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WhyMe
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posted August 04, 2014 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to say at the very outset that I am a newbie to astrology. I have the charts of two people before me who seem to have every soul mate connection that I am aware of.

1. His Sun tightly conjunct her NN (1 degree orb)
2. His NN conjunct her Venus (6 degree orb)
3. His Mars opposite her Moon (EXACT)
4. His Juno conjunct her Juno (EXACT)
5. His Sun square her Saturn (5 degree orb)
6. His Jupiter conjunct her Ascendant (EXACT)
7. His Ascendant square her Ascendant (3 degree orb)
8. His Mars conjunct her Pluto (EXACT)
9. His Eros conjunct her Psyche (EXACT)
10. His Psyche trine her Eros (EXACT)
11. His Saturn semi-sextile her Moon (3 degree orb)
12. His Venus square her Venus (2 degree orb)
13. His Mercury square her Venus (EXACT)
14. His Sun sextile her Moon (2 degree orb)
15. His Sun sextile her Mercury (1 degree orb)
16. His Sun sextile her Sun (4 degree orb)
17. His anti-vertex conjunct her Mars (4 degree orb)
18. His Moon loosely conjunct her Vertex (9 degree orb)
19. His Sappho square her Klotho (EXACT)
20. His Amor and Psyche conjunct her Moon (EXACT)
21. His Chiron square her Mars (2 degrees)
22. His Venus sextile her Chiron (1 degree)
23. His Uranus trine her Moon (EXACT)
24. His Ascendant conjunct her Uranus (1 degree)
25. His Neptune conjunct her Klotho (3 degrees and DW !!)
26. His Saturn sextile her Saturn (2 degree)

Neptune is his Chart ruler, so the Klotho - chart ruler DW might be significant ? The man is a Pisces Ascendant, Scorpio Moon, Aries Sun. The woman is a Gemini ascendant, Gemini Sun AND Gemini Moon.

These two have talked casually on a common forum (their parents knew each other a long time ago). They do live very far away from each other, so could that be it ?

I am just curious as to why, despite all these contacts, have they not acknowledged each other to any great degree ?

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posted August 04, 2014 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello WhyMe! Welcome to LL

Moving to Interpersonal Astrology

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posted August 04, 2014 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello WhyMe! Welcome to LL

Moving to Interpersonal Astrology


Thank you, but I have posted here before. It is however my first time learning to interpret charts that aren't mine.

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posted August 04, 2014 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pls. post a synastry chart

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posted August 04, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the synastry chart. The Gemini stellium on the outside is the woman.

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posted August 04, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you think they are soulmates? I would have never ever thought the 2 of them could have a Soul Connection, at least no affectionate/love Soul Connection?
I would rather think they upset each other now and then

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posted August 04, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Why do you think they are soulmates? I would have never ever thought the 2 of them could have a Soul Connection, at least no affectionate/love Soul Connection?
I would rather think they upset each other now and then

Because Moon opposite Mars ?

I posted what I found above in the original post. I am just curious to see how this particular synastry plays out. I am new to astrology and this is the way I can learn, so thank you if you can post a detailed analysis ?

I was wondering in particular about that tight Sun - NN and Venus - NN contacts, in addition to the exact conjunction of his Eros and her Psyche.

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posted August 04, 2014 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where did you get Victory, Necessity and Courage from? There are no such asteroids on the list.

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posted August 04, 2014 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Where did you get Victory, Necessity and Courage from? There are no such asteroids on the list.


I think they are Arabic points (on astro.com)

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posted August 04, 2014 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Where did you get Victory, Necessity and Courage from? There are no such asteroids on the list.


In the Chart drawing style there's Astrodienst with Arabic Points.

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posted August 04, 2014 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, thanks for illuminating me. Now what do I do with them?

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posted August 04, 2014 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Oh, thanks for illuminating me. Now what do I do with them?


I'm trying to figure out what Part of Eros means .
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206218.html

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posted August 04, 2014 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
I'm trying to figure out what Part of Eros means .
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206218.html


Was it a mistake posting Arabic parts ?

