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amelia28
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posted June 01, 2014 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok so I decided to check out my exe's draconic today and I was not expecting this but a lot our planets conjunct each other.

His draco sun conjuncts my draco sun.

His draco vertex conjuncts my draco MC.

His draco venus conjunct pluto conjuncts my draco venus and mars.

His draco Juno conjuncts my draco venus and mars.

His draco mars and neptune conjuncts my draco pluto and saturn.

His draco moon sextiles his draco moon by one orb.

My draco moon conjuncts his draco chiron.

Last but this is wider orb his draco lilith conjuncts my draco mars by 5 orbs.

There might be other aspects but I focused on conjunctions.

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I guess my question is what does it mean all this? Our tropic geo synastry is very meaningful too but the draconic synastry seems even more accurate to me, tighter orbs...and I didnt expect to see so much similarity although I feel like we are so similar soul wise.


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posted June 01, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's compare to the GT charts, amelia. The Draco is largely mathematically oriented. Some things are easily explained when we return to basics.

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posted June 01, 2014 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Let's compare to the GT charts, amelia. The Draco is largely mathematically oriented. Some things are easily explained when we return to basics.

GT Charts? If you mean geocentric then I already know we have plenty of connections there, I want to look into draco now. Our connection is already explained but I want to further look into with draco, hence why I posted it!

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posted June 01, 2014 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to hear Ceridwen's input..I know she beliefs in draconic charts and now I do after seeing all these connections.

I need the input of someone who belies in draconic charts,

Thank you.

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posted June 01, 2014 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this in another Lindaland thread:

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
This is really interesting. I like the way you view it, especially how it could be the key to reaching inner peace.
As for the Draco to Natal connections, to me those are very important. I wasn't sure who was feeling them more but the fact that the draco person "seeks" the natal person makes a lot of sense.

So based on this, would you say that draco to draco synastry relates more to a soul to soul recognition?
I wonder how important such connections are in explaining deep meaningful relationship or encounters. Surely a moon venus conjunction in the draconic synastry could give two people a deep sense of peace, harmony and love that might be unexplainable to them. But what about other harsher aspects ?


Thanks. I'm glad you agree, I feel like important draco-natal connections in synastry will really keep someone bound to the other... sort of like seeing some part of yourself you need to find in someone else. You're just so drawn to that person, because they possess the qualities you have within but can't reach yet. Almost like you just /know/ that being with them feels right... sometimes this feeling can be overwhelming but at other times, it makes you feel like you just need them so much. I think it also runs both ways, for the natal person also. As the natal person in my case, I feel like I can't abandon this person, even if we ever romantically break up - I always want to help guide them somehow, because I can just sense the inner Scorpio traits they carry. I'm the digger, and they're the subject I am excavating.

Soul to soul recognition is such a good description of draco to draco synastry. With d-to-d synastry you would get two souls reuniting or meeting for the first time, you would get two compatible spiritual paths - which is essential especially for romantic unions. When two people have incompatible draco-draco synastry you could say that their spiritual paths are not that compatible... meaning that things in life, natural events, or the development of their souls could pull them apart. This is a very simple but plausible idea. When someone matures, they find that they really don't want to be in the relationship after all. The two people become incompatible over time, or in the case of poor draco-draco synastry, their souls mature and part ways because they no longer be spiritually compatible. Draco-draco shows how the two souls can last in a relationship beyond soul development. If they have good aspects, good conjunctions, similar formations, planets posited in the same signs, it will be easier for the relationship to survive any metamorphoses of the souls.

Harsher aspects mean, as I said, that it will be difficult for the two souls to survive together during any spiritual development for either or both persons. It's difficult because the friction is existing at an almost subconscious level. It isn't the same as natal-draco, where one person is aware of the qualities they are pulling up from the draco person. It's not of this world, on both sides. It feels fated. The little things that go wrong feel fated with poor draco-draco synastry. You both have inherent, deep inner natures that might rub each other the wrong way. Subconscious habits and patterns could bug each other. For example, having Sun square Sun in draco-draco synastry for love is an issue because it shows a clash of basic spiritual identities.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215631.html


Draco to Draco and Draco to Natal are important in soulmate relationships...

