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posted June 04, 2014 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quote from JWG, Pluto II, page 17:
"In synastry charts, the location by house and sign of the planetary rulers of the South and North Nodes in one .
Edit.


Have you tried to interpret your own past life story?

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posted June 05, 2014 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:

Can you riddle this riddle?

Have you tried to interpret your own past life story?


Oh, yes. Successfully, too. Took awhile; the implementation of many different methods and systems. I'd be happy to share.

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posted June 05, 2014 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh I remember I did that once ago, when reading the book. Impressed me much. Yet, I donīt think I have noted it down. lol

you are going to make me work again, aren`t you?

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posted June 05, 2014 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Took awhile; the implementation of many different methods and systems. I'd be happy to share.

Please do!

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posted June 05, 2014 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know (based on some flashes) we were from different social backgrounds and we were separated through an arranged marriage and it's happening again...not the marriage lol but the different backgrounds.

I have no clue what to look for to find this.

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posted June 05, 2014 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK this is what I see. I would first look at Davison for this one, since Davison is filmic and with a karmic touch, connecting places with time:

Our Davison SN is in Gemini 12th house, conjunct Sun and Amor, approaching the 1st house cusp. This shows me:

- the connection with Gemini, possible soulmates/twins
- the 12th house - we have a long history together, emphasized also by the Sun conjunct SN - the relationship is at a culmination point (with the illuminating Sun already coming full in this life, on the SN)
- Sun conjunct Amor shows we loved each other very much in the past, probably for several lifetimes, and we bring this love, from the beginning, into this life.

SN/Sun/Amor is part of a mutable cross with the Moon (chart ruler) in Pisces conjunct Jupiter and Juno on one side and Valentine in opposition - shows the same as above, plus a good omen for this life.

SN/Sun/Amor also trines Psyche in Aqua 9th and Uranus in Libra 5th - a spiritual exhilarating connection, an awakening with an Aquarius age flavor.


SN ruler, Mercury is in the first house conjunct Priapus and the Juno/Jupiter/Moon conjunction and the Vertex axis. I think we've already been a couple in the previous lives, it is a continuance, which is not in tune with my flashes, so my flashes are either much older lives, or for something else or dreams or my Madhatter lol


EDIT: Also, Venus conjunct Karma in Taurus 11th house in a Kite formation with Mercury (SN ruler) and the Moon/Jupiter/Juno thingy. Venus/Karma right on Avx.

NN is in Sag 6th house - pointing to a possible future residence or project away from the place of origin and us working together or sharing day-to-day life at some point. NN ruler Jupiter is in 10th (more work together) part of that configuration with Juno and the Moon. NN also conjunct Ceres and Pholus - maybe agriculture? I wouldn't mind having my own garden with him hehehe and Pholus there - this partnership will be a turning point for both of us. Pholus conjuncts MC in Pisces and Neptune is back in the 6th house. So this Virgo/Pisces axis is very important (I am Virgo, he is Pisces BTW) It sounds nice, since NN is in the 6th and SN in the 12th - I think I'll be the boss


I'll continue with the Composite and Synastry, but I would also look at Draco Davison and Composite for this topic, for additional clues.


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posted June 05, 2014 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, my Lovely

Does the South Node/Sun/Amor conjuncts anything in either natal chart?

NorthNode in the 6th points to inequality between you two in this life time and one of you needing to serve the other. Or serving the society together ( NN ruler in the 10th) . In any case, though, one of you will be the boss and the other - the subordinate.

South Node conj Sun in the 12th house could mean imprisonment or deadly illness that separated you in a past life, mostly him since Sun in the composite represents the man, hence the NN now in the 6th, picking up where it was left before.

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posted June 05, 2014 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
composite is totally okay for this sort of thing as well.

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posted June 05, 2014 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
composite is totally okay for this sort of thing as well.

And it's the only one i use.

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posted June 05, 2014 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Case 1:

composite:
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SN on 20 Aries, Mars on 23 Libra in 9th house ocnjunct NN.

NN on 20 Libra conjunct AMOR and CUPIDO on 20 Libra exact, widely conjunct Pluto on 15 LIbra, which rules the MC and is located in 8th house


So Venus and Mars.


ruler of SN, Mars in LIbra in 9th on NN itself, squares Moon on 23 Capricorn in 12th house.


ruler of NN, Venus in CApricorn in 12th house,
widely conjunct Moon, squaring Pluto (which conj. NN) in 8th house as ruler of 8th.
Also trines EROS and PRIAPUS on the IC. IC in Taurus, thus Venus-ruled as well.

