we started a new tradition, Christmas lasagna! It was great!
No one in my family celebrates so it's just me n my kids, I feel so bad for them because I don't have a clue what I'm doing! Lol