This is my most significant soulmate relationship I have had and we saw each other and automatically were drawn to each other like magnets and started to kiss.

Soul to Soul recognition explains it so well.

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posted June 01, 2014 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does you tropical synastry look, Amelia? Can you post it?

You have some nice and fated Draco and Draco/geo contacts.

Apart from the conjunctions, I particularly like Moon/Mercury squaring the Nodes and that Kite with his Juno.

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posted June 01, 2014 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All this is helping me understand the purpose of the relationship as well:

My draco moon conjuncts his draco chiron

His draco moon conjuncts my geo saturn.


My geo saturn in scorpio conjuncts my singleton pluto in libra by element and mode which biquintiles my singleton moon by house and my moon is part of a tsquare.

To top it off my geo chiron conjuncts my draco venus and mars.

He activated all this:


"What makes a synastry difficult when Chiron/Moon is between charts is that we must learn this lesson via the relationship. Our grip on ‘reality’ is challenged and our attempts at security are washed away in what seems like a tide of ruthless indifference to the welfare of our consciousness. Whether we are the Chiron person or the Moon person, the endless hunger is set aflame by interaction with another, a hunger which is impossible to satisfy by ordinary means."


"In essence, it represents the height and purpose of romantic partnership: I feel, I merge and die, I am at one with the universe. This is the power of water, deeply underestimated in most texts, dismissed as ‘sensitivity, sentiment.’ Dismiss it at your peril. Anyone who has ever been in a flood or carried away by a rip tide knows what water can do."


I Have been trying to understand for a long time why would I meet my other half but then not stay together and I am thinking it has to do with the draco moon conjunct his draco chiron and with his draco mooon conjuncting my geo saturn...

and the 4th, 8th and 12th.....

His geo vertex conjuncts my geo 8th house and my draco sun.

Our composite has a 12th house stellium and geo sun fall in my 12th and my geo sun falls in his 12th..


so moon, scorpio, 12th house and then you throw in saturn and chiron in the mix..quite unforgettable, transformative, intense, but also learning to love and let go at the same time, the security of being with someone who I have an unbreakable bond with taken from me and learning to heal......

Saturn wants security and chiron is like you can't have it, go and learn to feel secure by becoming one with the universe. Meeting him activated this process that will lead to this point which I am starting to feel I am at lately maybe bc my saturn is transiting the 12th.....

Its just crazy and wild...the ultimate purpose I suppose is to become one with the universe and universal love and romantic love is part of the journey that assists in reaching that point of evolution..

http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/10/19/the-endless-hunger-of-chiron-moon-part-one/

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posted June 01, 2014 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the Geo tropic Synastry:

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posted June 02, 2014 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
GT Charts? If you mean geocentric then I already know we have plenty of connections there, I want to look into draco now. Our connection is already explained but I want to further look into with draco, hence why I posted it!


I'm saying the Draco positions are often mathematically derived from the Geo positions. Do you have Geo SUNs conjunct?

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posted June 02, 2014 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
How does you tropical synastry look, Amelia? Can you post it?

I second this.

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posted June 02, 2014 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so tropical MOONs conjunct, but Draco SUNs. Interesting.

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posted June 02, 2014 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amelia, you have a strong synastry with your husband.

Here is Ceri's recent thread where we discussed Draco:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/227162-4.html

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posted June 02, 2014 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Amelia, you have a strong synastry with your husband.

Here is Ceri's recent thread where we discussed Draco:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/227162-4.html


This is my ex who is my twin flame.