Davison
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SN on 21 Libra on 3rd house cusp conjunct APHRODITE and LUST.

NN on 21 Aries on 9th house cusp.

nodal axis squaring Moon on 20 Cancer in 7th house (Moon definitely being the skipped step in both composite and Davison).


SN ruler, Venus, on 11 Taurus in 3rd house
NN ruler, Mars, on 9 Taurus in 3rd house.

so that means that there is a Venus-Mars-conjunction in Taurus/ 3rd house, which is at the same time a conjunction of the nodal rulers


To complicate matter some more

the Venus-Mars-conjunction is opposing the intercepted 1st house ruler Uranus on 8 Scorpio in 9th house.

And it also squares the ASC ruler Saturn on 13 Leo in 7th house.

To make matters even a bit more complicated, though there would no need to be for any more complication, the Venus-Mars-conjunction at the base of the chart is the apex of a Yod-figure. Well Venus is at least (the NN-ruler seems to take a bit more precedence).


For Venus is quinkunx MC-ruler Pluto on 11 Libra in 8th house exact.
Venus also quinkunx Neptune on 14 Sag in 11th house (3 degree orb).


Of course that pretty much puts Uranus near the release point almost making it a boomerang Yod. Uranus is more tightly opposite Mars though (1 degree orb)


The one leg of this Yod, Neptune in 11th, has an opposition to Mercury-Jupiter in Gemini in 5th and is the backbone of a cradle configuration, also involving Neptune-Priapus in 11th, Mercury-Jupiter in 5th, Pluto in 8th and Saturn in 7th.

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posted June 05, 2014 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Case 1:

composite:
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SN on 20 Aries, Mars on 23 Libra in 9th house ocnjunct NN.

NN on 20 Libra conjunct AMOR and CUPIDO on 20 Libra exact, widely conjunct Pluto on 15 LIbra, which rules the MC and is located in 8th house


So Venus and Mars.


ruler of SN, Mars in LIbra in 9th on NN itself, squares Moon on 23 Capricorn in 12th house.


ruler of NN, Venus in CApricorn in 12th house,
widely conjunct Moon, squaring Pluto (which conj. NN) in 8th house as ruler of 8th.
Also trines EROS and PRIAPUS on the IC. IC in Taurus, thus Venus-ruled as well.

Davison
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SN on 21 Libra on 3rd house cusp conjunct APHRODITE and LUST.

NN on 21 Aries on 9th house cusp.

nodal axis squaring Moon on 20 Cancer in 7th house (Moon definitely being the skipped step in both composite and Davison).


SN ruler, Venus, on 11 Taurus in 3rd house
NN ruler, Mars, on 9 Taurus in 3rd house.

so that means that there is a Venus-Mars-conjunction in Taurus/ 3rd house, which is at the same time a conjunction of the nodal rulers


To complicate matter some more

the Venus-Mars-conjunction is opposing the intercepted 1st house ruler Uranus on 8 Scorpio in 9th house.

And it also squares the ASC ruler Saturn on 13 Leo in 7th house.

To make matters even a bit more complicated, though there would no need to be for any more complication, the Venus-Mars-conjunction at the base of the chart is the apex of a Yod-figure. Well Venus is at least (the NN-ruler seems to take a bit more precedence).


For Venus is quinkunx MC-ruler Pluto on 11 Libra in 8th house exact.
Venus also quinkunx Neptune on 14 Sag in 11th house (3 degree orb).


Of course that pretty much puts Uranus near the release point almost making it a boomerang Yod. Uranus is more tightly opposite Mars though (1 degree orb)


The one leg of this Yod, Neptune in 11th, has an opposition to Mercury-Jupiter in Gemini in 5th and is the backbone of a cradle configuration, also involving Neptune-Priapus in 11th, Mercury-Jupiter in 5th, Pluto in 8th and Saturn in 7th.

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posted June 05, 2014 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
And it's the only one i use.

Nah, I use both.
But composite is more closely aligned and reflective of the natal themes, and since I believe that most of what we call "Fate" is very much a result of our own characteristics, this is definitely the priority relationship chart for me. Because of my personal inclination towards midpointing probably.


