posted August 05, 2014 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
In Soulmate relationships, it's THE house of focus.

In relationships in general, it's our personal sexuality -- what I'm understanding. It's what WE have (hence our talents, esteem, and resources) to offer in matters of intimacy. Taurus is a very tactile sign, too. Its natural house seems very much in-line with this thinking here.

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I'd love to read up on this more if you have any suggestions. A psychic told me he was y soulmate, and that he'd be entering my life precisely when he did. We have a ton of 2h overlays and a lot of 12h composite, not to mention vertex/node action, among other factors.

posted August 05, 2014 09:20 AM            

And if two people share similiar aspects natally between succedent houses AND aspect those rulers and planets in synastry, we might have a strong physical, sexual, chemistry there, Moth to flame, key-to-lock, and not platonic at all, but sometimes it can get too much, or too little, or too complex, or too "I can`t stand it that by looking at you I always see my own issues, that I deny I have, reflected back at me"

If that happens in the succedent cross, issues are usually revolving around feelings of value/ worthiness and expressing very often in sexual areas.

But boy, if these connect! It`s hot, maybe not always healthy-hot, but wow!

8th house to 5th or 2nd house especially, I have found often present in these compulsive attractions. Sometimes taboo, sometimes forbidden fruits scenario, or just basically compulsive and compelling.

5th to 2nd is a little calmer, more sensual, comforting (unless of course there are REAL issues surrounding one of these houses).

11th house I have not yet figured out totally, but I will. In time. (I need to my 11th house ruler is Pluto squaring 5th house ruler Venus. lol, and Uranus on 11th house cusp. No way around it for me).

posted August 05, 2014 09:26 AM            

The touching present here, is not so much a touching of bodies, but of the soul (that is why the 8th is paramount. SUCCEDENT and WATER and in PARTNER-quadrant)

I donīt think so that without touchy-feeling aspects (like Moon-Mars for example) or the interconnection to the succedent cross there would be sexual/ erotic touches (but of course the body can be "used" as a bridge to the spiritual experience).

8th might be different on its own. Anyone experiences an aspect between 8th house rulers or 8th house planets in synastry?

posted August 05, 2014 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
In Soulmate relationships, it's THE house of focus.

In relationships in general, it's our personal sexuality -- what I'm understanding. It's what WE have (hence our talents, esteem, and resources) to offer in matters of intimacy. Taurus is a very tactile sign, too. Its natural house seems very much in-line with this thinking here.

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posted August 05, 2014 10:29 AM            

In my case, it's hard to tell, because Mercury rules both 5th and 8th. But the 8th house is practically my entire natal lol so everything happening to me will be connected to 8th house matters, ore or less.

The 12th house is this place of merging, where we can "lose ourselves" into the other, returning to the source, among many other things - definitely a place of otherwordly intimacy and bonding, once the barriers of this overwhelming frightening feeling to be in the presence of someone bringing this to you are overcome. A house yet to be discovered in astrology and sysnatry/comp, a mystery house indeed , still misunderstood.

Currently, I have this idea the 11th house (when it comes to love) is not entirely receptive, passive - not just a place where we sit on a pedestal and are being adored and admired by others. I think it also sows how we respond to adoration, admiration and love. Let's put it this way: in the 5th, I'm the one seeing a beautiful stranger and going after them, it shows my approach to a love interest, my style of initiating love and my "honeymoon" behavior (only a part of it, of course, other parts are shown by the 7th and the 8th) - it doesn't mean this behavior will disappear in time, when I'm in a couple (hopefully), but it does show my "conquerer" "seducer" "your private Don Juan" style.

In the 11th, someone adores me and it shows the way I respond to love and adoration, my behavior towards the ones who love me. Now, this is indeed very connected to parental models and self-image issues, so in this respect, it is a psychological house showing my potential and style to respond to love and adoration. Someone Saturn here, for instance, may have felt in childhood or teenage years a lack of love or admiration from peers or even family - he will be other withdrawn or hungry for attention, in social groups. In a romantic relationship activating his 11th house, when being confronted to being loved/adored by a person, he will respond in several Saturnian ways: insecure, not believing; trying to dominate; clingy; distant, cold etc.

Of course, the ruler is also to be considered.

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posted August 05, 2014 10:48 AM            

In my case with Uranus on the cusp - bizarrely. Or I might ask them for their birthtime.

