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IndigoDirae
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posted June 23, 2014 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RELATING TO THE NODES:
Optimise Your Relationships Through Karmic Balance


We've all lost relationships suddenly, and gained new ones in the blink of an eye; felt listless, restless, and confused. Wondered if we're doing what we should be. Compared the life we're leading to the image in our heads of what we wanted.

Now, what if I told you that you can gain better understanding right now, today, with a simple exercise? Just like a nutritionist plans the best diet based upon your individual physical traits, I'm going to show how you can achieve better karmic balance through your relationships.

Ready?

Now, think of your six most significant relationships -- ones that impact you daily. This is likely family -- parents who are living, your spouse, if you're married, children, if you have them, best friends, your boss, or other authority, and coworkers, unless you're self-employed. (I say let's start with six, because the number will grow. It's best we begin with wider brushstrokes.)

Take your six and look at how the synastry affects your NODAL AXIS. This could involve your favourite asteroids, but keep it simple. Let's focus on the basics, keeping an eye out for exact conjunctions and double whammies.

Make a list of any of those along with which points are making aspects; keep the orbs relatively tight, abiding by general standards. I use no wider than 3 for asteroids and hypothetical points, and like to say the strongest orb of influence is within 6, with a maximum cap at 10. Everyone has their pet practises; they're just as valid. What works for you works for you. So, use that, and go.

Ideally, you should notice that you've got a fairly even distribution between that which is impacting your NODES: three or so focussed upon your NNODE, and the other huddling around your SNODE.

Of course, human relationships don't tend to realise the ideal very often. More realistically, you'll find most clustered around one or the other. Probably your NNODE.

If it's the SNODE, then think about the relationship and its nature: is it family? Are you very old friends who have maintained an exceptional friendship? Is it your spouse? Your boss? Is it mostly harmonious or antagonistic? Do you continue to relate on a consistent basis out of genuine camaraderie and love, or is it out of a sense of obligation where you feel stuck together?

Unharmonious relationships with longevity tend to be rooted in karma, and thus, the SNODE will be most prevalent. However, those relationships which strike up almost overnight and are based in high compatibility with strong commonality also tend to be the SNODE's domain.

NNODE relations are trickier. They're sparkly and a bit magical. We say to ourselves, 'wow! If only I could ... ' since it represents a part of us we haven't quite developed a yet; a bit of us just awaiting evolution.

Like moths to the flame, we're drawn to them -- while a bit wary. We're sure we're to be found out, sooner or later; surely, our desired one will feel disenchanted and disappointed; deceived, as we fail to rise to the challenge, embodying the qualities they think we possess.

Those of us too fearful to endure the pain will leave before our ultimate unmasking. We don't want to face owning up to being the man behind the curtain, so we often vanish, hoping they will never know we weren't the Wizard.

Most often, we return to a SNODE relationship, as we feel accepted there; it feels like a well-worn, comfy slipper. We can slide right back into it and keep on going.

Until it ends.

We just can't grow with where we've been. But we can certainly enjoy ourselves -- up to a point. Sometimes we're the ones who outgrow the SNODE relationship. Sometimes, it's the Universe which forces us away from what's becoming our security blanket. We're expected to get back on the horse -- not run away from the stable and sell our saddle.

That's why, many times, a NNODE relationship will appear in its place, and usually being forged by a Soulmate. These can appear as if overnight; the greater the demand, the faster the bonding. If you run from it, to yet another SNODE relationship, eventually you'll find your opportunities for evolution and development dwindling. It's important these chances aren't squandered.

Now that we've looked at our currently most impacting relationships, we can go a bit further back in review. We start at the present because these show us a finite slice of time -- a kind of karmic report card; how we're doing.

If we want the whole transcript, though, we'll have to expand our criteria and consider our top five most significant and impacting relationships. The all-time charts; those #1s that topped our relationship charts over the course of our lives.

This is crucial, too, as it will give a great overall view of our soul's path along the journey to enlightenment. Our urge to evolve.

Now pay closest attention to whether you have some heavy hitters -- the outer planets, especially SATURN.

Anyone's SATURN on your SNODE? That's a hefty karmic debt they're paying you; moreover -- is your SATURN there? You won't see that relationship resolve until it's paid.

I bet you'll notice a few NNODE conjunct VENUS connexions across your synastry. If you do, pat yourself on the back. If this was a romantic union, you did exactly as your soul (and theirs) had intended. Same goes for JUNO; any committed relationships with JUNO and the NNODE were essential in helping you to understand the bonds of commitment, and the way we share power in relating.

