posted May 30, 2014 01:32 PM            

since stuyding astrology I've noticed that almost every astrologer follows his own "score sheet" when it comes to interpretations of synastries and composite charts.
Some say sun/moon aspects are crucial, some say they are not; some say venus/mars must be there, some say that's not necessary; some say they planets in the 7th house have to be there, etc..
So far I've come to the conclusion that almost all of the following have to be in a happy, functional synastry/relationship

1) sun/moon: either direct connections or the rulers have to be involved or the sun/moon midpoint has to be "touched"

2) shared aspects: you need to understand each other

3) Saturn has to make an aspect to an angle or personal planet; even wide squares can be count

4) angle (esp. descendant) connections: either direct or by rulers.

5) Look what the Partner A needs and look if Partner B would be capable of satisfying Partner A needs.

6) any other feelings aside sun/moon? Look if there's passion (venus/mars or venus/Pluto) and if there are "more" feelings such as sun/venus and venus/moon.

7) Vesta/Ceres/Juno = those asteroids have to make strong aspects

8) Vertex and or POF have to be involved in oustanding aspects.

posted May 30, 2014 02:34 PM            

actually I have been thinking for more than a week about publishing or even writing down a score sheet, (just for an overview, not an in depth analysis necessarily).

posted May 30, 2014 02:54 PM            

A real synastric deduction, score sheet and all would have to take into account the natals as well as the synastric patterns and composite and all in between, but specific things, and my poor brain can`t summarize all the detail information floating around in my brain just now.

posted May 30, 2014 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Enneline and Ceri, are you also thinking about actual points?

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posted May 30, 2014 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Such as...?

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posted May 30, 2014 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I meant giving a score for the aspects.

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Ah okay

posted May 30, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Ah okay

No, all 8 Points that I listed are of importance

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Yes, I agree, they definitely are

posted May 30, 2014 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, I agree, they definitely are

Vesta Ceres Juno are indeed aspected in significant synastries. In many good synastries I've seen they are often on the angles, at least one of them.

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LOL

I suppose even that is the case with Mr Sag and me. His Ceres sits on my IC (and trines my ASC exactly)

Actually his Ceres is sitting on a power spot in my chart, with a lot of aspects like

conjunct IC
opposite Pluto
square Venus
trine Mars/Neptune/NN/ASC

my Vesta on the other hand
conjuncts his MC (you know Vesta would make her reappearance, right?)

conjuncts his Moon
conjuncts his Sun widely (4-5)
trine his Vesta
trine his NN (Grand trine)
square his Vertex-Saturn

posted May 30, 2014 04:09 PM            

My parents have it too, and several other long-term loveydovey lol couples

posted May 30, 2014 04:13 PM            

0.32 (Neptune) and 0.19 (NN)

and I also love the ceres aspects

my Ceres
conjunct his Sun-Mercury

his ceres
conjuncts my Venus (and squares my Pluto)

now now now, coincidence, that someone`s Ceres ends up triggering my natal Venus-Pluto-square just once again? (and just think about the mythological connection between Cres and Pluto. lol)

As a matter of fact even Jude fits in here, too.

His Ceres semisquares my Venus AND my Pluto, which effectively puts his Ceres right on my Venus/Pluto-mp with an orb of only 9 minutes of arc!

posted May 30, 2014 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
IC is like the perfect place for Ceres, of all angles

My parents have it too, and several other long-term loveydovey lol couples

I was surprised to see Ceres at the beginning of your post, I was expecting Vesta, but then I scrolled down and felt relieved

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I love Ceres on IC, in Aries. lol

But never mind, if it wasn`t me we were talking about, I would say ther is a lot of caring involved, probably of the challenging, provocative kind (Aries, you know?)

my Ceres is very watery, in Pisces, and larger than life (conjunct Pholus and Jupiter, squaring Neptune and NN and ASC, oh and conj. Ishtar. lol)

Oh and my Ceres conjuncts Mr Sags Eros, never fails to make me chuckle, that one. lol

Greatly involved in the composite as well, along with Juno, Moon and Valentine and Isis.

posted May 30, 2014 04:27 PM            

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the black line through it is the midpoint-line of this configuration.

Would it surprise you if I told you we met when Transiting Chiron and NN were BOTH on 21 Aquarius?=

posted May 30, 2014 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

His Ceres semisquares my Venus AND my Pluto, which effectively puts his Ceres right on my Venus/Pluto-mp with an orb of only 9 minutes of arc!

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that's a good one! you know how I love this kind of midpoints

Yesterday it suprised me to see how his Vesta is conjunct my NN-Neptune (and ASC).

posted May 30, 2014 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, I agree, they definitely are

Vesta Ceres Juno are indeed aspected in significant synastries. In many good synastries I've seen they are often on the angles, at least one of them.

