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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 18, 2005 01:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many orbs do you use when looking at aspects in Synastry?

I hear some people say only 1 degree and then I've googled other sites that have all sorts of different rules for different planet combos.

I'm just curious

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26taurus
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posted January 18, 2005 02:12 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use 3. An orb of one degree is way too tight to expect to use all of the time. Using ONLY a one degree orbs in synastry is very limiting. It's great to find tight orbs - the tighter the better, but to use only a one degree orb is asking alot. You can use an orb of 3 and still find the same significance. (only talking synastry here)

This is what I use, have learned and observed to be true. Of course it all comes down to what you prefer or notice in your chart observations. But from what I have learned, a three degree orb or under is a safe bet. Anything out of 3 degrees is really reaching and I wouldnt count it as an aspect. Three at the very most.

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sassygrrrl
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posted January 18, 2005 04:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also use an orb of three. I have lots of important synastry aspects with others within that 3-degree orb....And that were I to just consider using a too too tight 1-degree orb, I would end up missing a LOT of stuff in the synastry that I consider very important.

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lioneye68
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posted January 19, 2005 11:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. 1 degree is too chintzy, and quite frankly, a lazy approach to chart interpretation, IMO. 3 is fair, but I would allow a little more for aspects between the sun, moon, and asc. ...Also, conjunctions can be very powerful, even with a 5 degree orb.

My opinion.

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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 20, 2005 03:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. That is interesting.

I think I need to become more experienced to decide what I think about orbs personally... But 3 sounds sensible and 5 for conjunctions... I will look at my charts and see what I think..

thanks again.

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26taurus
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posted January 20, 2005 04:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(I wanted to mention that I too use a wider degree (5) orb with conjunctions. Conjunctions are potent, not only in synastry do we use a wider orb for them. )

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lllog
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posted January 22, 2005 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lllog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that the arc of a chart, synasty and Transits specificly, act much like the resolution in a graphic. The bigger the arc, the fuzzer the picture.

Synasty and transits are not the same as Natal charts, that use much wider arcs.

As far as 1 degree being lazy, thats dribble. All astrological aspects have a decay of influence or affect the larger they become. Where you draw the line depends upon how accurate you want to be. I suspect that some people increase the arc to include aspects that they want to have in their relationships, even if their significance is miniscule.

Lanny

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sassygrrrl
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posted January 22, 2005 05:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally I find a 3-degree orb to be reasonably close enough that it works. And not just for myself, but for other people too as I have studied other people's charts using this orb. So speaking purely for myself, I don't consider 3 degrees too fuzzy. (now 9 or 10 degrees...THAT's fuzzy. )

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was weird purple sparkles
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posted January 22, 2005 06:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i never know what orb to use, but three sounds about right. my boyfriend and i have many that are 1 to 1 and a half degrees apart, but the ones that are 3 still feel pertinent.

what is the difference between orbs in synastry, and in our own natal charts, and why would the signifcance differ? fuzzy is fuzzy, isn't it?

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Aquarian Girl
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posted January 22, 2005 06:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am very new to synastry, so I have really only studied my chart with my ex-husband and my now ex-boyfriend...

So far, I find the 0 and 1 degree orb to be exact and I always look to that as the defining influences. But others, within 3 degrees seem to put together the background tapestry of influences in the relationshop. Like, you can weave them together and see what the over all feeling is even if the influence of those with greater orb doesn't jump out at you...

Anyway, that's just what I've found so far by comparing what I see in the chart to what I see manifested in my own life. I am still learning a lot.

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was weird purple sparkles
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posted January 22, 2005 06:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just wondering aloud, as i'm certainly no expert..

couldn't a bit of a wider orb account for the possibility that few people are certain of their *exact* birthtime? aren't many off by several minutes? for the faster moving planets, couldn't this create a wider orb that may or may not be accurate, and thus, wouldn't it be wise (unless exact birth time is known forsure) to have a little grace in terms of orb tightness?

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26taurus
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posted January 22, 2005 07:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Illog,

I dont think that looking at orbs outside of only one degree is being lazy. I just think that by not counting an aspect because it is at a one or two degree orb is silly. That aspect will still be felt a large part of the time. At least as far as I've noticed. ONLY using a one degree orb will cause you to miss out on alot of aspects that are really "there". I dont think there is anything wrong with going as far as two or three, but not past that. And used sparingly.

Yes, there is a bit of a "decay" in the influence the further away you get, but it's not always gone!

I agree that some people try to increase the arc to include aspects that they want to have in relationships. That is why I only use 2 or 3 degree orbs sparingly. If all of the contacts are from wide orbs then you know that you are reaching for things that arent there.

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aries-chick
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posted January 22, 2005 10:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe it depends on the spiritual awareness of both the people involved, whether they feel larger orb aspects or not...

I'd still take into account an orb of 3 or like lioneye said up to 5 for conjunctions because I think aspects generate some sort of magnetic field and the closer you get the more you feel them in your relationship. So far I'm pretty much convinced a 3 deg orb can be felt pretty strongly though I agree that 1 deg or less would theoreticaly be even stronger (though I hav to say...I believe that a 1 deg trine between outter planets would be felt a lot less than a 3 deg conjuntion between venus and mars..for instance.. so it depends a lot on the planets and aspects involved as well)

I tried doing charts with a 1 degree orb only, and there's only a couple of aspects left IF that. That includes my mum, my dad, ppl I'm close to, guys I've liked in the past and my current bf...so I did quite a few but I'd feel a bit strange to only interpret 1 or 2 aspects with any of these ppl. It seems like there's a lot more to the relationship I'd be missing out on

So every buh day ...what about natal charts ..what orbs would you allow for a natal chart? I read something about it, that said 8 deg for conjunctions and oppositions and 5 deg for everything else (if I remember right...I'll try to find that site again)

*edit* does anyone know what orbs Linda allowed for both Synastry and Natal... Does she mention it anywhere

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steelrose
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posted January 25, 2005 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steelrose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must agree with you Aries-chick... Lioneye is right... Conjunctions are too powerful to restrict them just to 1 degree... I agree 1 degree will make the more intense, obviously... But you will still feel their influence with a few more degrees...