And, just as you'd expect, any SNODE to VENUS and JUNO indicate previous life romantic relationships and commitments. Sometimes artistic enterprises, too, in the case of VENUS. These are more debts to be paid, rather than bringing you closer to your goal of greater development.

Think of it like going into business for yourself. Starting out, you'll have to cover the debts incurred from the investments made to incorporate and join the commercial world. Our SNODE relationships are like removing the red from our karmic balance sheets. Our goal is to make a good profit; we can't do that if we're doing nothing but paying debt. We also can't begin to make a profit if we do nothing but clear debt.

So why does debt-clearance sometimes feel so good? The SNODE is familiar, remember; these are Soulmates with whom we've logged a lot of hours. Unfortunately, plenty of them have resulted in deficit which must be balanced. We have to be careful, though -- too little of taking on uncharted territory means our karmic relationships will either end or be suspended. The question is -- which?

Those most likely to stick around will have some NODAL balance; some karmic debt, some tackling bold new vistas.

Those you'll most likely see going the way of the dodo will be mostly SNODE. If we're not growing, it's not staying. Some of these you'll notice have really just been upgraded: surrogate Soulmates and karmic partners will play cosmic musical chairs, appearing at the right times to help with the most pressing lessons. Then they'll go. (You'll always notice URANUS playing a big role in the synastry and composite.)

If you see SATURN there, too, this one's likely to pull a Houdini; it's an illusion whether it's there or gone -- and will return once there's a little more in the asset column -- the NNODE. Unless that relationship has enough NNODE to which you can redirect, it will break down for the time being, allowing a NNODE one to come through.

We only have so much time, and can devote ourselves so far. It's important we keep this in mind when choosing our relationships, for what purposes, and when.

Be good to yourself and each other. And remember -- balance makes best!

Your Resident Libran Twin Flame and Guru-in-Training,

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posted June 23, 2014 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Indigo!! Amazing read I'll read it a few times!!

What do you think of Vertex exact square Nodes?
Neptune exact square Nodes?

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posted June 23, 2014 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at my daughter.....
Her AC is on my NN
Her Valentine opposes her BM Lilith, both square my NN
Her Alma is exact on my SN and is square my Alma exact.
My Mars squares her NN, my Excalibur is on her NN
We don't have much node activity except that....

Odd...my ex husbands only aspect to my
nodes is BM Lilith square like my daughter.
My Sun/Merc conjunction square his Nodes, I have nothing on his NN or SN

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posted June 23, 2014 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sons Moon is on my SN, his NN is square my NN exact! Our nodes from a grand cross.

My youngest Sons Kaali is exact on square my nodes, his Spirit is on my NN
My Kaali is on his SN.
My Saturn is exact square his nodes.

My moms sun squares my NN and my Sun sits on her NN

I've never known my dad but yet his Pluto is exact square my NN and his Angel is on my NN
His Saturn sits on my AC....wow! I guess that's not a tie that binds!

My Sun is square his NN, my mom and dad's nodes formed a grand cross.

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My brother and I had a very challenging relationship, his Sun opposes his Moon, they form a grand cross with my nodes.
My Karma/AC and DC squares his nodes and my IC is conjunct his nodes.
His Nodes sit on my IC/MC angle.

The sadistically abusive step dad's NN on my
SN
His Valentine is on my NN
His Amor is on my SN

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posted June 23, 2014 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for loffra180     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just because I feel like it, I'm going to use you for this Indigo. We've got this going on:

Your Nodes:
S Node conjunct My Sun 2 degrees
N Node square My Pluto 2 degrees
N Node square my Eros 4 degrees
N Node trine My BML 3 degrees
N Node square My Vesta 1 degree
N Node square My Sappho 1 degree
N Node sextile My Nessus 2 degrees

My Nodes:
N Node sextile your Moon 2 degrees
N Node trine your Jupiter 1 degree
N Node trine your Saturn 4 degrees
N Node conjunct your Vertex 2 degrees
N Node square your BML 2 degrees
N Node square your Dejanira 2 degrees
N Node square your Urania 33 Minutes
S Node conjunct your Sappho 49 minutes
S Node conjunct your Nessus 3 degrees

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posted June 23, 2014 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
Thank you Indigo!! Amazing read I'll read it a few times!!

What do you think of Vertex exact square Nodes?
Neptune exact square Nodes?


Thanks, Gabby! It's one I've been contemplating for awhile, having noticed how certain relationships will shift in and out of focus. My next venture will be to see how transits are aspecting the Nodes at the time of arrival and departure, if applicable.

