posted May 21, 2014 07:24 PM            

I've been the planet person a few times and in most cases there's nothing or close to nothing.

Unfortunately. It seems to be one-sided.

posted May 21, 2014 07:41 PM            

I have no planets in the 12th, ruler, Jupiter, exalted and pivotal in the natal.

posted May 21, 2014 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
It's been my experience as well - the house person is affected.

I've been the planet person a few times and in most cases there's nothing or close to nothing.

Unfortunately. It seems to be one-sided.

Venus in 12H synastry is a killer. It's terribly bittersweet. Whenever someone's Venus falls in my 12H I know I need to stay the f away from them unless I want some unrequited feelings/tragedy/drama type of scenario.

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Yeah it can be rough... It's like we were both afraid of the intensity and there was mistrust on both sides but in the end he gets to move on (or at least that's what I'm assuming) and I still can't

posted May 21, 2014 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
A deep mutual bond, telepathic experiences, dreams, unconditional love. When I'm the planet, the other cannot hide anything from me, I feel like I can read his heart and mind. As Venus, I feel immense unconditional, dreamy love. Apparently, 12th houses feel the same. Being separated or fighting is very painful. However, initially, there is a mutual feeling of mistrust. Time is needed to gain trust. These are relationships that need a lot of time to develop, the people involved have to share their life together somehow, in order to know each other very well and go over that initial feeling which I think is related to feeling such a deep and ultimate connection which is scary. Perhaps in the cases you describe this process of "accommodation" couldn't take place.

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posted May 21, 2014 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Does it have to be one-sided?

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Nothing ever "has" to be, not in astrology, at least.

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Perhaps in the cases you describe this process of "accommodation" couldn't take place.

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posted May 21, 2014 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Does it have to be one-sided?
I've never experienced unrequited with this aspect, it has always been mutual, a very deep bond. I was mostly the planet: Sun and Venus, several times, plus one: mutual Sun in 12th, one: another's Sun Neptune in my 12th. I'm still in contact with these people. Currently experiencing a new Sun Venus in 12th with me being the planets.

I have no planets in the 12th, ruler, Jupiter, exalted and pivotal in the natal.

A deep mutual bond, telepathic experiences, dreams, unconditional love. When I'm the planet, the other cannot hide anything from me, I feel like I can read his heart and mind. As Venus, I feel immense unconditional, dreamy love. Apparently, 12th houses feel the same. Being separated or fighting is very painful. However, initially, there is a mutual feeling of mistrust. Time is needed to gain trust. These are relationships that need a lot of time to develop, the people involved have to share their life together somehow, in order to know each other very well and go over that initial feeling which I think it is associated to feeling such a deep and ultimate connection which is scary. Perhaps in the cases you describe this process of "accommodation" couldn't take place.

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Thanks for your response LeeLoo, this is how I've felt about the Venus person too (except for in the second situation where we basically just had mutual friends but didn't know each other that well). This describes it perfectly though, couldn't explain any better..

But yeah it is a little terrifying to be connected that deeply to someone, it doesn't even need to be verbalized but that's where the issues came in... And I agree about needing time. The heartbreak of being separated was confirmation enough of what the connection really is, but now it's probably too late. So it's very bittersweet as Doux was saying

posted May 21, 2014 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
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[b]Does it have to be one-sided?

Nothing ever "has" to be, not in astrology, at least.

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Oh, no, sorry, it must be my English. What I meant was: does she only want to hear about the one sided experiences?

I'm not sure the 12th house or any house can be blamed for "unrequited" though.

For me, "unrequited" is seen in:

- lack of aspects (in this case, romantic aspects, if we're talking love relationships)
- lack of mutuality (in the synastry and in the natals)
- activation of the love houses (5th, 7th, 8th) for one person only, directly or through rulers, which translates as one person not being the other's "type", astrologically.

posted May 21, 2014 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Thanks for your response LeeLoo, this is how I've felt about the Venus person too (except for in the second situation where we basically just had mutual friends but didn't know each other that well). This describes it perfectly though, couldn't explain any better..

But yeah it is a little terrifying to be connected that deeply to someone, it doesn't even need to be verbalized but that's where the issues came in... And I agree about needing time. The heartbreak of being separated was confirmation enough of what the connection really is, but now it's probably too late. So it's very bittersweet as Doux was saying

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posted May 21, 2014 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Oh, no, sorry, it must be my English. What I meant was: does she only want to hear about the one sided experiences?

I'm not sure the 12th house or any house can be blamed for "unrequited" though.

For me, "unrequited" is seen in:

- lack of aspects (in this case, romantic aspects, if we're talking love relationships)
- lack of mutuality (in the synastry and in the natals)
- activation of the love houses (5th, 7th, 8th) for one person only, directly or through rulers, which translates as one person not being the other's "type", astrologically.