However with Uranus you never know. ONe moment totally present, the other gone. Not like Neptune dissolving into fog, but like lightening bolting away. (actually that is pretty much me. lol)

Also responding on a more intellectual distant level, compassionate for the whole world rather than personally, which is what i was being appreciated and praised for in my childhood, the ability to see from a bird`s view, a rather remote place.

And I remember during my teenage years a friend of mine (whom I was having an on-off-crush on - a Gemini. lol) once said: "I am insanely attracted to you, when you struggle to get away, and are just an armlength away, out of my reach, and independent. But if you come close and stop wrestling for maintaing distance, it`s totally gone."

Maybe I internalized that more than I was aware of. Staying out of reach keeps the intrigue alive, while coming too close kills the fascination.

That is soooo Uranus. lol

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Mr Sag on the other hand has Venus in his 11th house (with their own challenges, and especially SAturn ruler of that house, but I focus on Venus).
He needs appreciation, applause, admiration like the air to breathe I guess.
And reacts most sweetly and graciously to it. (not at all so bizarre like I do. lol)

How funny, I just realize that that aligns to our wide square of my Uranus to his Venus. Both are in 11th house natally.

(well in synastry overlay my Uranus falls into his 7th house and hsi Venus into my 2nd).

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We both have an inbuilt square of 5th house ruler to 11th house ruler in our natals.

his 5th house ruler is Moon in Sagittarius in 10th house
his 11th house ruler is Saturn in Virgo on his DESC-exact. (trine Capricorn-Venus IN 11th house tough)
(so the conflict expressing on the 10th-7th house-arena)

my 5th houe ruler is Venus in Capricorn in 1st house (widely sextile Uranus in 11th).
my 11t house ruler is Pluto in Libra in 10th house conjunct MC.

So my arena would be the 1st-10th.

posted August 05, 2014 11:24 AM            

How Uranian, indeed hahahaha Uranus and Pluto, the masters of intrigue. (Neptune too, in his own way)

And how do you think this 5th/11th square plays out?

posted August 05, 2014 11:46 AM            

Maybe I respond in a more conventional, airy, intellectual, nice, socially compatible way (Libra and 10th), while my instinctual expression of love is actually much more physically oriented and sensual, then others would believe in the way I am sort of intellectualizing it?

I donīt know for sure though.

For him that would mean that he expresses his love in Sagittarian ways, and is of course turned on by this, just like I am turned on by this Capricorn/Saturnian seriousness.
But he himself expresses in a more jolly, I am here and everything is good and fun enthusiastic style. Of course the theatrical expression fits here, with the 5th house ruler being conjunct Sun on MC.

However, if someone shows him affection, he would respond with is Saturn in Virgo on the DESC. Actually probably taking it more personal, than the 5th house ruler on MC would make it believe, but responding in a more earthy, calm, quiet way, with that Virgo there. Very observant (yes he is, I underestimated his observation skills, being dazzled and blinded by that Sag-stellium on MC). Also analytical, selfcritical and so on.

Interesting, I just realize that my 5th house ruler and his 11th house ruler are both in earth signs.

It does not work quite as good the other way round. His 5th house rule rin Sag, my 11th house ruler in Libra, though my traditional 11th house ruler Mrs, is in actually in Sag.

posted August 05, 2014 12:23 PM            

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It`s a good question. I am not entirely sure. Just that ther eis an issue, a conflict between how I express my affection (Capricorn/ 1st house) and how I respond to others showing me their affection (Libra/ 10th house).

Maybe I respond in a more conventional, airy, intellectual, nice, socially compatible way (Libra and 10th), while my instinctual expression of love is actually much more physically oriented and sensual, then others would believe in the way I am sort of intellectualizing it?

I donīt know for sure though.

For him that would mean that he expresses his love in Sagittarian ways, and is of course turned on by this, just like I am turned on by this Capricorn/Saturnian seriousness.
But he himself expresses in a more jolly, I am here and everything is good and fun enthusiastic style. Of course the theatrical expression fits here, with the 5th house ruler being conjunct Sun on MC.

However, if someone shows him affection, he would respond with is Saturn in Virgo on the DESC. Actually probably taking it more personal, than the 5th house ruler on MC would make it believe, but responding in a more earthy, calm, quiet way, with that Virgo there. Very observant (yes he is, I underestimated his observation skills, being dazzled and blinded by that Sag-stellium on MC). Also analytical, selfcritical and so on.