When the VERTICES and NODES intersect, it's an automatic Grand Cross, involving two of the most powerful axes in astrology -- the Fate-Freewill Axis and the Karma-Destiny Axis.

As you can imagine, there's a huge contract in play here; this is grand design at the highest level, since Fate / Karma and Destiny / Freewill are inextricably at odds. There's a constant tension to resolve.

The Vertices individual is encountering an intensely fated relationship; the Nodes is seeking growth and development while also clearing karma and paying debts.

This is one of those 50/50; there's so much happening on both sides that it can take a long time -- both to achieve enlightenment and to clear the debt.

To better understand the Cross, it's key to look at its placement -- across which houses they each fall, what points are involved, and how the dispositors are positioned. The greater story will unfold in thematic elements relating to the sign and planets, and their aspects.

Is your NEPTUNE exactly conjunct your VERTEX? Or is this their NEPTUNE exactly square your NODES?

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posted June 23, 2014 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Neptune saggy@11.05--my 3rd/his 11th
His NN pisces@10.25--my 6th/his 2nd
My Juno virgo@12.30--my12th/his 8th
His P. of Fortune gem@12.23--my 9th/his 5th
My Osiris pisces@10.42
My Pholus pisces@9.12
My Ceres gemini@9.20


My NN scorp@21.44--my 2nd/his 10th
His Vertex leo@21.12--my 9th/his 7th
His Mercury taurus@21.38 my 8th
His Venus taurus@25.24(close but not quite)

His Draco Union/Jupiter are on my Trop NN scorp@20-21
My Draco Jupiter leo@23 is on his Trop Vertex leo@21
My Draco Pluto aqua@20 on his Trop Anti-Vertex/his Trop Sun/Moon midpoint/our Composite Sun all aqua@20

My TF and I have have these placements...

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posted June 23, 2014 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:

The sadistically abusive step dad's NN on my
SN
His Valentine is on my NN
His Amor is on my SN



I made quite a mistake here, I was looking at my step dad's death date, not his birthday!
The day he was murdered NN was on my SN!

His actual birth chart his Mars and Pluto are conjunct both square my NN

His SN/Moon are on my Saturn....
His asteroid Karma is squaring his nodes, my Kaali/Uranus/Lilith forms the grand cross.

The day he was murdered the Sun was exact on his NN, opposed my Saturn.

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posted June 23, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great essay


I checked my family first and foremost.

with my Mom
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her Valentine conjunct my SN exact
her Juno conjunct my NN
my Jupiter conjunct her Nn
my Ceres conjunct her NN
my Hekate conjunct her SN exact*
my ast. Lilith conjunct her SN

my ASC square her NN
my NN square her NN
her IC square my NN


Interestingly she sometimes refers to me jokingly as "witch", usually coupled with a certain concern/worry that I might have to face repercussions if other people notice, too. Maybe that was a past life scenario.


with my Dad
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his NN trine my NN exact

his IC conjunct my NN
my IC conjunct his NN
my Pluto conjunct his SN exact
my Alma conjunct his NN

his Psyche square my NN
my Venus square his NN

with my middle brother (has down syndrome, so that is a very specific karmic connection I think)
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his Neptune conjunct my NN 85)
his Alma conjunct my NN
his MC conjunct my NN
my Uranus conjunct his NN
my Union conjunct his NN exact

his Venus square my NN (conj. my Jupiter and Ceres)

with my youngest brother
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his Moon conjunct my NN
his Jupiter conjunct my NN exact
his Uranus conjunct my NN
his Valentine conjunct my SN

my Venus conjunct his SN 5)
my Sun conjunct his SN (5)
my Mercury conjunct his SN (6)
my Vesta conjunct his SN exact

my MC square his NN
his Sun square my NN

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posted June 23, 2014 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread! I'll check mine too and get back to you.

I think balanced relationships have things going on on both ends (conjunctions) and/or squares to nodal axes for both people and/or nodal axes involved with angles mutually and/or DW to nodes (here I think soft aspects are also important, if there's several of them, creating DW or a web).

Luminaries to nodes are also binding and future-oriented, if there are several aspects, and even soft aspects are included here.

Saturn squaring nodes is already a classic marriage/important long-term relationship aspect, from what I've seen. Saturn conjunct the nodes also holds people together. The nodes are our karma and Saturn is the ultimate lord of karma. I have yet to see a short-term relationship with Saturn connected to the nodes.