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posted August 04, 2014 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here, Cappy:


Signification and Philosophy of the Lots / Arabic Parts

© 1999 - 2002 Curtis Manwaring
Philosophy and Definition:

Greek lots (also known as arabic parts) are sensitive points in a birth chart based upon the positions of the planets at birth, and the ascendant (with a few exceptions). The theory is that the planets in the heavens signify the more general circumstances that exist in the world at any given moment in time. What makes these planetary relationships unique to the individual is the way the individual exists in them, in relation to their ascending degree and sign. In essence, the lots are a tool that help the cosmic soul see how a relationship formed in the heavens applys to an individual through the use of analogy. [1] For example, the cosmic soul says, for instance (lot of father), I know what the relationship of fatherhood is in the heavens; it is like the relationship between Saturn and the Sun. The distance between them is the implied relationship. So if the native is like the Sun, place the Sun on the ascendant and the distance between the Sun/Asc to where Saturn falls out in relation to the Sun is like the relationship the native has to his father. [2] Another way of stating this is: "As Saturn is to the Sun, so too is the father to the native". The same principle extends to the other lots.

To calculate them, follow this general equation:

Lot = point A + point B - point C

where A is usually the zodiacal longitude of the ascendant (the degree of the rising sign), and B and C are the zodiacal longitudes of two of the planets depending upon which lot it is. For instance, if we want to find the daytime lot of fortune, then we find the zodiacal longitudes of the Sun, Moon and Ascendant as in this formula:

Lot = Ascendant + Moon - Sun

Suppose the ascendant is 1 degree 20 minutes Scorpio, the Moon is 9 degrees 24 minutes Gemini, and the Sun is 13 degrees 00 minutes Leo. First we measure their distances from 0 degrees Aries. The Moon in Gemini then would be 30 degrees of Aries + 30 degrees of Taurus + 9.24 degrees of Gemini = 69 degrees and 24 minutes. Do the same with the other 2 points. Then, the dirunal lot of fortune is:

Lot = 211.20 + 69.24 - 133.00
Lot = 147.44 (27 Leo 44)

If the final value is not between 0 and 360, then simply add or subrtact 360 until the value falls within range.
Fortune and Spirit as Yin and Yang:

Often, the greek lots vary their formula for day and night births by switching which planet becomes the dominant cast off point. For example, take the lot of fortune which is Asc + Moon - Sun by day and Asc + Sun - Moon by night: the interval between Sun and Moon is thought of as fortune if measured in one direction but as spirit if measured in the opposite direction, depending upon the sect of the chart. This is because the Sun is thought of as being like spirit and the Moon is thought of as being like fortune. But because sect is a physical principle, the stronger of the two lights by sect becomes the casting off point in the analogy.

The idea is that fortune casts off from the light more in sect to the light less in sect and applies that interval to the ascendant. Spirit casts off from the light less in sect to the light more in sect and applies that interval to the ascendant. What this implies is that the Moon (or fortune) needs to be in sect more than the Sun because sect is an Aristotlean physical principle. The Sun represents the spirit which is of the non-physical realm of nous.

Symbolically, the act of being born is like measuring from the Sun to the Moon; in other words, spirit impressing itself into material form. Therefore the lot of fortune represents ones physical body and the material which one is equipped with in the world such as money and possessions. But if going from the Moon to the Sun it is like matter being used for a purpose. This is called the lot of spirit and gives signs helpful in determining what one does with what one has, whether it be profession or hobby. Bringing this down to earth, these two lots are very similar to the roles that parents play, since the Sun represents the father and the Moon the mother (Genesis 37:9-10). Historically, you follow in your father's footsteps in career (Sun - spirit, action and reputation) but your mother takes care of your material needs (fortune - health and prosperity).
How the Lots are used:

To the Greeks, some of these lots became horoskopoi; that is, the first house for matters involving the issue of that lot [3]. This is similar to using derivative houses if you are familiar with the concept, but we are not sure if the Greeks intended this generally or for just certain lots that had enough potency to them. You must also keep in mind that the houses were counted according to whole signs. In other words if the lot of fortune is in Gemini, then the whole sign of Gemini plays the "role" of fortune. Therefore Cancer takes up the role of the 2nd house with respect to fortune, Leo the 3rd, etc, all the way through to the 12th house.
Lots used for ranking the nativity:

While the following four lots have their own separate uses and meanings, you should keep in mind that they were often used together to judge the rank (eminence) of the native in society. [4] This is not necessarily fame, though fame is probably more likely with very eminent charts. For example, there are people unknown within the CIA with high security clearances and great power. This is eminence. Fame involves the media and large popluations. Noel Tyl says that close contacts of personal planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars) to the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) links the individual in a special way directly to the collective unconscious making them examples for all to follow, therefore famous. [5] I agree, but also add the fixed stars of the 1st magnitude as well as possible indicators of fame, especially Aldebaran, Regulus, Spica, Antares and Fomalhaut. Why Sirius is not also included with the above by most astrologers I do not know.

