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IndigoDirae
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posted July 31, 2014 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's been some great discussion on the dynamics of one's MOON overlaying the other's 8H; including the reported experiences of each.

To start, I thought I'd share this from EW Neville's 'Planets in Synastry'. It's an excellent text:

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This overlay is a vaguely troubling and disturbing one. Every human harbours some dark thoughts, some strange corners or some aberrant fantasies in their subconscious; forced into these recesses by the behavioural requirements of the society.

The conscious mind can manage these urges and prevent them from being translated from arcane phantoms into actualising, but there is no way we can prevent these unconscious emotional drives from giving birth to them … no way, of course, except, severe repression which leads to true madness. For most humans, this phenomenon is quite manageable and we experience only fleeting and very private break-outs of these drives.

The 8H overlay appears to trigger this sort of response in the Moon person, reaching into the deep emotions and stirring up these phantoms. The particular form in which these demons reveal themselves depends, of course, both on the natal potentials of the Moon person and the remainder of the links with the house person.

We must look to the natal chart of the Moon person to see where any such drives root, where the potential for unacceptable social behaviour may lie dormant and restrained.

The house person may well sense this response and, should there be any incentive created by other linkages to the Moon person’s chart, be motivated to capitalise on them.

These responses are familiar enough: greed, possessiveness, power, sexual excess or any other of humanity’s less attractive qualities. In general, this overlay tends to bring out the least positive of our potentials, and we are at least momentarily tempted to escape from the restraints of society in some way when we experience it.

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Thoughts? Sound on-point, or does it miss the mark? Can you contribute a similar or different perspective?

It seems to be among the absolute most intense, transformative, and delving positions for the MOON, stirring deeply repressed drives and bringing much to the surface for both -- good, bad, and never indifferent.

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posted July 31, 2014 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My s.o's 8th house moon falls into my 8th house (along with his venus and mars).

Hmm he's slightly obsessed with digging into my head and "mapping" my thinking process. Well he has merc conj pluto in scorp, so it could be a contributing factor.

He finds in me certain traits that he dislikes, but ironically those are parts of what makes me attractive to him. I sway some his principles and his values. And he affects me similarly. It leads to great respect for each other's thoughts, choices and courses of action.

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posted July 31, 2014 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My MOON falls in JH's 8H. I'm not entirely sure what to think about it, though. I also have it natally in my own 8H, conj PLUTO (aspecting). If anything, with SATURN-JUPITER there, I think the cautious discipline and inherent good luck of that pair, coupled with an innate understanding render the negatives a moot issue. My MOON is quincunx CHIRON 2°, trine PSYCHE 0°, and trine AC-SN 3°, which may also factor in.

You know me - "dark desires and impulses"? Pfft.

My mother also has her MOON in her own 8H. I thought I'd toss that out, as MOON also represents one's mother. Hereditary chart geometry may also give me an upper hand on correctly channeling such forces.

I think it entirely is dependent on a native's MOON, and how it is aspected in their own chart. PLUTO too perhaps, or the 8R, especially in respect to the MOON.

I feel MOON in another's 8H is much more about giving the MOON person more intuitive insight into the house person's hidden depths, as opposed to dragging something dark out of the MOON. It gives an unspoken closeness.

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I basically love his book (have to reread it, especially the last part about the secondary chart I think - did you give it a try?).

I don´t agree with all his descriptions though, I think I remember him having a bias against the 4th house. lol

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posted July 31, 2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:

I think it entirely is dependent on a native's MOON, and how it is aspected in their own chart. PLUTO too perhaps, or the 8R, especially in respect to the MOON.

I feel MOON in another's 8H is much more about giving the MOON person more intuitive insight into the house person's hidden depths, as opposed to dragging something dark out of the MOON. It gives an unspoken closeness.


I really like this description. I've had this on two occasions with different people and I don't see the 8th house overlay being as negative as some astrologers have made it out to be! I feel like the Moon here shows an exchange of deeper emotions between both parties - a potential for both the 8th house person and the Moon to share deeper issues and feelings without feeling judged. I definitely agree on feeling 'close' often without even knowing why.

