posted May 10, 2013 06:37 AM            

It is simply a summarizing of David Cochrane`s chapter on compatibility in the book "Astrology for the 21st century", and I want to share the informations in there, cause I have found them to be very valid.

Preface

° composite alignments =
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conjunction/Opposition in the composite chart (no other aspects)

° orb: 2,5 degrees, but 1,5 degrees are necessarry for strong bonding patterns
(this relates to the composite alignments, not necessarily the synastric or natal aspects - the orbs for composite need to be much tighter than natal orbs to ensure the underlying principles, that are indicative of the bonding patterns, are still at work)

Also, he mentions that the composite of transits to natal chart is equally valid, and perhaps even more important than transit aspects to natal planets.

I definitely had noticed the importance of composites between transits and natal chart as well, quite some time before I read it in this book, so I feel sort of confirmed in my own findings, and encouraged to research that even more seriously, as I have treated it a bit as a "playground" until now

Three "Keys"
compatibility key 1: composite alignments (conj./ opp.): VERY powerful

reasons for the powerfulness of composite
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conjunctions and oppositions:
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1) mutual cross chart angle or aspect (synastry)

2) parallel angle or aspect (natal)

DEGREES of POWER
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most powerful
composite alignment that is supported by mutal cross aspect AND parallel natal aspect
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second most powerful
composite alignmetn that is supported by mutual cross aspect but NO parallel natal
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aspect
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maybe not third most powerful, but still important
composite alignment thta is supported by parallel natal aspect but NO mutual cross aspect.

(I think aspects would include the lower harmonics and minor aspects as well; probably up to the point when their effect gets too internal to be anything but subtly seen; so the aspect series would include the 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 12th harmonic and probably the quindecile; but most likely the major aspects would have the srongest effect)

compatibility Key 2: Bear Hug
° 2 planets in a chart are surrounded by the same 2 planets in the other chart

2 conditions for this pattern
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1) A`s planets surround the same planets in B`s chart

2) A`s planets make the same angle to B`s planets

3 CHARACTERISTICS of a Bear Hug pattern
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1) triple mutual angle:
let`s say there is a Bear Hug Pattern with Sun and Moon.

So A`s Sun and Moon would surround B`s Sun and Moon
AND
the angle of A`s Sun to B`s Moon is the same as the angle of A`s Moon to B`s Sun

in the composite the same angle between these planets will occor again

2) Reverse shift
Let`s say A`s Sun is 10 Sagittarius, B`s Moon is 10 Libra, B`s Sun is 10 Leo and A`s Moon is 10 Gemini

First condition is fulfilled; as A`s planets surround or embrace B`s planets like a bracket.

Second condition is fulfilled, too, as A`s Sun is 60 degrees of B`s Moon, and A`s Moon is 60 degrees of A`s Sun - so the same angle is existent.

However, A`s Sun is 60 degrees AFTER B`s Moon, while A`s Moon is 60 degrees BEFORE B`s Sun - that is what he means by reverse shift, and of course that is just another way of saying that A`s planets surround B`s planets.

3) midpoint alingment
there is a conj./ opposition of both people midpoints`

A`s Sun/MOon: 10 Virgo (or Pisces)
B`s Sun/Moon: 10 Virgo

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also of importance:
parallel aspects

shared aspect in the natal charts of two people, which shows they have a characteristic in common, which is conductive to friendship (or as I usually put it, potential for "common ground")

The composite alignment and Big Bear Hug pattern are powerful, because there is more than 1 interaction between 2 planets

if the cross chart angle is also an aspect , then the pattern is extremely powerfula nd becomes an extremely powerful bonding force between two people

The comp. alignment is powerful even if an aspect between the planets is not involved because there is by definition an aspect in the composite chart.

the Bear Hug pattern, however, has only the aspect of a conjunction or opposition of midpoints which is much less significant, so therefore a Bear Hug pattern is very powerful only if someo of the angles involved are also aspects.