Interesting, I just realize that my 5th house ruler and his 11th house ruler are both in earth signs.

It does not work quite as good the other way round. His 5th house rule rin Sag, my 11th house ruler in Libra, though my traditional 11th house ruler Mrs, is in actually in Sag.

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I think this is a very good description.

And Sag/Libra are natural partners, in the sense that they complete each other and stimulate each other(air feeds fire, fire heats air, plus they're both sociable signs)

posted August 06, 2014 10:54 AM            

I sometimes tend to downplay it, cause there is so much else going on.
But isn`t it interesting how his Jupiter trines my Venus and my Jupiter opposes his Mars?
(well actually his Jupiter also widely squares my Mars, and my Jupiter semisquares my Venus - but the other way round it is more "clear" I htink).

Jupiter aspects are really nice synastrically, and to have his Jupiter trine the symbol of my feminity, well it IS nice. Of course Jupiter enhances/ expands what it touches, and with Venus ruling my 5th house...

for him, well Jupiter opposping Mars seems a little more dynamic, which does not need to be a bad thing, and Mars rules his intercepted 1st house (he feels supported, though maybe also a little challenged in being himself?) and is the traditional ruler of his 8th house.

So basically it means his Jupiter trines my 5th house ruler, my Jupiter opposes his 8th house ruler.

posted August 06, 2014 11:37 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, interesting. Jupiter and Venus, and these planets are actually trine each other in our synastry.

I sometimes tend to downplay it, cause there is so much else going on.
But isn`t it interesting how his Jupiter trines my Venus and my Jupiter opposes his Mars?
(well actually his Jupiter also widely squares my Mars, and my Jupiter semisquares my Venus - but the other way round it is more "clear" I htink).

Jupiter aspects are really nice synastrically, and to have his Jupiter trine the symbol of my feminity, well it IS nice. Of course Jupiter enhances/ expands what it touches, and with Venus ruling my 5th house...

for him, well Jupiter opposping Mars seems a little more dynamic, which does not need to be a bad thing, and Mars rules his intercepted 1st house (he feels supported, though maybe also a little challenged in being himself?) and is the traditional ruler of his 8th house.

So basically it means his Jupiter trines my 5th house ruler, my Jupiter opposes his 8th house ruler.

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Frankly, I'm shocked at how Jupiter really impacts! I think it's overlooked too much.

Hers is conjunct my Mars exact. Also conjunct mercury, and asc. Square moon. In my 12th. she's a mind reader!

My Jupiter trines her sun, moon, and jupiter.
I'm blown away by jupiter as I overlooked it myself.

posted August 06, 2014 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
So Moon falling into a partner's 2nd house would be a sort of soulful-yet-sensual thing? I keep hearing it is related to business relationships but there have to be other sides of interpretation.

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The 2H is something I've been delving into more deeply. It's all how you view it. With 2H overlays, there could be that element of commerce, but the moment intimacy is introduced -- it ain't about negotiating deals anymore. Well, not commercial ones!

Curiously, the 2H is the Soulmate house because of its role in karmic astrology -- being the house of special karma. This is why relationships that specifically deal with special karma often pop up here. I'm theorising that debts and outstanding / unresolved karma may very well show up here, too -- doubly so, if SATURN makes an appearance. And PLUTO.

Now, on the mundane level, the 2H seems to have a personal sexuality bent. (If you think about Taurus, that makes sense.) This is where sexuality and attraction is earthy, physical, and raw. It's about the body, and its specific pleasures and luxuries -- so sensuality is definitely a keyword.

posted August 06, 2014 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
All of this is so interesting. In our composite, we have four 12h planets, so that may have something to do with it!

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posted August 06, 2014 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
I'd love to read up on this more if you have any suggestions. A psychic told me he was y soulmate, and that he'd be entering my life precisely when he did. We have a ton of 2h overlays and a lot of 12h composite, not to mention vertex/node action, among other factors.

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You're speaking of Soulmate in the singular, so I'm guessing you mean something more akin to a Twin Flame? Perhaps. I've definitely noticed 2H overlays in Soulmate relationships. Twin Flames -- not so much. Likely because of the karma factor.

Please be careful with a packed 12H in composite. Especially if there are natal afflictions, or squares from NEPTUNE.