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posted July 31, 2014 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for loffra180     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Moon falls into Amber's 8th house, along with my AC and my Ceres, and my Nessus. My Moon, AC, and Ceres are in my first house, and my Nessus is in my 12th. The description you found definitely fits certain things in myself that have popped up in my interactions with her. It really makes things...complicated. Especially when combined with the fact that we have a Eros-Psyche conjunction in Scorpio with my Eros being OOB. Also, Shane's Moon is in my 8th house, along with his Saturn and Nessus,which is all in his 12th house.

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posted August 04, 2014 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really did find certain things resonant with Neville's interpretation; perhaps, because there's less written about the Lunar perspective as much as it's focussed upon the 8H individual.

For me, it deeply hit home.

I recall how, a few months before we both essentially succumbed to mutual pressure -- both internally, externally, and interpersonally -- he was practically simmering. Everything had this edge to it. His usual 'facetious charm' (as you aptly described, Blind writer), was becoming lost in this extremely chaotic undercurrent; the intermittent rage seemed to stem from how tightly he was attempting to keep it in check -- and preferably disguised. But, as he says of me, 'you know me too well.' It's partially being astute -- highly perceptive. The rest is, yes, a kind of facility which comes only from lengthily learning a person.

It really came out when he practically spat at me how there was no one remotely like me. Seemed he'd been determined to do a half-hearted, completely superficial 'search' for the four years we'd reverted to a platonic relationship. But to see the rage in his face -- in his voice. Wow.

When we did decide to allow a sexual relationship to finally develop, he'd admitted he was rather certain he'd already located the one for whom he'd been searching -- just didn't want to accept it. I remember asking him, 'then would you please stop trying to replace me?' And we both resolved to make it work.

Anyhow. To me, the overlaying of his 5H planets -- which ostensibly had lain dormant there -- into my 8H was proving a kind of deep delving for which he was not at all prepared. He's so overcontrolled; always composed, keeping everything in check. To suddenly feel such overwhelming intensity -- well, it was bound to surface a bit of rage on top of it.

It's never come out in other ways. His SATURN in my 8H, (even though it's 4H, and not 5H) definitely seems to sublimate some of the anger into sexual dominance. Not an issue. It's just a relief to see ANYTHING crack the armour!

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posted August 04, 2014 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for loffra180     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having your Moon in somebody's 8th house is really a doozy. I feel for him, and I'm glad that you guys have found a way to work it out. It HAS to have an outlet somewhere, otherwise it will just make you go crazy, either that or you have to just let go of the feelings it brings up and that is in no way an easy task. I'm pretty sure if I hadn't gotten it under control, Amber and I probably wouldn't be friends anymore.

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8th house with Cancer on cusp, her Moon sitting inside, his Cancer Moon falling into her 8th house forming an exact conjunction to hers.

A soulmatey feeling together with weird emotional stuff. Weird emotional behaviour--yet a sense of deep understanding. She said "I had a feeling like when I hurt him, I hurt myself, he felt the same and yet neither of us could stop." Hidden psychological issues coming out.
Lots of fighting, not in a passionate way but in a bitter and painful way. Feeling wounded.

We were comparing notes on relationships. I had 8th house Saturn square Mars, DW Moon overlaying the 5th house. We were fighting a lot, too, but it didn't hurt that much. We usually made up at the end and had celebratory sex, sometimes in reverse order. It was external fighting--him being a stubborn control freak, me having a stubborn and assertive personality. And the Moon in 8th person said fighting always left her feeling wounded. Sex could never heal that, it made it worse somehow. It was like all the fighting commenced inside. On the outside, they looked much nicer and smoother and healthier as a couple. We were the ones who looked dysfunctional, yet we were having more fun.

I'm pretty careful with 8th house Moons since that because I was sure Moon conjunction was meant to be totally sweet and awesome and warm fuzzies.

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read the description. it doesn't resonate. my partner and i have my moon in his 8th and his venus/mars in my 8th. it hasn't been all dark and sexual and forbidden or anything typically associated with 8H. perhaps if the natal charts already have 8th house influences this overlay matters less? he has a Scorpio Moon and I have Pluto as the chart ruler and conjunct to 3 planets so we're pluto people anyway. maybe the effect is greater when you're not?