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he introduces the term "harmonic composite alignment", which means that you take into consideration what mutual cross aspect is underlying the composite alignment.

he also mentions that a mutual cross chart aspect always produces either a composite alingment pattern or a bear hug pattern.

So, he concludes this "key"

third most powerful

a harmonic bear hug pattern that is reinforced by a mutual cross chart aspect
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(of course of the same planets that make the bear hug pattern)

compatibility key 3: composite planet conjunct or opposition a natal planet

(my favourite one and he taught me something new here!)

° these alignments are important becaus ethe degree involved is critical; any transti of that degree activates the composite and the individual`s chart!

(that is how I always seen its importance, yes, but now comes the new thing, that which I have not really realized before, but it is vital in terms how to interprete that pattern)

° there is a resonating angle involved

example:
A`s Venus at 10 Taurus and A Mars at 20 Taurus; B Mars at 00 Taurus

composite Mars 10 Taurus conjunct A`s natal Venus

The angle of persons A Venus to both his/ her own Mars and to person`s Mars is 10 degrees. Person B`s Mars is at a "balancing point" on the other side of A Venus. Sort of a very individual solstice point or refleciton point, as I thought reading this.

He sais: "This balancing point seems to be a positive point of fulfillment for person A, and almost equally fulfilling for Person B who feels the inclination o provide the qualitiy of that planet in relationship to the planet in person As chart" (p. 172)

How I would interprete it that, since the composite planet is the sum of both individual`s planets, they are both participating in its energy or quality. So if my natal planet is conjunct the composite Moon, of course I am relating to the emotional athmosphere of the relationship. but what does MAKE this athmosphere?
It is realy the relating of both lunar principles in the natal charts, and being equidistant from my planet, it is like I see in the other person (his Moon) qualities about my own internal lunar experience reflected, and thus might feel quite bonded to this, as he opens gateways for me to touch upon that feeling or principle inside.

But back to Cochrane

fourth most powerful is a conjunction or opposition of a composite planet to a planet in one of the individuals chart. The fifths most powerful connection is this same alignment, when not supported by aspects

For example:
My Venus might be conjunct the composite Mars, but if my Venus was trine my own Mars and also his Mars, it would be stronger and more powerful, as if the angle was, let´s say 22 degrees.

However he also sais, that the existence of such an alignment alone, even without underlying synastric aspects, is very significant, whereas a Bear Hug pattern is ONLY significant WITH the underlying cross chart aspects.

6th most powerful is harmonic triangles formed between two charts
For example.
A Moon 80 degrees of B Venus and both 40 degrees to A Mars

That would be a 9th harmonic triangle; however, I think it would be stronger if it was symmetrical and involving a midpoint-alignment.

A Moon 80 degrees of A Venus and both 40 degrees of B Mars (in this case B planet would be on the midpoint of A Moon/Venus - maybe one could differentiate midpoints like this, as this would b a 9th harmonic midpoint alignment, which might feel different from a 4th harmonic midpoint alingment - a T-square)

7th most powerful the existence of parallel harmonic triangles

Two people have the same planets in a harmonic triangle.
Like both having Sun, Moon and Jupiter in 3rd harmonic aspects in their natal.

If these overlap, meaning there are cross chart aspects with Sun, Moon and Jupiter, there must aslo be a composite alingment pattern or a bear hug pattern.

in a last chapter, he mentiones the persistence of composite Angles with varying fiducal or zodiac-starting points.
We are usually starting with 00 Aries (in tropical zodiac), but there are different starting points possible. For example we know about the Draco chart, which usese the NOrth Node as starting point.
He mentions that one could use the ASC as starting point (which actually makes much sense, as this is our individual ARies point, the entry in this incarnation,).

Anyway, the interesting thing is that it does not matter where you start the zodiac, the composite aspects will be the same or complimentary aspects.

Meaning. a conjunction can either stay a conjunction or become an opposition; a trine can stay a trine or become a sextile and so on.

He concludes from that, that yes, the composite ocnjunctions and oppositions are most powerfuly, but that also the other tight composite aspects might be more important than he originally believed.

