posted July 04, 2014 03:57 PM            

The fact that uranus is in the 5th and rules the DC could indicate a relationship starting off as a fling but turning to a relationship so yeah it can show her leaving her boyfriend to be with you; this is further confirmed by uranus conjunct neptune as the idealism/romanticism of neptune combined with that uranus excitement and impulsivity could lead to her breaking up previous commitments for a new rel. with you.

I just hope she is seeing you clearly and is not making impulsive decisions bc Neptune is clouding her judgement.

posted July 04, 2014 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I could see the attraction in the synastry. In the composite I like that Venus conjunct IC square saturn in cap at 29 degrees and square jupiter. I also see in the comp that uranus in the 5th rules the DC and that it conjuncts neptune. In addition, Uranus is forming a tsquare with sun opposite moon.

The fact that uranus is in the 5th and rules the DC could indicate a relationship starting off as a fling but turning to a relationship so yeah it can show her leaving her boyfriend to be with you; this is further confirmed by uranus conjunct neptune as the idealism/romanticism of neptune combined with that uranus excitement and impulsivity could lead to her breaking up previous commitments for a new rel. with you.

I just hope she is seeing you clearly and is not making impulsive decisions bc Neptune is clouding her judgement.

Based on what I am seeing I can't determine if your relationship will last long term or not but is definitely karmic and you were meant to meet and are meant to have something at least for a while; I dont know if longterm though, maybe yes, you do have several saturn aspects in the composite that can balance out the uranus.

Good Luck!

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On our first date, she tried to STOP me from paying for the date, and she kept like looking around the room

At that point I came to a conclusion that this is not gonna go anywhere and I asked her straight if she liked anybody, telling her that its weird she tried to stop me from paying and that shes looking around the room

posted July 04, 2014 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Astrology stuff aside, and yes, it's a promising syanstry (beware that Mars Pluto though, google it ), my guess is that you shouldn't pursue her if you made your intentions clear. Just make sure that she understood that you are waiting for her to contact you when she resolves her other commitment.
My two cents

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posted July 04, 2014 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Astrology stuff aside, and yes, it's a promising syanstry (beware that Mars Pluto though, google it ), my guess is that you shouldn't pursue her if you made your intentions clear. Just make sure that she understood that you are waiting for her to contact you when she resolves her other commitment.
My two cents

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I have mars conjunct Pluto exact approaching in composite with my ex, the sex was the best I ever had and conjunction also conjuncted valentine. The only other guy I have enjoyed sex as much as I did with him we have composite Pluto conjunct venus....

Yes it's a powerful energy that can lead to power struggles but if channeled in bed it will transform and touch the very depth of your soul..

posted July 04, 2014 06:38 PM            

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http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2012/01/mars-pluto-synastry.html?m=1

I have mars conjunct Pluto exact approaching in composite with my ex, the sex was the best I ever had and conjunction also conjuncted valentine. The only other guy I have enjoyed sex as much as I did with him we have composite Pluto conjunct venus....

Yes it's a powerful energy that can lead to power struggles but if channeled in bed it will transform and touch the very depth of your soul..

His synastry would have to show issues with women and his feminine side or her synastry show this for this energy to be channeled in an abusive way in my opinion but yeah there will be a pull towards power struggles however the sex can be really great and beautiful.[/B]

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Wow thank you!! can you also plz expand on what you mean by 'this energy to be channeled in an abusive way?'

You are so right about what you have said so far and I must know more
Ex - I am very feminine for a heterosexual guy, to make matters worse I appear very masculine

posted July 04, 2014 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Wow thank you!! can you also plz expand on what you mean by 'this energy to be channeled in an abusive way?'

You are so right about what you have said so far and I must know more
Ex - I am very feminine for a heterosexual guy, to make matters worse I appear very masculine

Ex - Things got hot really fast, ans honestly best sex ever

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What I mean is that natally a person must have multiple indicators that show a predisposition towards problems with the opposite sex for a synastry or composite aspect such as mars conjunct pluto be expressed in power struggles that lead to physical abuse or other types of abuse.