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posted June 05, 2014 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^^

Ok, you mentioned all aspects and the positions but i didnt see any conclusion. Wrap it up, Mademoiselle. ?

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posted June 05, 2014 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hi, my Lovely

Does the South Node/Sun/Amor conjuncts anything in either natal chart?


Sun/SN conjunct my own Karma in the natal. We have NN 10 deg. apart. My Karma is 3 deg. away from my own SN.

Interestingly, my Karma falls exactly on his Mars to Saturn(conjunct his MC squaring his ASC) midpoint.

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NorthNode in the 6th points to inequality between you two in this life time and one of you needing to serve the other. Or serving the society together ( NN ruler in the 10th) . In any case, though, one of you will be the boss and the other - the subordinate.

You are right and there is an actual possibility for this. Plus the Moon is in 10th.

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South Node conj Sun in the 12th house could mean imprisonment or deadly illness that separated you in a past life, mostly him since Sun in the composite represents the man, hence the NN now in the 6th, picking up where it was left before.

Possibly. I was focusing more on the spiritual/unconditional/final significance of the 12th house as I usually do hehehe (I'm a Jupiterian gal after all lol) Plus we have my Sun and Venus falling in his 12th house in synastry (his secondary 7th).


Moving to do the composite now...
Thanks for the insight, Sunshine Orange (you do look like a ray of sun in your pic, BTW )

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posted June 05, 2014 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Thanks for the insight, Sunshine Orange (you do look like a ray of sun in your pic, BTW )


Thanks, sugar pie. This fish here loves the sea, you can tell.

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posted June 05, 2014 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the Composite the Gemini Sun also conjunct SN by 3 deg., this time in the 7th house. You tell me what it means, I'm not very knowledgeable ate reading past lives...to me it points to the fact that we've already been a couple. NN in Sag in the 1st closely conjuncts Mercury (0), pointing to the same story: a possible common relocation, which is, in fact a real possibility and most likely the only practical way for us to be together. Plus, Sun rules the 9th house. Mercury rules the 8th and the Virgo MC. Going back to SN: It receives no hard or soft aspects, but it is part (with the Sun) of a major Yod in our Composite (we have two, one on each angle axis): Sun/SN sextile Chiron, apex Venus on ASC, release point: DSC.
SN ruler, Mercury, conjuncts NN.
NN ruler Jupiter conjuncts IC and Pholus and is the apex of the other Yod (with sextile Mars to Moon/Pluto), release point: MC conjunct Union, also on Pisces (Jupiter/IC) Virgo(MC) axis.

What do you think?

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posted June 05, 2014 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
^^^^

Ok, you mentioned all aspects and the positions but i didnt see any conclusion. Wrap it up, Mademoiselle. ?


Nope. won`t do it.


Well, it seems pretty clear that there are things left unresolved between us.
We have Moon in 12th house as our skipped step, actually it is Venus-Moon, they are conj. by 6 degrees and their midpoint is squaring the nodal axis within a degree or so.

So Most certainly something about the emotional connection was left unresolved.
SN is in Aries in 3rd house, so maybe we were too busy arguing and fighting wars with our neighbours, siblings or even with each other in verbal terms, to honour the emotional undercurrent.

Since it was left unresolved our SN-ruler Mars is ending up conjunct the NN again. Gotta get it right this time. (sadly it does not look like it though).

NN is not only conjunct Pluto and Mars (and the midpoint of Mars-Pluto is right ON the NN, wo of course that means we have a tight interrelation of Moon/Venus-mp and Mars/Pluto-mp with Moon squaring Mars and Venus squaring Pluto tight.


I suppose there was too much left unsaid or unresolved when it came to emotions of any colour, be it affection, caring, love, passion, sex, rage and so on.


Now Mars and Pluto on the NN, Mars rujling the 3rd house, Pluto the 8th house. WE gotta learn to TALK, I mean about the important stuff, personal stuff most probably, with Pluto in the brew, it could get very uncomfortably personal (btw Pluto conjuncts Atlantis exact).


However, I don`t think it is a coincidence that AMOR, CUPIDO and CAMELOT are ALL on 20 Libra. I mean that is like really hammering it in, isn`t it? lol

To me it sais, learn to deal with each other in more civil manners, and don`t forget the love. It just looks so much like courtly love or the dance of it. I mean come on in Libra? Are you even for real?
And in 9th house along with Camelot?