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posted August 06, 2014 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
read the description. it doesn't resonate. my partner and i have my moon in his 8th and his venus/mars in my 8th. it hasn't been all dark and sexual and forbidden or anything typically associated with 8H. perhaps if the natal charts already have 8th house influences this overlay matters less? he has a Scorpio Moon and I have Pluto as the chart ruler and conjunct to 3 planets so we're pluto people anyway. maybe the effect is greater when you're not?

Rather than being Plutonian lessening 8H overlays, I think level of repression / suppression must be taken into account. For me, it was dead-on, I think, due to how much is lying underneath the surface, expertly buried.

If you're more out in the open, very sex-positive and comfortable with visceral, unvarnished display -- it isn't likely to grab you much.

I'm definitely a hardcore Plutonian, but I can say it's felt here. I can only imagine the true depth of his experience. It's tricky for him to articulate, but his actions reveal far more.

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posted August 06, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Starry,

That's fascinating. I WOULD think that 5H overlays would be more, well, Leo than Scorpio. Sex following fighting is an awful habit couples get into. All it does is chip away at intimacy. The initial issues aren't resolved that way. They linger. I think with 8H lunar overlays, that would be most prominent; maybe even a thematic lesson.

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posted July 14, 2015 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I felt it's time for some updates, thanks to a great discussion with Lotis.

AUBYANNE: Lotis:

What's your take on a man's MOON in a woman's 8H? How does that overlay tend to play out in your experience? I often see much remarking on the MOON's experience of the other's 8H; it's only the 8H's vantage.

LOTIS: Hi Aubyanne,

The Moon person's style of nurturing, their innate spontaneous vulnerability, and security needs will tug on the 8th house person's sense of intimacy. The Moon's inner world fascinates the 8th house person, and they are often very intrigued with what's really going on beneath the surface for the Moon person: What are they really feeling? and what do they really what? The 8th house is where we lift our barriers, and allow ourselves to be vulnerable, so that we can experience a deeper connection. The 8th house is where we give ourselves permission to reveal the deepest parts of our hearts to others. It often takes a lot of reassurance before we're ready to 'go there'. The Moon's natural way of expressing inner feelings satisfies the 8th house person's needs for reassurance. The Moon is able to make the 8th house person feel safer opening and establishing a more profound bond. The 8th house person becomes more willing to take the risk of revealing their intimacy needs to the Moon person. The 8th house person feels their bond with the Moon person is personal and private, and they may guard it fiercely. The 8th house person may also be quite possessive and protective of the Moon but not necessarily in an unhealthy way.

AUBYANNE: Thanks, Lotis.

I'd have to say, that's a spot-on take on the 8H's perspective of the MOON, definitely. Perhaps I should've said it appears general consensus that it's the house which is more affected in these terms than the planet.

I'm interested in how the 8H overlay might affect the MOON in terms of vulnerability, or the means to experience it? It seems we rarely get the MOON's vantage; when I hear others' experiences, however, the MOON individual seems quite affected, experiencing much of the same that the 8H is thought or said to.

If it helps to be more specific, my MOON is in his 12H. They're in quincunx to each other by 1°30.

I am definitely fascinated by his potential for vulnerability, and how I might affect it, or him. He's quite impossible to read in that regard, however, and self-proclaimed has never truly lost control. So I'm often wondering: what's the MOON feeling or experiencing when it's in another's 8H?

LOTIS: From my observation I’d have to say that the house person feels it more most of the time in overlays.

The planet person may sense what they’re activating in the other person but the house person’s response to the planet person is usually more in tune with the house being overlayed (because it is their natal house after all). Often the planet person is attracted to the house person’s reaction to them. I think this is what would happen in the 8th house/Moon situation. The Moon's natural behavior is reassuring to the 8th house person, which opens the 8th house person up. So the 8th house person’s trust inspires the Moon person to reveal more of their own inner self and vulnerability in turn. The intimacy just builds and builds on itself.

Then there’s aspects to consider.

