posted June 05, 2014 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
One flash was the garden of Gethsemane.

The other flash was being buried alive. Nice. I donīt think I can find it in the chart though.

Oh and one where he played me and in the end deserted me.

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This is interesting.

Have you considered that maybe some of the flashes are for the future? I'm talking about the garden, of course, don't imagine otherwise

My flashes are definitely from the past because of the "costumes" lol Unless the future will be Victorian again

But your garden...it may as well be the final garden of heaven, Nirvana

posted June 05, 2014 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I guess there must have been good things and bad things in the past just like life generally is. Why does it have to be all bad? Huh, Sunshine?

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posted June 05, 2014 11:42 AM            

But I started smelling JASMINE, for god`s sake! Those olfactory halluzinations are getting a bit much. lol

The crucifixion-scene though was pretty unbearable.
I even commented on it when I met him afterwards, and I must have said something *unusual* cause something in the way he looked at me suddenly changed for a moment. Laserbeam-like, I have no clue what I said though.

I was very impressed by his portrayal of Jesus though, as he was so human in his performance. And laughing a lot. Even when being beaten, but maybe that is just because it hit a frequency inside of me. I used to do that as a kid. Whenver someone hurt me real bad, physically or emotionally, I would start laughing and so somehow coming across as stronger, or untouchable. I don`t know. It is weird and strange to explain.
I would also laugh and grin when I was shocked or very deeply sad. I did so when a favourite teacher of me died, and my mom was shocked how I could be grinning while telling her the news, and I explained to her, that sometimes things are so horrible that tears couldn`t even express the depth of them, and besides if I started to cry now I would never stop anymore.

(must be a Moon in aqua thing. lol)

Anyway, there was a shade of this in "his" Jesus as well. Laughter in so many shades as expression of very different emotions. Joy and goodnaturedness of course. But also as a "weapon" to somehow keep the upper hand (or not let anyone else see inside), and then laughter as an expression of deepest despair and pain, and then as expression of liberation and relief.

I could see it ALL, like the colours of a rainbow melting into each other, within maybe a couple of minutes.

posted June 05, 2014 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
because there was not much spirituality back then. everything was cut in stone, no choice, really.

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posted June 05, 2014 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
That is true. Very few people had access to spirituality, books etc. apart from religion, of course (not my fav kind of spirituality)

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Sorry but I disagree.

Spirituality doesn`t come from books.

And what about the Druids and other ancient people?

To be spiritual all you need to do is being observant and open to the nature all around and to your own inner being/ voice.

My opinion of course.

But as we know I am always right.

posted June 05, 2014 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Might be. Or just a too strong impact him singing "Gethsemane" left on me.

But I started smelling JASMINE, for god`s sake! Those olfactory halluzinations are getting a bit much. lol

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OMG, this is so awesome. You know what, Ceri, when I have flashes (in mediation or those hypnagogic/hypnopompic states), sometimes ther are very fast or fuzzy, but often there is the smell of the things I just saw that follows like, materializing in the air around me (of course, I assume it's just an olfactory "vision")

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I used to do that as a kid. Whenver someone hurt me real bad, physically or emotionally, I would start laughing and so somehow coming across as stronger, or untouchable. I don`t know. It is weird and strange to explain.
I would also laugh and grin when I was shocked or very deeply sad. I did so when a favourite teacher of me died, and my mom was shocked how I could be grinning while telling her the news, and I explained to her, that sometimes things are so horrible that tears couldn`t even express the depth of them, and besides if I started to cry now I would never stop anymore.

(must be a Moon in aqua thing. lol)

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posted June 05, 2014 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorry but I disagree.

Spirituality doesn`t come from books.

And what about the Druids and other ancient people?

To be spiritual all you need to do is being observant and open to the nature all around and to your own inner being/ voice.

My opinion of course.

But as we know I am always right.

And so modest.

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lol your Mercury Pluto mdp, you were saying?? hehe

posted June 05, 2014 11:59 AM            

Anyway, the persecution does not mean people were less spiritual back then. Besides it dpends how far in time we go back, and also of course the persecution hit those who were trying to live spirituality "against the mainstream / collective".

posted June 05, 2014 12:02 PM            

Well she is joking, but really I htink we are both aware that there is more to that joke.

She herself has never read any spiritual book or occult ones (and I have friends who haven`t done either), still she definitely is one of the most spiritual people I know, and though she would not admit it or find a name for it, her sense of the paranormal is very astute.

posted June 05, 2014 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Spirituality comes with freedom of mind, and that's not something people in the past were blessed with.
Poor people were too burdened with means for surviving to think about spirituality, rich people were too spoiled or scared of each other to open themselves to something different. "Different" was being executed, and quickly so.
Religion had its octopus tentacles tightly wrapped around everyone's brain.
Rich or poor, both were sold into marriage for money or status.

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This is a great point, me thinks...the freedom of mind.

posted June 05, 2014 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
Actually my mom still tells me sometimes to be a bit careful (she was panicking when I started doing astrology), so people will not notice I am a witch.

Well she is joking, but really I htink we are both aware that there is more to that joke.

She herself has never read any spiritual book or occult ones (and I have friends who haven`t done either), still she definitely is one of the most spiritual people I know, and though she would not admit it or find a name for it, her sense of the paranormal is very astute.

I suppose it has been coming from her mother`s mother.

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posted June 05, 2014 01:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Spirituality comes with freedom of mind, and that's not something people in the past were blessed with.
Poor people were too burdened with means for surviving to think about spirituality, rich people were too spoiled or scared of each other to open themselves to something different. "Different" was being executed, and quickly so.
Religion had its octopus tentacles tightly wrapped around everyone's brain.
Rich or poor, both were sold into marriage for money or status.

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Hmm, I donīt agree with that. At least not in these absolute terms.

Well, I obviously agree that there were restrictions put on the expression of the mind and spirituality in certain social systems (as still are btw), but to say that the ancient people were less spiritual or had no ability to form individual thoughts or yes, freedom of mind, seems to simplistic to me.

I can see though that most probably we will not find a shared ground/ agreement in this instance, so I think I will just leave it at that.

posted June 05, 2014 01:27 PM            

Yes, i'd leave it at that.