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posted May 30, 2014 05:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
this is the picutre (I will return back to the topic just in a few minutes, promise. lol)

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the black line through it is the midpoint-line of this configuration.

Would it surprise you if I told you we met when Transiting Chiron and NN were BOTH on 21 Aquarius?=

And Transiting Neptune on 24 Aquarius (on our composite Avx-Psyche and pr compospite Venus exact), Transiting Jupiter on 22 Capricorn, Transiting Uranus on 23 Pisces.

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posted May 31, 2014 01:25 PM            

I checked my parent`s synastry with your score-sheet.

1)
his Moon opposes her Sun with 2 degrees
her Venus conjuncts his Sun/Moon-mp exact
(for those who use it her Sun semisquares it as well exact)

2)
My Dad is an Aquarius, Mom a Scorpio. Sun-square-tight.

However, my Dad also has Moon in Taurus in 8th house and Pluto opposes his Aquarius-Venus.

my Mom on the other hand has Uranus in 1st hous conjunct her Cancer-ASC.

In fact Uranus sextiles her Venus-Mars-conjunction in Virgo (on my Dad`s ASC), and my Dad`s Venus-Pluto-opposition makes a boomerang Yod with this sextile of hers.

her Uranus: 14 Cancer
(her ASC: 11 Cancer)

her Venus: 18 Virgo
her Mars: 14 Virgo

his Venus: 14 Aquarius
his Jupiter: 12 Aquarius

his Pluto: 17 Leo

(his ASC: 18 Virgo
his Saturn: 18 Virgo)

3) Saturn? A lot of it, and it is relationship-relevant especially for them, because Saturn rules my Mom`s 7th and 8th house and my Dad`s 5th.

his Saturn semisquare her Sun exact
his Saturn conjunct her Venus exact
his Saturn conjunct her Mars widely - 5 degrees

her Saturn trine his Sun (3,5)
her Saturn trine his Venus very widely (5)
her Saturn conjunct his Mars exact
her Saturn conjunct his SN exact

4) no direct angle activation

his ASC-and MC-ruler square her MC ruler exact
his DESC ruler conjunct her MC-ruler (2)
his ICruler trine her DESC-ruler (3)
his IC-ruler square her IC-ruler exact

5)
I think so, yes.

My Dad has Venus in Aquarius opposite Pluto-
Mum has Uranus conjunct ASC, and Scorpio Sun

his 5th house ruler is in Virgo - exactly conjunct her Venus (and she also has MOon and Mars in Virgo)

his DESC is in Pisces - My Mum is anything but Neptunian. lol
However, her MC-NN is in Pisces

my Mum`s Venus is in Virgo - conjunct his ASC exactly

my Mum`s DESC in Capricorn - my Dad has Saturn conj. ASC trine chartrule rin Capricorn

my Mum`s 7th house ruler is in Libra - conjunct my Dad`s Mars exactly

my Mum`s 5th house ruler conjunctsh is ASC-Saturn-exactly, trine his ASC-ruler.

they have 5th house rulers and 8th house rulers exactly conjunct. my mum`s 7th house rulr conjuncts his 8th house ruler exactly, too.

posted May 31, 2014 01:29 PM            

his Venus sesiuares her Moon exact
her Venus sesisquares his Moon with just under 2 degrees

- it makes a Bear Hug pattern, as my Dad`s Moon and Venus surround / embrace my Mom`s planets, which of course means their Moon/Venus-midpoints are conjunct or opposite.

his: 22.45 Pisces
hers: 23.16 Virgo

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his Vesta sesisquares her Saturn exactly
his Vesta opposite her Pluto (1)

his Ceres trine her Jupiter (2)

her Ceres sextile his MOon (1)
her Ceres conjuncts his vertex exact

his Juno opposite her Jupiter (1)
his Juno conjunct her Saturn widely (4)

her Juno sextile his Venus and Jupiter ex.
her Juno conjunct his IC exact

8)

her POF opposies his Venus (2)
his POF squares her Venus (3)

his Vertex conjunct her Ceres exact

posted May 31, 2014 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:

1) sun/moon: either direct connections or the rulers have to be involved or the sun/moon midpoint has to be "touched"

2) shared aspects: you need to understand each other

3) Saturn has to make an aspect to an angle or personal planet; even wide squares can be count

4) angle (esp. descendant) connections: either direct or by rulers.

5) Look what the Partner A needs and look if Partner B would be capable of satisfying Partner A needs.

6) any other feelings aside sun/moon? Look if there's passion (venus/mars or venus/Pluto) and if there are "more" feelings such as sun/venus and venus/moon.

7) Vesta/Ceres/Juno = those asteroids have to make strong aspects

8) Vertex and or POF have to be involved in oustanding aspects.

And what's your score sheet?

