posted June 17, 2014 11:51 AM            

And so, apart from the composite alignments (conj./opp.), we may conclude that some aspects in a Composite are way more relevant than others .. well, who would've thought I would ever pay attention to a Composite Vertex/Mercury semi-sextile?? And if we analyze it further than an interesting pattern appears;
As I said, we also have that Chiron/Jupiter trine exact in our Composite (bear hug).
This aspect is connected to that Composite Vertex/Mercury semi-sextile (bear hug) there.. AS... in our Composite there's also an exact Chiron/Vertex opposition.

So, the most interesting thing in a composite would be the connectedness of Composite alignments (conj/opp) WITH Composite aspects as the result of an underlying Bear Hug.

posted June 17, 2014 01:44 PM            

thank you, dear

posted March 06, 2016 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

"mutal cross aspect AND parallel natal aspect"

a mutual cross aspect is a Double Whammy in synastry, but it MUST be the same aspect.

a parallel natal aspects would be, if we also had the same planets aspecting each other natally.

The simultaneious presence of a parallel angle in both natals AND a mutual cross chart aspect or DW in synastry does not happen in every comparision, but if it does, it is very significant, and certainly one of the basic themes of that connection.

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why would it be very significant? because of the repetitive pattern in all three?

in my case, our proverbial Sun - Venus double opposition in our synastry takes part of the planetary alignment Cohran is talking about.

my natal - Sun- Venus semisquare 0 degree
his natal - Sun- Venus semisquare 0' degree

synastry - Sun-Venus opposition 0' DW

Composite - Sun- Venus opposition 0' degree

and also our Sun-Venus midpoints are the same (opposing)- 24' Pisces and 24' Virgo

posted March 07, 2016 12:33 AM            

Her Mars 5Gem41 conj my Venus 10Gem29
Her Venus 26Leo15 conj my Mars 19Leo37
Comp Mars 12Can39
Comp Venus 16Can32

posted March 07, 2016 01:00 AM            

5/20/80 Her ASC 28Aqua17 opp my ASC 23Leo19.

posted March 07, 2016 02:01 AM            

I love the op by the way-of course... a joy to read...

Here is my garbled application thereof

His antivertex and Mars are very tightly conjunct composite North Node, 0'07 degrees or something--and his vertex is parallel that node very tight also. So that's significant because transits triggering his vertex are also triggering our nodes! Huge i think...

That node/vertex axis is conjunct my Asc/Descendant by 2 degrees... and his Saturn... things that happen to him of absolute necessity and to me in a very immediate sense will also kind of affect "us" and our fulfillment as a couple.... this makes sense...

Composite Moon conjunct his Ceres (and forms a whole lotta nice aspects to pretty much everything in the composite... save Sun but it's a separating conjuction of 13 degrees so I take the newness of the lunar phase and run with it like the wind. Gotta love freshness)

Composite Saturn opposite my Jupiter (dun dun duuuun)

I like that both of our Moons are novile composite moon/anti-vertex. Does this fit any of those things? Heh..

Composite Mars opposite my Venus because my Mars is 1 Aries his is 4 Taurus and I'm at 17 (nearer 18) Libra.. This seems normal though I don't know if there's anything special about it other than the obvious connotations... but i see what he's saying and why it's cool i think; it's nice to remember we're both participating in this energy and it is indeed fulfilling..

Composite Chiron conjunct his Ascendant (2-3 degrees) (and trine my Venus but i know we ain't working wit trines here sorry!)

Composite Sun conjunct his Midheaven (4 degrees off though not sure this counts regarding the connection to transits, but as a precursor to fulfillment of MC occurences and principles it makes sense and suits nicely I think)...

Composite Venus conjunct his IC (3 degrees) and my MC (5 degrees)...

My natal Sun is 34 degrees from my Venus; his is 36 degrees from his Venus... (? Does this count?). Both our Suns are peregrine save wide conjunction and opposition to Pluto (his opposition is 7 degrees my conjuction is 9). Both of our Venuses are 12th house planets, in their domicile and peregrine (but his is conjunct his Chiron...)

posted March 07, 2016 02:33 AM            

My natal: Moon square Uranus (1˚ )
His natal: Moon square Uranus (3˚ )

Synastry:
His Moon trine my Uranus (0˚ )
My Moon trine his Uranus (5˚ )

posted March 07, 2016 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

my natal - Sun- Venus semisquare 0 degree
his natal - Sun- Venus semisquare 0' degree

synastry - Sun-Venus opposition 0' DW

Composite - Sun- Venus opposition 0' degree

and also our Sun-Venus midpoints are the same (opposing)- 24' Pisces and 24' Virgo

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You just answered your question, didn`t you?
how could THAT not be significant?

posted March 07, 2016 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You just answered your question, didn`t you?
how could THAT not be significant?

(Also remember the rule of 3, if 3 astrological factors point in the same direction, the manifestion becomes more than possible, but very likely)

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posted March 07, 2016 11:43 AM            

Yes Orange, even midpoints conjunct, rarity.