My ex in his natal he has venus sextile mars and sun trine moon so his masculine and feminine side are good friends and flow easily back and forth so us having mars conjunct pluto in our composite did not lead to abuse but some psychological power struggles when we fought perhaps since this lands in our 12th 4 orbs away from our AC. I guess this can also be a good aspect for make up sex or the tendency to have sex when their is conflict instead of resolving issue but is just overall great for sex.

Someone who has sun square moon combined with mars square venus involving the DC or something along those lines that shows karma with balancing their masculine and feminine sides I hypothesize that is in this instances that an aspect in synastry such as mars conjunct pluto might do more harm than be beneficial causing the physical energy of this aspect be expressed negatively like physical violence....

posted July 04, 2014 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
That's really interesting..
While we were making out for the 2nd time, she like almost fully punched me, as a means of showing affection
Hopefully it doesn't get worse than that if we hit it off

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Was it a playful punch or did it hurt a lot? but its not a good sign to punch someone while making out...I do that playfully when someone makes me laugh sometimes but never while making out...the idea of punching while making out IDK its odd to me.

I think you need to take this slow and assess this further.....can you post her natal??

posted July 04, 2014 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Was it a playful punch or did it hurt a lot? but its not a good sign to punch someone while making out...I do that playfully when someone makes me laugh sometimes but never while making out...the idea of punching while making out IDK its odd to me.

I think you need to take this slow and assess this further.....can you post her natal??

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posted July 04, 2014 08:27 PM            

She may have anger issues.

posted July 04, 2014 08:31 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Uhhhhhh ... that's ....

She may have anger issues.

Incidentally, her SATURN is conjunct your NNODE. In my experience, this teaches us patience, and potentially sets up a relationship which will take off after our next Saturn Return -- but often flounders until then. Typically due to unresolved karma and major issues.

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posted July 04, 2014 08:32 PM            

Whoo, boy. I know this one. Well.

posted July 04, 2014 08:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Wow... doesn't saturn move really slowly?
When is the next saturn return???

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posted July 04, 2014 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Also -- MARS conjunct PLUTO.

Whoo, boy. I know this one. Well.

Pray she's emotionally immature, or you could be in for much more of a ride than you wanted.

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posted July 04, 2014 08:49 PM            

She has in her natal mars opposite pluto and in the description below it says pluto/mars aspects natally are frequently linked to the charts of sexual abuse, rape, suicide and murder victims. Since she has mars opposite pluto in her natal and your pluto conjuncts her mars that would be cause for concern specially when this is activated by a transit but looking at your natal would help determine how concerned we need to be exactly. Do proceed with caution:

"Those with Mars conjunct, square or opposite Pluto have an insatiable amount of drive, energy, and enormous willpower. They have an almost inexhaustible tap of strength and vitality if they choose to use it. The person sometimes gives an irresistible pull and compels others by being so secretive, fascinating and intense. The violent emotions hidden underneath sometimes act through partners, family, and loved ones. The Planet Pluto tends to supercharge things up and when connected to Mars, it is force, ambition, and desire that are all heightened. Many women with this contact find that it is through relationships where this aspect expresses itself with passion, jealousy, sexual power and even cruelty.

The aspect can mean there are ruthless, confrontations, and brutality, and great conflict that needs to be resolved. Inside Mars-Pluto is a burning rage so deep, unresolved and terrifying to face that person tries to shove it down. The individual is overwhelmed by feelings they cannot control and it often comes out in an explosive temper when the lid is left on too long. Many Mars- Pluto types fear the destructiveness inside of them, and they are scared that if they express this anger they may destroy the people they love. During childhood they might have witnessed or experienced the devastating effects of abuse, murder, and an underlying domestic turmoil.

There is a difficult side to these contacts that are frequently linked to the charts of sexual abuse, rape, suicide and murder victims. I have witnessed sweet and lovely people with this contact who don't appear to have a competitive bone in their entire body be taken over by such a twisted fate. Something that is completely out of their hands confronts the person, and forces them to find hidden strength, fight tooth and nail for survival, until they really are a force to be reckoned with. It is hard to know why this happens and many astrologers are saying that sexual abuse, life-threatening illness, or violence happens to these people because there is a 'repressed' rage, but this kind of explanation is not the most helpful one.