Auby did you read the thread about quincunxes? Basically the quincunx in an aspect of mis-matched styles, confusion, renegotiation/investigation, and the improvement and deeper understanding that results from determinedly trying to figure out an emotional alien. Moons that quincunx each other find each other puzzling, and have to spend the time digging at each other to really get where the other is coming form. A Moon quincunxing yours from your 8th house would be able to sense that he activates your need for trust and intimacy, which may attract him or give him a ‘boost’. And he also would sense that in order to get to that deeper place with you there’d have to be effort and compromise put into the relationship, so that you’d be able to navigate around each other’s different emotional styles. With quincunxes, there’d occasionally by mixed messages and misunderstandings between you so you’d need to be very clear with communication. Other aspects in synastry to the quincunxing Moons can really help with this. Quincunxes can also bring fascination, curiosity, and a driving need to ‘work’ on something with the other person, to a connection. The Moon person might feel an urge to get the 8th house person to be more comfortable expressing their 8th house security and trust needs, since the sign on the 8th house is quincunx the 8th house person’s own Moon (with a Moon/Moon quincunx). The Moon may try to help the 8th house person out, or even challenge the 8th house person, with regard to certain ‘comfort zone’, trust, and intimacy issues. This may or may not be a successful effort depending on the rest of the synastry. The Moon person could sometimes make the 8th house person a little uncomfortable when it comes to pushing limits, even when it could lead to growth.

About your Moon in his 12th house, the 12th house can be a bit of a blind spot for us at times. The stuff that you’re feeling might be a surprise to him once he finds out what it is. And when he thinks back on it he may wonder how he missed all of that. Yet at other times there’s a strong intuitive link between you two, and an instinctive knowing. The quincunx between Moons overlaying in watery houses denotes mis-matching emotional styles, contrasted with an oddly sensitive emotional bond. Even though you don’t always get why the other person does what they do, there tends to be real feelings involved. The relationship would be punctuated with occasional breakthroughs when the two people probe at each other for better understanding. The mystery of the other person is solved by wiggling around with them in different ways to accommodate each person’s unique differences. It’s workable if you want it to be, but it takes effort and willingness from both people. Your Moon in his 12th has a tendency to 'lift the veil' for him, and reveal certain realities to him, which before he might not have been aware of. This can be an awkward growing experience for him, and makes him more perceptive about what he's been missing beforehand.

Your Moon in his 12th helps him to work on his personal 'blind spot', and his Moon in your 8th house helps you to reexamine your intimacy and trust concerns. You learn things from each other by niggling away at each other bit by bit, seeking better understanding.

Hope this answers your question.

AUBYANNE: Deeply insightful, Lotis, thank you.

I'd have to say that's been my experience of his MOON in my 8H; it's often his reactions to my behaviour, or his interpretation of it, that drives his own. It's also been through me that, yes, much has been 'illuminated' that he never quite realised of himself or perceived before.

The funny part is that we're the opposite of emotional aliens; we understand one another's emotions (or lack thereof) and personality, due to their extreme similarity. Rather, we're more like each other than most people. It was through me that he finally found someone 'like' himself. There's a catch, though, as we're both asexual schizoids. He also came to understand that some of what makes up our emotional profile is unhealthy, damaged, traumatised, and in need of healing.

Regarding the specific experience of his MOON in my 8H, I'd have to say there's nothing more perfectly metaphorical of that then when we engage in intercourse together. Being a woman with primary vaginismus, sex has been a no-go for me for long stretches of my sexually active periods. Something on a deeply intuitive level did resonate with him (after years of close friendship and an affectionate relationship with romantic features) which finally allowed me to feel capable enough to attempt such a sexual relationship. It's more akin to BDSM to sex, honestly, as he uses his experience in this area to gently guide, and calmly, patiently, allow me to go through the necessary pain towards and through catharsis and release.

If that's not the perfect metaphor, then I don't know what is. His MOON is even 2° conjunct my PRIAPUS (with his BML on it at 0°).

Alas, because of my work as a sex therapist, I understand how this particular experience may not provide the proper means to delve into his own vulnerabilities -- an area that I know is essential for his own healing. Conversely, it allows him to take the role of the nurturing, instructive, in-control guide, more akin to a shaman than a man engaging in intercourse. This is lovely for me, and perfectly fits my needs ...

... But what about him?

In these instances, I can't help but ask, 'what about the MOON?'

Men, in sex, don't experience it the way a woman does, categorically. While they absolutely can enjoy it to the fullest, they do so differently; rather than feeling the invasive nature, they must relate to the experience in a manner that's separate but meaningful.

Perhaps that's why the MOON's experience is so similar to the man's in coitus. But, for the woman's, we'd have to take the 8H's perspective: vulnerable, seeking to express itself, to feel secure and trusting, so that it can experience -- and even enjoy -- the 'intrusion'.