Twins can have a dense 12H when there's major karma to clear, but that whole riding-off-into-the-sunset thing will have to wait. The Universe introduces us at a distance in order to allow enough time to learn each other COMPLETELY, inside and out.

posted August 06, 2014 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
2nd house is underestimated. in romantic synastry it can be so tactile and sensual. More in a wam, earthy, sensual, tactile way though than outright sexy (5th house) or raw passionate (8th house).

It`s the "I have to touch you all the time, cause it just feels sooo good to do so, and being close to you, such a feeling of presence."

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posted August 06, 2014 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
FOUR 12H planets? Tell me you're in counselling.

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Oddly enough, we are in counseling. Me, because I just got divorced and out of a three year relationship. He ended a three year relationship and felt ****** for a year, and so he sees a therapist; and sometimes we will go together and have a session.

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
You're speaking of Soulmate in the singular, so I'm guessing you mean something more akin to a Twin Flame? Perhaps. I've definitely noticed 2H overlays in Soulmate relationships. Twin Flames -- not so much. Likely because of the karma factor.

Please be careful with a packed 12H in composite. Especially if there are natal afflictions, or squares from NEPTUNE.

Twins can have a dense 12H when there's major karma to clear, but that whole riding-off-into-the-sunset thing will have to wait. The Universe introduces us at a distance in order to allow enough time to learn each other COMPLETELY, inside and out.

The keyword to 12H composite stellia is time. (And therapy.)

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I don't know in what context the psychic was speaking of him, whether the TF or one of many soul mates, but I do know most everything she said has come true. He entered my life when she said he would, she said he'd be a Scorpio with many Scorpio influences ("she even asked me, "How do you feel about Scorpios."), she said he had many good intentions for me, but that if we were to work out I had a lot of issues and baggage to clear. She was right on about my job, money, my divorce, where he lived... So many things.

She is also an astrologer intuitive/clairvoyant, if that makes a difference. She knew my sun sign without asking, and even told me why I was so hurt by my divorce--("You believe in loving one person--you're loyal and a monogamist...you have a fixed moon in Leo)... It was crazy!

I don't know if we are twin flames. I definitely feel we have karma. We are long distance. It is hard. It hurts. Sometimes I feel torn apart being away from him. Sometimes I feel torn apart being with him. It feels light. It feels heavy. I feel elated. I feel like crying. I can't stop touching him. When he touches me, I swell up and it's painful because I know how wonderful that feeling is, but also that I won't be feeling it for some time after, too. :-(

We have taught each other so much so far. He has really made me work on things I've known for a long while I need to change/work on, and vice versa. All of my insecurities and things I haven't told anyone have been out in the light with him. He deals with my tantrums, and insecurities, and all my baggage in a very mature way 95% of the time. When he has fallouts, I maintain my own composure. I feel I've grown 25 years in the 26th year of my life with him.

We want to be together, but it's funny... When I travel to see him, THINGS ALWAYS GO WRONG. Something at work and I can't get time off, my flights get cancelled, car troubles, hotel troubles--it goes both ways. It's like a wrench in the wheel of our plans to see each other. Our love is easy, the relationship so very hard.

Maybe you wouldn't mind looking at our birth times, Indigo? If not, I totally understand; and thank you for your insight, you are always so enlightening and do so much for LL.

I'm: 2/28/1988
8:35pm
Las Vegas, NV

He is: 11/05/1978
2:58pm
San Antonio, TX

posted August 06, 2014 06:57 PM            

There's something in synastry that throws off timing. I'll look at that, too, because, man -- have I had that myself. I think it's to test us. It'll make us give up -- or work harder. When we find ourselves working harder -- that speaks volumes, doesn't it?

posted August 07, 2014 12:12 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Thank you for being so unabashedly honest, attentive, and receptive. I can get a LOT from that alone. I'll jot down your data so that I can run it in a little while here. The immediate feeling that I get is a sense that you two could work towards a marriage -- but it's going to be a very bumpy road getting there, and NO shortcuts will be allowed. So far, everything that you're going through sounds about right. It does. I feel that you're doing exactly what you should be doing.

There's something in synastry that throws off timing. I'll look at that, too, because, man -- have I had that myself. I think it's to test us. It'll make us give up -- or work harder. When we find ourselves working harder -- that speaks volumes, doesn't it?

Hang in there.

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