Which I would want to emphasize as well. Especially if the tight composite aspect are supported by a mutual cross chart aspect or a shared natal aspect.
If we share the same aspct natally, it makes sense it comes up in the composite chart as well, as we carry this characteristics into the relationship, espeically if both have it.

posted May 10, 2013 09:10 AM            

I am using my parents as an example:

(1) composite conjunctions/ oppositions
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a) composite Mars conjunct SAturn 2°15 (on the wide side almost)

mutual cross aspect: conjunction
shared natal aspect: none

b) composite MArs conjunct SN 2°28

mutual cross aspect: wide quinkunx
shared natal aspect: wide conjunction

c) composite Moon conjunct Antivertex 0°21

mutual cross aspect: triseptile
shared natal aspect: sextile

so this is a 7th harmonic Moon-Antivertex composite alignment

I did not really check asteroids, but know from earlier check ups of their chart, that they have Amor conjunct NN in composite

(2) Bear Hug
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They have one with Moon and Venus.

the mutual cross aspect is a sesisquare (it has to be the very same aspect for making a bear hug).

So this is an 8th harmonic Moon-Venus Bear Hug (my Dad`s Moon and Venus are surrounding my Mum`s).

The 8th harmonic is of course a dynamic harmonic, and it shows in their interaction. They are very lovey dovey and sweet to each other, but their sweetness certainly has an edge; they are teasing each other a lot, but in a way it is just an indicator of their affectionate relationship to each other.

(3) composite - natal alignments
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a) my Dad`s perspective:

C-Mercury conjunct his IC 1-37

c-ASC conjunct his Pluto 2-30
c-DESC conjunct his Venus 0-40
c-DESC conjunct his Jupiter 2-30

it may not be that many alingments here, but those tha show are very important, for once they involve the angles, and secondly esp. the ones to the composite ASC-DESC-axis wake up his natal Venus-Jupiter-Pluto-configuration (no wonder he married a Scorpio )

b) my Mom`s perspective

c-Moon conjunct her ASC 3-26
c- Moon conjunct her Uranus 0-54
c-Avx conjunct her Uranus 0-31

c-Mars conjunct her Moon 1-44
c-Saturn conjunct her Moon 0-32

c-Jupiter conjunct her MC 1-02
c-Jupiter conjunct her NN 0-39

SEeing the Uranus-aspects I find it interesting she married an Aquarius. lol

The composite Mars-SAturn conjunction falling onto her Moon (and the c-SN is widely conjunct as well at 4 degrees), she is the one who feels that most I think.
Actually unlike one would expect, it is always her who sometimes feels she needs a little more breathing space; though at the same time she very much needs the security and connectedness the relationship provides her with.

posted May 10, 2013 10:48 AM              

The composite between my SO and I have many conjunctions and oppositions between our natals not to mention double whammy venus contraparallel pluto. Not sure if I am able to get into length with our aspects as this is alot of information but so valuable & worth looking into more to learn.

posted May 10, 2013 09:29 PM            

What a great find!!!
Thanks for sharing... I am going to try to look into it...

posted May 11, 2013 07:17 AM            

Composite:
1) Moon conjunct Pluto 3’01
1) none
2) Natal aspect: Pluto square Moon

2) Neptune conjunct Vertex 0'12
1) Mutual angle 50d
2) Mutual natal angle 40d

[b]3) Descendant conjunct POF 0'37
1)none
2)none

Venus opposite Chiron 1'31
1)mutual aspect: sesquicuadrate
2)none

posted May 11, 2013 07:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by cappy1277:
thankful that there is something out there to support to what I have been thinking all along.

The composite between my SO and I have many conjunctions and oppositions between our natals not to mention double whammy venus contraparallel pluto. Not sure if I am able to get into length with our aspects as this is alot of information but so valuable & worth looking into more to learn.

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I actually find the conjunction/Opposition between composite and natal most enlightening, also in terms of the different affect the same relationship can have on people.