As to why there might be something different going on despite the quincunx and the water house link?

We have an exact conjunction of MARS and PLUTO. Many would find this aspect challenging and even a bit frightening. For us, it has a unique impact -- being the dispositors of our MOONs. I guess you could say that our lunar profiles find a strange unity in the late degrees of Libra -- which is where my SUN happens to be, too.

Rather than an emotional alien, my very core identity resonates with the deepest layers of his MOON. The trick, indeed, is moving beyond the more superficial Aries traits, which can seem a bit impulsive to my Scorpio. But then his SUN is 8H -- so that's got to have some impact.

Thanks for your help, Lotis.

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I had this with someone amd I've been the moon also. It's difficult to say the least. The house person will always be the one with the long lasting affects. But the moon person is the one who, in my eyes, cause the 8th house to take a dark turn. The moon person is almost observant of the house person out of their own paranoia or reason. But they do it silently. If trauma occurs, walk away. No, run away b/c it only gets worse. The moon likes to hold onto to things and the house person is left with the choice to hold on and go down and flames. Or, let go and start the healing process.

It's transformative. I read right thru my moon person but when I was the moon person I was honest but silent at times too.


It's just not a good aspect to me. It CAN work but it takes alot. Too much for me because of the silence.the silence is deadly and the moon person almost forces emotions on the house person.


Never again lol the aexual.part wa amazing but man everything else I could have done without

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What about when a heterosexual man's Moon falls in another heterosexual man's 8th house?

It's interesting because I can see it in one case where man A (the Moon) covets man B's (the 8th house) wife. What's also interesting is that there are plenty of other aspects that would denote sizzling sexual chemistry in different circumstances, e.g. A's Mars conjunct B's Venus (exact).

I also wonder if clashing marriage aspects such as A's Mars square B's Juno (exact) and A's Chiron square B's Vesta (exact) might here denote a *threat* to the marriage... along with potential violence aspects like A's Nessus opposite B's Sun (1 degree).

Anyway, this just got me thinking. I wonder if the Moon in another's 8th house might have the potential to turn really ugly if we're talking about rivals or enemies, not lovers.

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Originally posted by Petronilla:
What about when a heterosexual man's Moon falls in another heterosexual man's 8th house?

It's interesting because I can see it in one case where man A (the Moon) covets man B's (the 8th house) wife. What's also interesting is that there are plenty of other aspects that would denote sizzling sexual chemistry in different circumstances, e.g. A's Mars conjunct B's Venus (exact).

I also wonder if clashing marriage aspects such as A's Mars square B's Juno (exact) and A's Chiron square B's Vesta (exact) might here denote a *threat* to the marriage... along with potential violence aspects like A's Nessus opposite B's Sun (1 degree).

Anyway, this just got me thinking. I wonder if the Moon in another's 8th house might have the potential to turn really ugly if we're talking about rivals or enemies, not lovers.


I should add that this synastry also includes such gems as A's Sun square B's Mars (1 degree), A's Nemesis square B's Mars (exact), and B's Nemesis conjunct A's Mars (exact).

Definitely best friends potential, then

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*reads the opening post*
Good *creepy voice* I have someone's Moon in my 8th and I wouldn't mind depriving him a little

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

... But what about him?

In these instances, I can't help but ask, 'what about the MOON?'


Me too. I often wonder how the Moon person (him) feels. I'm the 8th house person and we also have moon-pluto contacts. In the descriptions, it says that the house person is the jealous-possessive one. But in fact, he is that way, not me. Is this normal for the moon person? How do they feel about the house person? I'd really like to know.

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omg Indigo i was just noticing this, his moon overlays my 8th house eeekkkkk and he actually lives in Culver City, California just throwing it out there. lol

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Originally posted by StillTippin:
I had this with someone amd I've been the moon also. It's difficult to say the least. The house person will always be the one with the long lasting affects. But the moon person is the one who, in my eyes, cause the 8th house to take a dark turn. The moon person is almost observant of the house person out of their own paranoia or reason. But they do it silently. If trauma occurs, walk away. No, run away b/c it only gets worse. The moon likes to hold onto to things and the house person is left with the choice to hold on and go down and flames. Or, let go and start the healing process.