Something on SN is required for long-term, past life connections and a sign of belonging to the same soul group - either in synastry or the composite. If the conjunctions are only on SN, but there are connections between angles, luminaries, Saturn and nodal axes, there is a very good chance the relationship will not be left behind. I think only isolated conjunctions to SN means outgrowing the relationship at some point/short term.

Isolated conjunctions to NN sometimes point to a (short-term) relationship destined to be a lesson pushing us forward.


I also noticed than when a love planet like Venus is conjunct to someone else's NN, but there are no sufficient contacts between those two to hold them together in a mutually fulfilling relationship, the planet person (Venus or Neptune, sometimes Moon, Uranus etc. depending on the significance in the natal chart) long to be part of the other's life path, to be with him/her, is fascinated by the NN, but there's no mutuality (unrequited love). However, if the synastry is good, the conjunction is a good binding contact of mutual love, a destined love.

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posted June 23, 2014 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1) With a very important person, we mutually changed our lives - we're still friends:

My nodes/his planets

NN square Pluto (4)
NN square Chiron (0)
NN trine Jupiter (0) semisextile Neptune (1)
SN/Karma conjunct Sun (6)

His nodes/my planets

NN conjunct DSC (1)
NN conjunct Saturn (3)
NN square Chiron (2)
NN sextile Sun (0)
NN semisquare Venus (0)
NN sesquisquare Neptune (1)
NN trine MC (3)
SN conjunct Pallas (2)

so NN/Chiron and NN/Neptune DW


2) With my ex, he triggered an important transformation for me, no longer friends:


My nodes/his planets

NN conjunct Neptune (tht's generational, I have NN/Neptune myself)
NN square Jupiter (1) - generational
NN quincunx Saturn (0)

His nodes/my planets

NN/Neptune
NN square Venus (3)
NN square Jupiter (2) - generational
NN semisquare Uranus (1)
NN sesquisquare Chiron (0)
NN sextile Mercury (1)

Strangely, I seem to have a stronger impact on him (???)


3) With sister 1

My nodes/her planets

NN semisquare Mercury (0)
NN trine Jupiter (2)


Her nodes/my planets

NN semisquare Pluto (0)
NN sextile ASC (2)
NN sextile Sun (2)
NN trine Saturn (4)

4) With sister 2, we have a closer connection


My nodes/her planets

NN conjunct Mercury/Uranus (2 and 0)
NN conjunct IC (3)
NN square MC (0)
NN sextile Venus (1)
NN quintile Mars (0)

Her nodes/my planets

NN sesquisquare Mercury
NN quincunx Uranus (1)
NN trine Mars (3)


Interesting. So NN Mercury Uranus Mars DW.


5) With my love


My nodes/his planets

NN conjunct NN (10)
Our Suns in opp square our nodal axes


NN square Sun (7)
NN conjunct Neptune (4) - generational
NN trine Chiron (4) - generational
My SN/Karma conjuncts his Mars/Saturn/SN on mdp
SN conjunct Mars (7)
NN semisextile Moon (2)

NN sextile Vesta (0)
NN sextile Juno (0)

His nodes/my planets

NN square Sun (3)
NN quintile Mercury (0)
NN sextile Uranus (1)
NN trine Chiron (0) - generational

NN trine Vertex (0)
NN sextile Valentine (0)

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posted June 23, 2014 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd also like to take a look at the Composite/Davison, because I think the situation with the nodes in the composites is very revealing for the evolution/importance of the relationship.
Planets/angles/Vertex aspecting the nodes show an important relationship. The connections to the nodes tell a lot about the nature of the relationship.


1) the mutually changing relationship

NN conjunct Uranus
SN conjunct Jupiter and Eros
NN trine Moon (1) sextile Sun/Mercury (3)

Davison

NN conjunct Venus and Chiron (1 to 5)
SN conjunct Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto

2) with ex


NN conjunct Mercury and Vesta
SN conjunct Karma (2)
NN trine Alma and IC (3)
NN sextile MC (3) and POF (0)

NN conjunct DSC (1)
SN conjunct POF (3)
the same angle aspects


3) with sister 1

SN conjunct Amor and Juno
NN trine Jupiter and Karma

SN conjunct Venus (6)
NN square Mars trine Jupiter and POF

4) with sister 2


SN conjunct Karma (0)
NN trine Sun/Valentine


NN conjunct Jupiter square Mercury (great placement for a sister)
NN sextile Sun/Valentine and Alma


5) with beau


SN conjunct Sun (3)
NN conjunct Mercury (0)
NN sextile Valentine/Lust


NN semisextile Vertex exact
SN conjunct Sun and Amor
NN square Juno/Jupiter/Moon, sextile Uranus and Psyche


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posted June 23, 2014 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
... I think balanced relationships have things going on on both ends (conjunctions) and/or squares to nodal axes for both people and/or nodal axes involved with angles mutually and/or DW to nodes (here I think soft aspects are also important, if there's several of them, creating DW or a web) ...