I don't think any astrologer no matter how brilliant could offer a real reason or justification, but there does seem to be some kind of destiny at work that ensures the individual uses their Mars. The person does discover a powerful drive for expression that they didn't even know existed. The individual realizes the goals, achievements and places they must go before they are even done. External circumstances may change the individual's destiny completely, and life takes on a whole new meaning. The internal fight could come through the body with a plutonian aspect and they battle against cancer, abuse, or an horrific injury. A sense of being powerless to something larger and pitted against an enemy they don't stand a chance with. A Mars-Pluto aspect is a conduit for the powerful energy of transformation. Pluto is connected with a life and death struggle.

The aspect is common in the world of competitive sports, and there is an obsessive quality to their actions and a need to push themselves to the limit. They do whatever it takes to win, and the bigger the challenge the better. A life lived without such great passion is not really a life lived at all. An outlet of some kind is required to drive their strong ambition down healthier channels. Demanding hobbies, mental and physical activities and making the most out of their talents satisfy those cravings. The aspect is productive for challenging themselves against nature, and achieving feats nobody thought possible.

The aspect can be said to need lot of sex and is lustful and it can be overpowering at times. Mars-Pluto sometimes relates to a sexual taboo aspect to their relationship like gay and mixed race couples. The pairing of these two planets leads to some dramatic, stormy and powerful relationships. Things tend to implode in relationships when issues are pushed far down into the depths of the unconscious and denied any expression. Pluto tends to rear it's snake head and begins to spit out all kinds of troubling emotions below the surface. The person shouldn't feel afraid to take full possession of these feelings and to talk about them honestly.

The individual's anger is like a bullet and anything in the firing line will be obliterated, they can be cold, dangerous and deadly in war. They have to really try and not let themselves be poisoned with anger, resentment, and hatred. The anger can be unconscious and it can indicate manipulative actions either self or others, and a person who is terrified to be aggressive and very frightened to be on the receiving end of violence.

Mars-Pluto people often have a fear of being destroyed, and feel some kind of force is out-there to get 'em. They have developed good survival instincts, and are the first to sense that something is going on. Many do smell danger before anything actually happens, they have an attuned psychic sense and know when there is something hidden, lurking in the background like a dominant threat. With Mars involved they need to fight for personal space, identity, and individuality. The aspect between these two planets can generate great courage, daring and ability to make powerful changes.

The individual has to overcome an inner darkness, and to hold some of those powerful feelings of anger back. Of course, inevitably, there will be those times when it feels like they have been overcome, killed in the battlefield and do not want to get back up again for the next big battle with life. However, they know when the time is right to come out with guns blazing and when it's time for change."
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2013/01/mars-pluto-aspects.html#.U7dEVf5XaV4

The woman murdered in this link (http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000361.html) has mars conjunct pluto and her husband's pluto conjuncted her mars exact. In your case is her pluto that conjuncts your mars however and it is not an exact conjunction. The man had mars karma so that played a role too as well as transit pluto activating his natal uranus that squares the mars in his natal chart.

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posted July 04, 2014 08:56 PM            

This would definitely help me identify if you should avoid this relationship completely. She also has mars square mercury so she will be provocative and argumentative combined with Pluto square mercury so she might be paranoid and start fights over perceived infidelities she thinks are happening...

Its even possible she is in an abusive relationship right now or an unstable relationship right now for which she contributes to the problems and is trying to jump to a new one with you....

posted July 04, 2014 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Well seeing her natal does change things a bit...My ex nor I have hard aspects natally between pluto and mars (we both have natally mars sextile pluto) so the mars conjunct pluto in composite was not a great concern and expressed itself nicely in bed with some psychological power struggles when we fought but that is it. Also valentine did conjunct that mars/pluto conjunction in our composite so the energy was expressed in a sexual loving relationship.