Interesting example;

Harold pinter left a DW Sun/Venus TRINE (Vivien Merchant) for his one & only love, a DW Sun/Venus SQUARE (Antonia Fraser).

Harold had, even as these 2 women, a natal Sun/Venus SEMI-SQUARE. So, all of them had.

A Literary Romance, Rich in A-List Names

The three words that make up the title of Antonia Fraser’s fond and affecting new memoir were spoken to her by Harold Pinter, the playwright, at a party in London in the winter of 1975.

Ms. Fraser walked up to Pinter, before leaving, to say that she liked his play, “The Birthday Party.” The two barely knew each other. He looked back at her with what she calls “amazing, extremely bright black eyes” and said, “Must you go?”

She was 42. He was 44. Each was smitten. Each was also married and had been for nearly two decades — Ms. Fraser to Sir Hugh Fraser, a Conservative member of Parliament (they had six children), and Pinter to the actress Vivien Merchant (they had one child). Both were well along in their careers, Ms. Fraser as a best-selling historian (“Mary Queen of Scots”) and Pinter as, well, Pinter, theater’s master of the anxious pause.

Before long they were a couple, and vinegary fodder for London’s tabloids, which ate up the story of, as Ms. Fraser puts it, “the working class Jewish boy from the East End and the Catholic aristocrat with her title.” In truth, Ms. Fraser says, by the mid-1970s they were successful and more alike than not. “Harold and I belonged to the same class: I will call it the Bohemian class.”

He called her his destiny and wrote her love poems, some of them later collected in a volume called “Six Poems for A” (2007). She loved his bristling mind, his “awesome baritone” and the way his “black curly hair and pointed ears” made him look “like a satyr.” They remained happily together (marrying in 1980) for 33 years, through his Nobel Prize in 2005 and until his death from cancer, at 78, in December 2008.
Read further; http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/29/books/29book.html?_r=0

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But wat was the difference ^? Can we clearly see the stronger connection between Antonia and him? With both he had a tight Compo Sun/Venus conjunction. With Vivien 0'50 orb, with Antonia 1,5.

I remember frustratingly researching this couple once, and I simply couldn't SEE it back then.

Regarding the Sun/Venus DW square, it might be simple now. They both resonated more with that (instead of the DW Sun/Venus trine he shared with Vivien) because of their natal Sun/Venus semi-square.

But then... there must be something more..

And suddenly I got it!

The TRUE beauty-!;

A *BEAR HUG* between their Luminaries,

A Sun/Moon DW BI-septile! (= 102'52 deg)

posted March 07, 2016 01:48 PM            

So yes, DM, I have to correct my assessment, I always forget about the midpoint-conjunctions, but the important thing being they have to be the SAME midpoint.

I am still trying to figure out what it means that Mr Sag and me have our Mercury/Pluto-mp conjunct each other (and falling onto our composite MC.
Granted it is not a very close midpoint-conjunction, but I think it is there.

my Mercury/Pluto 17°03 Scorpio
his Mercury/Pluto 15°23 Scorpio

Our Mercury/Venus-midpoints are also rather close to each other, though also not THAT tight, so probably we couldn`t consider that as a conjunction

my Mercury/Venus 00°35 Cap
his Mercury/Venus 02°39 Cap

it`s interesting though how our first meeting chart has Pluto on 00°32 Cap and Moon on 1°55 Cap.
(and this part of the zodiac often being on the ASC or the Moon being close there at those significant events; the mid Scorpio-Taurus axis also features more frequently than I would have expected)

But then so does 12 Capricorn for some reason. lol We do not have conjuncting midpoint there however there is

his Sun/Venus 11°26 Cap
his Moon/Venus 12°17 Cap
his Venus/MC 12°07 Cap

my Moon/Mars 11°08 Cap
my Moon/ASC 12°03 Cap

Probably totally random and not bearing any meaning at all, but after we had the 3rd or 4th event chart last year with Pluto on the ASC on 11-13 Cap, I couldn´t help but notice that.

posted March 07, 2016 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

So yes, DM, I have to correct my assessment, I always forget about the midpoint-conjunctions, but the important thing being they have to be the SAME midpoint.

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Do they? I mean, I understand why you'd say that, but you know what, the more I read about mp's the more I think they could all count (like a Sun/Moon conjunct a Venus/Jupiter in synastry), except it would be more subtle and of course midpoint energy is very passive and needs activation from one partner's planet or a transit or progression or solar arc (except in the last cases it would be a passing influence). I know you might think it's a stretch, but if we keep the orbs <1 deg and stick to just conjunction/opposition and only use planets and main points, you won't find that many mp's.

posted March 07, 2016 02:46 PM            

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his Sun/Venus 11°26 Cap
his Moon/Venus 12°17 Cap
his Venus/MC 12°07 Cap

my Moon/Mars 11°08 Cap
my Moon/ASC 12°03 Cap

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posted March 07, 2016 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Do they? I mean, I understand why you'd say that, but you know what, the more I read about mp's the more I think they could all count (like a Sun/Moon conjunct a Venus/Jupiter in synastry), except it would be more subtle and of course midpoint energy is very passive and needs activation from one partner's planet or a transit or progression or solar arc (except in the last cases it would be a passing influence). I know you might think it's a stretch, but if we keep the orbs <1 deg and stick to just conjunction/opposition and only use planets and main points, you won't find that many mp's.