I concur with most everything, if we're looking at balanced Nodal contacts in SINGLE relationships. This is more about looking to see how we're balancing our karma ACROSS our relationships; why certain ones appear and vanish without warning, or reappear just as suddenly, or stay for a lifetimes.

We will all likely have a balanced profile in our long-term relationships which are not obligatory. But we'll also just as likely have several which are focussed upon one side of the axis and not the other.

That's the theory, anyhow.

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posted June 23, 2014 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. You mean "long-term relationships which are not obligatory" as in some sort of compromises?

And the importance of short-term relationships that can change our lives, even if they don't last? With this, I concur. Some short-term relationships have a major impact.

Sorry if I misunderstood lol

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I had saturn sqaure my karmic soulmates northnode. By 3 orb. And saturn parallel northnode 5 orb. We are no longer in eachothers lives. Dont know how i convinced I am about the saturn square node aspect.
We also had his moon and venus cojnunct my uranus by 6 and 8 orb respectively. But so many saturn aspects more from his side than mine. Its only lasted 10months..and poof disappeared.
Maybe the uranus contacts over rode the saturn north node square....

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posted June 23, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:

I made quite a mistake here, I was looking at my step dad's death date, not his birthday!
The day he was murdered NN was on my SN!

His actual birth chart his Mars and Pluto are conjunct both square my NN

His SN/Moon are on my Saturn....
His asteroid Karma is squaring his nodes, my Kaali/Uranus/Lilith forms the grand cross.

The day he was murdered the Sun was exact on his NN, opposed my Saturn.


Wow! What an incredibly twisted delivery of karma, no? KARMA closely aspecting the Nodal axis tends to imply some hefty karma operating in this life.

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quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'd also like to take a look at the Composite/Davison, because I think the situation with the nodes in the composites is very revealing for the evolution/importance of the relationship. Planets/angles/Vertex aspecting the nodes show an important relationship. The connections to the nodes tell a lot about the nature of the relationship.

1) the mutually changing relationship

NN conjunct Uranus
SN conjunct Jupiter and Eros
NN trine Moon (1) sextile Sun/Mercury (3)

Davison

NN conjunct Venus and Chiron (1 to 5)
SN conjunct Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto

2) with ex


NN conjunct Mercury and Vesta
SN conjunct Karma (2)
NN trine Alma and IC (3)
NN sextile MC (3) and POF (0)

NN conjunct DSC (1)
SN conjunct POF (3)
the same angle aspects


3) with sister 1

SN conjunct Amor and Juno
NN trine Jupiter and Karma

SN conjunct Venus (6)
NN square Mars trine Jupiter and POF

4) with sister 2


SN conjunct Karma (0)
NN trine Sun/Valentine


NN conjunct Jupiter square Mercury (great placement for a sister)
NN sextile Sun/Valentine and Alma


5) with beau


SN conjunct Sun (3)
NN conjunct Mercury (0)
NN sextile Valentine/Lust

NN semisextile Vertex exact
SN conjunct Sun and Amor
NN square Juno/Jupiter/Moon, sextile Uranus and Psyche


Well, dive right on ahead, why don't you?

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posted June 24, 2014 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Luminaries to nodes are also binding and future-oriented, if there are several aspects, and even soft aspects are included here.

Saturn squaring nodes is already a classic marriage/important long-term relationship aspect, from what I've seen. Saturn conjunct the nodes also holds people together. The nodes are our karma and Saturn is the ultimate lord of karma. I have yet to see a short-term relationship with Saturn connected to the nodes.

Something on SN is required for long-term, past life connections and a sign of belonging to the same soul group - either in synastry or the composite. If the conjunctions are only on SN, but there are connections between angles, luminaries, Saturn and nodal axes, there is a very good chance the relationship will not be left behind. I think only isolated conjunctions to SN means outgrowing the relationship at some point/short term.

Isolated conjunctions to NN sometimes point to a (short-term) relationship destined to be a lesson pushing us forward.