My husband and I have a karmic soulmate relationship and we have lately with his Saturn transiting his 7th made huge progress absolving karma and our relationship is much stronger and satisfying but I have always known that although I love him deeply he is not my twin flame.

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posted June 02, 2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Okay, so tropical MOONs conjunct, but Draco SUNs. Interesting.

Yeah good observation, that is interesting..

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posted June 02, 2014 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're saying the charts for the above are of you and your Twin Flame?

If so, may I see the composite?

I'd also like you to add in:

ALMA (390)
ISIS (42)
OSIRIS (1923)
VALENTINE (447)
AMOR (1221)

to the synastry.

Thanks!

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posted June 02, 2014 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
You're saying the charts for the above are of you and your Twin Flame?

If so, may I see the composite?

I'd also like you to add in:

ALMA (390)
ISIS (42)
OSIRIS (1923)
VALENTINE (447)
AMOR (1221)

to the synastry.

Thanks!


There is little to no research on the asteroids your are mentioning..I only see these mentioned here in lindaland..I really doubt their credibility highly.

I see a lot of info on juno, chiron, psyche, eros, vertex and the nodes which I all have aspects involving this with him...

I see no info when I look up online the asteroids you speak off....so I feel this falls under speculation.

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posted June 02, 2014 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is asteroids going back to the basics?

The use of draconic astrology seems to go back to Babylonian times, but over the centuries it fell somewhat into disuse. Now, however, it is experiencing something of a resurgence. It has been speculated that the life readings given by the seer Edgar Cayce were based on the draconic charts of the people concerned.

.......draconic placements indicate soul qualities and purpose and suggest the ideal the soul is striving to attain, as well as potential areas of growth and fulfilment for the present incarnation.

I mean if we are talking about twin flames I think draconic synastry is vital bc twin flames is not about getting married and having children..that is karmic soulmate categories usually...is about soul evolution..but even karmic soulmates would have important aspects in draconic...bc is about growth too and karma.

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posted June 02, 2014 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarmicMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
There is little to no research on the asteroids your are mentioning..I only see these mentioned here in lindaland..I really doubt their credibility highly.

I see a lot of info on juno, chiron, psyche, eros, vertex and the nodes which I all have aspects involving this with him...

I see no info when I look up online the asteroids you speak off....so I feel this falls under speculation.


You are right, there is little to no research because most have only recently been discovered. Research has to start somewhere. I have found that these asteroids make amazing connections with the person that i believe is my primary soulmate (I am a little resisitant to the label TF, so I choose to use this term). Not just in synastry, but also in draconic, transits and progressions. Sometimes the connections even scare me a little. I have found them to be a great way to differentiate a TF or higher level soulmate relationship. You should give it a try.

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posted June 02, 2014 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
There is little to no research on the asteroids your are mentioning..I only see these mentioned here in lindaland..I really doubt their credibility highly.

I see a lot of info on juno, chiron, psyche, eros, vertex and the nodes which I all have aspects involving this with him...

I see no info when I look up online the asteroids you speak off....so I feel this falls under speculation.


Go to the Twinflame Astrology thread here. I began the work of my own accord, which drew the attention of iQ; I then started working with iQ soon after he offered me a very clear conclusion I myself am a Twin Flame.

Our research is ground-breaking. I've not yet published outside of LL, but we're all very excited with our findings. Consider yourself on the cutting-edge.

As such, I've found it to be highly reliable, despite its arguably small sample size. Fortunately, it steadily grows.

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posted June 02, 2014 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
You are right, there is little to no research because most have only recently been discovered. Research has to start somewhere. I have found that these asteroids make amazing connections with the person that i believe is my primary soulmate (I am a little resisitant to the label TF, so I choose to use this term). Not just in synastry, but also in draconic, transits and progressions. Sometimes the connections even scare me a little. I have found them to be a great way to differentiate a TF or higher level soulmate relationship. You should give it a try.

Thank you, KarmicMoon. My thoughts exactly.