Oh and how dreadful to find that only my major planets are triggered, but not his. At least potentially. I guess in such a case we have a clear marker for unrequited feelings. (of course some other things havwe to be checked as well).

But keep in mind that the orb being used does not exceed 3 degrees, in fact it should be under 2 degrees.

The reason for this is simple; if you go beyond that orb, the underlying resonance will not exist anymore.
While conjunctions might even be felt with an orb greater than 2-3 degrees, it will be much weaker and not indicative of a certain resonance.

posted May 11, 2013 07:30 AM            

"Composite:
1) Moon conjunct Pluto 3’01
1) none
2) Natal aspect: Pluto square Moon"
The orb is greater than what Cochrane proposes, and finds to be necessary for very strong contacts.
Personally however I think it is still pretty tight. lol
And Moon-Pluto. Boy, that is intense!

How much orb do the natal squares have?
Well, it probably would be stronger if there was actually a mutual cross chart aspect, but I definitely pay attention to natal aspects that are being carried into the relationship. In fact this seems to be a highly personal resonance to me!

"2) Neptune conjunct Vertex 0'12
1) Mutual angle 50d
2) Mutual natal angle 40d"
Hmm, the septile angle seems to be rather wide, or is it still within 1°30 orb?

But still a strong resonance.

"Venus opposite Chiron 1'31
1)mutual aspect: sesquicuadrate
2)none"

I find this scenario interesting. how two people do NOT share a trait, so Venus-Chiron is not personally an issue for you, but it becomes so through interaction, and becomes quite a prominent factor in the relationship-
Wounding? Healing? Both?
How do you experience it?

posted May 11, 2013 07:55 AM            

But next:

a) From my perspective:
C. ASC conjuncts my Moon 1'13
My Moon semisextiles his ASC
My Moon semisextiles my ASC

C. IC conjuncts my Sun 1'30

C. Sun conjuncts my Neptune 0'45
My Neptune squares his Sun
My Neptune squares my Sun

C. POF opposite my Moon 1'5

C. Karma conjuncts my Mars 0'44
My Mars squares his Karma
My Mars squares my Karma - included this because natally Karma is pretty involved - his Karma conjuncts my ASC, my Karma conjuncts my DSC (both are exactly opposite each other) + my Karma conjuncts his Venus exact, which is on my DSC within a degree. All this squares my Mars.

C. Neptune conjuncts my Uranus 0'45
My Uranus conjuncts his Neptune
My Uranus conjuncts my Neptune

C. Vertex conjuncts my Uranus 0'58

b) from his perspective:

C. Sun conjuncts his Jupiter 1'29
His Jupiter square my Sun
His Jupiter square his Sun

C. Sun conjuncts his Descendant 0'31
His Descendant widely squares my Sun
His Descendant widely squares his Sun

C. North Node conjuncts his Sun 0'49
His Sun sextiles my North Node
His Sun sextiles his North Node

posted May 11, 2013 08:01 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Selene,

"Composite:
1) Moon conjunct Pluto 3’01
1) none
2) Natal aspect: Pluto square Moon"
The orb is greater than what Cochrane proposes, and finds to be necessary for very strong contacts.
Personally however I think it is still pretty tight. lol
And Moon-Pluto. Boy, that is intense!

How much orb do the natal squares have?
Well, it probably would be stronger if there was actually a mutual cross chart aspect, but I definitely pay attention to natal aspects that are being carried into the relationship. In fact this seems to be a highly personal resonance to me!

"2) Neptune conjunct Vertex 0'12
1) Mutual angle 50d
2) Mutual natal angle 40d"
Hmm, the septile angle seems to be rather wide, or is it still within 1°30 orb?

But still a strong resonance.

"Venus opposite Chiron 1'31
1)mutual aspect: sesquicuadrate
2)none"

I find this scenario interesting. how two people do NOT share a trait, so Venus-Chiron is not personally an issue for you, but it becomes so through interaction, and becomes quite a prominent factor in the relationship-
Wounding? Healing? Both?
How do you experience it?