It is important to note that if you are studying eminence in the birth chart, then the use of the 4 lots is far from an exhaustive study. They are a significant contributing factor, but you should start with studying the cosmic state of the light of the time and it's trigon lords and their angularity, etc... [6]

Lot of Fortune:

[Day] Fortune = Ascendant + Moon - Sun
[Night] Fortune = Ascendant + Sun - Moon.

The greek word for "fortune" is "tuche", which means "happenstance"; that what generally befalls the native. It is not just money, but describes the way in which the individual physically reacts to the surrounding environment, the condition of the body, health and vitality. According to Paulus Alexandrinus:

"And fortune signifies everything that concerns the body, and what one does through the course of life. It becomes indicative of possessions, reputation and privilege." [7]

And Valens wrote:

"... the Lot itself will possess the power of the horoskopos, that of life; the 10th zoidion [sign] from this, the power of the midheaven, that of reputation; the 7th, the power of the descendant; the 4th, of the subterraneous zoidion, and the remaining places will possess the power of the 12 regions." [8]

We see here how this lot becomes the establisher of a new house system for the subject of the body and its relationship to the environment. This is also one of the 4 lots used in establishing the rank of the nativity, in which the 10th sign from the lot of fortune is most important. If the lords of spirit, basis or exaltation are found in the 10th from themselves or especially in the 10th from fortune, while these 4 lots are for the most part pivotal (in angles), it indicates great rank and eminence. It has been my experience, that most powerful individuals that you hear about have at least 2 of these lots in angles and at least 1 of the lords culminating with respect to fortune, or if they decline cosmically (with respect to the natal angles), they make up for it by culminating with respect to the other eminence lots. It is also an indication of high rank, when the lords of these 4 lots happen to exchange places. For example, the lord of basis in the same sign as spirit, the lord of spirit in the exaltation, etc. Valens says when the lord of one of these lots is also present in the same sign with it, that it indicates rank to some degree. [9] Valens seems to imply that the greater the number of indicators present, the greater the rank.

The 11th house, known as the place of acquisition, is also important. According to Valens:

"We have also found the 11th place [sign] from Fortune to be an acquisitive place, a bestower of belongings and goods, and especially when benefics are upon it or are testifying [in aspect]." [10]

In a sense, it represents what comes toward you as a result of your actions (spirit). This sounds very much like karma. If other lots like retribution, accusation (like in George W. Bush's chart) or nemesis happen to be here and malefics (Saturn, Mars or the Sun by conjunction) witness by Ptolemaic aspect, it may be an indication of a hard fall, imprisonment, disgrace, etc... This is especially likely if Venus or Jupiter happen to be in aversion to the acquisition. Also, according to Rob Hand, the 7th from fortune has something to do with illness and physical problems. [11] My guess is that this is because it is analogous to the sunset of the body.

Lot of Spirit:

[Day] Spirit = Ascendant + Sun - Moon
[Night] Spirit = Ascendant + Moon - Sun

While the lot of fortune is based in the physical, the lot of spirit is based primarily upon the spiritual. The lot of spirit is will directed into the world. It shows your intentions, and gives signs related to career. Illness can also be indicated by the lot of spirit but it is likely to be psychosomatically based. For instance, if Saturn is with spirit, depression can be a problem. According to Paulus:

"Spirit happens to be lord of soul, temper, mindfulness, and every power; and sometimes it also cooperates in the determination concerning what one does." [12]

With regard to the lot of spirit, look to see if it is in the 10th sign from the lot of fortune or in the sign of the lot of exaltation; especially if well dignified, this shows honor in ones profession and above average rank; if in the other angles then honor to some degree but if in declines (cadent) with most indications ill fortified, then judge dishonor or after a time of honor a time of humiliation and fall from grace occurs. [13] The post ascensions moderate the outcome. If any of the other lots fall with this one, it shows the quality of their reputation. For example, if the lot of courage, or its lord should be with spirit, then it is likely that the individual is especially brave. [14] If treachery or theft, or their lords fall with the lot of spirit, then the native may be prone to those types of actions, etc... If the lord of spirit is in aversion to the spirit, it is an indication that the native has difficulty getting things done, is weak and ineffective, and generally does not finish what they start.

