posted June 03, 2014 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wow! He's born in 1980, isn't he? With that JUP-SAT conjunction, he's got to be. Mid-November?

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posted June 03, 2014 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I would say you might be Twin Flames that aren't here for Reunion. There are markers which show a very strong connexion, with certain absolute features missing.

It's one of those, 'SO close!' composites. You can tell there's a pull there. Perhaps you were together to 'touch off' of each other, as I like to say.

But, yes. It's VERY difficult to ignore the pull to your Twin. Even more so, honestly, if you're supposed to Reunite. Sigh.

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Yes we are twinflames but have a lot karmic soulmate relationship karma that we both have to work out with other soulmates...

I know we met prematurely, I knew when I was asking the universe to put him in path that I was been impulsive and pushing something to happen sooner than it was suppose to..

so yes your description fits....like we are not meant to reunite in this life...

We both have to burn off a lot of karmic soulmate relationship stuff with other soulmates first.

What do you mean by "touch off" of each other???

Would love to hear your input on that. Thanks for replying.

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posted June 03, 2014 10:14 PM            

Incidentally, I was born in 1980, October. I recognise that configuration well.

Note the intense clustering in the 1H; iQ calls this a journey of convergence. The entire purpose of the relationship is to be together. Period. Something that's not easy to accept, as I have other karma to resolve.

The second includes certain soulmate pairings. Our closest is ISIS and OSIRIS, 1°.

Another reunion marker we've found through focussed research is ALMA conjunct JUNO. It's natal for us both, and exact in our composite.

Other features are, yes, the packed 12H; namely the stellium of SATURN, PLUTO, ATLANTIS, and LUST.

Also, our EROS on the GC with NEPTUNE is an indicator of Tantric sexual union. (Which, given certain metaphysical experiences ... would not surprise me.) Fortunately, I'm learning that now.

The 'backup' soulmate pairings are:

EROS trine PSYCHE (2°50, within orb)
SIVA conjunct PARVATI (3°, wide)
KAALI conjunct RUDRA (3° out of orb)

He suspected we might also have APHRODITE conjunct JUNO-ALMA, which we do, as well as THISBE and PYRAMUS. It's trine.

Supposedly, we can use the EROS-PSYCHE trine to resolve the painful tragedy of the THISBE-PYRAMUS.

posted June 03, 2014 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
What I find interesting about this composite is not the asteroids LOL.......

Is the stellium opposing venus/chiron/jupiter!

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Oh, I know, right? The fact that VENUS-JUPITER flipped and joined CHIRON - essentially softening the intense opposition in the GT? It IS curious!

It's as if we must've, maybe, possibly, done SOMETHING right, in order to have JUPITER and VENUS join the Scorpgasboard, so to speak.

posted June 03, 2014 10:45 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Did you respond with two composites involving yourself and who? or with one composite and your natal?

Are you saying that a reunion composite would have a stellium involving the 12th and the 1st??

Wait, in addition..

I think you are trying to proof a point about the importance of key asteroids filling in the gaps to make a potent stellium....

Please clarify...

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These are both GT composites of me and my Twin. One simply includes a few other key points. The first is the one iQ evaluated; the second is what was yielded from the research we've all done. I began including the points he saw as significant statistically.

It's the intense 1H stellium, yes, but the fact it largely includes the entire chart, save for MARS.

The ASC, SUN and MOON are conjunct with VALENTINE and JUPITER. KARMA is conjunct DESTINN from the 12H, and 5° from the ASC.

URANUS and MERCURY are also in the stellium, but wide. NEPTUNE and EROS are too far to conjoin, but are a bridge to MARS.

posted June 03, 2014 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
You have responded, disregards..will comment soon on your interesting input! Thank you!

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posted June 03, 2014 11:41 PM            

I adjusted the time and chart changed a little bit, jupiter is now in the 1st...

I also added some asteroids and I think is really nice our tsquare involving venus/atlantis, moon and neptune/spirit... in addition the 12th house stellium, notice Atlantis conjuncts exact our venus........I suppose for it to be a TF that reunites the first house should have been a lot more packed but like I said I know in my heart that reunion is not happening this life........but just to clarify what exactly do you mean by reunion. Here is our composite with more accurate times and some asteroids, please share any new input from this composite.

We have isis conjunct exact priapus in synastry and my ophelia conjuncts exact his venus and his alma by one orb. I have to explore more asteroids but in this short period put in some that are relevant to us.........

posted June 03, 2014 11:46 PM            

It just seems like we are working our way to the first house so perhaps in our next life the reunion will happen...