She has in her natal mars opposite pluto and in the description below it says pluto/mars aspects natally are frequently linked to the charts of sexual abuse, rape, suicide and murder victims. Since she has mars opposite pluto in her natal and your pluto conjuncts her mars that would be cause for concern specially when this is activated by a transit but looking at your natal would help determine how concerned we need to be exactly. Do proceed with caution:

"Those with Mars conjunct, square or opposite Pluto have an insatiable amount of drive, energy, and enormous willpower. They have an almost inexhaustible tap of strength and vitality if they choose to use it. The person sometimes gives an irresistible pull and compels others by being so secretive, fascinating and intense. The violent emotions hidden underneath sometimes act through partners, family, and loved ones. The Planet Pluto tends to supercharge things up and when connected to Mars, it is force, ambition, and desire that are all heightened. Many women with this contact find that it is through relationships where this aspect expresses itself with passion, jealousy, sexual power and even cruelty.

The aspect can mean there are ruthless, confrontations, and brutality, and great conflict that needs to be resolved. Inside Mars-Pluto is a burning rage so deep, unresolved and terrifying to face that person tries to shove it down. The individual is overwhelmed by feelings they cannot control and it often comes out in an explosive temper when the lid is left on too long. Many Mars- Pluto types fear the destructiveness inside of them, and they are scared that if they express this anger they may destroy the people they love. During childhood they might have witnessed or experienced the devastating effects of abuse, murder, and an underlying domestic turmoil.

There is a difficult side to these contacts that are frequently linked to the charts of sexual abuse, rape, suicide and murder victims. I have witnessed sweet and lovely people with this contact who don't appear to have a competitive bone in their entire body be taken over by such a twisted fate. Something that is completely out of their hands confronts the person, and forces them to find hidden strength, fight tooth and nail for survival, until they really are a force to be reckoned with. It is hard to know why this happens and many astrologers are saying that sexual abuse, life-threatening illness, or violence happens to these people because there is a 'repressed' rage, but this kind of explanation is not the most helpful one.

I don't think any astrologer no matter how brilliant could offer a real reason or justification, but there does seem to be some kind of destiny at work that ensures the individual uses their Mars. The person does discover a powerful drive for expression that they didn't even know existed. The individual realizes the goals, achievements and places they must go before they are even done. External circumstances may change the individual's destiny completely, and life takes on a whole new meaning. The internal fight could come through the body with a plutonian aspect and they battle against cancer, abuse, or an horrific injury. A sense of being powerless to something larger and pitted against an enemy they don't stand a chance with. A Mars-Pluto aspect is a conduit for the powerful energy of transformation. Pluto is connected with a life and death struggle.

The aspect is common in the world of competitive sports, and there is an obsessive quality to their actions and a need to push themselves to the limit. They do whatever it takes to win, and the bigger the challenge the better. A life lived without such great passion is not really a life lived at all. An outlet of some kind is required to drive their strong ambition down healthier channels. Demanding hobbies, mental and physical activities and making the most out of their talents satisfy those cravings. The aspect is productive for challenging themselves against nature, and achieving feats nobody thought possible.

The aspect can be said to need lot of sex and is lustful and it can be overpowering at times. Mars-Pluto sometimes relates to a sexual taboo aspect to their relationship like gay and mixed race couples. The pairing of these two planets leads to some dramatic, stormy and powerful relationships. Things tend to implode in relationships when issues are pushed far down into the depths of the unconscious and denied any expression. Pluto tends to rear it's snake head and begins to spit out all kinds of troubling emotions below the surface. The person shouldn't feel afraid to take full possession of these feelings and to talk about them honestly.

The individual's anger is like a bullet and anything in the firing line will be obliterated, they can be cold, dangerous and deadly in war. They have to really try and not let themselves be poisoned with anger, resentment, and hatred. The anger can be unconscious and it can indicate manipulative actions either self or others, and a person who is terrified to be aggressive and very frightened to be on the receiving end of violence.