Incidentally, yes, our Draconic does reflect the same power in our composite. But iQ and I are both of the opinion that Twin Flame composites will have certain markers and be very distinctive.

Mine is one of the most he's found yet. It's really what prompted me to get over my fear and delve in. Now that I see I'm here to help others overcome their obstacles to unconditional love, a LOT has fallen into place.

And ALMA conjunct JUNO, natally, and in our composite, was one of the biggest indicators of that.

We've all a theory on VESTA, too. His is tightly conjunct my SUN, with mine conjunct my NNODE-OSIRIS, and opposite his PSYCHE/EROS and VENUS/MARS.

Also, his ISIS and OSIRIS mimic my JUPITER and SATURN; how cool is that?

I do agree, amelia, that the Draconic is an important piece. But there are other things that should be in place before you declare a Twin Flame connexion.

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posted June 02, 2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exempli gratia:

So, I don't disagree that the Draco will most certainly further the evidence of a strong connexion. Likewise for the Helio.

Incidentally, his drSUN is in the same sign, but not conjunct my nMOON; contrariwise for his drMOON.

My drSUN is 2º opposite his nMOON I don't recall my drMOON being very significant, however; perhaps very loosely opposite his nSUN. Very. As in, by 8º or more.

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posted June 02, 2014 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This is the composite of my ex and I:
[Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/yl4m82F)

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posted June 02, 2014 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Exempli gratia:

So, I don't disagree that the Draco will most certainly further the evidence of a strong connexion. Likewise for the Helio.

Incidentally, his drSUN is in the same sign, but not conjunct my nMOON; contrariwise for his drMOON.

My drSUN is 2º opposite his nMOON I don't recall my drMOON being very significant, however; perhaps very loosely opposite his nSUN. Very. As in, by 8º or more.


What I find interesting about this composite is not the asteroids LOL.......

Is the stellium opposing venus/chiron/jupiter!

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posted June 03, 2014 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarmicMoon:
You are right, there is little to no research because most have only recently been discovered. Research has to start somewhere. I have found that these asteroids make amazing connections with the person that i believe is my primary soulmate (I am a little resisitant to the label TF, so I choose to use this term). Not just in synastry, but also in draconic, transits and progressions. Sometimes the connections even scare me a little. I have found them to be a great way to differentiate a TF or higher level soulmate relationship. You should give it a try.


IDK know about it differentiating between TF, higher level soulmates and average soulmates but I have been looking into this, giving it a shot....

I checked out my synastry with someone that I can tell we both feel a strong attraction but when I look at his venus and mars and my venus and mars I dont see why so I checked the asteroids and found the following in the bit that I have looked over so far:

His lust opposes exact my venus and by one orb my mars.

His psyche conjuncts my mercury by 2 orbs

His cupido opposes my moon by one orb

His Valentine conjuncts my moon by 2 orbs

His union opposes my Eros by one orb

His vertex conjuncts my mercury exact

(His eros conjuncts exact my draco venus)

In addition his moon and NN trines my moon by one orb and his sun opposes my venus by 6 orbs and my mars by 7 orbs.

(Also his sun conjuncts my draco juno by 3 orbs.)


My Valentine opposes his sun by one orb.


OHHH and his ascendant opposes by 3 and 2 orbs my venus and mars.

In conclusion I feel the asteroids can explain attraction when the planets don't explain it or perhaps enhance further if there are good aspects between the planets.


but I think TF is something you feel in your heart, its impossible to ignore no matter how many years pass type of thing....


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posted June 03, 2014 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say you might be Twin Flames that aren't here for Reunion. There are markers which show a very strong connexion, with certain absolute features missing.

It's one of those, 'SO close!' composites. You can tell there's a pull there. Perhaps you were together to 'touch off' of each other, as I like to say.

But, yes. It's VERY difficult to ignore the pull to your Twin. Even more so, honestly, if you're supposed to Reunite. Sigh.

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