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Note the neptune/spirit is 3 orbs or less conjunct galactic center..

posted June 04, 2014 04:29 AM            

VERTEX-SNODE is to be expected with karmic relationships. It's a clear indicator you have past history.

To answer your earlier question, I think the JUNO conjunct ALMA natally is what most points to having a Twin Flame-oriented soul mission, so to speak.

posted June 04, 2014 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
How confident are you in his birth time?

VERTEX-SNODE is to be expected with karmic relationships. It's a clear indicator you have past history.

To answer your earlier question, I think the JUNO conjunct ALMA natally is what most points to having a Twin Flame-oriented soul mission, so to speak.

For Reuniting Twins, I'd expect the orbs to be very close, along with the 'journey of convergence' which iQ identified.

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So TF have never met before in previous lifes?? Are TF relationships not focused strongly on romantic or sexual feelings since you said your TF and you have been best friends and companions who collaborate together?

As for Juno conjunct Alma natally my ex has Juno conjunct Alma by 3 orbs and this conjuncts his venus; also his alma,venus and juno all conjunct my ophelia but I need to research my asteroids in general more to see if his juno/venus/alma conjunct another asteroid of mine, perhaps a couples asteroid.

In addition my juno conjuncts my alma but by sign only. My alma opposes his sun by 3 degrees and my psyche conjuncts his sun by 1 degree.

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My husband has Alma in virgo 28 degrees conjunct his Juno in virgo 29 degrees by one orb and this conjunction conjuncts my Sun in virgo at 28 degrees. In fact his alma is at 28 2 degrees and my Sun is at 28 5.

My husband has two couple asteroids conjunct in addition to his alma conjunct juno. He thinks I complete him and he has intercepted houses involving my sun and pisces and his intercepted jupiter conjuncts my sun in addition to his alma/juno conjuncting my sun....he is super sure about me and that I am the one.

Anyways with two couple asteroids conjunctions and alma conjunct juno he should meet his TF and I think he is far from meeting his TF; we are in karmic soulmate relationship.

I dont have a couple asteroids conjunct that I know of yet natally but I do have venus and mars conjunct by one orb and this conjunction forms a lot of aspects with my husband and my alma and juno conjunct by sign.

Add: My heart feels my ex is my TF and is hard to ignore this feeling and that my husband is a higher order karmic soulmate; its what my gut tells me!. My vertex conjuncts exact my ex NN but his vertex conjuncts exact my SN (he said he was born around 2AM). I dont think that automatically means we are not TF. I get that we don't have the 1h packed but 12 years have passed and we always seem to reunite and see each other even if several years pass in between.

posted June 04, 2014 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:

VERTEX-SNODE is to be expected with karmic relationships. It's a clear indicator you have past history.

I think the JUNO conjunct ALMA natally is what most points to having a Twin Flame-oriented soul mission, so to speak.
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Indigo,
I have a natal exact conjunction of Alma and Juno. What in another's chart would trigger the so called TW or even soulmate encounter?

also, someone's Venus is exactly conjuncting my Vertex/South Node midpoint. Do you think it bears any significance?

posted June 04, 2014 09:28 PM            

Getting involved with my husband was bc I wanted to continue growing and I felt been in a relationship would help with that and bc I wanted companionship.

When I was very little I knew I would have an all consuming love, a love so big it was bigger than everything type of thing (that is how I saw it as a child),

I was looking for that connection since I was little and did not stop until I met him and then I stopped.

I think we activated eachother in 2001 and then went our separate ways bc we needed to learn a lot more before truly and fully reuniting.

posted June 05, 2014 01:47 PM            

Anyway the Draco chart, though I prefer the term nodal chart, is the one that is the clearest indication of an ongoing deep soul-connection between two people.
Twinflames will ALWAYS have a very tight interlinked nodal chart, but so will have soulmates.
Terminology aside, the reason why I say this is a soul-connection-chart is because it is calculated with the nodal axis, which itself is a coming together/ interrelation between Sun, Moon and Earth - or in different terms spirit, soul and body.

Being calculated with the North Node, it also has a clear thrust into the future, into the direction we are being pulled to (or should go for our growth).

Draco aspects to each other (Draco - to Draco) is happening soley on a soul-level, subtle sometimes, like an undercurrent.

I do believe though that it needs to strongly be linked to the tropical chart, so the soul-dimension of this can pour into the actual manifestation level.