Lot of Basis:

Lot = Ascendant + Fortune - Spirit
(or)
Lot = Ascendant + Spirit - Fortune

Since this lot is always measured in the shortest distance between fortune and spirit and the distance applied to the ascendant, it always falls below the horizon like a foundation. More research needs to be done here.

Lot of Exaltation:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + 19 Aries - Sun
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + 3 Taurus - Moon

This lot is based on the Sun and Moon and their exaltation degrees. It is used to indicate eminence. Valens says that if this lot does not indicate eminence (by falling mediocre or amiss with little connection to spirit or fortune) then it shows what the native is happy doing. [15] It is one of the 4 lots (fortune, spirit, basis and exaltation) used for finding the rank of the nativity.
The Seven Hermetic Lots:

Schmidt says that these lots are based upon the seven visible planets and are analogs of these planets within the mind of the cosmic soul for the individual. The first two of these have already been mentioned (the lots of Fortune/Moon and Spirit/Sun), the last five are listed below. For each of these lots, look to see if the lord of each falls in aversion or not. The quality seems to be absent in the native when the lord of these lots fall in aversion. Also the lots that fall in pivots (natally or pivots with regard to fortune) seem to be more important in the native's life and may represent qualities that are more obvious. Judging by the nature of some of these lots, aversion could be a good thing. However, if the lord of the lot is very strong then that quality is present in the individual, or the testimony that it represents will become manifest when the planet that is lord of the lot has the timelordship or when the ascension of the zoidion where the lot is present is completed (this will be explained when I deal with the time lords).

Schmidt says that he was bothered for a long time about the translation of the lot formulas in Paulus. He says that the problem was that the ascendant cancels out in the day calculation, but gets doubled in the night calculation, which seemed unsymmetrical. By comparing similar passages in Dorotheus he thinks he has come up with a solution. Since Schmidt frequently reworks these issues, I will show the original formula as reported in Paulus and then give Schmidt's recommended correction to the formula below each listing. The corrections are to be used both by day and night because the lot of Fortune and Spirit (which are present within the formula) reverse anyway according to sect.

Lot of Necessity:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Fortune - Mercury
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Mercury - Fortune
Schmidt's Correction: Lot = Ascendant + Mercury - Fortune

This lot is based upon Mercury. According to Paulus:

Necessity signifies constraints, submissions, struggles, and wars, and makes enmities, hatreds, condemnations, all the other restrictive things befalling men as a result of their birth." [16]

Lot of Eros:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Spirit
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Spirit - Venus
Schmidt's Correction: Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Spirit

This lot is based upon Venus. According to Paulus:

"Eros signifies the appetites and the voluntative desires. It becomes a contributing cause of friendship and mutual favor." [17]

Lot of Courage:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Fortune - Mars
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Mars - Fortune
Schmidt's Correction: Lot = Ascendant + Mars - Fortune

This lot is based upon Mars and so far it seems to gives signs for the natives fortitude (or lack thereof). It is based upon fortune (the physical body) and actions (Mars). Where this lot is placed by house seems to show what we have to face and what we most fear. According to Paulus:

"Courage becomes a contributing cause of boldness, treachery, might, and every villainy." [18]

Lot of Victory:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Spirit
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Spirit - Jupiter
Schmidt's Correction: Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Spirit

This lot is based upon Jupiter. According to Paulus:

"Victory becomes a contributing cause of trust, good expectation, contest, and every association; but sometimes it contributes to penalties and rewards." [19]

Lot of Nemesis:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Fortune - Saturn
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Fortune
Schmidt's Correction: Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Fortune

This lot is based upon Saturn. It seems to indicate what is most likely to bring the native down. Nixon had nemesis in Gemini near the midheaven. He was brought down by the news media and too much negative public exposure (midheaven). According to Paulus:

"Nemesis becomes a contributing cause of subterranean fates and of everything which is ice-cold, of demonstration, impotence, exile, destruction, grief, and quality of death." [20]

The sign where nemesis falls seems to indicate what leads to the natives undoing. If it is Aries: it is the sword, or impatience; Taurus: the love of money; Gemini: slander, the media, a duplicitous lifestyle; Cancer: insecurity or attachment, large crowds, getting lost; Leo: pride and arrogance, excessive visibility, water; Virgo: lack of faith, jumping to conclusions; Libra: plasticity, divorce, separation, the pen; Scorpio: murder, plots, jeolousy, scheming, lack of trust; Sagittarius: intemperance, intolerance, entrapment; Capricorn: carelessness, neglect; Aquarius: large gatherings, loneliness, political incorrectness; Pisces: indiscretion, being gullible.
Lots related to family:

Valens had a technique for judging the predeceasing of the parents using the next two lots. [21] In addition to looking at the Sun (father) and Venus (mother) by day or the Moon (mother) and Saturn (father) by night, he used the lots of the father and mother to judge who would die first. In modern times this might just seem like morbid curiosity, but in ancient times it appeared to be more of a necessity. It was far worse if the father died before the mother because in many ancient civilizations women could not own property. The technique was basically to see which of the two lots was stronger by dignity (lord of the lot essentially dignified or not), house placement (whether pivotal, post-ascensional, or declining), sect (if the lord was in sect or not), orientality or occidentality or under the beams.

Lot of the Father:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Sun
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Sun - Saturn

If Saturn is within 17 degrees of the Sun use this formula according to the Greek sources:

[Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Mars

When Saturn is within 17 degrees of the Sun, Arabic sources used a different formula.

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Sun
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Sun - Jupiter

If the lord of the lot of the father is dignified and is pivotal (angular) the father is strong and fortunate and may be eminent. If in decline and debilitated, judge the opposite. Post-ascensional signs (succeedent) tend to moderate their fortune.

Lot of the Mother:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Moon - Venus
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Moon

Do the same as with the lot of the father.

Lot of Siblings:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Saturn
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Jupiter

More research needs to be done here.

Lot of Children:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Jupiter
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Saturn

Valens gives two other lots that pertain to children, a lot of sons, and a lot of daughters: [22]

Lot of Sons: [Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Mercury - Jupiter
Lot of Daughters: [Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Jupiter

According to Valens:

"When, then, they are afflicted by Kronos [Saturn] and Ares [Mars], they are the causes of childlessness or the destruction of children, but when they are assisted by Zeus [Jupiter], they are the causes of fruitfulness." [23]

Lots of Marriage:

Lot of Marriage, Men [Paulus - Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Saturn
Lot of Marriage, Women [Paulus - Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Venus
Lot of Marriage, Men [Valens - Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Sun
Lot of Marriage, Women [Valens - Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Mars - Moon
Lot of Marriage, General [Day] Lot = Ascendant + Venus - Jupiter
Lot of Marriage, General [Night] Lot = Ascendant + Jupiter - Venus

The lots from Paulus, have to do with whether the marriage is legal and whether it lasts. [24] The lots of Valens are not directly connected to marriage, but to sexual relationships. [25] The last two seem to show happiness in marriage. I will be adding to this section when the research becomes more clear.
Lots that say alot about the times of the classical Hellenistic period:

Lot of Debt:

[Day or Night] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Mercury

Valens says that if Saturn is square or opposite to this lot that it makes the natives debt ridden. [26] If benefics also aspect, it is my guess that the load is lightened. More on this later.

Lot of Theft:

[Day] Lot = Saturn + Mars - Mercury
[Night] Lot = Saturn + Mercury - Mars

Dave Stricker has suggested that when this lot falls in the 11th sign from fortune it is an indication that the native makes a living through theft, or embezzlement. [27] More on this in the article: Yahoo! Hack Attack and the Greek Lot of Theft.

Lot of Treachery:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Mars - Sun
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Sun - Mars

Dave Stricker has suggested that when this lot falls in the 11th sign from fortune it is an indication that the native makes a living through deceit. [28] He has compared the charts of Bill Gates and Michael Milken, where the lot of theft was active in Milkens case but the lot of treachery was in Bill Gates case. I will be adding to this section as time permits.

Lot of Being Away From Home:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Mars - Saturn
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Mars

As in being forced to take a hike. Like exile, as Naplolean was at Waterloo. I will have more on this later.

Lot of Accusation:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Mars - Saturn
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Saturn - Mars

According to Valens this lot indicates the house [sign] through which the native is likely to experience failure, dangers, or downfalls. [29] This lot is also known as the lot of injury and sometimes the lot of being away from home.

Lot of the Destroyer:

[Day] Lot = Ascendant + Moon - Lord of Asc.
[Night] Lot = Ascendant + Lord of Asc - Moon

This is a point that relates to death. More research needs to be done here.
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-files/arabic-parts.html

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posted August 04, 2014 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by WhyMe:
Because Moon opposite Mars ?

I posted what I found above in the original post. I am just curious to see how this particular synastry plays out. I am new to astrology and this is the way I can learn, so thank you if you can post a detailed analysis ?