It's transformative. I read right thru my moon person but when I was the moon person I was honest but silent at times too.


It's just not a good aspect to me. It CAN work but it takes alot. Too much for me because of the silence.the silence is deadly and the moon person almost forces emotions on the house person.


Never again lol the aexual.part wa amazing but man everything else I could have done without


its true i do find myself so consumed emotionally unfortunately more than him and he does take out dark obsessive emotions out of me.


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I think, like all placements, aspects are everything -- both natal and synastric.

The 8H lunar overlay can be a potent experience, indeed. The shape it takes is ultimately determined by those aspects, as well as the sign involved.

In my case, it's his MOON, BML, NYMPHE, and a few others that overlay my 8H. BML is an interesting one, being 0° conjunct my PRIAPUS. When the Moon's perigee and apogee are in alignment, a sort of balance may be struck by the resulting conjunction.

With maturity and awareness, PRIAPUS is able to help BML feel acceptance in place of rejection, and BML is able to help PRIAPUS learn to take stock in its own greater emotional independence, as opposed to engaging in insecurity-driven behaviours for which detached and solitude-loving BML will absolutely not stand.

Being the 8H, this has played out most readily within the dynamics of our sexual relationship. His 5H BML, combined with NYMPHE (2°) carries some deep wounds from latter childhood and mid adolescence. He never really learnt to play and experienced rejection from his peers for being 'born old'. He didn't fit in. His intelligence and maturity were mistrusted as opposed to valued. As a result, he came to rely more upon his solitude and independence, prizing his own company above all.

This, of course, is wrapped up in his emotional profile, locked away into his MOON, which is caught in a tight 0°-0°30 T-Square with his MARS and his own 8H MERC. Deep sexual dysfunction from sex-negativity, and never truly being able to explore his own sexuality, thus never even considering being a sexual being -- even one with several conditions who is only infrequently sexual.

Then my SUN-PLUTO is conjunct his MARS (0° again, in the case of PLUTO), unleashing an incredibly transformative potential that gets right to the root of his issues with his own sexuality and masculine ego (MARS), and opposite his MOON (0°-2°) setting off his deepest emotions to become involved, even excavated from their having been buried to the point of repression.

It's hardly necessary to mention that my own BML (0°) is conjunct my SUN-PLUTO, forcing me to deal with my own issues regarding rejection, my tendency to run from intimacy, and how my own sexuality became complicated and dysfunctional as a result of these things. But there it is.

So now you can see how these 8H issues, overlaying from his 5H MOON, are operating between us, thanks to their being part of a much greater pattern, into which many of my own personal points are locked and active -- in most cases, at 0°, with the widest at 2°.

A good word is: powerful.

Hopefully, you'll be able to make more sense of your own 8H lunar overlay by looking at it in the greater context of its aspects -- natal and synastric.

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posted November 12, 2015 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But the moon person is the one who, in my eyes, cause the 8th house to take a dark turn. The moon person is almost observant of the house person out of their own paranoia or reason. But they do it silently. If trauma occurs, walk away. No, run away b/c it only gets worse. The moon likes to hold onto to things and the house person is left with the choice to hold on and go down and flames. Or, let go and start the healing process ...

Good heavens! You must've had some horrendous interaspects on top of very little maturity on behalf of the 8H individual. That sounds uncommonly awful. I'm sorry to hear you went through that. Needless to say, it hardly need be that tragic and terrible. It can be extremely -- yes, transformative -- building powerful, lasting intimacy.

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posted November 12, 2015 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Good heavens! You must've had some horrendous interaspects on top of very little maturity on behalf of the 8H individual. That sounds uncommonly awful. I'm sorry to hear you went through that. Needless to say, it hardly need be that tragic and terrible. It can be extremely -- yes, transformative -- building powerful, lasting intimacy.

Aubyanne your clarification about the moon overlaying someone's 8H was perfect but I also am so curious to know about someones moon overlaying the 2H as well?? I started a thread about the two on what would be similar and different about this one?

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posted December 06, 2015 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vinnu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what's the verdict when BOTH moons are in the 8th house of a synastry chart?

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posted December 06, 2015 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peluches     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So now you can see how these 8H issues, overlaying from his 5H MOON...

... I have the same ! My 5H Aquarius MOON in his 8H.

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