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IndigoDirae
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posted June 24, 2014 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone want to take a stab at this?

VENUS conjunct SNODE (4°30)
MARS conjunct SNODE (8°)
EROS in same sign as SNODE (7°) and parallel
PSYCHE in same sign as SNODE (8°) and parallel

However, the EROS/PSYCHE are 18° AQU 13', which is 0°10 conjunct my SNODE (18° AQU 03'.). The VENUS/MARS is 19° AQU; so, conjunct 1°.

It seems odd to me that there is a 'debt' or something 'owed' regarding the VENUS/MARS and EROS/PSYCHE MP. As well as both VENUS and MARS being conjunct, even if EROS and PSYCHE are too far out of orb.

How would you interpret that?

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posted June 24, 2014 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
NODAL Axis + VERTICES + ASC/DSC is a very potent tie. Heavily intertwined on many levels.

Where we have karmic debts it at the SNODE, though. SATURN-NNODE can show growth through structure, order, and mentorship. But, say, if SATURN is at the SNODE, this can show a debt regarding similar things; perhaps an unresolved paternal bond or the failure to satisfy the requirements of the greater authority; a soldier deserts his general, for example; an employee leaves their boss at a startup to join a more established company. You never know how or why these debts form. It's essential to look at aspects and how the points are positioned.

If SATURN is retrograde, for example, that's an even more pressing debt.



The Saturn/NN is with my son, no my Saturn isn't Rx. It's direct... It's also conjunct my IC.

Yes nn/vertex/dsc is binding, which actually really sucks.. Lol....

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IndigoDirae
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posted June 25, 2014 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:

The Saturn/NN is with my son, no my Saturn isn't Rx. It's direct... It's also conjunct my IC.

Yes nn/vertex/dsc is binding, which actually really sucks.. Lol....


Right, right. I meant as an example.

And, yes. I have ASC conjunct VX with my Twin. 0°10. I know the feeling.

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posted May 24, 2015 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article.

Can anyone explain this to me:

I have VENUS conj. SOUTH NODE natally.

My partner and I have VENUS conj. VENUS.

My partner's NORTH NODE is opp. my NORTH NODE.


So, the VENUS-VENUS conjunction is conj. my SOUTH NODE and conj. his NORTH NODE.

So if VENUS-SOUTH NODE indicates past romantic/creative karmic relationship, and VENUS-NORTH NODE indicates new growth/relationship, how can it be both?

It would seem for him that we have never met before, yet it would seem we have, all at the same time.

I'm confused -- and probably missing something!

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posted May 24, 2015 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comdoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Voix. Forget about trying to understand through Karma. Think of Moon's N. Node as future feelings development, and S. Node as already developed feelings strengths.

Your Venus conjunct S. Node means you have already developed acceptance and emotional receptivity. OTOH, his Venus conjunct his N. Node means he still needs to develop these qualities. It's both because your emotional strengths provide a living example which he can grow by, and expand into.

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Great article.

Can anyone explain this to me:

I have VENUS conj. SOUTH NODE natally.

My partner and I have VENUS conj. VENUS.

My partner's NORTH NODE is opp. my NORTH NODE.


So, the VENUS-VENUS conjunction is conj. my SOUTH NODE and conj. his NORTH NODE.

So if VENUS-SOUTH NODE indicates past romantic/creative karmic relationship, and VENUS-NORTH NODE indicates new growth/relationship, how can it be both?

It would seem for him that we have never met before, yet it would seem we have, all at the same time.

I'm confused -- and probably missing something!


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posted May 24, 2015 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by comdoc:
Hi Voix. Forget about trying to understand through Karma. Think of Moon's N. Node as future feelings development, and S. Node as already developed feelings strengths.

Your Venus conjunct S. Node means you have already developed acceptance and emotional receptivity. OTOH, his Venus conjunct his N. Node means he still needs to develop these qualities. It's both because your emotional strengths provide a living example which he can grow by, and expand into.


My goodness! That is exactly what has happened in this relationship.

He has always struggled to emotionally understand and relate with someone in the past without resorting to cheating when afraid of intimacy/sacrificing himself to the other. And we have long, deep conversations (my MERCURY conjuncts the VENUSES) about how to do this, whilst retaining a sense of autonomy in the relationship, to keep that healthy balance.

Previous partners were very controlling, so this is the first time he had the opportunity. My SUN (aquarius) likes some space!

Thank you Comdoc, that makes so much sense!

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posted May 25, 2015 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fantastic read!

so one of my soulmates has his SN conj his juno. And this conjuncts our moon/moon conj, my saturn and mars.
NN we have:
my NN conj his lilith
his NN sesq my lilith
my NN squares his VX
his NN semisq my VX
his SN parallel my pluto
my NN parallel his pluto

along with pluto and VX parallels with the luminaries and juno.

I have a strong feeling we won't ever be out of each other's lives for too long. Would the above represent a good balance between SN and NN for growth?

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EmGem
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posted May 26, 2015 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Aubyanne
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posted May 30, 2015 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EmGem,

Think of it this way; you'll be drawing in lessons through the points that are on your NNODE, which are viewed through the lens of their nature and purpose.

Someone with SNODE-JUNO carries some heavy unresolved partnership karma. They're here to clear that debt and be free of it. Over time, it's highly possible they'll learn true independence as opposed to feeling a need for relationships as all.

When the MOON is involved in a Nodal profile, it's a callback to our deepest emotional being. Mutually, we find we're reminded of our past -- good or ill. Here's where a good childhood and adolescence can be a huge benefit over suffering through the healing of painful wounds.

Ultimately, remember that we take in our greatest lessons and path to soul evolution at our NNODE, and are constantly releasing or transforming through our SNODE. In some cases, we must revisit 'the past' (SNODE) to heal our own wounds and achieve actualisation, but we will ultimately pull in through our NNODE and grow.

Some relationships are clearly defined with dynamics of who is teaching and who is learning. And, of course, there can be greater balance: more of an equal presence of each's NNODE. These don't tend to bear much karma, however, as they're both still learning from each other, rather than resolving or 'refining' their mutual paths to greater enlightenment. These may be 'younger' relationships on a soul level. You're both 'still growing'.

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EmGem
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posted June 01, 2015 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auby thnk you for clarifying that. I feel that he is definitely experiencing some unresolved relationship karma. He lost someone so dear to him in the last couple of years and carries this burden of guilt to this day because he feels it is his fault. She sent him a text msg "i need you" while they were having a fight and he ignored it. three days later she was stabbed to death.
He and I spoke last night and came to agree that we both feel we have met in many lifetimes. We seem to get each other so well. Not easily forgotten so I'm really not sure we will ever be able to cut off completely. He thinks we will fall in love with one another and possibly have this our whole lives. According to a psychic, we were torn apart much like romeo and juliet in a past life and the same will happen in this life due to his career taking him overseas into fame. But i know we'll always somehow remain in contact. She also said that I remind him of his ex and that it will be difficult for him to let go - she was the only one he ever loved.
I'm feeling highly emotional today so excuse my vomit. It's probably because i saw him last night. There's just so much pull between us yet i know that the timing is not right for us.
I can feel how we are both teaching one another to grow emotionally, sexually....but i can also feel the extreme comfort of the SN moon/moon conj. It's a funny balance.

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