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Oh sorry I should've clarified, no it doesn't have to just be about one sided experiences, that just seems to come up so often with the 12th house, but I'd actually love to hear some success stories too..

posted May 21, 2014 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm sorry to hear about this. But 12th house connections can be very deep and lasting, karmic too, so maybe you'll reunite somehow.

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posted May 21, 2014 08:31 PM            

I see what you meant.

It doesn't have to be 'about' one-sided relationships/feelings, no. I don't think so, at least. Right, FireMoon? All experiences are welcome.

ETA. Well, that's right.

I agree with you about the unrequited part.

I'd like to add Saturn and Pluto hard aspects to the mix because I've seen them work that way first-hand. Especially in connection to Venus via square or opposition.

posted May 21, 2014 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Yes! 👍👍

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posted May 21, 2014 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
You and DF have 12th house synastry right? Which planets?

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posted May 21, 2014 08:41 PM            

When it was my Venus in their 12H... It was close to empty. I didn't feel any romantic feelings for them. With 2 of them there was "intrigue," yes, a kind of curiosity, a kind of elusiveness about that person. But nothing compared to their Venus in my 12H.

Out of the 4 people I can think of who put their Venus in my 12H, only one didn't attract me romantically.
The other 3 had that similar "power" over me, something deep and compelling.

One was mutual, but didn't lead to anything.
The other was a distant "crush" (on a musician, ahh how terrible) and actually it seemed like there was intrigue on both sides. I was fascinated with that person. Like when you look at someone and can't stop staring at them because it's like they're divine or something. Lmao.

The 3rd person. Well, he was gay and emotionally closed off. So obviously that was totally one-sided, and gladly ended quickly because it was totally delusional.

posted May 21, 2014 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Like when you look at someone and can't stop staring at them because it's like they're divine or something. Lmao.

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posted May 21, 2014 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Like when you look at someone and can't stop staring at them because it's like they're divine or something. Lmao.

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posted May 21, 2014 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
No, your English is good, LeeLoo.

I see what you meant.

It doesn't have to be 'about' one-sided relationships/feelings, no. I don't think so, at least. Right, FireMoon? All experiences are welcome.

ETA. Well, that's right.

I agree with you about the unrequited part.

I'd like to add Saturn and Pluto hard aspects to the mix because I've seen them work that way first-hand. Especially in connection to Venus via square or opposition.

Again, not necessarily unrequited, but it's a possible manifestation.

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Ok sorry I'm trying to type on my phone and it's not going very well lol, but yes all experiences welcome

And I agree. So who do you think is usually more "glued", the Saturn person or the personal planet? I suppose it depends on the natals but that gets confusing too. And yeah luckily I've never experienced Venus-Pluto personally but I could see how it could manifest that way..

posted May 21, 2014 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
My sun, moon and Jupiter are in his 12th and his mercury(I'm sorry his venus is in my 11th) and Mars are in mine.

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Wow cool that's a lot going on... Was there hesitation before you guys got together or you just knew right away it was going to last?

posted May 21, 2014 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Wow cool that's a lot going on... Was there hesitation before you guys got together or you just knew right away it was going to last?

I remember no one even knew you had been talking when you announced your relationship so that was kind of secretive and 12th house lol but it's great that it's worked out for you guys..

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posted May 21, 2014 09:31 PM            

It was nothing unusual for me though.
I know she's kind of hung on to her love for years but for me. When I broke up with her it was pretty much instant death of feelings.
I let go and instantly moved on.

posted May 21, 2014 09:37 PM            

Not until I met my s.o. His 12th house neptune is in my 12th, sits on my cluster of planets --> he's the boss lol he "sees" everything.

posted May 21, 2014 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Awww...that's so cool! I long for something like that ....I wouldn't mind being on the other end as well. I'm just curious if there was any Neptune involved, from his side or yours. Did his Neptune do anything to you? lol Or perhaps his Uranus?

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Here's the link to the synastry (outside person's TOB is unknown so disregard the houses).

And here's another synastry, this one was my most epic crush/love/ infatuation/ whateveryouwannacallit; I still think/dream of that person sometimes and it's been years since we last saw each other or spoke to each other. It was obsessive and compulsive to the point of self-destruction. And nothing ever happened in "real" terms, it was all internal. Kind of funny. And tragic.

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
So who do you think is usually more "glued", the Saturn person or the personal planet? I suppose it depends on the natals but that gets confusing too.

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Also thanks for sharing your stories, you're right there are numerous scenarios. Lol and don't feel bad, I think we've all had a couple unrealistic crushes at some point..

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