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Moon - Pluto squares are equal for both of us - 3 degrees in our natal charts.
The septile is within the orb, as you say. At first i didn't realize it was a septile as astro.com doesn't count it.

Venus - Chiron is pretty relevant, i think, because right now transit Chiron is applying to his natal Venus and making a quincunx to my natal Venus, so it does seem appropriate to say - as above so below.

posted May 25, 2013 08:28 AM            

This is really too interesting to let it go.

More examples to share?

quote:

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Oh and how dreadful to find that only my major planets are triggered, but not his. At least potentially. I guess in such a case we have a clear marker for unrequited feelings. (of course some other things havwe to be checked as well).

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Dreadful lol.
Have you checked the composite declinations?

posted May 25, 2013 03:21 PM            

We have several similarities, just it's in Quinx signs...
We both have sun conjunct merc and mars
Just the orbs are different..
My sun/mercury is a tighter conjunction than his.
His sun/mars is tighter than mine..
He has moon in h4, I have Venus in h4

I think this gives some similar qualities, different but similar..

posted May 25, 2013 03:49 PM            

I don't really get what you mean by:

"composites between transits and natal chart" (so, would you make a composite of transits and a natal chart?!!)

'Parallel angles'

"composite alignment"

"mutal cross aspect AND parallel natal aspect" (now I am completely lost)

Would you mind giving a few examples with reference to an actual chart, mine for example ? That would be really helpful. If you agree, I will post a synastry or composite for you to look at.

posted May 26, 2013 06:38 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mir:
[B Dreadful lol.
Have you checked the composite declinations?

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This was actually not a real example, but just theoretical.

As for declinations, since our personal planets are having some parallels, they are bound to appear in composite and also in the connection to the natals as well, of course. Though seeing our composite declinations made me almost giggle. lol

in composite:

1.st complex:
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Sun: 23.23 S
Mercury: 22.49 S
Venus: 22.28 S
Neptune: 22.37 S

Jupiter: 22.03 N

to natals:

his Sun: 23.24 S
his Venus: 22.39 S
his MC: 23.25 S

my Sun: 23.22 S
(my Venus: 24.06 S)
my NN: 21.58 S
my ASC: 21.29 S

my Vertex: 21.43 N
my Saturn: 21.56 N

(Well, seems it is relating more closely to his declinations as I just see)

Interestingly it seems he has a Double Whammy of Venus-Sun in the declinations with the composite; and when we met his pr Sun had been precisely conjunct his natal Venus with an orb of 0°00 - which was only valid for a timeframe of about 5 days.

posted May 26, 2013 06:59 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lioness:
With fishy we both have Venus sq Pluto in our natals, but we have an age gap, and we do not have venus/Pluto in synastry...
However we have Venus opps Pluto exact in composite.
I really feel the Venus/Pluto energy between us, it's a major theme..

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Lioness,

I have the same.
We both have Venus-Pluto-square in natal, but since he is 5 years younger, it does not occur in synastry. However in the composite it comes up as a 1 degree square again.
(in heliocentric his Pluto is actually exactly square my Venus as well).

I definitely think that this is a major theme, as it is a natal theme for both of us, so when our energies meet, these themes resonate or echo each other, and there is really no way around it, which is also shown in the composite. Natal themes will always, pretty much always, show up in composite as well, even if they are not conjunct!

For the both of us, it is not just the Venus-Pluto-square natally, but for me the ruler of 2nd in 8th house and ruler of 8th in 2nd house and quinkunx each other add to the Venus-Pluto-theme.
For him it is Pluto, as ruler of 8th house (double PLuto there, as Pluto also naturally rules 8th house), falling into his 7th house and into Libra obviously.
Venus as intercepted 7th house ruler squares Pluto as 8th house ruler. Another Venus-Pluto-strike.