I strongly feel the effects of a Venus-Pluto conjunction with a guy I know and it´s 4 degrees apart...

Even when it´s not a conjunction, I think we should consider a wider orb... Otherwise we will be missing very valuable background information that will colour the relationship... Recently I was detailing the effects of the square Mars-Venus for someone in this site when I realised it resembled powerfully to the kind of relationship I had with my ex-boyfriend... And when I checked our comparison chart I discovered my Venus and his Mars were square with a 6º orb... Some people will think that is a too wide arc, but we did feel its influence powerfully... The realisation came after identifying myself with that Venus person squared by someone else´s Mars... So I wasn´t trying to include aspects that I want to have in our relationship. In fact, I wish we never had that placement...

I think this is a question of observing what works better, of being more flexible... Astrology is not an exact science like Maths... Its truth is blurred and somehow intuitive, like Psychology...

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lioneye68
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posted January 25, 2005 11:30 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No doubt, a 1 degree orb will be more intensly felt, but can you say that planetary contacts with a 3 degree orb WON'T be felt at all? I beg to differ, Lanny.

If I were to use a 1 degree orb in the synastry between my s/o and I, we would have no business being together - but we are. That to me is testimony enough that aspects with a wider than 1 degree orb ARE influencial.

And by the way, I have never seen that opinion of allowing only a 1 degree orb in synastry supported by any other astrologer anywhere on the net, or in any book. The only time a 1 degree orb is recommended is in Predictive Astrology, especially in regard to planetary aspects to the angles. (1.5 is allowed for the lights).

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lllog
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posted January 26, 2005 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lllog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By 1 degree arcs, I'm refering to +/- 1 degree giving and overall arc of 3 degrees.

Is it possible that we have a communication problem here?

Lanny

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26taurus
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posted January 26, 2005 07:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was possible. Not anymore. Thanks for clearing it up.

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Leodiva
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posted July 15, 2009 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leodiva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So if I have an aspect of about 3'33 degrees with someone, does that mean it won't be felt?

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ophelia85
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posted July 15, 2009 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ophelia85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would normally say 6 degrees for the conjunctions, oppositions, and squares, and about 4 degrees for everything else. but.... I have felt oppositions and conjunctions up to 8 degrees away (usually involving saturn or venus-pluto)

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ophelia85
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posted July 15, 2009 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ophelia85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, I just realized that this topic is over 4 years old!!!! how on earth did someone find it...

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Got Gemini?
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posted July 16, 2009 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't agree with the whole mathematical theory behind using super tight orbs. I believe that synastry is activated by attraction by one or both parties and therefore all aspects should be taken into account. Yes, there is a limit when crossing into anther harmonic but I don't believe in excluding wider orbs close to the end of the harmonic. So to me, cutting down orbs just because you may share an aspect of 8˚ with millions of people is not necessary. Just because you share an aspect with millions of people does not mean you will ever meet all of those people, nor does it mean you will be attracted to them or vice versa.

And I believe using larger orbs has NOTHING to do with "reaching."


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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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comica23
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posted July 16, 2009 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I wouldn't give much attention to any aspects larger than 5ºdegrees orb, specially sextiles and other minor aspects, since they are less noticeable. I'd focus on the aspects within 3ºdegrees, and see the aspects within 1ºdegrees as the main aspects.

It is easier to get the main picture of the chart if we use tighter degrees, and maybe then we can try to analyze the wider ones to see if they are really noticeable in the real life.

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Lucia23
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posted July 16, 2009 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I spend a lot of time obsessing about this...my latest approach is to look at tight orbed aspects first, then branch out and look at wider-orbed aspects.

I like to analyze synastry in the context of the real-life relationship, moving between the synastry and how it seems to actually be playing out, so I agree with Got Gemini to a certain extent.

One thing I notice is that it makes sense to use a wider orb for one half of a double whammy. For example, I have an exact Venus-Pluto square with someone (0)...but it seems to me from our dynamic that it is somewhat balanced out by our wide Venus-Pluto conjunction (8) in the other direction. I have noticed this in several synastries with DWs.

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ophelia85
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posted July 17, 2009 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ophelia85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It is easier to get the main picture of the chart if we use tighter degrees, and maybe then we can try to analyze the wider ones to see if they are really noticeable in the real life.

yeah, I would generally agree with this... but, it seems to me atleast, that even though I may have a Moon trine Neptune aspect (for example) with someone thats only 1 degree apart, I would tend to feel the 'harder' aspects (conjunction, opposition, square) more easily... even if they are farther apart. A Sun square Saturn that's 5 degrees apart is generally felt much stronger than a Sun trine Neptune that's 1 degree apart. So, I think you have to go by 'aspect type' and the planets involved too.

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posted July 18, 2009 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snow_Dream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what about more than 3' but less than 4'?

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