Also conjunctions and oppositions (and i only consider these) of Draco chart to tropical chart show where this soul-dimension touch our daily lives and pushes us right into our development, onto our path into the future.

his Draco Venus-Mars to your Draco Venus, Juno, Pluto seems very inteense. What a soul-vibration!
Very sexual too, though pobably mostly as an undercurrent. It would be interesting to see where or how it pours into the tropical, or is it floating around somehow without being anchored in the tropical?

Interesintly your Mars-Venus//Juno-Venus-Pluto stellium falls near to my Draco Moon on my tropical DESC And tropical SN 7 degrees and 10 degrees. lol

The Sun-Sun-conjunction along with Uranus is intriguing as well. I understand that it must feel like under the surface you are very similiar, or actually hae a similiar path.
I had something similiar with my guardian soulmate, if he was that. my Draco Sun closely cojuncts his tropical Sun. Actually my Draco Sun and Mercury wer ein the same sign as his tropical Sun and MErcury. My Draco Mars conjunct his tropical Mars. He was like a reflection to me. Reflecting back what I was stirring underneath.

However if that happens on the pure Draco level, I donīt think that people really reflect each other like that, but it is more like having a similiarity underneath.

Also interestingly there is a Chiron-Ceres and Chiron-Moon conjunction in the DRacos. Possibly a great vulnerability, maybe wounding, but also the possibility of healing for the nurturing, caring principle for both of you.

posted June 05, 2014 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'm saying the Draco positions are often mathematically derived from the Geo positions. Do you have Geo SUNs conjunct?

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They are ALWAYS mathematically derived from the Geo positions, as are all shifted charts.

HOWEVER, that doesn`t make them less impressive or significant.

Unless two people have the same North Node or very close together (could happen if people are only born like 3 months off each other), the Draco-DRaco-synastric-interaspects will be different from tropical synastry, at least if we take orbs into account, which I always do as you know.

The north node determines the difference any Draco Planet has from its tropical version. (angular distance from NN to 00 Aries)

In my case this angular distance is 110°.
In Mr Sag`s case it is about 150°.
An interesting thing I noticed and which makes sense mathematically of course is that the tropicals ynastry aspects that reflect your individual nodal arc are totally emphasized.

What I mean with that is this.
Mr Sag`s nodal arc is a quinkunx. (150 degrees), thus if there are quinkunxes in our synastry, they will get totally emphasized in the Draco-tropical synastry.

In our case his ISIS is quinkunx my OSIRIS exact. In the Draco conversion his Draco ISIS lands on my tropical OSIRIS exactly. That happens just because of his general nodal arc being a quinkunx and his ISIS being quinkunx my Osiris.

Or different example, Jude`s and my composite.
We have NN on 28 Sagittarius. So this is almost a square to the Aries point, hence all composite squares are highly charged, if I convert the composite to the Draco zodiac.

For example we have Siva on 27 Sagittarius square Kaali on 25 Pisces in tropical composite.
Now what hapens in Draco?

Draco Kaali on 27 Sagittarius, conj. tropical Siva
Draco Siva on 28 PIsces conj. tropical Kaali.

Or let`s look at the opposition of Saturn on 1 Cancer to Sun on 1 Capricorn, widely squaring Pluto on MC on 6 Libra (with Osiris on 6 Aries btw - karmic karmic karmic)

What happens in the Draco chart is this:
Draco Sun on 3 Aries (on tropical IC and opposing tropical Pluto)
Draco Saturn on 3 Libra.
Draco Pluto on 8 Capricorn (this one is a bit wide, but happens to fall onto my tropical natal Venus-Isis-Osiris and his natal tropical Sun-Parvati-Kaali).

All of this happens because the nodal arc is basically a square AND we have squares in the composite.

Had the nodal arc been a trine or sextile, composite trines or sextiles would have come up as conjunctions/oppositions from tropical to Draco.

This is pretty... significant. And mathematic starts becoming fascinating to me.

However, if two people are Twinflames, I believe it must or it will be seen in the tropical charts already. If it is not being inscripted there, I donīt believe it is true. And no, if it is ONLY indicated by asteroids, that is not enough.

Where asteroids and Draco and helios become so important is in analyzing the specific situation and bond between two people. But not as a justification or indicator to say if they are xxxx or they are not xxxx.

posted June 05, 2014 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why do you want this to be deleted?