The SN has the Sabian:
A Pugilist Enters The Ring

LOL
We probably SLAUGHTERED each other with words.

Now Mars is in Libra, yes in detriment I believe, but nevetheless it tones down the aggressivity, could be a chance of being a bit more polite with each other.

And then there ist he skipped step of Moon and Venus in 12th house (can it be clearer than this? What a fitting house for a skipped step!)

Moon`s Sabian
A Soldier Receiving Two Awards For Bravery In Combat

Another fighting symbol, but here it is the Moon in 12th - did we miss to really fight for the emotional survival of this connection? Did we give up too easily?

Venus:
Well, venus is very interesting here, it is not only a skpped step, but it is the ruler of NN. It is where we are meant to go!

It is like, we missed to get it right especially about Venus, and that is where we should be heading now. The past becomes the future, something like that.

Venus also rules the IC, the base of the chart. This direction we are asked to take and which is actually a reminder of the past, it also leads us right into the core, the heart of our connection, the IC.
And on the IC there is a very tight conjunction of Eros-Priapus (along with Dionysos. lol) and all of that trines the 12th house Venus.

Anyway Sabian of Venus:
A Repressed Woman Finds A Psychological Release In Nudism


I interprete that as the need to be "psychologically naked" with each other (maybe just me though, as I am the woman). Too much being left unsaid, which probably led to this fiasko right now.

But with Venus-trine Eros and PRiapus on IC in Taurus, I think there is a strong sensual vibe at the base of it all, one we probably like to deny (Eros quinkunx Neptune and Pluto, Yeah, it is a damned Yod figure again. lol), and Eros is opposing Uranus in Scorpio, the ruler of ASC on the MC.
Which sextiles Venus btw. lol

It is all so connected.
In a way that unpredictability of Uranus might even be helpful.

However Venus is ALSO squaring pluto in 8th.
Which actually is more than this, because Venus is conjunct Proserpina (and Arthur) within a degree or so and all that squares Pluto.

This happens because natally we both have a Venus-Pluto-square, so it is a theme in composite. Plus we have a DW of Pluto-Proserpina (sextile and trine) in synastry.

Pluto has the Sabian:
After A Storm A Boat Landing Stands In Need Of Reconstruction

We REALLY messed it up, didn`t we?

Anyway I know Green is big on the Pluto release point, which would be at 15 Aries for us (my Draco Sun btw. lol)

Nature Spirits Are Seen At Work In The Light Of Sunset

so the NN itself along with Amor, Cupido, Camelot is on 20 Libra:
A Sunday Crowd Enjoying The Beach


It`s time to let go of all that went wrong, of the strife, and just relax and enjoy. Probably instead of putting effort and working and all that, we are asked to do the opposite, let go of all the efforts and just surrender and enjoy whatever there is, letting down the walls and stop manipulating the heck out of each other. lol No need for it apparently.


Well, where it gets interesting is that the SN is EXACTLY conjunct my Chiron.
And my SAturn opposes Venus.

It probably is me who is holding back, who is restricting even refusing, denying, limiting (my Saturn) the love and attraction (composite Venus), and hence would ruin our chance of resolving our skipped step, which is written so clearly into our fate-script.
And most of all Iwould do this because the past caused me so much pain (my Chiron).


at the same time however composite Moon is conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex and opposing Eros.
I guess that is the feeling of possible completion or emotional satisfaction that *could* be achieved there, if I could only let go of the memory of all that wounding.


From his perspective, his Pluto sits on the NN (and Amor, Mars, Cupido, Camelot). Usualy I would not pay so much attention to it, but I do so for the fact that it is a close conjunction (oh btw my Sappho and DNA and Musa are thre as well in Libra), and for him natlly Pluto represents the ruler of 8th house in 7th house. Which of course means that the NN hits his Pluto in 7th house, while the SN hits my Chiron in 4th house.
It is like on some level he is pulling the whole carriage into the future, or tries to, but with Pluto we all know about the compulsiveness there, no clue if he even feels it, but for me it certianly has a scary intensity.
of course his pluto is also squaring my Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp and ERos.