I was in a midpoint frenzy today. I think they might be more important than I ever gave them credit.

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Yes, midpoints are MAJOR, esp. direct ones.

I also agree with you, maybe they ARE more important, even if not the same midpoints.

The same midpoints conjunt/Opp. each other however are singled out because they relate to the composite alignments. Nevertheless at the end of the book Cochrane sais even himself that maybe we need to give more credit to them than he did so far (and the magi work with them extensively).

posted March 07, 2016 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
What happened when Pluto was at 11-12 Cap?

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Oh the usual.

Well starting with the comment he let slide on stage that I was driving him crazy. lol up to the fanmeeting last august, when he would not leave me be for the whole time, mostly teasing me though, except for the first moment, which was interesting. As of course i was totally oblivious he had apparently observing me (he was sitting right behind me which I sort of had not payed too much attention to. Dinner just was served and I was nicely chatting with the women at my table, until one of them suddenly called out over to him if he wanted to have something sweet as well.
Wel I had ordered pancakes when everyone else was eating real food. lol

And when I turned around in my chair, well I had not noticed before just how close he had been sitting to begin with, and then he was leaning even more closely, and then eventually it registered with me that one of us had to say something or things would start feel very awkward and weird. lol
He thought so, too, aparently, cause he asked me how the pancakes were. I told him they were cold by now (I had left the dinnertable for a short call just when the food had been served - so it was a of course self-irony) and he responded: "Cold? **** ." Which made me laugh, cause it was delivered in such a deadbeat overdramatizing tone for something as unimportant as that. lol.

Well it later on contintued a little cause just after the waiter had come to get the plates away (I had not eaten even half of it) and well the waiter seemed to like me I guess, cause he was coming to our table more often than others, and was even sitting down beside me to inquire about why I had not eaten the pancakes and other smalltalk.

I had no clue Mr Sag had noticed that, but then I looked up and saw he had stopped the waiter who wanted to leave the room, and I guess I must have had my quizzical look, cause the waiter seemed embarassed (because Mr Sag was inspecting my leftovers) and the waiter said: "I wasn`t allowed to leave. He didn`t let me."
(yeah that`s what he does, right? He never lets you leave!)

And Mr Sag called out to me how the pancakes have been and why I had not eaten them. I said the same thing I said to the waiter that I had just been full, but Mr Sag did not believe that mumbling in a theatre whisper that he was eating double of that for breakfast, and asked again. how the pancakes were. And well, I like to be polite, but lying? No way, so I had to admit they weren`t that good to begin with. LOL

And such the whole evening continued (4 hours of being roasted alive by him. ), well could have been more but I left prematurely (my Dad was waiting outside to pick me up), and even then he managed to tease me about it, joking that now that i had gotten everything from him (there had been some quiz, let`s not talk about that one ), I was leaving, and was pretty much complaining about this. It was actually pretty much fun. lol

posted March 07, 2016 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Yes, midpoints are MAJOR, esp. direct ones.

I also agree with you, maybe they ARE more important, even if not the same midpoints.

The same midpoints conjunt/Opp. each other however are singled out because they relate to the composite alignments. Nevertheless at the end of the book Cochrane sais even himself that maybe we need to give more credit to them than he did so far (and the magi work with them extensively).

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posted March 07, 2016 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Btw guys how many bear hugs have you generally encountered in a good synastry?

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Well, to be honest not that much.. but my focus on those isn't so steady either. Although I WOULD notice a Sun/Moon or Venus/Mars one, Always. They can be pretty hidden with all those minor aspects.

I just discovered my first BEAR HUG with that late one of mine (pretty clear with a DW *trine*);

MOON/LILITH (h21, that's the one I Always use for lilith as I consider it the most astronomically tuned one, but this one is usual very close to the black moon lilith on the additional object list, so that's why the latter also works is my guess).

His Lilith trine my Moon: 2 deg
My Lilith trine his Moon: 0'50

His Lilith/Moon midpoint: 29'26 Aries
My lilith/Moon midpoint: 28'01 Libra

posted March 07, 2016 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
LOL! So right on the mark of food, indulgence, flirting and good times, just like the mp's suggest!

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yes, it also kinda reminds me that his Eros (and my name in his chart) are conjunct my Ceres-Jupiter from 8-11 Pisces. lol#

It was all pretty nice though.
I guess I blew my cover, when I had been building a house with beer coasters, was seriously debating with the other woman if I needed a legal document for building a garage to it (she works in that department. lol) and another woman was blowing against my house of cards and it was all gone. ANd I was pretty much scolding and moping about that, LOUDLY. And just at my most childish moment, not to mention that I had the attention of the whole table of total stranger, HE had to enter the room. LOL

But hey, I wasn`t going to wait around for anyone, not even him, but just was trying to have a good time, in a total foreign situation for me, as I literally did nto know ONE person there. lol Well now I do.