I was wondering in particular about that tight Sun - NN and Venus - NN contacts, in addition to the exact conjunction of his Eros and her Psyche.


Moon opposite mars is no indicator for a soulmate-Connection. It's an aspect for friction.

Yeah, luminaries and venus with nn could be indicators but I tend to think the 2 of them were brother and sister or classmates in a past life rather than Lovers.

We have many soulmates, I think. We could "know" each other since we were neighbours in a past life.

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Originally posted by WhyMe:
Was it a mistake posting Arabic parts ?


Hi WhyMe, no, no mistake in trying to learn astrology, but few here interpret Arabic Points. I don't know anything about these Parts .

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posted August 04, 2014 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
Moon opposite mars is no indicator for a soulmate-Connection. It's an aspect for friction.

Yeah, luminaries and venus with nn could be indicators but I tend to think the 2 of them were brother and sister or classmates in a past life rather than Lovers.

We have many soulmates, I think. We could "know" each other since we were neighbours in a past life.


Yeah, I know that Moon - Mars oppositions can bring attraction and friction. I wasn't attempting to pass it off as a "soul mate" connection.

Furthermore, I am now really confused. I thought that the South Node contacts were indicators of a past life connection, not NN. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could tell me *why* you think that these are not soul mate connections ? An indepth analysis is what I am seeking as I am trying to learn.

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posted August 04, 2014 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah, you are right with the south node thing but sometimes (rarely) contacts to the North Node could provide a push caused in a past life.

I will get back to you tomorrow. I am too tired for any deeper reading...late in Europe

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posted August 04, 2014 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
yeah, you are right with the south node thing but sometimes (rarely) contacts to the North Node could provide a push caused in a past life.

I will get back to you tomorrow. I am too tired for any deeper reading...late in Europe


Good night !

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posted August 04, 2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ANYONE else ?

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posted August 04, 2014 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WhyMe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"If you Love Linda and her writings, you will Love Linda-Goodman.com and the people who come here to honor her. Membership is free, and you are only a click away from Lindaland. Do your S-elf a favor, and join us now. All of your fellow Knowflakes are waiting to get to k-NOW you. It's warm and cozy inside, like mewling kittens, and you just might chance upon the unmistakable k-NOWing Spiritual presence of Linda her S-elf"

Well, given how people tend to ignore my posts, I don't see how this would apply to me. Except for Wild Horses, no one really bothered to respond to my last thread.

Anyway, looks like only old, established members get help / feedback here and talk amongst themselves, while studiously ignoring newbies. I am so sorry for having dared to venture into your private domain. I shall now exit - or maybe the mods will ban me for speaking my mind and my bitterness at how this site seems to operate.

Thank you, again, WIld Horses, for your detailed analysis on my last thread pertaining to my own situation. Thanks to everyone else for nothing. My void of course Moon even casts its effects on anonymous message boards.

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posted August 04, 2014 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't honestly say I'm seeing 'every soul connexion' I'M aware of. Maybe a few.

MARS conjunct PLUTO exact is not a soul connexion -- is it? Granted, it may be karmic.

Lee's got a theory that KLOTHO is most active at the beginning of a relationship. I haven't tested it yet, but it seems logical to me.

EROS conjunct PSYCHE is a soulmate pairing, but of the list, that's what stands out for me.

Where's KARMA and DESTINN?
Are there ISIS aspecting OSIRIS? Or making composite links?
SIVA and PARVATI?
KAALI and RUDRA?
PYRAMUS and THISBE?
PERSEPHONE/PROSERPINA and PLUTO?

I'd be interested to see if there's anything there.

MARS conjunct PLUTO, by the way, is a 'handle with extreme care' aspect. Both need emotional maturity and honesty in order to weather its storms.

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posted August 04, 2014 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NNODE conjunct VENUS is a pretty strong indicator of the likelihood of a romantic relationship or connexion of some kind, though. In my experience.

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posted August 05, 2014 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Enneline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Chart is gone

When re-reading the thread i discovered that there was a misunderstanding

I did not say that they are likely no close/loving soulmates because of the nn-contacts but because of the missing sn conjunctions.

IMO the following aspects could be indicators for soulmates:

- sun/moon conj or oppos
- def. conjunctions to the sn
- angles conjunctions
- luminaries conjunct the angles

but I am no expert in that area esp. when it comes to asteroids or calculated points. Maybe someone else could help you on that matter

As far as I remember the synastry showed a lot of friction, almost too much friction to even start any kind of close relationship

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