I mentioned the composite Moon, well, for him composite Moon is conjunct his natal Venus, whic rules his intercepted 7th house.

As a matter of fact, composite Moon is conjunct his Venus (3 degrees though), and composite Mars and NN are conjunct his Pluto, hence illuminating his natal Venus-Pluto-square.


Scary, right?

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I know (based on some flashes) we were from different social backgrounds and we were separated through an arranged marriage and it's happening again...not the marriage lol but the different backgrounds.

I have no clue what to look for to find this.


9H/9R afflictions, namely involving the IC, 4R, MOON, SATURN, and Nodal contacts. Pay closest attention to the Angles, namely the ASC-DSC Axis.

HYBRIS (430) may be active as well; it's how we view the limitations (or perceived limitations) of our 'lot' in life. Has a lot to do with the conditions placed upon us from our background.

I'd imagine to see JUNO / HERA (103) links involving configurations of the above; especially in regards to LACHESIS (120) - showing that something isn't 'going as expected' due to an intervention of some sort.

If there's excessive pride of heritage, NIOBE (71) can also point to that. HOPI (2938), if general Native American themes, HIDALGO (944) for Latin cultures, and issues with bullying, and one seeking to exert dominance over another. In some cases, it can point to rebellion.

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posted June 05, 2014 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
so my flashes are either much older lives, or for something else or dreams or my Madhatter lol

You have an Alice / Carrollian / Dodgsonian theme, Lee? I've become the essential expert on this, given my having to ferret out my own karmic mysteries.

Did you notice that MADHATTER was heavily aspected? Or is the theme from somewhere else? Is it represented astrologically?

You've got my antennae up. Way, way up. Ceri can confirm that.

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posted June 05, 2014 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, Lee:

Do you have a SNODE-SUN-KARMA conjunction in your present tropical natal?

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
9H/9R afflictions, namely involving the IC, 4R, MOON, SATURN, and Nodal contacts. Pay closest attention to the Angles, namely the ASC-DSC Axis.

HYBRIS (430) may be active as well; it's how we view the limitations (or perceived limitations) of our 'lot' in life. Has a lot to do with the conditions placed upon us from our background.

I'd imagine to see JUNO / HERA (103) links involving configurations of the above; especially in regards to LACHESIS (120) - showing that something isn't 'going as expected' due to an intervention of some sort.

If there's excessive pride of heritage, NIOBE (71) can also point to that. HOPI (2938), if general Native American themes, HIDALGO (944) for Latin cultures, and issues with bullying, and one seeking to exert dominance over another. In some cases, it can point to rebellion.



Thank you, wow, so much info here... I've never checked those...Actually, in my flashes we were separated by third parties, it was something like Romeo and Juliet and those two rivals houses...but differently, in the sense that I was a girl from a lower social class ( by that I mean a peasant, of course a peasant is not "lower", but in those times it was considered so) and he was a noble of some sorts who was forcefully married to someone else. And I think one of us killed himself/herself because we couldn't be together and the other followed. Or, he dies in a battle and I killed myself (I'm not sure about this, but in some of the flashes, he was wearing a military uniform). Essentially, one died and the other followed him/her; but we were madly in love. Quite the tragic story! Actually, I laughed like a crazy woman when I had these flashes in meditation, I thought it was unreal.


I will definitely look for those Alice themed asteroids and the Madhatter, I've never checked them. Thank you! But why Alice? Because she lived in both worlds?

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posted June 05, 2014 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Also, Lee:

Do you have a SNODE-SUN-KARMA conjunction in your present tropical natal?


No. Just SN conjunct Karma in Gemini by 3 deg. NN in 14 Sag BTW. And Sun squaring all this by 6 (NN/SN) and 3 (Karma). And Moon at 14 Leo.

My NN conjuncts Neptune by 6.

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One flash was the garden of Gethsemane.

The other flash was being buried alive. Nice. I donīt think I can find it in the chart though.

Oh and one where he played me and in the end deserted me.

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posted June 05, 2014 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, Indigo you wise soul,

What is your past life impression on the aspects i listed in the OP?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
One flash was the garden of Gethsemane.

The other flash was being buried alive. Nice. I donīt think I can find it in the chart though.

Oh and one where he played me and in the end deserted me.


Life in the past was more brutal and dark than spiritual and enlightening, like Lo wants to see it.

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