So Venus-Pluto is very individual theme for us, as it is tied to our birthtime as well, just for me the emphasis is more on the Taurus-sCorpio-axis or 2nd-8th house, while for him it is more Libra-Scorpio or 7th-8th house-related.
Though having said that, since Venus rules hi 2nd house, too, it means that the ruler of his 2nd house squares his 8th house ruler, so actually in his chart Venus-Pluto is related to 2nd-8th house as well.

In the composite the ruler of 2nd house conjuncts ruler of 8th house (but in the 11th house).

posted May 26, 2013 07:14 AM            

I will give you an example from mine, and then you can exercise with yours, and see if you understand what I mean.

my natal:

his natal:

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composite:

posted May 26, 2013 07:25 AM            

In my example we both have Venus-Pluto-square.
his Venus on 25 Cap squars Pluto on 21 LIbra in his chart.
my Venus on 6 Cap squares Pluto n 9 Libra in my chart.

This would be a parallel angle.

"composite alignment"
Cochrane calls the conjunction and opposition within 2,5 degrees in a composite a "compostie alignment"

"mutal cross aspect AND parallel natal aspect"

a mutual cross aspect is a Double Whammy in synastry, but it MUST be the same aspect.

In the case of my example there is a mutual Mercury-Neptune-conjunction, as his Mercury conjuncts my Neptune,a nd his Neptune conjuncts my Mercury.

Another mutual cross aspect is his Mercury sextile my pluto and my Mercury sextile his Pluto.

a parallel natal aspects would be, if we also had the same planets aspecting each other natally.

In this case it doesn`t happen in our synastry.
I only have the example from Jude Law`s chart and mine (yes I know ).

in his chart:
Neptune conjunct ASC

in my chart:
Neptune conjunct ASC

- this would be a parallel angle, the same aspect in each natal

synastry:
his Neptune conjuncts my ASC
my Neptune conjuncts his ASC

- a mutual cross chart aspect or Double whammy

composite alignment:
Neptune conjunct ASC

posted May 26, 2013 07:27 AM            

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composite of fmc and my natal:
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his composite with the fmc
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""composites between transits and natal chart" (so, would you make a co"

Yes, exactly, and it shows your relationship/ connection/ your experience of a certain moment in time.

Here I made the composite of both our natals with the moment we met (cause I know the actual time we did).

Interestingly as you can see the Venus-Pluto-theme is coming up here as well, though not as conjunction, but as a trine.

in my composite with the meeting it was Pluto trine Venus, though rather wide and both sextile NN.

For him it was Pluto conjunct NN, trine Venus.

posted May 26, 2013 10:46 AM            

Ok yes, most of the time you can find at least one (and often more) very strong composite alignment between the main planets (incl. chiron) in GEO.

But.. if NONE?

Well, off the top of my head;

Sarah Jessica Parker & Matthew Broderick (no birth-times available);

A too wide Composite Venus/Jupiter conjunction becomes a tight Venus/Jupiter conjunction (1) in the Helio Composite.

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Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton
(if their birth-times correct, they *do* have a composite vertex/neptune conjunction of 1'20);

A too wide Composite Saturn/Mars conjunction (6) becomes a verry tight Saturn/Mars conjunction in the Helio Composite (few minutes only).

Also; a too wide chiron/Jupiter (5-6) opposition becomes a tight one in helio (within 1). And add to that Venus conj. Chiron (2,5) and Venus opposite Jupiter (1,5). (!!!)

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A famous royal couple from my country (no birth-times - and as an exception; they *do* have a chiron/sun opp. of 1'50 in geo);

A too wide Uranus/Mars conj. (4,5) becomes a tight conj. in Helio (within 1).

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Charles darwin + Emma (no birth-times);

A Jupiter-Pluto conj. (3) becomes a conj. of 1* in Helio.

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Camilla & Charles (no birth-times);

The closest I could find was in Geo;
Chiron/Sun opp. (2,50). Not much for those love birds!

**

June & Johnny;

Although they do have a Sun/venus conj. in Geo (a little under 3*) and a NN/Merc. conj. of 1'50... I thought it was interesting to mention that their Uranus/Venus conj. of 17 degr. becomes a pretty tight one in Helio of 1,5.