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1: I have my 23 d virgo sun opposite his 17 d pisces moon, and my 29 degree pisces moon is opposite his 9 d libra sun so it's almost double whammy…

2: We have many shared aspects, like sun-mars, venus-uranus, mercury-saturn, moon-mars etc.

3: Plenty of saturn, but harsh aspects unfortunately… sun square saturn and sun trine saturn + saturn square venus and others

4. Jupiter conjunction ascendant, saturn and uranus opposite ascendant, moon conjunction MC

5. We have moon conjunction moon (though it's a wide degree) but I think we both need the same emotionally spoken, but we have very different venus and mars (I'm scorp venus and virgo mars, he is libra venus and gemini mars)

6: we have venus conjunction mars, but not any pluto aspects besides moon and ascendant trine pluto

7. good ones, gonna check up on them

8: what is POF???

posted May 31, 2014 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:

1) sun/moon: either direct connections or the rulers have to be involved or the sun/moon midpoint has to be "touched"

2) shared aspects: you need to understand each other

3) Saturn has to make an aspect to an angle or personal planet; even wide squares can be count

4) angle (esp. descendant) connections: either direct or by rulers.

5) Look what the Partner A needs and look if Partner B would be capable of satisfying Partner A needs.

6) any other feelings aside sun/moon? Look if there's passion (venus/mars or venus/Pluto) and if there are "more" feelings such as sun/venus and venus/moon.

7) Vesta/Ceres/Juno = those asteroids have to make strong aspects

8) Vertex and or POF have to be involved in oustanding aspects.

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1) Luminaries: My SUN is trine his MOON (5°). We have MOON opp MOON (1°), and they are also contraparallel.

2) Shared aspects: We both have VENUS at our own SUN-MOON midpoint, making it a sensitive point. We both have MARS in hard aspect to JUPITER (mine square, his conj). We both have VENUS in aspect to MARS (mine sextile, his opp). We both have VENUS in aspect to CHIRON (mine opp, his sextile).

3) Saturn: His SATURN is sextile my MERCURY-URANUS-MC (1°). My SATURN is trine his SUN-MERCURY (4°). My SATURN is quincunx his VENUS (1°).

4) Angles/rulers: We share angles in the fixed signs (Aqu, Tau, Leo, Gem). My AC/DC angle is conj his IC/MC angle (1°). My 7R (SUN) is square his 7R (VENUS) (3°). My VENUS is widely opp his Venus-ruled DC (6°). His SUN is widely opp my Sun-ruled DC (10°).

5) Compliments: We both have a watery VENUS and an earthy MARS, my airy MOON compliments his airy SUN, and his fiery MOON compliments my fiery SUN. His Aquarius MERCURY compliments my MERCURY-URANUS conj.

6) Other Venus contacts: We have VENUS trine VENUS (2°). My SUN is square his VENUS (2°). We have VENUS sextile MARS double whammy.

7) Vesta/Ceres/Juno: We have VENUS opp VESTA double whammy. His CERES is opp my MOON (2°). My CERES is opp his SUN (5°). We have JUNO square JUNO (3°).

8) Vertex/POF: His VENUS is conj my ANTIVERTEX (0°). My SUN is conj his ANTIVERTEX (1°). We have VERTEX square VERTEX (3°). We have POF trine POF (3°).

Other: My SUN is square his JUPITER (1°). His SUN is trine my JUPITER (4°). We have MARS trine MARS (7°).

I'm sure I'm missing something here, but I've not had a stronger synastry with anyone. There is astrological geometry everywhere. A mystic rectangle, a yod, a grand trine, and a diamond.

posted June 01, 2014 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
[B] 8: what is POF???
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POF = Part of Fortune

posted June 01, 2014 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
@Ceridwen: How's the marriage of your parents?

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They just had their 40th wedding day on 24th march, and been on a trip to Italy (their honeymoon-trip was to Italy, too).

They do clash temperamentally occasionally, usually because my Dad can be rather playful, and my Mom is not so much.
But it is more or less just banter between them; they are still very much in love as it seems, choose to spend a lot of time with each other, if there is a possibility to, especially going on trips together.
While of course not all was rosy in the past (they have taken on quite a bit family-responsibility as a couple), they were in it together.

I think the most strained phase in their relationship was when my Dad was being transferred to another city for 6 weeks or so; he still drove all the 1000 kilometres home every weekend, but I think they are just not used to be separated from each other more than a few days at most; and though my mom sometimes complains after his retirment my Dad is following her around anywhere, I think if he didn`t, it wouldn`t be right either.

They are still being very affectionate with each other, holding hands, dancing whnever they can, hugging and whatelse (not wanting to think too much about it, but not sure why a woman in her early 50`s would need a pregnancy test. eww, TMI, thank you, Mom - though it is been a good 10 years ago now).

Apart from that I wouldn`t call them friends, but more a team, partners. They always discuss things out, always. To the point that they often switch off the TV, cause it distracts them and disturbs them while talking.