Mars-Pluto people often have a fear of being destroyed, and feel some kind of force is out-there to get 'em. They have developed good survival instincts, and are the first to sense that something is going on. Many do smell danger before anything actually happens, they have an attuned psychic sense and know when there is something hidden, lurking in the background like a dominant threat. With Mars involved they need to fight for personal space, identity, and individuality. The aspect between these two planets can generate great courage, daring and ability to make powerful changes.

The individual has to overcome an inner darkness, and to hold some of those powerful feelings of anger back. Of course, inevitably, there will be those times when it feels like they have been overcome, killed in the battlefield and do not want to get back up again for the next big battle with life. However, they know when the time is right to come out with guns blazing and when it's time for change."
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2013/01/mars-pluto-aspects.html#.U7dEVf5XaV4

The woman murdered in this link (http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000361.html) has mars conjunct pluto and her husband's pluto conjuncted her mars exact. In your case is her pluto that conjuncts your mars however and it is not an exact conjunction. The man had mars karma so that played a role too as well as transit pluto activating his natal uranus that squares the mars in his natal chart.

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Wow thank you so much for your efforts, and everything is pretty much dead on. She told me that she was raped when she was 18 and she said just recently she is putting an effort to not end up alone in life. She also has few concerning health issues..
When she told me all this, I told her that I am staying and she really appreciated it and told me that I have all the traits that she wants in a man.
However, my instincts tell me that she has unresolved issues with her ex bf or maybe still has bf. My instincts does tell me to back off but it also tells me that she is geniuinely warm hearted girl and I should give it my best before I back off

And as for the whole abuse thing, will I be the one to be abused?? What are some examples of things that can happen?? It really is scary
Would this union not likely to last longer than a year?

posted July 04, 2014 09:43 PM            

You don't have the dangerous degrees, though. But I'd be interested to see if they're in your progressions -- or coming up.

An abuse survivor with natal MARS-PLUTO affliction AND a close synastric conjunction -- who's already showing aggression?

posted July 04, 2014 09:44 PM            

I will tell you why, her pluto opposes mars but it forms a tsquare with saturn in the 7th which conjuncts her DC.

Your pluto conjuncts mars but your mars is not afflicted or karmic...your pluto sextiles venus and your mars sextiles saturn. In addition you both have mars/pluto aspects natally but these aspects are linked to saturn in your natals as well so saturn will discipline the energy and make sure it expresses itself constructively...

posted July 04, 2014 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Well, the synastric MARS conjunct PLUTO with which I'm familiar was one of many aspects indicating a previous life ended by homicide -- one which I'm still karmically mulling over.

You don't have the dangerous degrees, though. But I'd be interested to see if they're in your progressions -- or coming up.

An abuse survivor with natal MARS-PLUTO affliction AND a close synastric conjunction -- who's already showing aggression?

Tell me she's in therapy.

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Yes, she told me she goes therapy once a month and her therapists talk to her everyday
and I would like to show you my progression as well, please tell me what to do.

posted July 04, 2014 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Go for it!

I will tell you why, her pluto opposes mars but it forms a tsquare with saturn in the 7th which conjuncts her DC.

Your pluto conjuncts mars but your mars is not afflicted or karmic...your pluto sextiles venus and your mars sextiles saturn. In addition you both have mars/pluto aspects natally but these aspects are linked to saturn in your natals as well so saturn will discipline the energy and make sure it expresses itself constructively...

She does take relationships seriously and perhaps that is why she wants to tie any loose ends before moving forward with you. Relationships help her manage her mars opposite pluto since saturn conjunct DC is the point of release for that tsquare.

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posted July 04, 2014 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
So basically, I can ease her troubles by being a loving boyfriend of hers right
I like the sound of that
So does that mean I won't be abused by her? I know for sure that I won't be the one to abuse

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Based on your natal I can tell you have karma with your mother and perhaps endured abuse in childhood at your home possibly involving your mother..is this so??

You have karma with your mom and the moon is the release point for all your tsquares and saturn is the release point for one of her tsquares...

I think based on her natal and your natal that is more likely she will be abusive towards you...which perhaps this repeats a pattern with you and your mother for you....

What was the relationship with your mother like?