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Pistorious & Steenkamp (murder case);

Well.. closest in Geo is Chiron/Uranus (2'15) but that's not a special one since many have it, and next closest is Saturn/Mars opp. of 3,5 (= middle line of a Yod in there).

When we see Helio we find a Chiron/Mars conj. of 2* and also being the very closest a Merc/Venus conj. (such a sssweet one!?) of 0'25 but Saturn is also part of that conj. being within 2* from Merc. and 2'10 from venus.

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Jodi Areas and Travis Alexander (an other murder case);

Well yes, they do have a Jupiter/Mars conj. by 2* in Geo.
In Helio it becomes an opp. within 2*.
But here we also find, being the very closest a Saturn/Venus opp. by 1'10.

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I'm DONE now! Wish I had more time..

posted May 27, 2013 12:41 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Lioness,

I have the same.
We both have Venus-Pluto-square in natal, but since he is 5 years younger, it does not occur in synastry. However in the composite it comes up as a 1 degree square again.
(in heliocentric his Pluto is actually exactly square my Venus as well).

I definitely think that this is a major theme, as it is a natal theme for both of us, so when our energies meet, these themes resonate or echo each other, and there is really no way around it, which is also shown in the composite. Natal themes will always, pretty much always, show up in composite as well, even if they are not conjunct!

For the both of us, it is not just the Venus-Pluto-square natally, but for me the ruler of 2nd in 8th house and ruler of 8th in 2nd house and quinkunx each other add to the Venus-Pluto-theme.
For him it is Pluto, as ruler of 8th house (double PLuto there, as Pluto also naturally rules 8th house), falling into his 7th house and into Libra obviously.
Venus as intercepted 7th house ruler squares Pluto as 8th house ruler. Another Venus-Pluto-strike.

So Venus-Pluto is very individual theme for us, as it is tied to our birthtime as well, just for me the emphasis is more on the Taurus-sCorpio-axis or 2nd-8th house, while for him it is more Libra-Scorpio or 7th-8th house-related.
Though having said that, since Venus rules hi 2nd house, too, it means that the ruler of his 2nd house squares his 8th house ruler, so actually in his chart Venus-Pluto is related to 2nd-8th house as well.

In the composite the ruler of 2nd house conjuncts ruler of 8th house (but in
BTW in the helio composite our Venus-Pluto square becomes an exact trine.

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Earlier today I had typed out this big ole long thing, but somehow deleted it by accident.
Sighhhhhh.

Well short version is how funny is it that the natal energy feeds off the other persons same natal aspects, even though they don't touch in synastry...

I don't really feel Venus/Pluto with people my age.
But now I really feel the energy...

What I notice is our common aspects show in composite as oppositions.

We both have sun, mercury, mars conjunct in natals.. Only the orbs are different.
In composite sun,mercury conjunct both opps mars..

The energy doesn't seem to conflict like the cookbook interruption suggest..
We don't have these huge fights., and argue like it suggest..
We do get out of sync though..
We have a ego battle, but it's done with respect...
We have never ever, use profanity or name calling towards each other..
We just know that would be crossing the line of no return.
It would be unforgivable. So the think before we act.
Which is actually mature...

I haven't looked at all the aspects from this post... I'm just going by memory.. So I'm sure there is other things..

posted June 03, 2013 05:07 PM            

Here the BIG secret!

A true BEAR HUG pattern; (GEO)

His Moon = 27'08 GEM
Her Moon = 27'31 TAURUS

His Uranus = 12'20 SAG
Her Uranus = 12'27 CAP

So, a verry CLEAR "surrounding case"! (her planets surround his')

His Uranus/Moon midpoint = 19'44 Virgo/Pisces
Her Uranus/Moon midpoint = 19'59 Pisces/Virgo

posted June 03, 2013 05:36 PM            

- His Moon QUINDECILE her Uranus
- Her Moon QUINDECILE his Uranus

TIGHTTTT!