I also noticed than when a love planet like Venus is conjunct to someone else's NN, but there are no sufficient contacts between those two to hold them together in a mutually fulfilling relationship, the planet person (Venus or Neptune, sometimes Moon, Uranus etc. depending on the significance in the natal chart) long to be part of the other's life path, to be with him/her, is fascinated by the NN, but there's no mutuality (unrequited love). However, if the synastry is good, the conjunction is a good binding contact of mutual love, a destined love.


LeeLoo, this is a very useful summary of long term relationship markers. According to you Saturn to Nodes aspects seem to be a key indicator. If, however, there is no Saturn to Nodes connection, can other connections (Luminaries to Nodes) do instead?

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posted June 24, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you noticed anything significant, Indigo?...since I flooded your thread with my NNs

BTW, thanks for the beautiful letter, I haven't had the time to give it the proper answer, but I will

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posted June 24, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
LeeLoo, this is a very useful summary of long term relationship markers. According to you Saturn to Nodes aspects seem to be a key indicator. If, however, there is no Saturn to Nodes connection, can other connections (Luminaries to Nodes) do instead?

Absolutely. Luminaries to nodes are another marker, especially in conjunction and squares. Other planets in combos are also significant, if several aspects - the nature of the planets shows the nature of the common path.

Luminaries to nodes is an integrative connection to the life paths.

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posted June 24, 2014 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oddly most the significant people in my life have more squares than conjunctions whereas the people I could see myself leaving make conjunctions.

Example.
1) My boss
His nn conjuncts my moon exact.
His nn conjuncts my eros/psyche/asc about 3

My nn square his mercury 2
Quintile his mars
Opp his saturn 4
Opp his pluto 3

2) My mother's nn quintile my moon exact
Trine my jupiter 2
Trine pof exact

My nn trine her uranus 3
My nn opp her vesta 3
My nn conjunct her psyche 4

Double whammies:

Conjunctions of nn/karma dw
Saturn/NN dw sextile & square both exact
Chiron/Nn dw sextile & trine
Amor/Nn dw trine 1 square 1
Valentine/Nn dw sq both ways
Nn/Alma dw sq 1 conjunct 1


3) My father's Nn sextile my moon exact
Sq pallas 2
Conjunct my karma 5
Sextile my mc 2

My nn trine his jupiter 1
Conjunct his eros 4

Double whammies
Saturn/Nn quintiles both ways
Mars/nn square 2 and semi sextile
Uranus/Nn trine 3 and sq 4

More to be added later

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posted June 24, 2014 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sc0rpioRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I looked briefly with a few people,
My 2 kids, my x, my boss, and fishy..
Ironically I noticed that I aspect their NN, my NN is barely aspected, with the only exceptions being SN conjunctions.. I didn't check squares..

The only person, that has a conjunction to my NN is my boss, my NN conjuncts his ASC.. We are a dual at work.. We have an excellent working relationship.

With everyone else, I have a planet or angle conjunct the other persons NN

So does, that mean I'm a part of their growth, but they are apart of what I need to pull away from?

FYI.. My sons NN is exactly conjunct my Saturn..
So I have a heavy karmic debit to him?


I know with fishy, his NN is conjunct my vertex on my dSC/ asc ... My Saturn squares his NN/SN

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posted June 24, 2014 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
I looked briefly with a few people,
My 2 kids, my x, my boss, and fishy..
Ironically I noticed that I aspect their NN, my NN is barely aspected, with the only exceptions being SN conjunctions.. I didn't check squares..

The only person, that has a conjunction to my NN is my boss, my NN conjuncts his ASC.. We are a dual at work.. We have an excellent working relationship.

With everyone else, I have a planet or angle conjunct the other persons NN

So does, that mean I'm a part of their growth, but they are apart of what I need to pull away from?

FYI.. My sons NN is exactly conjunct my Saturn..
So I have a heavy karmic debit to him?

I know with fishy, his NN is conjunct my vertex on my dSC/ asc ... My Saturn squares his NN/SN


NODAL Axis + VERTICES + ASC/DSC is a very potent tie. Heavily intertwined on many levels.

Where we have karmic debts it at the SNODE, though. SATURN-NNODE can show growth through structure, order, and mentorship. But, say, if SATURN is at the SNODE, this can show a debt regarding similar things; perhaps an unresolved paternal bond or the failure to satisfy the requirements of the greater authority; a soldier deserts his general, for example; an employee leaves their boss at a startup to join a more established company. You never know how or why these debts form. It's essential to look at aspects and how the points are positioned.

If SATURN is retrograde, for example, that's an even more pressing debt.

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