Anyway the Draco chart, though I prefer the term nodal chart, is the one that is the clearest indication of an ongoing deep soul-connection between two people.
Twinflames will ALWAYS have a very tight interlinked nodal chart, but so will have soulmates.
Terminology aside, the reason why I say this is a soul-connection-chart is because it is calculated with the nodal axis, which itself is a coming together/ interrelation between Sun, Moon and Earth - or in different terms spirit, soul and body.

Being calculated with the North Node, it also has a clear thrust into the future, into the direction we are being pulled to (or should go for our growth).

Draco aspects to each other (Draco - to Draco) is happening soley on a soul-level, subtle sometimes, like an undercurrent.

I do believe though that it needs to strongly be linked to the tropical chart, so the soul-dimension of this can pour into the actual manifestation level.

Also conjunctions and oppositions (and i only consider these) of Draco chart to tropical chart show where this soul-dimension touch our daily lives and pushes us right into our development, onto our path into the future.

his Draco Venus-Mars to your Draco Venus, Juno, Pluto seems very inteense. What a soul-vibration!
Very sexual too, though pobably mostly as an undercurrent. It would be interesting to see where or how it pours into the tropical, or is it floating around somehow without being anchored in the tropical?

Interesintly your Mars-Venus//Juno-Venus-Pluto stellium falls near to my Draco Moon on my tropical DESC And tropical SN 7 degrees and 10 degrees. lol

The Sun-Sun-conjunction along with Uranus is intriguing as well. I understand that it must feel like under the surface you are very similiar, or actually hae a similiar path.
I had something similiar with my guardian soulmate, if he was that. my Draco Sun closely cojuncts his tropical Sun. Actually my Draco Sun and Mercury wer ein the same sign as his tropical Sun and MErcury. My Draco Mars conjunct his tropical Mars. He was like a reflection to me. Reflecting back what I was stirring underneath.

However if that happens on the pure Draco level, I donīt think that people really reflect each other like that, but it is more like having a similiarity underneath.

Also interestingly there is a Chiron-Ceres and Chiron-Moon conjunction in the DRacos. Possibly a great vulnerability, maybe wounding, but also the possibility of healing for the nurturing, caring principle for both of you.

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Thanks for responding, this has been IMMENSELY helpful, I have been trying to figure out astrologically why things played out the way they did for us bc the soul connection I have with him is unbreakable. He touched ME on a soul level like nobody has ever and I belief I also touched him deeply on a soul level and neither of us will be able to forget each other as a result and I think this is all the nodal to nodal aspects.

About your observation that the connection is very sexual that is true but in a very beautiful soul like way...I wanted to merge with him so intensely and It took a lot of self restrain to make him wait 2 to 3 months but well worth it. 12 years have passed and still today when I connect to him soul wise psychically I get very turned on and I feel it that it happens to him too. That is the hardest thing to turn off about our connection...I am not super psychic, is with him that I am very in tune, its too easy to connect with him so is like he is there even though he is no there. Is NOT like I can tell he is doing this and that right now but I can feel when he is pain or when he is missing merging with me or certain things he feels or thoughts but normally in connection to me and I feel he feels it when I am in pain, it goes both ways this thing.

I think that is how our nodal to nodal manifests and yes it involves this strong sexual attraction and years pass and then we see each other and we have to be together in that way bc its like this magnetic thing..

I feel at home when I am with him, I think that is also a nodal to nodal thing and perhaps coupled with the moon conjunct moon in our tropics. I like going to him more than anyone else when I am at my lowest; IDK how to explain that but is just the best thing to be able to go to him at critical times..

THE EPIPHANY THANKS TO YOU:

The reason why we are not together is not because of our tropic to tropic (ITS NICE) or our nodal to nodal (VERY NICE), you have made me realize that what did it is the nodal to tropic (OMG) and I have been looking for this AHA moment for a long time so THANK YOU. We don't have a lot of nodal to tropic but we have a few definitely and it explains what I have been for SO LONG trying to understand!

We have nodal to tropic Double Whammys:

-His nodal juno conjuncts my chiron tropic exact.

-My nodal juno squares his tropic chiron exact as well.

Also,

-His nodal chiron conjuncts my tropic juno by 5 orbs ....

-my nodal chiron conjuncts his tropic moon by 4 orbs

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-his nodal moon conjuncts exact my tropic saturn.

We both were in love and talked about marriage and desired this!! but it did not manifest itself and we both live with that regret, he even expressed it a few years ago and I think that the juno-chiron double whammy explains this.

I am so glad this did not get deleted and you responded, I knew that meeting was heavily fated and so was the ending but I have been looking for explanation as to why it ended and this gives me a peace of mind; knowing why, what did it exactly.